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click right to enlarge in new tab Seems like a Sir Gilbert Eliott was involve in the Duke of Argyll’s rescue. Sir Gilbert line also Baronet of Nova Scotia. Gib of the Golden Garters because of the sizable dowry he got from marring into the Scotts of Harden line where Walter Scott is a descendant of Muckel Mouth Meg. Time Team History Hunters | Episode 5 | Scottish Border and Related Ballads https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYtXIp_K3bQ The chief and my family got split at the time of Border Pacification. Her line became aristocratic by marrying into the Scotts of Harden. My line was banished from both kingdoms, moved to Tullykelter, Ulster, Ireland. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullykelter_Castle Not aristocratic a bunch of thieves as far as the Redheugh-Stobs family is concerned. Figure I am about the seventeenth cousin twice removed from the chief. Likely she thinks I a wanted ‘vagabound’ from the western US. People likely joined Gilknokie and were hung. Giilbert of Stobs, and William of Gorrenberry were in on the Rescue of Kinmont Willie Armstrong, in 1696, but her line is related to the Muckel Month Meg, Harden Scott line of Walter Scott. Guess since the Duke of Buccleuch, and the Prince of Wales a Spencer like my grandma, when the Prince of Wales take the throne, Buccleuch will have a cousin on the throne. His grandma Queen Elizabeth II, in much better then Elizabeth I, beheading her cousin Marie Stuart, Queen of Scots, keeping Catholics off the throne. Prince of Wales is of this Stuart line, and when he takes the throne, a Stuart will be on it.
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October 2 @ 1:24pm
Email recognmendation. Book available on Ancestry; Lumber River Scots and their descendants, the McLeans, the Torreys, the Purcells, the McIntyres, the Gilchrists https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/10982/ Also FamilySearch https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/records/?navigation=&perpage=&page=1&sort=_score&search=Lumber+River+Scots+and+their+descendants&fulltext=1&bookmarks=0 Please let me know if useful. Surname ‘Elliott’, shows up.
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September 14 @ 9:07am
Have Roman Catholics of Cork in my family by surname grandma Ryan; https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/23andME-Geni-FTDNA-mtDNA-H27a-Ryan-Murph-Smith-Croak..jpg Which travels along my H27a mtDNA into Finland; https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/H27a-mtDNA-FTDNA-101829.jpg Utilizing Ancestry auto-somal mapping shows the recent DNA of the last two centuries for my mother in Europe and dad in the US. https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Ancestry-and-mtDNA-FTDNA-mapping.jpg Mom’s mom is a Ryan. https://forebears.io/surnames/ryan Mom’s dad is a Barna (Brown in Hungarian). Greek Catholic Polish west Galicia descent. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/3741221.jpg https://forebears.io/surnames/barna
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September 14 @ 12:21am
click right to of enlarged image in new tab When Elizabeth I died in 1603, the son of Catholic Marie Stuart, Queen of Scots was beheaded by Elizabeth I, so her son James taken from her by the Scottish Protestants instead of a Catholic Queen Marie Stuart a protestant son became king, and took control of the English army which geocide the Armstrong and Elliott of the Middle March, destroying there towers between the two kingdoms of England and Scotland. The Union Jack is a flag of genocide, the Stars and Stripes of the rebels Of 1776 is a flag of freedom which means free speech. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Armstrong-Border-Pacification-Genocide-BBC.mp4
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September 14 @ 12:00am
click right to open enlarged image in new tab Been kicked off wikipedia for my research on Clan Crozier and Clan Elliot, an I happen to be an Elliott with Y-DNA going to 28 MAR 1692 where Daniel Elliott who testified in defense of Elizabeth Proctor have researched lines from his first son Daniel and my line through the sixth son Jonathan. See how the stats increase when I was submitting to Clan Eliott of Wikipedia. Trying to help a lady Crozier a geologist out of Manitoba, Canada who thought Clan Crozier should have a Wikipedia Page. Took information which people put into page when I was dismissed from Wikipedia, in PDF form then included in the dot-com, which I built clancrozier.com. Just web search ‘Clan Crozier’, you should find it. The sasine/deed being censored for article; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sasine_deed_1484_for_Robert_Elwald_%28Elliot%29,_Redheugh,_Larriston,_Hartsgarth.jpg
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September 13 @ 11:36pm
For making corrections to site; by Mark Stephen Elliott son of Loren Spencer Elliott WikiTree “Your user name or IP address has been blocked by a WikiTree Leader. https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Category:Clan_Elliot Start of block: 21:01, 14 May 2018 Intended for: Elliott-11757″ Suspected violation: Intentionally adding false information Accepting my standards, are Ancestry.com, 23andMe.com, FamilyTree.com, familysearch.org, and gedmatch.com [DNA# A269034(lawismarkellot) Ancestry.com data M904357(markellott) 23andMe.com data corrective Genesis NM6772478 23andme Gedcom#4997456] Gedcom#4997456 (over 4,000 in data base). With FTDNA sites active in Germany, East Anglia, and Norfolk, assist on NC Argyll Colony.] Gedcom#4997456 (over 4,000 in Data base). With FTDNA sites active in Germany, East Anglia, and Norfolk, assist on NC Argyll Colony. Both Wikitree and Wikipedia utilize this link which is outright form of digital censorship; http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/dtog/elliot2.html http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/dtog/elliot.html where this one is not without the “2” Professional research genealogists not of Wikitree utilizing https://elwald.com/, and https://gorrenberry.com/, are readily capable to find documentation on anything I have presented on researching my Y-DNA, of Clan Elliot Both the Wikitree and Wikipedia site the manner of which they are written are indicative of being strongly influenced to the point of control by historian, not of the Elliott surname. When I wrote and was not censor for writing for Wikipedia readership on Clan Elliot Wikipedia went up over ten times. With my fathers standards which were passed on to me, I would not make this clam of anyone doing this; Suspected violation: Intentionally adding false information, yet Wikitree had made this claim about Clan Elliott, the Elliott and I myself, without using the recognizable standard, which I use extensively and that is documentation. Wikitree, or anyone claiming to be a Wikitree genealogist, or anyone referencing Wikitree, the information because of standards passes from father who was a top US Elliot genealogist, to his son which I would disagree with him he thought was a better genealogist, anyone referencing, or claiming to be a Wikitree genealogist because of the statement made about generations of Elliot research, there inform is consider irrelevant unless like I have done proper documentation is supplied to support it. A269034(lawismarkellot) Ancestry.com data M904357(markellott) 23andMe.com data corrective Genesis NM6772478 23andme Gedcom#4997456 Also on Ancestry.com, MyHeritage.com, Familytree.com with DNA, and a 4,000+tree. https://elwald.com/genealogy-by-dad-loren-s-elliott/ https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&who=Pickett-2884 https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Help:Thank-Yous
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September 13 @ 7:27pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_2016_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum#/media/File:United_Kingdom_EU_referendum_2016_area_results.svg 1650 Anglican Hamiltonian Royalists of Argyll, and Co Fermanagh seem to vote the same.
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September 13 @ 6:29pm
Feel may be a good place for the Mc-/Mac-, and Campbells to look for family; The Highlanders of Scotland, Their Origin, History, and … – Volume 1books.google.com › books William Forbes Skene · 1837 https://books.google.com/books?id=2y9UAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=%22The+Highlanders+of+Scotland%22&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi7wJi0p_3yAhVKDzQIHW7iCloQ6wF6BAgEEAE#v=onepage&q=%22The%20Highlanders%20of%20Scotland%22&f=false The Highlanders of Scotland: Their Origin, History, and … – Volume 2books.google.com › books William Forbes Skene https://books.google.com/books?id=HZ3rzqel9GEC&printsec=frontcover&dq=%22The+Highlanders+of+Scotland%22&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi7wJi0p_3yAhVKDzQIHW7iCloQ6AF6BAgGEAI#v=onepage&q=%22The%20Highlanders%20of%20Scotland%22&f=false
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August 20 @ 2:43pm
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August 20 @ 3:06pm
Interesting map #2!
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Mark Elliott
September 13 @ 5:37pm
from Woodrow Wilson’s; History of the American People; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/From-Ulster-to-US-surname-Wilson.mp4 bit more then a minute in length.
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September 11 @ 6:27pm
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Mark Elliott
September 13 @ 5:17pm
Note the Anglo-Saxon migrated via German DNA towards Argyll, which represent but a small portion of the Argyll population. The Mc-/Mac- (Irish Gaelic ‘O-‘ people likely migrate from Germany by way of France to Argyll, some outside Danish Northumbria-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northumbria#/media/File:England_878.svg
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September 13 @ 4:56pm
My input is Border biased; Steel Bonnets In Debatatable Lands with George Macdonald Fraser and Eric Robson blob:https://www.youtube.com/e328af0a-60db-4df4-8970-902479a03ee5 Need info on Argyll and North Carolina, to apply to. If I follow, and not lead, the information which comes from you, it will obtain a higher level of correction. All suggestions and info added from group has been at a higher level then I can apply from my English/Scottish border influences. Did the indigenous Americans, from the stand point of not knowing English in the past write American history? Did the Gaelic Scots, from the stand point of not knowing English in the past write English history? Need input from the Mc-/Mac- and Campbell types.
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September 13 @ 3:51pm
https://www.therjhuntercollection.com/resources/muster-rolls-c-1630/search-muster-rolls/ https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Pick,1890:Picke https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Beautiful Miners Pickaxe found in our cellar, 1840s https://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/97554-beautiful-miners-pickaxe-found-in-our-ce “This was leaning against the wall in our cellar dirt floor, house was built 1801, My wife’s family moved in after Civil war 1870s, Charles Pickett married a famous women who had a baby. He and his brother traveled in 1840 to the California gold rush, came back to Salem Ma for the war. This pickaxe is from these years, very heavy 12 lbs., and I wonder if I can find out which years actually this came from? would he bring back across the USA from Cal to Mass.” A picket, may be one which occupationally uses a pickaxe. Should be noted without use of explosives, peat would be soft enough to mine with a pick, and some softer coals; https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Heath-Malcolm/publication/333056609/figure/fig1/AS:777266523029504@1562326188158/England-peat-base-map-deep-peats-shown-in-brown-wasted-peats-in-orange.jpg
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September 13 @ 10:59am
Names may change in migration. https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Chronicles of the Armstrongs; by Armstrong, James Lewis 1902 (MD has knowledge of genetics) Page -50- “saga of the Fairy Bear is at the bottom of the early names and heraldry of the Armstrongs, as also of certain other Scottish and English Border families. Certain shields of the Elliots, called also Elwods, Elyards, and Elwalds, of the Alfords who came from near Croyland to the Border, of Loumanes, of the Liddals, of the Armstrongs, and other Border families undoubtedly pictured this tradition. Now these Liddesdale families were called after their shields, and so were the Forresters and others. The legend of the Fairy Bear is found first in the Edda, then in old Danish.” Liddesdale families were called after there shields, like Elwald/Ellot being called Elwand, a standard of not English or French measurement in the later part of the 16th century but a Scottish out of Edinburgh standard. https://archive.org/details/chroniclesofarms00arms/page/31/mode/2up?q=Croyland https://www.google.com/search?q=ftdna+fairbairn&sxsrf=AOaemvIFQaLK1QEuBRmZy9tTnJq0UHbLrw:1631558113590&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjVpqnOy_zyAhVVKn0KHXfFBP0Q_AUoAnoECAEQBA&biw=1366&bih=657
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September 13 @ 10:58am
Indicates where the Atkinson which carry my Y-DNA are.
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September 13 @ 10:56am
Though it is felt the brank between the Atkinson and Elliott Y-DNA is before Co Fermanagh, Ulster, Ireland, but in England. https://www.therjhuntercollection.com/resources/muster-rolls-c-1630/search-muster-rolls/
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September 12 @ 8:32pm
click right to enlarge image in new tab just playing around in my retirement
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September 12 @ 8:32pm
click right to enlarge image in new tab https://named.publicprofiler.org/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullykelter_Castle
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September 11 @ 8:42pm
click right to enlarge in new tab https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/ballads-of-the-Border-Reivers..mp4 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Time-Team-History-Hunters-1998-9-Episode-5-Scottish-Border-and-Related-Ballads-Liddesdale.mp4 Do not know if you are interested in border people, the above provides information. https://elwald.com/clan-elliot-29th-chief-margaret-eliott-of-redhuegh-stobs/
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September 11 @ 5:55pm
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September 7 @ 7:58am
595275 Clark Alexander Clark, b. 1650 and d. 1690 Scotland J-M172 Schreiber is clerk in German https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Schreiber https://named.publicprofiler.org/ https://forebears.io/surnames/clerk https://forebears.io/surnames/clark Could have migrated to Argyll by way of France. Scott and Montgomery surnames contain J-M172 check for match to names. Feel Argyll name have been Clerk.
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September 2 @ 2:53pm
Armstrong always find others to lead, and if they can find better yet an Elliott. People on this blog need to share info on Argyll and NC, so family links can be made. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Johnnie-Armstrong-song-Lori-Watson.jpg https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Lori-Watson-Johnnie-Armstrang.mp4 Can be detrimental for us Elliott. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Scottish-Clans-12-18-Clan-Armstrong-Johnnie-of-Gilnockie.mp4 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Time-Team-Ep5-Ballad-of-Johnie-Armstrong.mp4 Admin’s husband’s mother is an Armstrong, she dropped out. Can teach but need info from families of Argyll-NC to advance with the genealogy.
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September 2 @ 2:27pm
https://www.familysearch.org/blog/en/library-lookup-service-fhl/ Family history of Miles & Maria (Purnell) Mark : of Virginia, Maryland, Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Illinois, Iowa and other points west Statement of Responsibility: compiled by Loren S. Elliott Authors: Elliott, Loren S. (Main Author) Format: Books/Monographs Language: English Publication: [S.l. : s.n.], 1994 Physical: unpaged : geneal charts, ports. https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/2346147?availability=Mesa%20Arizona%20FamilySearch%20Library It was interesting how it was indexed. First name-forename from a surname family line of Mark. Visited dad when hill lived in Mesa. Though dad was good at duplicate bridge in 1980 listed in the top 500 hundred group, he liked to partner me in Tempe, AZ, though I quite the novice. Was with him when materials were donated. Put many online, but feel not accessible online. Raised Methodist, by mom raised Catholic. Dad was as question went, ‘any questions’, no we are Armstrong and Elliott’. First wife about four years of Winston-Salem, NC a Moravian converted Mormon met in Salt Lake City, Utah while acquiring a degree in mining engineering, second wife a Wurn then became Warren, mother a Hagan, of Johnston City, TN, for more then 34 years, no children but retired math-sci-computer instructor secondary and university. It is felt that all are prejudice when it comes to a mate, but this prejudice is need to find family history, because you know your family. Can give out info, but you get to choose what is useful to finding your finding. Can teach but can’t find your family as well as you. DNA is a tool for genealogists, and not genealogy being a tool for DNA. When you pay for the data it is your to use. Genealogy is sharing info to find family, and not of rocket scientist.
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September 1 @ 9:19am
click right to enlarge in new tab Above are applications of mtDNA, applied to genealogy. Web search ‘Brigham DNA’, where more examples of applying DNA to genealogy can be found. In genealogy one learns from sharing. Feel enough admin has been done. Those with lesser experience learn from those with more experience. Had to learn from others myself, like the founder of FTDNA Bennett Greenspan. Though I can learn from your emails, you are right about your families on your family history.
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September 1 @ 7:27am
click right to enlarge in new tab Wife has corrected me, the potter is Hopi. Retired school teacher. Ronnie’s father now lives is Scottsdale, AZ, but we were also active in a AIME (American Institute of Mining Engineers), worked for National Gypsum out of Shoals, IN. Mining went bad, had a graduate assistantship to teach math out of the mathematics department, Indiana University. Hobbies genealogy, and computers. Was of an Commodore users group at IU. Modemed into mainframe.
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September 1 @ 7:03am
https://named.publicprofiler.org/ https://electricscotland.com/contact.htm Do not know whether one can trust those Canadians, having known my father-in-law of Toronto then TN&SC , but Alastair McIntyre of electricscoland.com is familiar with the genealogical family research of 28th chief Sir Arthur Eliott of Stobs, father of 29th chief Margaret Eliott of Redheugh, and the research of Loren Spencer Elliott father of Mark Stephen Elliott, his father is Mark Elliott. https://elwald.com/brigham-this-is-the-place-genealogy-with-dna-applied/
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August 23 @ 3:14pm
click right to show enlarged image in new tab Example of the use of autosomal combined with genealogical research. It should be note that 23andMe an Ancestry autosomal is transferable to FTDNA. mtDNA examples; https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/23andME-Geni-FTDNA-mtDNA-H27a-Ryan-Murph-Smith-Croak..jpg https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/H27a-mtDNA-FTDNA-101829.jpg 23andMe and FTDNA have me as R-S16361, with extended test Yseq am R-A6719>A6722; https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3697730?dpr=2&fit=max&h=344&w=590 Do not show photo of me to 29th chief Margaret Eliott, sure it may support beliefs of me being a ‘wanted vagabond’, from the western US.
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Jimmy Miller c/o Lara
August 30 @ 9:25pm
FYI, Roberta Estes wrote an article in her blog about how to transfer autosomal DNA from other companies to FTDNA, NEED TO MENTION HERE, she said if the Ancestry DNA test was performed BEFORE May 2016 & then you transfer it to FTDNA, you will only get about the first 25% of your matches at FTDNA 🙁
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Mark Elliott
August 31 @ 1:21pm
FYI, Roberta Estes wrote an article in her blog; DNAeXplained – Genetic Genealogy Discovering Your Ancestors – One Gene at a Time https://dna-explained.com/2019/11/04/dna-file-upload-download-and-transfer-instructions-to-and-from-dna-testing-companies/
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August 31 @ 1:51pm
click right to open in new tab Should be noted found the R-S16361 is the lowest FTDNA classification given for purchase Yseq R-S16361>A6719>A6722, but 23andMe provided it R-S16361 at no extra cost.
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August 31 @ 1:27pm
Just showing likely connections as Y-DNA in 25 markers 2 off, for MacCall, and MacConnell, though in Ulster, Ireland are of Scotland, like my Elliott. Ulster Surnames by Robert Burns likely can be purchased used in paperback, and felt worth the buy if you are finding you like I have DNA Ulster relations.
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August 31 @ 1:26pm
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August 30 @ 12:10pm
click right to see enlarged image in new tab https://named.publicprofiler.org/ exampe; First Name Surname Barony/Lands Landlord/Estate County John McConnell Dungannon R. Lyndsay Tyrone …& more Gawyn Ellot Loughty Sir S. Butler Cavan … & more http://www.therjhuntercollection.com/resources/muster-rolls-c-1630/search-muster-rolls/ for Elliott use Ellot Questions? https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/greenspan/photos
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August 11 @ 12:32pm
click right to enlarge image in new tab This is just an example of the kind of things one may get into with family; The first known Quakers to arrive in Boston and challenge Puritan religious domination were Mary Fisher and Ann Austin. These two women entered Boston’s harbor on the Swallow, a ship from Barbados in July of 1656. The Puritans of Boston greeted Fisher and Austin as if they carried the plague and severely brutalized them. The two were strip searched, accused of witchcraft, jailed, deprived of food, and were forced to leave Boston on the Swallow when it next left Boston eight weeks later. Almost immediately after their arrival, Fisher and Austin’s belongings were confiscated, and the Puritan executioner burned their trunk full of Quaker pamphlets and other writings. https://nvdatabase.swarthmore.edu/content/quakers-fight-religious-freedom-puritan-massachusetts-1656-1661 There is an old proverb which assures that truth be told by laughing; La Prision d’Édimbourg (The Prision of Edinburgh) By Walter Scott “2 There is an old proverb which assures that truth be told by laughing. The existence Walter Scott third son of Sir William Scott of Harden is educated as they say by charter bearing the great seal Domino William Scott of Harden militi and Walter Scott “suo legitimo tertio genito terrarum” (world,legitimate begotten) of Roberton. (See the Baronage of Douglas page 215). The old gentleman left his four sons considerable estates and gave those of Eilrig de Raeburn to his third. He who is the ancestor of Scott Raeburn and Waverly. author 11 Appears to have converted to the Quakers or Friends’ doctrine and became a great advocate of principles. It was probably when George Fox, the apostle of the sect, made a nun in the north of Scotland about 1657 AC. It is on this occasion that he says that as soon as the horse had set foot on the land of Scotland he felt the seed of grace shining around him like countless sparks. At the same time no doubt that Sir Gideon of Highchester’s second son William and the ancestor of the friend and parent of the author the representative of the family of Harden also embraced Quakerism. Gideon the latter converted entered into controversy with the Rev. James Kirkton author of the true and secret history of Scotland, which is mentioned by my ingenious friend Charles Kirkpatrick Sharpe in this remarkable and curious edition of this work in 1817. Sir William Scott, the Brethren of the Brothers, remained in the midst of this defection an orthodox member of the church Presbyterian and us a uproot Walter de Raeburn to his heresy means that were more of persecution than persuasion. He was helped in his efforts by MacDougal of Makerston brother of Isabelle MacDougal wife of Walter and who like her husband had adopted the religion of Quakers Sir William Scott’s influence and that of Makerston were powerful enough to obtain two subsequent acts of the Privy Council of Scotland against Walter de Raeburn as heretic quakerism the co-inventor to be imprisoned first in the Edinburgh….” https://books.google.com/books?id=Q8IBc4HvDSgC&pg=PA10&dq=%22Walter+de+Raeburn%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiDguOZh9PYAhVD32MKHR69DOkQ6AEISjAE#v=onepage&q=%22Walter%20de%20Raeburn%22&f=false Gilbert Elliot of Stobs1 M, #397082, d. 24 June 1634 Last Edited=26 Jun 2013 Gilbert Elliot of Stobs was the son of Robert Elwald of the Redheugh and Jean Scot.2 He married Margaret Scott, daughter of Walter Scott of Harden and Mary Scott.1 He died on 24 June 1634.1 In 1607 he bought Stobs from the heirs of his stepfather Gavin Elliot of Stobs.1 He lived at Stobs, Scottish Borders, Scotland.2 Children of Gilbert Elliot of Stobs and Margaret Scott http://www.thepeerage.com/p39709.htm G.1.1.1.1.1.3 : Gilbert Ellot of Stobs, died the 24 January 1634, married Margaret Scott (Harden). (Notes : Gilbert of Stobs, “Gibbie wi ‘the golden garties”, bought Stobs 1607) http://home.kpn.nl/pu6qs9/ellot_clan.htm In the chief’s line it should be noted that Gilbert Ellot of Stob ‘of the golden garters’, likely because of the Dowry he recieved froma marring Margert ‘Fendy’ Scott of Harden. Though I was married of the Society of Friends, Sir William Scott being influenced by George Fox in 1657, Quaker ladies enter Massachussett from Barbados in 1657, my family were Angican, but Barbados was made up of Anglican, and some Quakers at time. Family is Anglican-Charles II Royalist, which religiously evolved to Episcopalian then Methodists, today I am of the Religious Society of Friends. Duke of Buccleuch is and Episcopalian. Though you may have a conflicting history with family that is what makes for finding family. Elliot Chief receives a tribute to her grand mothers at Greenville, SC Forty-eight Elliot Clan Society members participated in the Chief’s Dinner on Saturday evening during the Greenville Games. During dinner, Elliot Clan Society member and South Carolina reenactor, William Grissop, of Travelers Rest, South Carolina delivered a moving tribute to the Chief – honoring her Scottish Border and Southern Grandmothers. The Elliot Chief descends from a line of hereditary Chiefs back to the time of Robert the Bruce in the 1300s in Scotland. Through her Atlanta-born paternal grandmother, she also descends from many early South Carolina families who settled in that state before the American Revolutionary War. Here are the words Mr. Grissop shared with Margaret Elliott of Redheugh: Margaret Eliott is a daughter of the Scottish Borders, that fabled land that produced the men known as the Border Reivers or the Steel Bonnets. They were indeed men of steel. It need not be doubted that these men of steel sprang from, married and fathered women of steel. To even read casually of the Border history would make one wonder what sort of women were these who mothered, married and supported these men, the Steel Bonnets. These were strong women,resilient women, loving women. Were it not so,we of the Elliot Clan would not be here today. Our Chief, Margaret Elliott, is blood and sinew of these people. She is also blood and sinew of another proud line of strong women. Chief Margaret is also a Southern Girl! Her paternal grandmother was born in Georgia and other grandmothers were born in South Carolina and Tennessee. (Being a native South Carolinian with much Georgia blood flowing through my veins, I can readily state that this is about as much glory as one person can stand!) These women of the South have proven their glorious worth over the years. In two great wars,the Revolution and the War for Southern Independence, they saw their men killed and maimed, their homes burned, their property destroyed, their persons violated -yet, they persevered. They would not give up. They would not surrender. Through wars, depressions, hardscrabble existence and often unbelievable hardship, these Southern women prevailed and won the admiration of all who knew them. Soft-voiced, with a lilting drawl, sweet innocent eyes, magnolias and moonlight, these women were forged and fired in the furnace of adversity, sorrow and love. They came out with the steel in their character that their grandmothers, the Scottish Border women, evidenced so long ago. A few years ago, someone coined a phrase about a group of Southern women that so fitly rests upon the brow of them all, “Steel Magnolias.” So, we have the happy circumstance of the Chief of our Elliot Clan being a Scottish Border Lassie, a Carolina Girl and a Georgia Peach all rolled into one lovely woman. Down here in Dixie, we have a saying that very aptly applies to this situation: Hoss, it don’t get no better than that!” “After the tribute, the Chief was presented areal “Steel Magnolia” forged in Westminster, SC by the Marcegill’s, artisans at Ringing Anvil Forge. With thanks to The Signal Tower of the Elliot Clan Society, USA. For information on the Elliot Clan Society, USA, contact Patricia Tennyson Bell, 2288 Casa Grande, Pasadena, CA 91104 or email<dublincollen@sbcglobal.net>. Section B Beth’s Newfangled Family Tree August 2008 Page 3 https://docplayer.net/45727391-Flagstaff-arizona-welcomes-macbains.html My family were supported of the Hamilton Redheugh line;https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Sasine.jpg, back in the day it is felt that Robert of Redheugh and Buccleuch had as disagree, where it was noted that Redheugh likely want to kill Buccleuch. It has be said that within the Redheugh-Larriston line on was married to Jean Scott sister to Buccleuch but said to be the mother of Gibbie (biological?), feel this is where the problem may be. I am not a part of this being from the so call extinct Gorrenberry line which served for the family to obtain the lands of Redheugh-Larriston from Archibald ‘Bell the Cat’, Douglas fifth earl of Angus in the later part of the 15th century. Sometimes it is good to be extinct. At least even though 29th chief Margaret Eliott, might consider me some sort of ‘vagabond’ she is again ‘of Redheugh’. Her line became aristocratic after my Elliott line was in the American Colonies. It should be noted, that my family is of a Catholic to Anglican to Episcopalian, wife (born and raised in Johnson City, TN) and I were raised Methodist, but married in the manner of Friends; Quakers. When you do family history it is a given you as for your family today will find your family in conflict. Family fight, so those you highly agree or disagree with need more family research. To find family people need to share family stories freely among each other. A suppression of speech impedes this. People in family history give it to you as accurate as possible, and viable genealogy do not question it’s authenticity. Any history given from family from my experience anyone, age, race, intellect, sex or anything else, even if it seems very ‘odd ball’, have always from history given from the family the aged seem to have more of it going back in time to be the most accurate family history one can find.
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Harold Turner
August 21 @ 9:35am
We have a lot of those Steel Magnolias
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Harold Turner
August 24 @ 11:59am
I am related to the fishers wonder if I am related to that Mary Fisher.
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Mark Elliott
August 25 @ 7:17am
https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:fisher,1890:fischer https://named.publicprofiler.org/ https://forebears.io/ Finding the people which the Gaelic Highlanders took in were Anglo-Scots, this is why I feel the Scottish of Ulster is spoken very northern Scots-Gaelic region of northern Ireland (Presbyterian). At the time of Cromwell, Charles I was beheaded, the Gaelic Mac- likely sent along before the Quakers to work the sugar plantations of Barbados. Though people think that the history is correct, but Blacks and ‘Mac-‘, and Quakers did not particularly write, nor did the Anglo-Saxon Scot, but they made the history by pitching in. To be a slave basically means you were resettled. Kid Carson suggested similar tactics to bring in the Navajo which were raiding as Sherman used on Atlantic, Georgia. It is a Cromwellian attitude, of people likely my family being killed by Irish Gaelic in Co Armagh, north Ireland, to sell the Anglican Royalist Charles II supporters Cromwellian Civil War Scots as POWs indentured slaves to their American Colonies. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/SELLING-SCOTS-AS-SLAVES-IS-FUNNY-TO-THE-TORIES-2.mp4?_=1 Y-DNA is showing matching between blacks and white, it is not because they raped their slaves. History does not always distinguish skin color though many blacks were captains of ships on sea. It is felt that Rev Gomes given he has a Portuguese name his family were seamen. Should not say this, but researched one white inn owner to Northerns his family black operated the inn, and inherited it. Quakers were breaking North Carolina state laws by freeing the slaves, and moves on to operate the underground railroad. There are Conservative Friends Meetings in North Carolina, and Iowa, where my Mt. Ayr, IA, (a migration from NC to IA) Elliott are of, just north of a slave state of Missouri. My Elliott are border Elliott, of the Anglo-Scots language. Chieftain line used Norman names of Robert and William, but John, Jack/Jock Scottish most popular. The Y-DNA is correct but is is a terrible bias by the people thinking it was rape, which a black and white shares similar Y-DNA. Though the killings of blacks is the northern states where there seems to be problems, seem to be carried like Cromwell to an extreme, the ones who win wars seem to think by winning the war they are correct. The UK did not fight over the question of slavery and states rights, they purchased the slaves from the owners. They also in their had slaves of the Scots in the Kingdom of Scotland.
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August 23 @ 4:09pm
click right for enlarged image Ann Mallet at the time a 72 year old retired elementary school principal. In October will be 72. She brought it up and asked me if my line happen to be related to Benjamin Franklin. Did not know whether I wanted to admit it or not. Catching lightning in a jar along with his acts of rebellion makes him a questionable character, now is seems we both are of R1b-U106 Y-DNA. Write-up done by dad Loren Spencer Elliott, with the Spencer being R-L48 a subclade of Rb1-U106. One does not get to choose their ancestors, they are born with them.
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Harold Turner
August 24 @ 12:03pm
I know how it is I had to get stuck with Dolly Parton
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August 23 @ 3:46pm
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August 22 @ 9:28am
click right to show enlarged image in new tab This site is great though I am an Elliott not a McCall. For my name it could be English or Scottish, this site shows it is Scottish. https://named.publicprofiler.org/ for MacCall to McCall hotspot. http://www.therjhuntercollection.com/resources/muster-rolls-c-1630/search-muster-rolls/ Ellot Elliott on Hamilton estate of Co Fermanagh had family on Sir John Hamilton in Co Armagh, given 1630 Ulster muster. First Name Surname Barony/Lands Landlord/Estate County John McCall Fewes J. Hammelton Armagh Robert Ellot Fewes J. Hammelton Armagh John Ellot Fewes J. Hammelton Armagh http://www.therjhuntercollection.com/resources/muster-rolls-c-1630/search-muster-rolls/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullykelter_Castle
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August 9 @ 3:52pm
click right to open enlarged image in new tab Grandma Ilah Spencer Elliott, her oldest aunt Zoe Elliott Nichols, and my youngest brother James R. Elliott have red hair. There is an I-M253 Elliott-Fairbairn (Fair Bear) link; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Elliot-Fairbairn-R-M253-1024×532.jpg https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/James-M.-Irvine-Fairbairn-Elliott-I-M253-1024×630.jpg https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Elliott-Fairbairn-I-M253-Anglo-Danish-match-up.jpg
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Mark Elliott
August 22 @ 7:51am
BBC visits Donald Trump’s Mother’s home on Isle Of Lewis, Scotland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yk0OB30M1A May be of interest of this group. Note I and many others especially those into genealogy pitch in their family history are Americans first, they do not follow either party. DNA differences show differences, even a past president from his mother has the ‘Mac-‘, and red hair.
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August 20 @ 2:44pm
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Cynthia Pickett
August 20 @ 3:06pm
Interesting map # 1!
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August 20 @ 2:45pm
Maps are from A History of the American People by Woodrow Wilson. Noted when the Presbyterian the Mc- came in is between the dates of both maps. Thought they may be of help. Showing Cape Fear, NC which the Argyll Colony migrated to. Note TN of NC.
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August 9 @ 3:19pm
click right to open enlarged image in new tab Made her earrings out of high grade Morenci, AZ turquoise, the blue in them kind of matches mom’s eyes. Mother when she was alive talked highly about he blue eyes.
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August 9 @ 3:15pm
click right for enlarged image in new tab The mtDNA comes from the mother’s mother’s line like the X-DNA, mine is H27a.
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August 3 @ 1:31pm
Smith is quite common, need to look for Y-DNA matches of other surnames, then use programs such as https://forebears.io/ and https://named.publicprofiler.org/ to help determine their localities which at one time coincided. The J-M172 Smith, check for matches on Montgomery and Scott. The I-M152 for matches of Gowan/MacGowan. Gobha is Gaelic for smith.
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August 2 @ 3:01pm
You Can Do DNA – Christi Lynn Jacobsen, Dana Leeds ..https://www.rootstech.org/video/you-can-do-dna?lang=eng › video › you-can-do-dna Learn about what they can do and what they can’t do, so that you can pick the right DNA test to best help you make more and meaningful connections in your … Excepting Dana Leeds other are of the DNA Guide Team. The Leeds Method of Clustering DNA Matches – Dana Leeds https://www.danaleeds.com/the-leeds-method/ About the Your DNA guide team members — Your DNA Guide https://www.yourdnaguide.com › about Meet the Team · Diahan Southard, Founder and CEO, Genetic Genealogy Expert and Educator.. https://www.yourdnaguide.com/about It is felt that on these blogs many people may be historians, where the history does not come from historians, but from inside the family receiving the history from other family members. Historians a lot of times do not have the scientific-genealogical-knowledge to do genetic genealogy, their methods sometimes seem by calling researchers liars, which are sharing research with others, or kicking them off of blog. This is a form of silencing which is not utilized in science of genetics or searching of genealogy. Know people may like to kick in-laws, spouses, x’s or whatever out, when this is done it is no longer family history. With family history it is new knowledge and a new point of view which is needed.. In families you must have those with or without the “Y”, and getting family info from the opposite sex is the best way of approaching a new view. Dana Leeds is a nurse which developed the Clustering Method of autosomal DNA. Ask yourself who is more likely to apply genetic-genealogy properly, a nurse or a historian. The DNA Guide team are genetic genealogists basically moms of Brigham Young University, the only school I know which has a four year program in genealogy. Pretty much Mormon ladies which religiously apply genealogy, where DNA autosomally is an added tool to the genealogical researcher’s tool box. What these ladies are presenting is genealogical universality both in the research universal the various genealogical family research and both sexes. Feel autosomal is the base, and to be extended beyond by those carrying the Y-DNA down the line of their respective father’s father.
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August 1 @ 1:15pm
click right to enlarge in new tab example Y-DNA tactic and technique seems to show demand Use compact; https://screenhunter-free.en.softonic.com/windows/alternatives/free Use 32&64 bit; On computers at FHL Family History Library, Salt Lake City, Utah; https://www.irfanview.com/
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August 1 @ 1:14pm
click right to enlarge in new tab https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/ https://named.publicprofiler.org/ example Y-DNA tactic and technique seems to show demand
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August 1 @ 12:41pm
John’s father is Johnathan Jr, father is Johnathan Sr. his father is Daniel shown in Y-DNA tree. Johnathan Sr. is the sixth son show in Framingham, MA incorporated in 1700 vitals. First born after Framingham became incorporated. First son Daniel born at Otter Neck/Stone’s End, Ebenezer through Nathaniel born at Salem End a place of refugees from the Salem Witch Trials. Both Otter Neck/Stone’s End, and Salem End were incorporated into Framingham, MA in 1700. Peter last son is named after father-in-law Peter Cloyes son-in-law to Edmund Littlefield, Wells, Maine. https://maineroots.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Snap3.jpg Second wife Sarah Town Bridges Cloyes; AMERICAN PLAYHOUSE: THREE SOVEREIGNS FOR SARAH My relatives; witches, rum runners and border reivers, and who knows what else, but I’m finding it interesting.
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August 1 @ 12:32pm
click right to enlarge in new tab May give a concept of how many generations autosomal DNA may be used for. Figure the above is just about the max. Eighth cousin.
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August 1 @ 11:35am
https://books.google.com/books/about/The_History_of_Liddesdale_Eskdale_Ewesda.html?id=nFr7oQEACAAJ The Armstrong and my family were Royalist, fought on the side of the Irish against Cromwell in the the Cromwellian Civil War about 1650, on the side of the Anglican Hamilton. It should be noted that the heart below the cross of St. Andrew on the shield, symbolizes the heart of Robert the Bruce. When the monarchs of Scotland and England were related they wanted to get rid of the army strong, Armstrong. https://www.jstor.org/page-scan-delivery/get-page-scan/25612631/0 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/SELLING-SCOTS-AS-SLAVES-IS-FUNNY-TO-THE-TORIES-2.mp4?_=1 The highlanders, of Gaelic Scotland called red legs. Legs of those wearing kilts can turn red when exposed to the sun. The Scots Gaelic and Border/Ulster, were lucky to survive the Cromwellian Civil War as indentured-slaves. Evolution for the County Fermanagh Scots would be as my family was Catholic to Anglican-Episcopalian Methodist. Most the highlanders would become Catholic ‘Mac-‘ to Presbyterian ‘Loyalists’. The largest migration since the one to Canada during the Viet Nam war was previous to the American Revolution, mainly I am finding Nova Scotia. My father-in-law was from Toronto, Canada. Worked with a Campbell geologist from Nova Scotia. Chief Margaret Eliott, descendant Sir Gilbert Eliott of Stobs was Baronet of Nova Scotia. Genetics along the Tennessee-North Carolina border where mother-in-law shows a high percent of red hair people along with Nova Scotia. Likely a strong Argyll-Nova Scotia link, along with an Argyll-North Carolina link. “I don’t think red hair is dying out but I think it is becoming more rare because of globalization. Welsh(Breton) and Irish(Gealic) have probably barley mixed with each other in the last 2000-2500 years and they have the same percentage of red hair, meaning redheads reproduced at the same rate in both populations. Red hair is at 10-15% in Nova Scotia Canada and in the Appalachian region of the USA just like it is in Scotland, and they’ve been there for 200-300 years, proving redheads reproduced at the same rate in the new World as in the old World. Red hair is at a consistent 1-5% rate in west Europe, and probably has been reproducing at the same rate since the bronze age.” https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/30395-Scotland-s-Redheads John Wilkinson, Can’t tell if you have red hair, but if you do in your close family, take it you have a bit of Viking in your ancestry. That is the genetics of it.
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July 29 @ 11:37am
21 289749 McDonald Angus MacDonald b. 1847 I-M223 22 B1563 McDonald Roderick MacDonald, b.c. 1760, Mingulay, Scotland Both above are close matches and should consider Mingulay, Scotland as the place they are both from. I-M223 is Anglo in this case Scots. 106 478354 Macdonald Allan Macdonald b 1726 Kilmorich,Argyll d 1793 R-FGC52698 Allan is the Anglo-Scots form of Allan-Allen. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/R-U106-I-M223-Germanic-PoBI-1-1024×351.jpg 97256 Macdonald Angus MacDonald b.c1786 Sleat, Isle of Skye d.1859 Scotland R-FGC52691 478354 Macdonald Allan Macdonald b 1726 Kilmorich,Argyll d 1793 Scotland R-FGC52698 318645 McKinnon Neil MacKinnon Scotland R-FGC52698 https://named.publicprofiler.org/ for MacKinnon, Isle of Skye looks promising then towards Argyll, like the MacNeil to MacNeill Mine mapping distribution shows Border Pacification ca 1600; https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Border-Pacification.png The History of Liddesdale, Eskdale, Ewesdale, Wauchopedale and the Debateable Land: By Robert Bruce Armstrong, Volume 1 https://books.google.com/books/about/The_History_of_Liddesdale_Eskdale_Ewesda.html?id=nFr7oQEACAAJ Robert Bruce Armstrong’s Papers – Wire-Strung Harp For the Garlics of Ireland and the Scottish Highlands https://www.wirestrungharp.com/library/armstrong/ Someone emailed me with the name Robert Bruce MacDonald. The Argyll-Isle Skye MacDonald and Armstrong supported Robert the Bruce. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Niel-Armstrong-border-pacification.odt https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Armstrong-Border-Pacification-Genocide-BBC-1.mp4 Of County Fermanagh (formally Maguire) of Maguire and McDonald, the Armstrong ca 1650 married the Gaelic Maguire. https://archive.org/details/chroniclesofarms00arms/page/n8/mode/2up?q=Maguire The Gaelic Scottish Highlanders, and the Border Reivers in supported of Robert the Bruce are not felt to write the major of proportion of history of today’s UK. Do you think that the UK historians reference much Robert Bruce Armstrong’s history of Liddesdale, which was a reference utilized in the Chronicles of the Armstrongs edited by James Lewis Armstrong MD. Both Robert Bruce and James Lewis are not historians, nor though at the secondary level I was qualified to teach history, and math-sci computer instructor, taught in those areas. Have been excluded from blogs by historians, because excluding is not of genealogists or scientists which genetics is of. Anyone which would exclude someone, is not a genetic scientist, but likely a historian, which finds nation state history not family history.
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July 27 @ 9:28am
click right to enlarge in new tab This is for all engineers; My father Loren Spenser Elliott a graduate agricultural engineer became a ciivil Watershed Planning Engineer for the Soil Conservation Service in Des Moines, Iowa, where I became a graduate mine engineer graduate of the University of Utah, wher the Family History Library of familysearch.org is located. He also as with his mom were family genealogists. Aeronautical, like Neil Armstrong, and FTDNA co-founder Max Blankfeld, friend in Deb Misra of mining engineer, an past student his son Ronnie Misra. Then engineer which warn of ‘O’ ring temps on shuttle. https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/03/21/470870426/challenger-engineer-who-warned-of-shuttle-disaster-dies For the genetic genealogists, and the international team which did the PoBI genetic study. “The People of the British Isles (PoBI) project was initiated by Sir Walter Bodmer in 2004, in an effort to create the first ever detailed genetic map of a country. … We recruited volunteers whose four grandparents were born in rural areas of Britain, within 50 miles from one another.” https://www.peopleofthebritishisles.org/population-genetics Steve Wozniak American engineer (of Polish descent) woz.org Stephen Gary Wozniak, also known by his nickname “Woz”, is an American electronics engineer, computer programmer, philanthropist, and technology entrepreneur. (also taught) For the founder of FTDNA Bennett Greenfield, if he does not make fun of my thinning hair may yet make a genetic genealogists. When I told people that I instructed the youngest student at MIT, could sort out those which were not genetic genealogists because those are the ones which would take me as a liar.
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July 27 @ 8:41am
https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/The-MacNeil-MacNeel-Clan-Castle-Kisimul-Castlebay-Barra-Island-Scotland.mp4 Need to figure out whether they are Catholic.
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July 23 @ 1:19pm
Approximate not accurate for all situations. https://named.publicprofiler.org/
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July 25 @ 9:58am
About 1600, the Johnston, and Armstrong major surnames in Co Fermanagh. 1. Maguire, 2. Johnston, and 3. Armstrong, where Armstrong were exiled and exterminated, and likely some Johnston, and Armstrong moved in with the Gaelic speaking people. It should be noted that both Neil Armstrong, and Duke of Buccleuch consider(ed) Langholm, Scotland as their hometown. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/my_Kj9V-8MxVbzPzGJqRpaMWi7QSoNwqshCi3TPP8mvAlfa-XeIvWQ0CMlR6fvbiNpgjMLHQIlcErnef-ltxugss79rF9PwejLMYCnk0HqpZMba9Ctm7x5mEWwbT4JnETONz_3vKT8Xb9natMkFUsDvUB7U6
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July 25 @ 9:46am
https://named.publicprofiler.org/ For Americans Canada/US that were Presbyterian, in UK likely the Catholic-Gaelic-Mac your would likely be interested in. Names such as McDonald, McNeill, and Campbell will likely have a lot of merged Y-DNA. If one can find matches especial to other ‘Mc-‘, which are smaller in number and have less Y-DNA diversity this ‘hotspot’ program using the ‘Mac-‘ version of the name may help give region to search Y-DNA family.
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July 23 @ 12:48pm
https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Wilk,1890:Wilken https://www.peopleofthebritishisles.org/population-genetics John Wilkinson https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQZrorZXLAHNvx12Nu-ifQ0HZQgrlULpPK40logJDtkPMoN-8shohnkWDCwAJYgX-efjtk&usqp=CAU Indicates north Poland. https://forebears.io/surnames/margaryan The Gaelic MacNiell likely took you in in Argyll. Maybe a Wilkinson became a MacNeill in Argyll and migrated with the MacNiell to become McNiell in Co. Antrim, Down. Look for name Wilkinson in Argyll.
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July 22 @ 1:17pm
https://phylogeographer.com/scripts/heatmap.php https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Seems to put the McNeill into Co. Antrim. Stretching a bit; First Name Surname Barony/Lands Landlord/Estate County Donnell McNeill Dunluce Earl of Antrim’s British tenants Antrim Gilbert McNeill great Ardes Lord Viscount Clannaboyes Down http://www.therjhuntercollection.com/resources/muster-rolls-c-1630/search-muster-rolls/
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July 22 @ 4:25pm
There are def lots of McNeil in Antrim, but it’s unclear how many predate the Ulster plantation period. Some may be lines that pre date Dal Riada, but that seems stretch to me. My own L20 has a peculiar matching to both 2x McNeills who trace to Tiree, but also a Pedersen out of Denmark. Margaryan et al found 3x R-L20 in their Viking remains study in 2019. Due to the Argyll and Denmark matches, I’m inclined to believe my paternal line is Norse-Gael in origin. But definitive proof continues to elude for now.
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July 23 @ 12:32pm
Consider what I am trying to deal with my R-U106; https://gorrenberry.com/john-elwald-1418-rector-st-andrews-conn-mcconnell-mccall-dna-kirkinner-carnesmole/ Remember pre-surname matches; South Poland Wilk (for wolf where the wolfs are of), to Wilken; https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Wilk,1890:Wilken https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Pedersen As Wilk to Wilken/Wilkin (where Pedersen originated) to Wilkenson in Anglican England.
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July 22 @ 1:04pm
John Wilkinson June 29 @ 7:34am Is there any appreciable collection of Mc/MacNeil(l) that are R-U152? See you already have looked where I am looking. https://www.familytreedna.com/public/MacNeil?iframe=yresults From Isle of Arran-Bute, Scotland, to Co. Antrim, Ulster is a good bet for Argyll to Ulster migration of this group. Above shows a McNeil of Arran. Name may have became McNeill on Arran, then to Co. Antrim. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Isle+of+Arran/@55.5776178,-5.5187278,10z/
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July 22 @ 12:48pm
Mt. Ayr (ayr Scottish, air English), Ayr after home of Robert Burns; Auld Lang Syne (old long since), who wrote is the language of the Scots. AW great granddad Mark, granddad his wife my grandma Ilah Spencer. The older sister aunt Zoe, twin sister aunt Lois, and dad Loren Spencer Elliott, came out first stuck in cold closet, doc on farm had another as sister Lois, came out and cried, then dad in closest died. Wouldn’t you know it the one without the Y-DNA cried out first. On dad’s birth certificate he was born second. The proceeding is a example of family history, and what people for their own respective families need to do is find histories and pictures of there own families. It helps to be in contact with older members of the family for photos and history. Twins were born Mar 16, 1923. In black and white photos hair color is genetics.
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July 20 @ 12:18pm
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July 19 @ 1:45pm
Click right to enlarge in new tab. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Armstrong-Elliott-Johnston-Fermanagh-surname-distribution-map.jpg https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/ After the above, can not see why the Gaelic Argyll Scotts would Anglicize there name to Johnston. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Edward-McDonald-helped-Johnston.jpg
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July 18 @ 10:40am
Click right to enlarge in new tab. How family members are being successful at family history; 1. The family knows best. 2. Listen to others, especially of the opposite sex, to make family. 3. Do not in a family search, get rid of the in-laws, though you may want to. 4. Families fight, and likely not just one answer is correct, in the history. 5. If the family’s history is done properly one does not get to pick their ancestors. Trying to show where I am coming from. The original admin had husband’s mother who was and Armstrong, and Osborn ancestry so I became curious. Dad got me interested in genealogy, and engineering. First wife met in Salt Lake was from Winston-Salem, raised a Monrovian converted to Mormonism moved to Salt Lake, where I am a degree mining engineering, met second wife born and raise in Johnson City, TN, in Gallup, NM, where I have been in a mainly Navajo environment a math/science-computer programing FORTRAN/BASIC instructor. The Gaelic speakers of north Ireland/Highlands took in us border people most likely at the time of border pacification around 1600. Even took in some Turners. 1. The family knows best. Though at time when people thought the may be NPE they were not, or they felt part of their family migrated at time of American Revolution to areas such as Nova Scotia which were England had to tell people the were correct. 2. Listen to other; genealogy is getting info from other, and those of the opposite sex are most likely to have a different point of view, and give better info. 3. Do not get rid of in-laws; been kicked off a number of blogs, realize the data you paid for it belongs to you, and you are the one to be most likely correct about your family, so do not kick anyone out even though you may want to. 4. Families fight; if you feel like you want to fight with someone you have better check out their genealogy because they are likely family. To the Buccleuch and the family of ‘Auld Wat’, had an influence on the change in Elliot Chief from the Hamilton line which I am connected to, dad posed a concern on those people likely Loyalist as oppose to his family the Elliott which were Hamiltonian Royalist, and it looks like the ‘Sir Gilbert’, chieftain line may have came over about the same time as many Argyll Colonists to NC. Sometimes it is difficult can take it out of you but at the end of it all you say for yourself you are doing for family. https://www.rootstech.org/video/you-can-do-dna?lang=eng
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July 15 @ 11:42am
click right to enlarge in new tab linguistically the Argyll Gaelic Scots some may have stopped over in Co. Donegal, Ireland on way to NC. https://www.peopleofthebritishisles.org/population-genetics
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June 29 @ 6:54am
I don’t know how I’ve been on this platform for nearly four years and I never caught this project until now. Thanks for the add.
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August 23, 2020 @ 5:32pm
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John Wilkinson
June 29 @ 6:34am
Is there any appreciable collection of Mc/MacNeil(l) that are R-U152?
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Mark Elliott
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February 24, 2020 @ 2:43pm
https://forebears.io/surnames/mcneil https://forebears.io/surnames/mcneill Gary Campbell, matching a McNeill, may not be all that bad, it shows that you migrated from Argyll to the North Carolina Argyll Colony.
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John Wilkinson
June 29 @ 6:09am
Mark can you run this same analysis to see if any McNeill/McNeil in NC cluster that are R-U152?
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May 1 @ 4:23pm
https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Mac- (likely Catholic) upon migration becomes Mc- (likely Presbyterian).
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April 29 @ 10:02am
Richard Mcdonald Same with msyself as above #944183
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April 28 @ 8:13am
“I upgraded to BIG Y-700 my results came in today. Is there anything I need to do to update my results? Kit 945523 Thanks! ”
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Richard Mcdonald
April 28 @ 11:31am
Same with msyself as above #944183
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April 28 @ 10:35am
click right to enlarge in new tab. Mainly; I-FT269703 (been auto-updated) in grouping. I upgraded to BIG Y-700 my results came in today. Is there anything I need to do to update my results? Kit 945523 Thanks! Related sometime in people in above grouping. Seems to be quite distribution, but origins of MacNeill to McNeill northwest Scotland, some to North Ireland, others to America.
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Sheila Graves Pennell
April 10 @ 3:55pm
New member here – I’m floundering around following various branches of my family tree; one branch leads to Clan McBryde (McBride) via John McBride (d. 1785) and Mary Gilchrist McBride (d. 1792) from Kintyre, Scotland around 1763. They are buried in McEachern cemetery near Raeford in N Carolina. I’m lucky to have a few extended family members who have kept some records, however scattered. Edit: With further effort and time, I was able to locate the tree branches in question.
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Karen Tate has a question!
April 19 @ 1:42pm
“Does anyone have information on Alexander, Coll, Hector McAllister who came ”
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James Murchison
April 22 @ 9:57am
I have lots of information on Alexander McAllister. email me at trishahen@earthlink.net
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April 11 @ 7:15pm
https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Name likely MacBride, became McBride in America. Finding Catholic ‘Mac-‘, migrating as ‘Mc-‘ Church of Scotland; Presbyterians.
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Ramsey Darling
April 19 @ 6:12pm
I have a 3rd great-grandmother who was a McBride 🙂 As far as I can tell my McBrides moved from County Down to North Carolina. Then later into Indiana.
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Mark Elliott
April 20 @ 7:34am
Though my family migrated from Ulster, am finding a lot of MacBride about 1740 before American Revolution as ‘Mc–‘ Presbyterians as part of the North Carolina Argyll Colony would migrate from Argyll to NC, others from Argyll to Co Down, likely then to America. It seems like your family and mine may have migrated to Ulster then onto America.
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April 10 @ 11:09am
Seem to have closed me off from the FTDNA Yorkshire activity feed or closed the feed, but photos I uploaded are available at this link; https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/yorkshire/photos
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Joseph Cullipher
March 13 @ 11:36am
Hi group, I have just joined and am wondering if I am in the right place. My great grandfather was William A. Murray and as best I know, that name takes us back to Perth, and my descendants from this line seemed to have settled out around Nash Co. NC. The county does not match up but the time period around where the transition from Scotland to NC occurs is pretty close. Any thoughts?
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Amanda Blaker
March 10 @ 4:49pm
Hi. It appears I have 4 distant cousins in this group, but the trees are completed far enough back to determine how. I descend from MacDonald/McDonald’s who settled in Moore County, at McLendons creek. Immigrated between 1771-1774. I seem to also match distantly to many McCaskill/MacAskill’s and some MacLeods. Not sure how. Possibly through the wives of the McDonald’s that I haven’t been able to confirm. If anyone is familiar with families in the area I’d love to hear from you. Other surnames are Bane / Bain but I havent been able to confirm that they immigrated to NC.
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Mark Elliott
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March 5 @ 7:16am
https://named.publicprofiler.org/ https://forebears.io/surnames/mcleod#place-tab-2014 IN42631 McLEOD John Bain McLEOD I-M253 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-38648877 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-47400641 Likely from Lewis Island as MacLeod (Catholic) to SC as Presbyterian?
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Margaret Eisler
March 15, 2020 @ 10:25am
I have just joined this group. My great grandfather Donald McPhail was born in Scotland in 1811, lived on Mull and Ulva and then in Muckairn Parish near Oban at a croft called Kilvaree. The Duke of Argyll seems to have been the proprietor. In 1843 Donald McPhail married Ann McColl and the had about ten children, some born on Mull and others at Oban and Kilvaree. In 1885 Donald and all but three of his sons emigrated to Elgin County, Ontario, Canada where I presume there were already relatives. My brick wall has been the parents of Donald, who I believe were named Dugald McPhail and Mary Clark. Since Donald was born in Scotland I think it is safe to say that Dugald and Mary were in Scotland in 1811 and likely never left.
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Margaret Eisler
March 15, 2020 @ 10:47am
(continued) I have become aware in the last few weeks that I and the people whose kits I administer are related to many McPhails in North Carolina. While I saw no McPhails on the 1739 list, there are 3 McPhail siblings (Isabelle, Dugald and Daniel) who emigrated to Cape Fear in 1772 but I have not been able to figure out what ship. Some of my family think that this Dugald is the parent of Donald McPhail who stayed in Scotland but the dates don’t work. Using DNA and ancestry thru lines, I am finding a lot of dna matches and by comparing trees I am able to see how they fit into my tree. However I believe that there must be a common ancestor back in the early 1700’s that would explain why there are so many dna matches, between people descended from McPhails in North Carolina and Scotland. Bottom line, I want to find which Dugald McPhail was the father of great great grandfather Donald McPhail 1811-1895. Note: my first message said Donald was great grandfather, but he is actuall great great.
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CHRIS MOORE
January 7 @ 1:47pm
Hi Margret,I see you have Dugald McPhail listed in your post. He was married to my 4th G. grand aunt Isabella Murphy B. in NC. However,I don’t see a Donald as one of the children
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Mark Elliott
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May 12, 2020 @ 12:39pm
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Mark Elliott
June 16, 2020 @ 11:09pm
https://www.genealogy.com/ftm/p/h/i/Lorri-G-Saintcross-MD/index.html https://forebears.io/surnames/saintcross 37 of them. Saintcross is more the Spanish Santacruz, but as Saintcross seemly found in Maryland, and New York.
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Lorri Saintcross
September 20, 2020 @ 6:12am
Hi Mark, my husband’s family (Saintcross) origins are from Bologna Italy. And we are probably the Maryland & New York Saintcross’ that you reference (He’s from NY and we currently live in MD). 🙂 Because Saintcross is my married name, I focus on my maiden name during research, Phillips. I wasn’t sure how this project handled the female last name since it is not our “DNA” name. In my past post I just wanted to show that my DNA name was Phillips, which is a known Argyll colony name.
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Mark Elliott
September 24, 2020 @ 9:10pm
It can be your Y-DNA name if the Y-DNA came from brother, father, father’s brother, or father’s bother’s sons for instance which carry the Phillips Y-DNA which you may be able to submit if not already for testing. If available of course.
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Mark Elliott
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September 14, 2020 @ 12:33pm
https://forebears.io/surnames/tow S. Tow Scotland Marriages, 1561-1910 Name: S. Tow Event Type: Marriage Event Date: 17 Feb 1857 Event Place: Leith, Edinburghshire, Scotland, United Kingdom Event Place (Original): Leith, Midlothian, Scotland Gender: Male Spouse’s Name: Catherine Hall Spouse’s Gender: Female Name: Jemima Tow* Sex: Female Husband: James Daughter: Janet Louisa Mary Hunter Other information in the record of Janet Louisa Mary Hunter from Scotland Church Records and Kirk Session Records, 1658-1919 Name: Janet Louisa Mary Hunter Event Type: Baptism Event Date: 28 Nov 1880 Event Place: Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland, United Kingdom Event Place (Original): St. Mary’s parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland Gender: Female Father’s Name: James Mother’s Name: Jemima Tow* ‘Tow’ definitely, but ‘Dow’ is strong in region.
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February 5, 2020 @ 11:36am
Hi my name is Scarlet Hiatt. I knew my family came from Scotland but I found documentation that states John Anderson Tow came from Edinburgh Scotland and settled in Davidson NC. I have been in contact with Scotland geneology and they do not show any surname Tow during the 1700-1850. Does anyone know of a different surname that they might have had prior? I found marriage documentation that John Anderson Tow married Prissy Walser in Davidson then they later moved to VA. Eventually the spelling was changed to Towe.Any help would be appreciated.
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Mark Elliott
September 14, 2020 @ 4:59am
need to take another look
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Mark Elliott
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August 17, 2020 @ 11:30am
Trying to regroup, an basically placed from now the un-group into R-M269, the program for now has seemed to line you up. Some E-35 especially, and other I- are out of group.
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Mark Elliott
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August 17, 2020 @ 10:52am
click right to enlarge image in new tab Try to group, and this M(a)cTavish seem to be among the Campbell. It is felt that these are from the same region but to Anglicize the Scots Gaelic, most became Campbell one M(a)cTavish. Given the location of ‘hotspot’ for the MacTavish, and Isle of Islay, not known to be particularly being Campbell land. It is felt that this group is likely where they think they came from and that is Argyll. Islay north and Skye south, from the isles and along the coast.
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Mark Elliott
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August 2, 2020 @ 3:05pm
click right to enlarge in new tab mtDNA for Mark Elliott Only have one exact match. It is felt time is spent better on Y-DNA with integration of a surname census concentration and localities helps quite a bit. links; Hotspot program for UK. https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Census surname program for World; https://forebears.io/surnames/ A lot of people likely have tested with 23andME, and it gives a good autosomal distribution for your relations. Also it can produce a SNP. https://you.23andme.com/reports/paternal_haplogroup/ Mark, your paternal haplogroup is R-S16361. Paid extra to test SNP R-S16361, but 23andME had it without testing.
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Mark Elliott
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June 7, 2020 @ 3:24pm
Example of how to integrate Y-DNA, language, and place mapping to get family results; https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3606085?dpr=2&fit=max&h=305&w=590 Galicia, Ukraine, Births, Marriages, and Deaths, 1789-1905 Text-only collection; Name: Isak Grünspan Event Type: Marriage Marriage Year: 1868 Marriage City: Husiatyn Name: Uszer Grünspan Event Type: Death Death Year: 1892 Death City: Czortkow http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/pic%5CJ%5CE%5CJews_Map.jpg South to southeast of; Ternopil (Тернопіль) Ternopil Oblast, Ukraine. That FTDNA Y-DNA data is a great tool for the family history genealogist. Mom’s maiden name is Barna, and other than mom she went by Alma Barna Elliott. Stephen Barna is the father of mom’s dad Stephen Peter Barna. My name Mark Stephen Elliott, comes from both my grand parents, dad’s dad containing the Y-DNA, Mark (no middle name) Elliott. Was given a middle name from a family name line on his birth certificate but rejected it. Stephen Peter Barna, mom’s father does not have Y-DNA or mtDNA but shows of it in autosomal DNA, but his wife Josephine Ryan carries the mtDNA, and is of southern Ireland.
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April 2, 2020 @ 12:43pm
Would anyone on here know if any of the male descendants of William McRee born 1675 in County Down, Antrim, N. Ireland and arrived in Wilmington NC in the early 1730s, have take a Y-DNA test? I am genetically a descendant of the MacRaes from Kintail, Ross-shire County, Scotland as confirmed by Big Y testing. I have analyzed the autosomal DNA of my cousins and we appear to have a tremendous amount of matches to William McRee’s descendants. They originally settled in Bladen County, NC and their descendants are spread out all over the Southern states. I also believe they are closely allied with the McMillans of Bladen, Cumberland, and Robeson Counties. One of my closest Y-DNA matches whose surname is not MacRae is a McMillan but clearly a biological MacRae as myself. One of WIlliam McRee’s sons, Robert, changed his line’s surname to McCleary and they ended up settling in Adams and York Counties, Pennsylvania. I checked on the FTDNA MacRae Project and see that no McRee or McCreary men have been tested. I am fairly positive the McRees and MacRaes are one in the same people but sure would love to have Y-DNA evidence to prove it. Thanks!
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Mark Elliott
May 12, 2020 @ 11:43am
Great granddad b.1857, Galicia, Austria, Europe, Stephen Barna, son Stephen Peter Barna, my name Mark Stephen Elliott, is likely near where your Naydock line originated.
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Gerd Naydock
May 13, 2020 @ 2:24pm
Mark, thanks for the response. I am Big Y tested and my terminal haplogroup is R-BY39168 which is downstream from FGC17603 if you look on the Y-Tree. So I am biologically a Kintail MacRae along with a number of my male Stewart cousins who have also tested. I suspect a non-parental event occurred somewhere between 1550 and 1650 whereas our male progenitor had a surname change. The surname Naydock was my stepfather whose family identifies as ethnically Ukrainian and I believe you are correct about Galicia being the likely place of origin for them. My maternal side is much less complicated as I have a paper trail linking them to West Prussia (modern day Poland) for the last 400 years. I’m obsessed with solving this MacRae/Stewart mystery.
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Mark Elliott
May 15, 2020 @ 6:17pm
It has been noted that sometimes with families of means such as the Stewart, they may for a generation have only daughters, but a large inheritance. A male such as a MacRae, which has been known to marry into the Stewart family, may have married such a daughter to receive the inheritance of that family, with the understanding of adopting the Stewart surname. The MacRae were strong supporters of a Stewart (Stuart) regaining the throne. Would be looking towards the concept of a MacRae adopting the Stewart surname.
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Robert McMillan
May 16, 2020 @ 9:11am
My McMillans married and intermarried with a bunch of McRaes in North Carolina and moved into Georgia. Have several old genealogies on the early family. However I do not see you in the block tree, so I won’t be a McMillan that you match.
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Mark Elliott
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Mark Elliott
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May 12, 2020 @ 10:37am
https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3580122?dpr=2&fit=max&h=434&w=590 https://www.ancestry.com/search/?name=_Philips&event=_Dumbarton,Dunbarton,Scotla&birth=1720&birth_x=10-0-0&name_x=_1 https://maps.nls.uk/view/00000432#zoom=5&lat=4324&lon=3755&layers=BT https://maps.nls.uk/atlas/blaeu/gazetteer/browse/n-q.html https://named.publicprofiler.org/
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Mark Elliott
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May 11, 2020 @ 7:27pm
https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Presbyterians?
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Mark Elliott
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May 11, 2020 @ 6:57pm
For larger image click right then open in new tab. https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/pt/PersonMatch.aspx?tid=29411142&pid=302033625728&src=m Any of above pertain? McRee, likely an American spelling from McRae.
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April 4, 2020 @ 8:04am
Hello! Because my mtdna is listed under my married name in this group, I was curious to see if there were any other Phillips’ in this group? My maiden name is Phillips but I don’t see the surname listed. I have deep family roots in Robeson County, and my ancestor James Phillips is listed on the Argyll Letter. Just curious, I have many other family names that are listed in this surname roster, but I like to focus on my maiden name when doing research.
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Harold Turner
April 4, 2020 @ 11:34am
I am branch kin to a Phillips family twice that moved to Spartanburg County, SC in the 1760’s
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Lorri Saintcross
April 10, 2020 @ 7:05am
Could be an offshoot for sure, the Phillips are all over the Carolinas. My direct Phillips family stayed in Bladen/Robeson counties until my Grandfather, who was the last to be born there. Thanks for responding. 🙂
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Mark Elliott
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April 1, 2020 @ 4:28pm
Hope people understand that there has been historical suppression of the Gaelic Argyle peoples, and the people of North Carolina after the War Between the States, for me to get it correct, expect agreement not disagreement.
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Mark Elliott
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March 18, 2020 @ 5:26pm
https://forebears.io/surnames?q=McPhail https://named.publicprofiler.org/ The research is far superior then mine. May consider migration likely to be MacPhail (Catholic) to McPhail (at 1st NC Presbyterian). Information given corresponds as best I can do so far with distribution patterns. Hopefully people in group will have some name linking to what you have presented.
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Gary Childress
March 19, 2020 @ 10:01pm
I have been deep diving into McPhail…..Later changed to McPhaul more so regarding the Tory, John McPhaul and who his father was.
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Mark Elliott
March 21, 2020 @ 4:56pm
Sedgwick County Kansas. https://forebears.io/x/surnames/mcpahaul Did you mean: McPhaul Your search – McPahaul – did not match any book results. Search Results Sam Mcphaul’s Phone Number, Email, Address, Public …www.spokeo.com › People › Last Name (M) Also known asSam Mcphaul, Pat A Phillips Mcphaul, Pat A Mcpahaul, Patricia A P Mcphaul, Pat A Phillips, Patricia A Chg, Patricia Mcphual. Includes Address(6) Phone(6) Email(5). See Results · Sammie Mcphual. Resides in Wichita, KS. Ancestry; RecordsCategories Newspapers.com Obituary Index, 1800s-current DEATH, BURIAL, CEMETERY & OBITUARIES Record information. Name A.J. Wilson McPahul Newspapers.com Obituary Index, 1800s-current DEATH, BURIAL, CEMETERY & OBITUARIES Record information. Name Willard W. McPahul New Mexico, World War II Records, 1941-1945 DRAFT, ENLISTMENT AND SERVICE View Image Record information. Name E E McPahul Birth 13 Jul 1910 Military Albuquerque, Catron, New Mexico, USA U.S. World War II Navy Muster Rolls, 1938-1949 DRAFT, ENLISTMENT AND SERVICE View Image Record information. Name Rex Edwin McPahul Military 1 Apr 1946 U.S. World War II Navy Muster Rolls, 1938-1949 DRAFT, ENLISTMENT AND SERVICE View Image Record information. Name Cecil B McPahul Military 29 Apr 1943 U.S. World War II Navy Muster Rolls, 1938-1949 DRAFT, ENLISTMENT AND SERVICE View Image Record information. Name Rex Edwin McPahul Military 1 Apr 1946 North Carolina, Marriage Records, 1741-2011 MARRIAGE & DIVORCE View Image Record information. Name Katie McPahul Spouse R E Byrns Birth abt 1881 Marriage 15 Feb 1899 Robeson, North Carolina, USA North Carolina, Marriage Records, 1741-2011 MARRIAGE & DIVORCE View Image Record information. Name Katie McPahul Spouse Byrns Birth abt 1881 Marriage 15 Feb 1899 Robeson, North Carolina, USA North Carolina, Marriage Index, 1741-2004 MARRIAGE & DIVORCE View Image Record information. Name Raleigh Mcpahul Spouse Odessa Mccallum Birth abt 1894 Marriage 23 Jul 1916 Lumber Bridge, Robeson, North Carolina North Carolina, Birth Indexes, 1800-2000 BIRTH, BAPTISM & CHRISTENING View Image Record information. Name Mary Ella McPhaul Mother Fannie Ann Farmer Father Jerry McPahul Birth 23 May 1933 Scotland, North Carolina U.S. Public Records Index, 1950-1993, Volume 1 CITY & AREA DIRECTORIES Record information. Name Arthur W McPahul Sr Residence 1993 Muncie, IN U.S. Public Records Index, 1950-1993, Volume 1 CITY & AREA DIRECTORIES Record information. Name Green Christine McPahul Residence 1996 Long Beach, NY U.S. Public Records Index, 1950-1993, Volume 1 CITY & AREA DIRECTORIES Record information. Name Cheryl K McPahul Residence 1989 Anderson, IN U.S. Public Records Index, 1950-1993, Volume 1 CITY & AREA DIRECTORIES Record information. Name Cassandra McPahul Residence 1992 Pleasant Grove, AL U.S. Public Records Index, 1950-1993, Volume 1 CITY & AREA DIRECTORIES Record information. Name Robert A McPahul Residence 1989 Tampa, FL U.S., Appointments of U. S. Postmasters, 1832-1971 SOCIETY & EMPLOYMENT DIRECTORIES View Image Record information. Name Neil McPahul Residence 11 Dec 1857 Whitesville, Columbus, North Carolina MacPhail form found in Argyll.
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Mark Elliott
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March 9, 2020 @ 9:27am
How family members are being successful at family history; 1. The family knows best. Those which do not realize ‘The Family Knows Best’, and circumvent the family, makes a huge amount of difficulties by causing the true genealogists to correct the information back to what the family first said. 2. Listen to others, especially of the opposite sex, to make family. Though you may not think that which is coming from the opposite sex correct, the answers to what you said is reflective one and can with little skill decipher from the language, needed family information. 3. Do not in a family search, get rid of the in-laws, though you may want to. FTDNA is not a genealogical site because they are allowing administrators to kick out the in-laws. 4. Families fight, and likely not just one answer is correct, in the history. Families in their research seem to aim their research into specific region of research, giving to each other in the same family answers seemly conflicting, but so close they both come out as being correct. 5. If the family’s history is done properly one does not get to pick their ancestors. Self explanatory.
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Mark Elliott
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March 1, 2020 @ 11:23pm
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/clanmaclean?iframe=ycolorized 142188 McLean Daniel/Donald McLean b.c. 1760, poss. Jura, Argyll Scotland I-FT56878 Likely MacLean and Catholic on the Isle of Jura, to North Carolina as McLean Presbyterian.
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Mark Elliott
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March 1, 2020 @ 10:09pm
https://named.publicprofiler.org/ note; Islay of the MacNeill.
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Mark Elliott
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March 1, 2020 @ 4:40pm
You are a 100% more likely of being correct about your family history. Things presented are to help give you another angle type of approach of finding your own family history. They are certainly not directives, but more like examples of techniques, which may help to assist in finding family.
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Mark Elliott
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February 24, 2020 @ 1:52pm
Gary Campbell, and McNeill of Thomas McNeill b. 1724 unknown d. 1781 Caswell N.C likely from the ‘hotspot’ pre name McNeill, name locality of MacNeill in migration to North Carolina becoming McNeill. https://named.publicprofiler.org/ The Campbell name is a much used name, from a people previously having Gaelic names.
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Gary Campbell has a question!
February 23, 2020 @ 2:22pm
“Hi – now that you have my family’s y-DNA uploaded, is there a way to see if we have any matches to others in the group? ”
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Patrick McLellan
February 13, 2020 @ 2:31pm
how to save money Mark!
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February 11, 2020 @ 1:27pm
For genealogy page like this autosomal DNA is the way to go. Family Finder of FTDNA autosomal is for this group the best way to go. One can go back many generations with it; https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Rowell-Wheeler-autosomal-link.jpg For genealogy, and not being someones ‘lab rat’, all needed about 37 markers and about 3 SNP https://ggi2013.blogspot.com/2017/10/james-irvine-speaker-profile.html James M. Irvine FTDNA admin of Clan Irwin. “With a combination of diligence, intuition, peer guidance, genealogical awareness and luck rather than a sophisticated knowledge of biology or mathematics I show that 37 STR markers are often quite sufficient to identify genetic families/surname branches, and one or two SNP Panel tests can be a very cost-effective follow-up to take many testees to near the forefront of this exciting application of citizen science.” James M. Irvine. https://www.rootstech.org/video/you-can-do-dna 2019, 2020 in Salt Lake City at end of month; https://www.rootstech.org/ https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/PREVIEW-Getting-Started-in-Genetic-Genealogy.mp4?_=1 Diahan Southard; exact matches are the only ones which have relevancy for today’s mtDNA. https://www.yourdnaguide.com/about Family Finder works best after creation of a GED file tree. Ancestry seems to have blogs, but not as active as FTDNA. FTDNA has a tendency of kicking out the in-laws so to speak. Each of the Autosomal have their advantages and disadvantages, as listed by Your DNA Guide Team which says; YOU CAN DO DNA. It should be noted that FTDNA accept transfers of autosomal DNA from other companies. The ones which don’t are likely tested in first then transferred to the others. (trying to invade the Scottish Highlands, with returning family of the US southeast)
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February 9, 2020 @ 1:01pm
142188 McLean Daniel/Donald McLean b.c. 1760, poss. Jura, Argyll Scotland I-FT56878 Robert Bell in Ulster Surnames, says strong relation to the Mc/Mac ‘Donald’. Forename ‘Donald’ likely related to the Donald (Mc/Mac), check Y-DNA relation. ‘Daniel’ forename for my Fermanagh line likely from McDaniel not the English Daniel.
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February 9, 2020 @ 12:20pm
https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Holz,1890:H%C3%B6lz,1890:Holzer,1890:H%C3%B6lzer https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Woodard, do you have any Y-DNA matches with surnames; Hölzer or Holz?
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February 8, 2020 @ 9:02pm
Some entertainment. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Boat-to-America-Scocha.mp4 Before the genealogy. http://www.capefearclans.com/ArgyllColonists.html
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February 6, 2020 @ 8:57pm
https://www.yourdnaguide.com/about https://www.rootstech.org/video/you-can-do-dna https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/PREVIEW-Getting-Started-in-Genetic-Genealogy.mp4 PREVIEW: Getting Started in Genetic Genealogy May 24, 2016 Please note for; Mitochondrial DNA exact matches only.
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February 5, 2020 @ 11:49pm
https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Ott https://named.publicprofiler.org/ John Henry Ott b. 15 Jun 1770, PA, d. 8 Sep 1840
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February 5, 2020 @ 11:28pm
https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3471473?dpr=2&fit=max&h=385&w=590 Would consider the name Townsley. https://forebears.io/surnames/townsley
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February 2, 2020 @ 12:49am
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January 31, 2020 @ 9:30pm
Argyll, can ignore, my family is from; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullykelter_Castle https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/ Can be a bit overwhelming. 918911 Johnston Unknown Origin E-M35 Feel that the E-M35 is from the Kirkpatrick, of the Kirkpatrick, near Johnstone, of Annandale. Also were I figure the Irwin and variants picked it up from. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Armstrong-Elliott-Johnston-Fermanagh-surname-distribution-map.jpg Note; Johnston of Ulster, mainly County Fermanagh, second in number after surname Maguire, which county used to be named from. https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3464337?dpr=2&fit=max&h=526&w=590 Felt bad since my father’s Loren Spencer Elliott’s birthday is the day before Saint Patrick Day, a very important, a lot more so important in Armerica then that Saint Andrews Day, forgeting the Kirkpatrick, and their E-M35 Y-DNA which has seemed to spread among, Ervin, Irwin, and Irvin. Do you know what a Saint Patrick uses to drive those snakes out of Ireland. He used a crozier. Symbolizing the cane a Navajo grandma ‘shima’, in dealing with young sheep could hook the neck of a lamb with. Clan Crozier, like the Armstrong, Elliott, and Nixon, are a Scottish Middle March Clan. Yes, Saint Patrick is of the Gaelic, people of Scotland and Ireland, and some of them like the US president’s mother are known to genetically have red hair. It is said those dang Vikings maybe with that I-YDNA gave it to them. https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3436456?dpr=2&fit=max&h=357&w=590 https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3458850?dpr=2&fit=max&h=389&w=590 https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3436413?dpr=2&fit=max&h=625&w=590 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lochmaben_Castle just east of Lockerbie. https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/kirkpatrick/dna-results https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/calhoun/dna-results https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/humphrey/dna-results Johns(t)on(e) also; https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/johnson/about/background https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Kirkpatrick from region also. Clan Johnston youtube film; https://youtu.be/tgfkXZnFOqA There are a lot of things around the Irving tower at Bonshaw for Irwin and all those other feuding surnames listed with them from around the world would want to
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January 30, 2020 @ 11:38pm
https://named.publicprofiler.org/ MacCorquodale north of Oban, Scotland Catholics, likely migration to North Carolina region, becoming McCorquodale, Presbyterians c.1740.
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January 28, 2020 @ 8:19pm
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January 26, 2020 @ 11:36pm
37 markers seems like the best number, and if you want to buy an SNP at $39, just ask, can give a suggestion with reason.
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January 25, 2020 @ 5:36pm
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January 25, 2020 @ 4:58pm
Though it likely did not happen in the above. but this scenario could happen. There has been migration from Ulster, of names which settle in the Ulster Plantation, since 1890, mainly into what was once West Germany. A model which may apply to someone in the group. Smith is a good example because many a Gaelic name became the name Smith. http://www.therjhuntercollection.com/resources/muster-rolls-c-1630/search-muster-rolls/ https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Smith,1996:Smith https://www.familytreedna.com/public/EnglandGBGroupseijNorman?iframe=yresults Model also can work for the ‘Hill’ Surname of the T-YDNA grouping. Though ‘Hill’ has a strong showing as a surname in Germany in 1890, unlike ‘Smith’. https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1996:Hill,1890:Hill https://named.publicprofiler.org/ ‘Hill’ and ‘Smith’ are found in the Gaelic region of Argyll, would easily be names which the Argyllians if exposed to may Anglicized to because of the simplicity of a single syllable.
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January 23, 2020 @ 6:45pm
https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3452386?dpr=2&fit=max&h=616&w=590 https://www.rootstech.org/video/you-can-do-dna https://www.yourdnaguide.com/about Want to call then the Mormon Moms, or Moms for short. If you do not know how good they are as genealogists, let along geneticists you where not raised as a Mormon male, like I, but when utilizing the Family History Library, in Salt Lake City, Utah, you do not want to be drilled by a mom, as a family genealogist. https://elwald.com/brigham-this-is-the-place-genealogy-with-dna-applied/ Note; The Mormons because of their beliefs are top rated genealogist. Both Jame M. Irvine, and I are amateurs. The guide team also got hooked on genealogy, and like them because they are independent of corporation, and put the family and it’s history ahead of the genetics, the horse comes before the buggy, genetics-DNA is an additional tool of the genealogists. If information is passed down from the family, take that as the most correct information you can get, and as your base information, then branch of it. This information can start a tree, if it is a GED file, uploaded to a DNA site which finds DNA matches, but make sure this sprig never changes and keep it also as a separate base file, and let it grow. The biggest problem I get into is some so called ‘expert’, would try to change your base file. When it comes to family, I believe the and in the family, age, sex, intelligence does not manner. If a little girl of three identifies her mom, that is her mom, no questions asked. The material I present is just to give another way of looking at things, that is why to get more of a different view on the family needed in family research, listen first to the opposite sex. Top genealogists have noted this in finding their family. Even though a family genealogist of the family is an amateur, that usually is the best genealogist for the family. The reason for the statement ‘You can do DNA’, because if you do it for your family you are most likely to get the highest results.
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January 22, 2020 @ 6:49pm
Still looking to break-up into Sub-clades unfamiliar with; 3 R1b1a1a2 R-M269,Sub-clades Any knowledge or assistance will be helpful. It was a big help last time. Will be dropping some of the smaller groupings; R-FGC and R-Z hoping can be reclassified. Trying to cut down the R-M269 grouping a bit. If anyone is in R-M269, and match family with a downstream SNP, and there is a grouping for you let me know. A sizable R-M173 Y-haplogroup R1, has been grouped.
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Harold Turner
January 23, 2020 @ 4:48pm
Wish I could afford it!
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January 23, 2020 @ 6:36pm
“With a combination of diligence, intuition, peer guidance, genealogical awareness and luck rather than a sophisticated knowledge of biology or mathematics I show that 37 STR markers are often quite sufficient to identify genetic families/surname branches, and one or two SNP Panel tests can be a very cost-effective follow-up to take many testees to near the forefront of this exciting application of citizen science.” James M. Irvine https://ggi2013.blogspot.com/2017/10/james-irvine-speaker-profile.html James M. Irvine; AGREE James and I got hooked on genealogy as a hobby. As an admin. https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/irwin/about Noted a lot of people have spent a lot of money on testing, but our total of more than a century of experience comes into agree with what James M. Irvine has stated. About 37 STR markers are needed, with about one or two SNP to be able to get the applicable results for ones own family research, beyond that it is felt you are getting into studies of others. Call it the, ‘lab rat syndrome’.
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January 22, 2020 @ 10:24pm
https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Scottish-research-mapping-to-US-reference-8.jpg https://forebears.io/surnames Gary Childress, Would go with Leeds, Yorkshire where the Childers/Childress are from. A lot of migration from Yorkshire to the Colonies. Note; ‘Kinder’ https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Kinder is German for ‘Childers’. As you know there is a lot of matching DNA on it, and Yorkshire ‘Leeds’ is of Danish Northumbria, and would carry the I-M253, Y-DNA.
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January 22, 2020 @ 8:18pm
R1 may be near the ‘green’ on map.
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January 22, 2020 @ 8:01pm
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January 8, 2020 @ 3:15pm
John McNeel, Though I have a map for myself how my Y-DNA traveled from P312, https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3256662?dpr=2&fit=max&h=488&w=590 need to map it so I can tell how others may have traveled. It seems like that R-U152 may have to travel by ship from Italy to get to Argyll. If anyone feels they belong in an R1b group, let me know because I want to put you in it. Error I can almost guaranteed have been made, and they need to be adjusted and corrected. If anyone else can think of groupings let me know. At a latter date same groups may be combined to their listed upstream category. Know 23andME lists SNP, and those which are R-M269, which do not have a down stream SNP listed, but know you belong in one of the above categories let me know, and I put you into that R1b grouping.
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January 7, 2020 @ 3:39pm
Trying to reorganize results in the best fashion for family finding. Models may be major names like MacNeill, Campbell, and MacDonald groups. By Island Islay, Jura, Skye, Barra, by SNP I and R sub groupings. Combination. The group has many variations as one can see. Feel that R-M269 is getting to large, needs to be divided some way. Could you suggest which can be incorporated.
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John McNeel
January 8, 2020 @ 6:34am
It would be helpful to sort R1b into the major groupings: L21, DF27, U106, and U152 for starts.
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January 8, 2020 @ 8:11am
Though may be considered difference, but may fit the model being considered, it seems like each island contains a SNP grouping. It is noted may be with the above sub groupings, with plans on taking on your suggestion, may be they can if we find blocks be associated with island names instead of surnames.
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January 5, 2020 @ 2:43pm
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January 4, 2020 @ 10:19pm
Dad did a lot of research trying to show what odd things passed down through our family history by his ancestors was incorrect. Do not recall him showing a thing which was passed down being incorrect. DNA does not begin to supersede what has been handed down as family history, but it can help you find what has not been handed down by your ancestors.
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January 1, 2020 @ 11:50pm
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December 30, 2019 @ 6:04pm
https://forebears.io/surnames/mcelmurray (note Mcelmurray instead of Mcelmurrey) thinly in US found in southeast. Co Tyrone, also..
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Will Turner
December 30, 2019 @ 6:26pm
Thanks , I have mention of them from Ireland before they came to SC in the 1700s.
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December 30, 2019 @ 3:56pm
Does anyone have information on Mc Elmurrey?
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December 29, 2019 @ 9:41pm
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December 27, 2019 @ 7:34pm
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/R-L165Project?iframe=ycolorized PEI, Prince Edward Island, Canada, and Moore County, North Carolina just west of Fayetteville. https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3410164?dpr=2&fit=max&h=360&w=590
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December 29, 2019 @ 2:06pm
Scottish DNA – Clans, Families, and Surnames (Alasdair Macdonald) Alasdair is volunteer administrator for the Scottish DNA and R-L165 Projects at Family Tree DNA. He is a tutor and member of the core team leading the postgraduate programme in Genealogical Studies at the University of Strathclyde, Glasgow. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwBY8sNBhhE Alasdair Macdonald, Though he speaks with an accent from the region and a lot of people are talking in the background, being from the region of people in this group, he sure knows his stuff on the MacDonald, MacNeill, and Buie, people your ancestors of the western Isles of Scotland. BBC – The Highland Clans – 2×6 – MacDonald.avi MacDonald https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIibyVhbGRA BBC- Clan Campbell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCKv-jwj1J8
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December 28, 2019 @ 7:45pm
Find it interesting tested single SNP $39 for R-S16361 by using FTDNA Y-DNA, and tested autosomal DNA for 23andME, and it was able to independently produce the R-S16361 SNP also. Unless you cluster yourself like Edward McDonald, in a large data base, of a downstream SNP Haplagroups, and have name matches, and place localities. SNP goes back too far in time to reach most genealogical research and time of surname adoption, but at some future date it is most likely they will approach genealogical research at time of surname adoption.
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December 25, 2019 @ 8:53am
Left out northern North Carolina, Tennessee, Indiana, southern Iowa, migration path. It was from South Carolina, I was given for example.
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December 25, 2019 @ 8:06am
https://forebears.io/surnames/finch https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3406944?dpr=2&fit=max&h=571&w=590 Hope everyone a Merry Christmas.
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Harold Turner
December 25, 2019 @ 8:34am
Never met a Finch, but I am branch kin to a few. Spartanburg thing. Merry Christmas
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December 25, 2019 @ 7:58am
DNA is a tool of the genealogists, and Y-DNA can be grouped in family groupings. Which the three groups are called, Red, Blue, and Green. The Green group is the wildlife named group of the ‘finch and elk (moose)’, which I am in. The Red and Blue group likely have different origins. An individual suggest another method of naming likely correct for his particular family group. It is found a ‘de Finch’, a name which could me from/owner of land called Finch. One group above could be from the other group above could be owners of an estate called Finch. Red group to people list Sartanburg, SC. Since two list it and it is near the east coast it is likely all of the red group are from there or near there. It is a location of Scot-Irish (Ulster). Most likley from Ireland including the Scots of Ulster Ireland, to the Carolina. Religious preference, at first likely Presbyterian. Blue group shows, Stamford, CT. Stamford of Stamford Bridge near York indicates Anglican. There is migration from Anglia to this region. It is felt that this group likely migrated directly from the Suffolk (southern people of Anglia) to Connecticut, and settled around Stamford. The above is showing a family processing of grouping. One can snatch any image from an FTDNA blog, by right clicking the ‘cut and past’ (seems to work better in Google) the image address; https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3403780?dpr=2&fit=max&h=455&w=590 https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3406929?dpr=2&fit=max&h=455&w=590
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December 23, 2019 @ 11:56pm
https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Clan-Johnston.mp4 https://www.google.com/maps/place/Johnstone+Castle,+Johnstone+PA5+0SP,+UK/@55.8222602,-4.5193377,15z/ https://www.google.com/maps/place/Johnstone+Parish+Church+and+Churchyard/@55.2121562,-3.4297038,15z/ https://named.publicprofiler.org/
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December 23, 2019 @ 11:38pm
Brought to my attention by Edward McDonald, shows an example of Johnston as a Gaelic-Anglicized name. Edward McDonald was able to put himself into a grouping situation R-M512, which similar matches could be obtained, with a locality the Isle of Islay.
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December 23, 2019 @ 12:01am
https://www.scottishorigenes.com/news/how-scots-irish-or-irish-scot-are-you 501172 McKay Samuel McKay b.1734 and d. 1817 Amite, MS Scotland R-M222 458097 McKay Archibald McKay d. 1829 Robeson Co., NC Scotland I-M223 And I-M223 may be interested in. Consider I-M223 & I-M253 apart of my proto-Germanic R-U106 add-mix. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/R-U106-I-M223-Germanic-PoBI-1-1024×351.jpg
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Meghan OFlaherty has a question!
December 19, 2019 @ 7:32pm
“Hi Mark: I think I am already a member of this group, but I don’t see my Kit # listed in the DNA results list. My FTdna kit # is B179704. Also, I just spoke to my male cousin who is in a direct paternal line from our earliest known ancestor in North America, Donald Daniel Campbell. He is going to take the Y-DNA test, so that will give us more info. Donald Daniel Campbell was part of the Argyll Colony, he and his wife had three children in Cumberland County between 1777 and 1783 when they were forced to flee because they were Loyalists. ”
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December 19, 2019 @ 7:34pm
Hopefully others will mention things needed to be done.
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December 19, 2019 @ 7:38pm
Is anyone else here searching for Donald Daniel Campbell b. circa 1755 in Scotland, was in Cumberland County NC 1774 (or possibly earlier) – 1783, fled 1st to Jamaica, then settled in Lot 16, Prince Edward Island, Canada in 1785. He was married to Margaret (aka Mary) Fullerton. They had 7 children: Archibald, Elizabeth, Barbara, William, Mary, Donald Daniel II, and Jane.
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December 19, 2019 @ 9:45pm
Meghan OFlaherty, Having a difficulty figuring out hour to get you into ‘DNA results’. It seems like those which are joining the group are getting into the ‘DNA results’ automatically when they join. May be you can drop and rejoin, or wait to see what happens with Donald Daniel Campbell, see if he joins whether his is put into ‘DNA results’ automatically. Would appreciate a response from a new joiner, telling me whether they were put into the ‘DNA results’ stats automatically. Groups I joined seemed to have me in the ‘ungrouped’ instantaneously.
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December 19, 2019 @ 9:18pm
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December 19, 2019 @ 8:59pm
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/MacNeil?iframe=ycolorized Mainly all from Argyll, some from Scot Gaelic, north County Antrim, Ireland just across sea from Argyll, Scotland. Most migration of group to North Carolina. Pennsylvania some, and Canada would look into Nova Scotia, and any other suggestion this group may have. Name at migration to American Colony and Antrim, MacNeill Catholic leaning to America McNeill felt to drop “l” on occasion. Nova Scotia may have a tendency to retain the Gaelic, and the Catholic along with the name MacNeill, becoming “Mc-” look for Presbyterian. Note any graphic address can be obtain by hitting on picture with click on right button then copied to where ever example; https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3399654?dpr=2&fit=max&h=330&w=590 Found one from group (417225) not in above grouping, but none seem in first 25 markers to be more than 1 off.
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December 19, 2019 @ 7:45pm
A17051 CTS9346 A22912 Web results I1-L813 Y-DNA Haplogroup – FamilyTreeDNA https://www.familytreedna.com/public/i-l813y-haplogroup?iframe=yresults 125, 589179, Dan McNeil, b 1777 Canada, Canada, I-A17051, 13, 23, 14, 10 ….. 1781 Scotland], Scotland, I-CTS9346, 13, 23, 14, 10, 14-15, 11, 14, 11, 12, 11, 28 …. 150, 672218, JohnMcNeilb1817Ballycastled1904Iowa, Scotland, I-A22912 … Welcome to the MacNeil surname Y-DNA … – FamilyTreeDNA https://www.familytreedna.com/public/MacNeil?iframe=yresults 589179, McNeal, Dan McNeil, b 1777 Canada, Canada, I-A17051, 13, 23, 14 … Arinafadmore Farm, North Knapdale, Argyll, Scotland, I-CTS9346, 13, 23, 14, 10 ….. 210364, McNeil, Archibald McNeill, Ireland, I-A22912, 13, 23, 14, 10, 14-15 …
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December 19, 2019 @ 7:35pm
This is a grouping which looks like Argyll, or across from in Ballycastle, but Scots Gaelic also. Need more information, to began to derive rough model. Migration from North Carolina to Indiana, Illinois, Iowa. Also to Canada as Tories. Like I said to early to formulate model. https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3399564?dpr=2&fit=max&h=64&w=590
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December 11, 2019 @ 8:43am
Felt that I should show how I was able to utilize my mtDNA in my own research, which I would consider unique for most. Would take a lot of space on blog so provided link. It should be noted for mtDNA, on an exact match, it is at 50% for 5 generations, and 95% at 22 generations. For genealogy the autosomal DNA seems to be the best though it says it does not reach far back in time like Y-DNA and mtDNA, seems like I was able to get it back nine generations; https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Rowell-Wheeler-autosomal-link.jpg which should be more than ample for most genealogical research, the competition is high and the costs are lower, firms such as ancestry and MyHeritage, also lean strong on the genealogy, and have research documenting for a cost through their sites. Y-DNA is great when integrated with place name locality mapping which can find correlations with surname census concentration ‘hotspots’. It seems like FTDNA does not promote these integrating tactics. They also in the TIP calculation utilize four significant places, when at the most may two significant numbers may be obtained from the years per generation. FTDNA only utilizes one significant number at 30 years per generation in TIP calculation, without making it publicly readily available that the zero in the units place is significant. FTDNA does not utlilize proper standard of mathematics and applied measurement in TIP calculation. So far it seems that Y-DNA with matching surnames, at about 37 markers, is a good way to see relationships, but with census surname distribution correlation with identifiable place name analogies FTDNA could do much better. https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/4-Types-DNA-diagram.jpg https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3169328?dpr=2&fit=max&h=242&w=590 https://www.rootstech.org/video/you-can-do-dna https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Y-DNA-autosomal-mtDNA-300×242.jpg https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/23andME-Geni-FTDNA-mtDNA-H27a-Ryan-Murph-Smith-Croak..jpg https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Nicolaus-Copernicus-Polish-Academy-of-Arts-and-Sciences-pages-33-and-116.jpg https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/FTDNA-101829-autosomal-Y-DNA-mtDNA.png http://www.cyfronet.krakow.pl/~n1kokows/M.Kokowski-ed.-The-Nicolaus-Copernicus-grave-mystery-2015.pdf DNAeXplained – Genetic Genealogy Discovering Your Ancestors – One Gene at a Time https://dna-explained.com/2012/07/15/the-crs-and-the-rsrs/ “Mutation 16519C is present in just about everyone. In fact, in more than half of the people. So what this really means is that it’s not really a mutation in the people who carry 16519C, it really was a mutation in the anonymous person who is the Cambridge Reference Sequence. But since they did not carry 16519C, it’s reported as a mutation in the rest of us. However, it’s really the “normal” state of the DNA, or what we call the ancestral state. And it’s relatively useless when comparing your results to others because nearly everyone has it.” (Roberta J. Estes technical responder) It should be noted that the ‘family knows best’, and anyone kicking an individual out of that FTDNA blog, the blog is no longer valid for genealogical research, because even though you may want to kick the in-laws and Xs out it distorts the family tree, where improper genealogy and data results are found. Now you know what kind of problems I am into. Product of both my parents. Dad, had intellect because he listened to and believed in people, a rural sort of knowledge. Mom, had self possessed city townhouse, Troy, NY where Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute is, A New York intellect which if internalized can be destructive in a manner in creating ones one world, but we are a combination of both our mom and dad, and that brings on the autosomal DNA. Felt that one should have their own independent genealogical software, to create a GED file, from family information they can trust, then keep that basis of ones own family as a base program, and seed into the matching trees and DNA of other families. This way one can see where corrections need to be made beyond your own family, as you expand on knowledge of the family which you are from.
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December 10, 2019 @ 9:24am
Would suggest you utilize ancestry for your autosomal, if you are doing genealogical DNA, larger data base, genealogy is their base interest, and you can transfer it to FTDNA. The Mormons run it and they are excellent genealogists. Have a Family History Library FHL in Salt Lake City, Utah which I utilized, and available when working there and attending the U of UT. Dad used there stacks in the church’s office building before the built the library. There are Family History Centers FHC world wide and online https://www.familysearch.org/. Offering their church to ancestors, extending there family with in their religion, it is family which should be the reason to be interested in family history. Feel many Mormons are loosing interest in something which is apart of their church when others are getting interested in it because of the DNA being introduced. It goes for Mormons or anyone of any religion you have to be in charge of your own analysis of your on DNA becuase; YOU Can Do DNA; https://www.rootstech.org/video/you-can-do-dna these ladies know; https://www.rootstech.org/video/you-can-do-dna . The men were never mothers, and it seems moms make the best genealogists, a son should always listen to one’s mom for good advice. The last vote on women’s suffrage was from a gentleman from the state of Tennessee which listened to his mother, of course the Morman ladies already had the right to vote in Utah, Idaho, Colorado, and firstly Wyoming, after a JP of a County in Wyoming where I once lived Sweetwater, name Ester H. Mooris, a mom, saw that Wyoming about a half century before it was in the US Constitution that women Right To Vote. Also in teaching equal work equal pay. Those rough and tough cowboys are no match for those rough and tough cowgirls. U of Wyo class of 72, U of Utah of 79. There are a good number of Mormons admin these blogs, and would be very difficult to chase them off. In Family History, the Mormon ladies take a key part, and it is felt that with the men in charge of these blogs, this may be creating some difficulties. Besides their first president is a Smith and that is my mtDNA. One can not get a better Anglo-Border-Reiver name then Brigham Young, and they named a school after him except for may be Armstrong and Elliott, and those Argyll Gaelic Highlanders would take in those Armstrong, Elliott, and even those Johnston, so what does it make those Argyll Highlanders out to be? Though I can show approaches to finding your family history, I can not do it. If I do I guarantee it would be incorrect. You will find your own family history more interesting than mine which I utilize in instruction (retired school teacher), because of my familiarity with it. All have prejudices because we all lived different lives, it is a collective of those lives which makes way for democracy. Brought up Methodist by a mother raised Catholic, leanings are; “Perhaps 400 practicing Conservative Friends live in Ohio, Iowa, and North Carolina, mostly in the same rural areas we have occupied for 200 years.” http://www.quaker.us/welcome.html a cultural aspect of indigenous Americans, and Conservative Friends, and written many years ago in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania in the US Constitution, that which people of this land and the old conservative Friends (Quakers) already applied and others wanted it as a right, ‘freedom of speech’.
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December 7, 2019 @ 9:26am
https://slideplayer.com/slide/13494381/ Decided needed to post. On another blog a lady brought up her DAR awards surname related ‘Carr’, Salem Trials accuser. In genealogy family, to get it correct you for a man, even if you are not married has to realize the lady is correct. Family on dad’s side goes back before Revolutionary War. https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Rowell-Wheeler-autosomal-link.jpg We were as today’s Tory’s and Loyalist would laugh at ‘transported as slaves to the colonies’; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/SELLING-SCOTS-AS-SLAVES-IS-FUNNY-TO-THE-TORIES-2.mp4?_=1 We were transported to the Colonies, fight on the side of the crown, and Charles II, Royalist Anglican family of Alexander Hamilton transported to Nevis Islands, west Indies which has a Charlestown, on it. There also is a Charleston, Massachusetts, and a Charleston, South Carolina, named for Charles II, who became the king after Cromwell. The people of Ireland, and I myself look at Cromwell as being more of a dictator, but people of the United Kingdom, a process which exile my many great which went onto Ireland, and genocide border families which many Americans are. Saint Patrick is the saint of the Scottish and Irish Gaelic speakers. The Kirkpatrick, of Scotland, where it is Scottish for ‘the church of Saint Patrick’. My relatives showed at least 80 years before the next wave of Argyll Gaelic speakers arriving in North Carolina. These people were also loyal to the crown. A lady within this group brought forth the concept that some of her relatives, moved onto the West Indies at the time of the Revolutionary War. These are your Catholic becoming Protestant Church of Scotland, Presbyterians. Mine were Anglican Episcopalian Methodist, on the side of the Irish. People have been telling me the Methodist and Presbyterian are similar, but if you want to find family they are the ones you have a tendency you fight with. The Elliott are from Mt. Ayr, Iowa (Ayr after Robert Burns homeland), just north of the Missouri, line, with many ancestors not Elliott from the southern states. Dad had difficulty with the concept of the Loyalist being driven out. It did make America separated from the United States, but beginning to think today some of the ones which were driven out may be brought back. My wife is from East Tennessee, and her dad was from Canada. So may be some of the ones which went to Canada did come back. Hope you’l understand it is difficult and many like to go the other way to try to get the genealogy correct. This one is for dad, and the ladies.
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November 29, 2019 @ 11:51am
Turners, the Gaelic Scots took you in; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Scottish-Clans-12-18-Clan-ArmstrongCoBishops-Curse.mp4 http://www.bbc.co.uk/cumbria/features/2003/07/restoration/the_curse.shtml https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/ballads-of-the-Border-Reivers..mp4
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Harold Turner
November 29, 2019 @ 5:23pm
I am related to quite a few surnames on that floor.
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Mark Elliott
November 29, 2019 @ 11:32pm
Hope the native Argyll Highlanders realize it, if one of those floor names match their Y-DNA, then someone of that name from the borders likely seeded it into that area of Argyll, and at the time of surname adoption they took that name. It is not NPE. Johnston is one of those names of County Fermanagh, found in the Argyll islands, which had Argyllian Y-DNA, obviously it was not NPE, but likely a surname seeded there which was adopted because of it’s Anglicized linguistic nature.
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Mark Elliott
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November 29, 2019 @ 11:51am
The Indigenous Gaelic speakers took The Borderers in then when the Gaelic names were Anglicized some took the names of The Borderers.
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Mark Elliott
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November 15, 2019 @ 9:10pm
R-L165 FTDNA https://www.familytreedna.com/public/R-L165Project?iframe=ycolorized Upper R-L165>BY129>BY5109>Y5135>Y5108>BY3269>A10683 Lower R-L165>BY129>BY5109>Y5135>Y5108>BY3269>A10683>A11118 Variants for McNeil are shown, though did see another spelling within this group as I recall with an ‘a’ in it. McNeel, is in the group, finding likely from Kisimul Castle, Barra, Isle of Barra, Scotland, UK, in Castle Bay. Seems to have a few more mutations, and name differentiation. Though it may have influence the mutations, there is not enough information to claim island separation as cause. As far as the genealogy is concerned it is still definitely Isle of Barra region, which it does not alter. Showing this because Y-DNA is not rocket science. One can see that both the upper and bottom grouping within the group are related. There does not seem to be that much difference in the modes of the two groups. If one was in the upper group the may besides A10683 SNP testing if that came out positive also consider testing A11118. The A11118 is so far down stream that the result whether positive or negative still says that the groups are of Barra. It seems from this example, people of these islands, ancestors as in example above, could easily lived on these islands many years. It is felt that the migration is from and not two. Which helps this group realize, if they are matching clusters of a given island they that is most likely where they are from. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Barra+Island/@56.9666659,-7.4920881,15z/
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S F McNeil
October 29, 2019 @ 5:47pm
My name is Mari. I’m administrator for a cousin’s kit, SF McNeil. I have to admit that we are not descendants of the Argyll Colony, but about 2/3 of our matches are. Our MCRA is Richard McNeil, who was born in Antrim county Ireland in the 1760s. Richard went to the Isle of Man at some point, where he married, had a large family, and died in 1848. I have been unable to find any record at all of Richard in Ireland. Only through YDNA did we discover that he descended from the Argyllshire, Scotland McNeils. (Haplogroup I1 M-253) I have done a lot of research and study of the Scottish origins, as well as tracing many of our matches’ North Carolina lines back into Scotland to try to discover where Richard may have fit into the family. If anyone has any information that might shed some light, I would certainly appreciate it! In return I am more than willing to share any info that might help with your own family history.
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Mark Elliott
October 31, 2019 @ 10:54pm
Though for many Border families, found Ulster to be a stepping stone to the American Colonies, the model seems to differ for those from Argyll. It seems to be direct to the American Colonies, also direct to Ulster, but not so much as being used as a stepping stone to the American Colonies. Your example of them going to Antrim then to the Isle of Man, would seem to be a likely course for I-M253 ‘Viking’ Y-DNA. Note; Ballycastle, UK https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ballycastle,+UK/@54.7328497,-6.8289552,8.58z/ Locality which shows up with in the group, would be likely stopping place from Argyll in County Antrim for Isle of Man. https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3291879?dpr=2&fit=max&h=546&w=590 The I localities may help.
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October 28, 2019 @ 7:51pm
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/courtney?iframe=yresults https://named.publicprofiler.org/ With the group, not based on surnames, of SNP, difficult within group to find match-ups. Though it is felt in this group of the; I1: M253 > L22 > Y13039 > A17051 https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ballycastle,+UK/@54.6576507,-6.8467567,7.5z/ Ballycastle, Antrim, Ulster, Ireland, just north is Argyll, across sea. https://forebears.io/surnames/courtney 1901 Place Incidence Antrim 296 Armagh 122 Down 118 Tyrone 44 Fermanagh 27 Coloration helps, but also shows not many matches, so you might want to enter an SNP, and/or surname group, if had not already besides this one. So info obtained can be applied to this group. Courtney, like Elliot/Elliott have borderer distribution.
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Mark Elliott
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October 26, 2019 @ 4:49pm
“With a combination of diligence, intuition, peer guidance, genealogical awareness and luck rather than a sophisticated knowledge of biology or mathematics I show that 37 STR markers are often quite sufficient to identify genetic families/surname branches, and one or two SNP Panel tests can be a very cost-effective follow-up to take many testees to near the forefront of this exciting application of citizen science.” https://ggi2013.blogspot.com/2017/10/james-irvine-speaker-profile.html James M. Irvine, and I would also like to confirm his statement; “37 STR markers are often quite sufficient to identify genetic families/surname branches,”
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Joshua Childress
August 27, 2019 @ 1:26pm
I’ve seen a lot of posts here discussing the change from “Mac” to “Mc” in surnames. Some of my maternal ancestors were McPhatters in Robeson County. Some research into that surname shows they may have come from Argyll. John McPhatter was born around 1750 in Scotland (unknown where). His wife, Mary Smith?, was also born in an unknown area of Scotland. Both died in Robeson County, North Carolina. Is there any links with the Argyll Colony and the McPhatter sept?
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Robert McMillan
October 20, 2019 @ 7:46pm
My McMillans married some Smiths from Robeson County. I stopped by the cemetery in Wakulla. Took pictures of the Smith and McPhatter graves there.
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Mark Elliott
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October 12, 2019 @ 2:02am
Another map, does show Scots.
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Will Turner
October 12, 2019 @ 4:45am
Yep just about right for me , mostly English with a dash of Scots -Irish and a smidge of German and Swiss.
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Mark Elliott
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September 17, 2019 @ 7:17pm
https://books.google.com/books?id=wa03AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA320&dq=Archibald+MacMillan+1st+of+Dunmore&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwienLL8pNnkAhXFo54KHQ37C80Q6AEwAHoECAAQAg#v=onepage&q&f=false https://www.familytreedna.com/public/MacMillan?iframe=ycolorized Guess what you are related to Archibald MacMillan. ‘1st of Dunmore’ is just a title, he is of Argyll, therefore likely from Islay-Jura, which most the NC Argyll seem to be from. U106>Z381>Z156>S5520>M7033>FGC11662>FGC11674 Since FGC11674 is downstream from Z156, you may want to purchase, FGC11674, and can almost guarantee it will come out positive, and FTDNA will reclassify you as FGC11674. Know they try to sell a Big-Y where they get a number of negatives in testing, but I do not work for them.
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Robert McMillan
October 3, 2019 @ 9:57pm
Thanks, I am kit 35043. My sample actually ‘discovered’ FGC 11674, along with FGC 11650 something through FGC 1170something at Full Genomes back several years ago. I recently ordered the Big Y 700 for comparison purposes. It seems that FTDNAs block tree offers comparisons that are not available through FGC (I just have a lot of pages of data from them).
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Mark Elliott
October 4, 2019 @ 8:01pm
James M. Irvine is a person that knows his genealogy and does excellent with the Clan Irwin FTDNA surname project. Helps shows the type of chart Robert McMillan, is talking about in his Big-Y, but James M. Irvine was able to develop it on his own. He is from Scotland, the borders of; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMcBkz79wQM&t=1349s A Scots-Irish case study: the Irwin DNA Project (James Irvine) 8,502 views•Dec 12, 2015
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Mark Elliott
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September 14, 2019 @ 4:34pm
McMillan Archibald McMillan, b. 1745 (mar. Margaret Murphy) Scotland Off the coast from Glasgow, is probable to the Argyll Colony (singe ‘l’ is correct spelling) of NC. It seems like the R-U106 subclave R-Z156 is most likely to travel through the island than around it, so if marriage to a Murphy took place in Scotland, and migrated to the Argyll Colony of NC, then it would seem to be most likely off the coast from Glasgow.
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Robert McMillan
October 3, 2019 @ 10:01pm
Thanks, my McMillans and Murphys came from Kintyre, Argyle, Scotland
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Mark Elliott
October 4, 2019 @ 7:48pm
Between the Mac of Isle Islay and the Mc & Murphy of near Glasgow, a likely place for them to be from.
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Mark Elliott
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September 30, 2019 @ 6:12am
Came across the Mac/McManus, felt they may have came down from Argyll to Belfast, then onto County Farmanagh, in Ulster.
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Mark Elliott
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September 30, 2019 @ 6:04am
Published online about my DNA; https://elwald.com/brigham-this-is-the-place-genealogy-with-dna-applied/ maybe some of the tactics and techniques can help people in this group to find their families also.
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Mark Elliott
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September 28, 2019 @ 9:08pm
Messer, found in 1715 NC, and Harnett, and Johnston Co, later. Also matches seem to appear in South Carolina and Georgia.
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Mark Elliott
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September 28, 2019 @ 6:16pm
N110704 Newell James Newell Unknown Origin R-L21 c1630 Ulster Muster John Newell Lord Crumwell Down Patrick Newell Lord Crumwell Down a stab in the dark
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Mark Elliott
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September 28, 2019 @ 5:12pm
Basically the I and R surrounding Argyll. Maybe those ‘I’ vikings on the outskirts are raiding the ‘R’ villagers. Don’t mine me, try to figure out distribution patterns.
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Mark Elliott
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September 18, 2019 @ 7:11pm
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September 4, 2019 @ 8:38pm
Know I have one below, likely the location the Mc/MacLellan are from, and most or a good part the Argyllians which migrated to the North Carolina Argyll came from. If people find in this group their ancestors came from here your are probably correct. Though they migrated from elsewhere in Argyll, and west Scotland, this is showing what seems so far the most likely spot for the migration to be from.
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Mark Elliott
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August 12, 2019 @ 7:55am
Turners, Since there is migration from the Argyll to NC, There are Turners, not of Gaelic origins, but of similar origins as I have moving in with the Gaelics, and likely did migrate with them from Argyll to North Carolina. This does allow for a difference in Turner Y-DNA.
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Harold Turner
August 12, 2019 @ 4:26pm
Mine landed in Maryland, but I believe them to be from that area of Scotland.
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Mark Elliott
August 29, 2019 @ 7:03pm
Since the Y-DNA sample size is same, you and others, I certainly have, may want to out of curiosity if you have not already, check in match search for Mc..or Mac… beginnings, and check surname census locality, https://named.publicprofiler.org/, may indicate relative, if of same region. Names can go both ways towards or away from the Gaelic. It is felt my family being early Ulster Plantation began to lean Gaelic at first until more border Ellot moved into region. The family name Daniel, for Dan a nickname for Andrew, which was adopted at the time, likely influenced by the McDaniel, of the area.
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August 29, 2019 @ 10:55am
595275 Clark Alexander Clark, b. 1650 and d. 1690 Scotland J-M172 If you are not already would suggest because of the sizable amounts of J-M172 ‘Ancient Roman’ in Clans Montgomery and Scott to joined their sites, especially in your match comparison for Scott and/and or Montgomery if they are producing matches; https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Montgomery?iframe=yresults https://www.familytreedna.com/public/ScottDNAproject?iframe=yresults
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Mark Elliott
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August 27, 2019 @ 11:02pm
Joshua Childress, McPhatter NC, Mcfayter, Cambletown, Argyll, Scotland. Daniel, may have preference, in NC to Donald of Argyll, keeping a similar concept. McFatter is Scottish, and McPhatter is NC. Wonder why the English speaking would prefer ‘Phatter’, over the Gaelic ‘Fatter’? “MACPHATER, Macpeeters, Macfater: Gaelic Mac Pheadatr for earlier Mac Gille Pheadair, ‘son of (S. ) Peter’s gillie. ‘ The name of an old Argyllshire family. Gillipetair mac Donnchaidh is a witness in the Book of Deer. Thomas Moir McGillifedder is in record in 1607 (RPC. ), and Duncan M’Fater appears in Deochaig, parish of Kilblaan, 1694 (Argyll Inv. ). McIllepheder and McIllephedrin 1704, McIllephedder 1706. The name is probably sometimes Anglicized Peters. See also Malpeter.” — The Surnames of Scotland (1946) by George Fraser Black (1866-1948) https://forebears.io/surnames/mcfatter#meaning https://forebears.io/surnames/mcfatter (use 1881 census it gives Argyll)
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August 17, 2019 @ 11:58pm
David Cochran
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Mark Elliott
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August 7, 2019 @ 10:22pm
Have a number of Smith, Wolfe Smith Petter Schmidt (Smidt, Smitt), b. 1667 and d. 1720 Germany Smith Kenneth Maciver 1680-1750 • Isle of Skye, Scotland Scotland Smith Charles Smith b1856 Sussex,d.1907 West. Australia England Smith William Smith, b. abt 1770, Scotland Scotland Smith morgan t.lipps Germany Hall Smith Unknown Origin Smith William H. Smith, b. abt. 1811 in SC Unknown Origin Smith Unknown Origin R-M269 Smith is extremely common name, need to have names which you are associated with. Need to have names with near matching DNA. Plus your Y-DNA, this will help to start isolating name. It is felt from Germany to East Anglican England, county Lancashire, England to Belfast, Ireland region, also towards Aberdeen. Because of the commonality of surname Smith could utilize some associated surnames.
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Mark Elliott
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August 3, 2019 @ 5:09pm
Tentative Model; Basically, it seems like the Gaelic Argyll Scots, are taking in some border Scots. These “seed” names seem to be adopted by the Gaelic, in the process of Anglicization of the names to create somewhat of a spectrum of non-NPE names on these Argyllian islands, so the names can have individuality. The Argyllians seem to be migrating directly from Argyll to North Carolina, and Ulster, Northern Ireland, whereas the Scottish-English borderers are using Ulster as a stepping stone to America. Giving both groups impact on Ulster, but the North Carolina Argyllians came directly from Argyll, and the Scots-English borderers, came to America from Ulster.
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Mark Elliott
August 7, 2019 @ 2:55pm
Still trying to ascertain model; 1650 Gaelic Irish, and Scots Royalist fought against Cromwell. The Scots Royalists for Charles II, as in Charleston, MA, Charleston, SC, and Charlestown, Nevis Island of Alexander Hamilton. The Hamilton, and Charles II Anglican-Episcopalian then a lot of them became Methodists. 1740 Argyll migration of Gaelic Scot. Suppose there is a dialectal difference between the Gaelic Irish and Scot. Note, Gaelic Scot found in County Antrim, Ireland where the Ulster Scot is spoken today. Similar to the dialectal difference between the Scots and English languages. The Mac- (likely Catholic) became Mc- (likely Presbyterian). Argyll Colony migrants spoke Gaelic Scots, like Donald Trump’s mother. In 1650 the Royalists were loyal to Charles II, in 1740 the Argyll Gaelic Scots were loyal to the crown also, but in 1776, a separation occurred in the Argyll Colony, those Loyalist moved out of the new nation of the United States, onto lands still under The Crown, like the West Indies, or Nova Scotia. So this caused separations of families within the Argyll Colony.
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Mark Elliott
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July 31, 2019 @ 1:22pm
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July 21, 2019 @ 8:46pm
“Yes, I have been researching these names because J McLellan’s mother was a Lowery and it is our brick wall. He has matches to Locklear, Lowery, Chavis and Oxendine. I wish I knew how we were related. The search continues!” Likely your Scots relatives were in the region of the Lumbee, given names of counties such as Scotland and Cumberland. If you find Scottish names of your family line which are of the region, then you I feel will be likely close to finding your answer.
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James McLellan
July 26, 2019 @ 1:37pm
Thank you, our Scots were in Robeson and Cumberland, we do have one line from Granville, NC.
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Mark Elliott
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July 21, 2019 @ 8:26pm
“J McLellan is my uncle. Other surnames from Argyll Scotland to NC in our direct line are Stewart, Graham, McGugan/McGoogan, MacDougall, McGuirman, Thompson, McCormick, Munn and McLeod.” Definitely, a grouping of Argyll. Indications any were from Isle Skye to Isle Islay. Names such as Graham and Thompson, are Border Reiver names which I have been finding can at one time been a Gaelic, name then Anglicized into a Border Scots surname, because of similarity to the Scottish-English, a language I am finding the Scots Gaelic are adopting. (still in learning stage, from input from you and others of group)
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Mark Elliott
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July 20, 2019 @ 5:32pm
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James McLellan
July 21, 2019 @ 2:32pm
Yes, I have been researching these names because J McLellan’s mother was a Lowery and it is our brick wall. He has matches to Locklear, Lowery, Chavis and Oxendine. I wish I knew how we were related. The search continues!
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Mark Elliott
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July 20, 2019 @ 6:18pm
J McLellan https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Near Campbell. R1b-P310 > U106 > Z2265 > BY30097 > Z381 > Z156 > S5520 > FGC11662 > FGC11672 > FGC11674 > Y76631 307018 Campbell John Mallory Campbell, B; 1792 Scotland R-Y76631 14 25 14 10 11-14 12 12 12 13 13 29 19 9-10 11 11 25 15 20 30 https://www.familytreedna.com/public/AlabamaFeverDNAProject?iframe=yresults McLellan have census surname distribution showing high likelihood of migrating from Argyll to NC. There are a great proportion of Campbell in group also.
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James McLellan
July 21, 2019 @ 2:30pm
J McLellan is my uncle. Other surnames from Argyll Scotland to NC in our direct line are Stewart, Graham, McGugan/McGoogan, MacDougall, McGuirman, Thompson, McCormick, Munn and McLeod.
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Mark Elliott
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July 13, 2019 @ 9:03am
https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Scottish-research-mapping-to-US-reference-8.jpg Above is from Family History Center, Church of Latter Day Saints, Mesa, Arizona.
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June 23, 2019 @ 9:21pm
December 31 @ 12:44pm https://peopleofthebritishisles.web.ox.ac.uk/population-genetics https://www.libraryireland.com/gregg/gregg-volume.pdf It should be noted that the Argyll is Gaelic, and Armstrong and Elliott are Border Scot. Above a repeat from last year. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/SELLING-SCOTS-AS-SLAVES-IS-FUNNY-TO-THE-TORIES-2.mp4?_=1 It is likely that my relatives ended up in the Colony of Massachusetts, instead of the West Indies because they were not Gaelic speakers, but spoke English-Scots. It should be noted that Alexander Hamilton’s family ended up on Nevis Island in the West Indies, which has a Charlestown on it, showing that they like my family which fought on the side of the Hamilton also fought for Charles II. The Argyllians in 1740 were Loyalists, and had to make the decision to remain Loyalist or leave the new nation of the USA, or to stay with it. This would be a difficult decision for a Loyalist Gaelic family to do. In doing your genealogy, all families hit on difficult times. Like with mine the Salem Witch Trials, just have to research through it. Note the ones which give you the most difficult time during a genealogical period are likely the ones which can give you the greatest amount of genealogical knowledge to research through that difficult era of time.
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June 15, 2019 @ 1:48pm
50790 Hill John M Hill , b1819 Darlington SC England T-M70 Note; Nixon is an NPE, may have happened in north England, considering the number of mutations. Nixon are of the Scottish Middle March family of Armstong, Elliot, Nixon , and Crozier, where the Liddesdale Nixon lived among the Elliot. It is likely the family stemmed from southern North Carolina, into South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, and Tennessee. The name likely evolved from the Latin into the Germanic T-M70 would be Roman DNA. Hill is of Germanic to Old English origins. https://nvk.entless.org/mapbox/1890:hill https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_T_Y-DNA.shtml https://www.familytreedna.com/puhttps://www.familytreedna.com/public/hill?https://www.familytreedna.com/public/hill?iframe=ycolorized https://forebears.io/surnames/hill http://named.publicprofiler.org/
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June 15, 2019 @ 12:39pm
787428 Huitt Randall I Huet, b. 1607 and d. 2 Nov 1669 United Kingdom. Anglo name, whether Huitt, Huet, but if finding Hewitt could be Anglicized from a Gaelic name. Likely in UK; Huet, Danish Anglia (Suffolk), to Danish Northumberia (East Riding, Yorkshire). In Argyll feel that some may have been Anglicize, for this to happen an introduced Huitt seed would be needed. Hewitt name migration most likely from Argyll to NC, and to Antrim, Ulster. added 6-18-2019 Hewitt, in the name found in the Cape Fear River, region of North Carolina, where the Argyll Colony settled.
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June 15, 2019 @ 12:30pm
595275 Clark Alexander Clark, b. 1650 and d. 1690 Scotland J-M172 https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Montgomery?iframe=yresults A lot of Montgomery have J-M172 (Ancient Roman), and are found in Scotland. Noting you are searching other groups. Check matches on “m-” for (M-/Mc-/Mac-).
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May 12, 2019 @ 5:25pm
McNeil and Campbell, group is large. Indicative of Gaelic names evolving and merging into. Giving a place of migration more towards the west from the Isles of Argyll. Look for departures of recognizable names of your family and Y-DNA surname matches on ships out of Greenock, near Glasgow. Reference the Highland Scots of North Carolina 1732-1776 page 86 and http://named.publicprofiler.org/
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Mr. McNeal
May 17, 2019 @ 1:26am
I am doing a genealogical tour of Scotland now! Colonsay, Oronsay, Islay, Gigha and the Kintyre Penninsula. The local people are very kind and helpful. Scotland and the Hebrides are amazing. I highly recommend anyone in this group to take a look. The Youth Hostels have tons of knowledge and guidance!
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John McNeel
June 3, 2019 @ 7:09am
Has anyone encountered R1b-DF27-L165-A11118 MacNeils from Argyll or the American Argyll Colony?
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Mark Elliott
June 5, 2019 @ 10:45pm
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/oneill?iframe=yresults Reference you likely already check, but in case you have not. See you are in FTDNA MacNeil already.
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June 1, 2019 @ 4:14pm
http://named.publicprofiler.org/ N234114 McDuffie and B172456 McDuffie, The two McDuffie, find you are likely not Y-DNA related, but feel you are related from where you came. MacDuffie, is said to be a sept Robert Bell, Ulster surnames of the MacFie, and feel that migration to the North Carolina Argyll Colony has shown to take place in region the surname MacFie is concentrated, so for two McDuf-fie to be in group indicates migration to NC Argyll Colony, likely from the region of MacFie.
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May 18, 2019 @ 5:35pm
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May 18, 2019 @ 4:11pm
Isle of Skye migration region for McTavish, and maybe William Campbell of Alabama with similar Y-DNA.
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May 16, 2019 @ 7:44pm
http://named.publicprofiler.org/ MacGill, Argyll to McGill likely Presbyterian of Argyll, Colony, NC.
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May 16, 2019 @ 7:33pm
Hill T-M70, seem to be related, likely out of NC to SC, Georgia, TN. Hill FTDNA, shows indication of Brunswick County at most. More research needed to show surname concentration population region. Likely not Presbyterian, maybe Episcopalian, English, then Baptist or Methodist. It would help to know the religion.
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May 16, 2019 @ 6:33pm
MacRory Need to join, https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-1b-l1335/dna-results A lot of your Y16252 appears from Scotland. Need to know where in US, and if Presbyterian in family line. DNA matching Scotland but surname MacRory, leans Northern Ireland – Ulster. Need to compare in this group. Seems to be near match to McLaurin, which is in this group also.
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March 20, 2018 @ 3:09pm
“have several people with different surnames, but have in my family the same surnames Hall R-M-198 Elliott R-M198- Carroll Allen Asbill R-M198-Rlala tested with FTDNA, the first two are 37 marker tested. What would be my relationship with them. Thanks Edward ”
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James Johnston
March 25, 2018 @ 12:15pm
Thanks, thought that was what happened, the Johnston’s and Elliott’s were pretty close in Scotland.
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Mark Elliott
March 30, 2018 @ 7:09pm
https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Armstrong-Elliott-Johnston-Fermanagh-surname-distribution-map.jpg Also Ulster, but the surnames where already adopted by then. https://gorrenberry.com/armstrong-elliot-crozier-nixon-johnson-graham-ulster-scot/ If your of the North Carolina Colony then your Johnston Heritage, like Armstrong, and Colony relation to Elliot would most likely be of Presbyterian, Co Antrim and Down, not Anglican Episcopalian Co Fermanagh, and Armagh, of Ulster Scotland. Kind of shows a difference between those Episcopalian-Methodists of Armagh-Fermanagh, of my family line, and those Presbyterian Elliott, of Co Antrim Down, with the Gaelic Highland Scots of the North Carolina Argyll Colony.
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July 22, 2018 @ 3:28pm
Mark Elliott
May 9, 2019 @ 8:15pm
note; have now found surname Johnston Anglicize from Gaelic, March 15 @ 11:36pm posting, in region of migration from to Argyll Colony, NC.
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May 9, 2019 @ 7:42pm
Clark Alexander Clark, b. 1650 and d. 1690 Scotland J-M172 Check matches to surnames Montgomery, and Graham. J-M172 is Ancient Roman. Clark is Scottish as you know for the English Clerk.
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April 27, 2019 @ 1:40pm
Noted; misspelled to McKneel but this result appeared, which indicates McNeel migration from Barra about 1750 which is at time of NC, Argyll Colony.
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April 9, 2019 @ 7:54pm
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Lives_and_Characters_of_the_Most_Emi/OFoJAAAAQAAJ?hl=en https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kisimul+Castle/@56.9521341,-7.48967,398m/ John McNeel, Likely you already know this as your home place; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/The-MacNeil-MacNeel-Clan-Castle-Kisimul-Castlebay-Barra-Island-Scotland.mp4?_=1
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John McNeel
April 27, 2019 @ 11:23am
Thank you, Mark. The marker A11118 undoubtedly belonged to Roderick Dubh MacNeil, the 38th Chief of Clan MacNeil. Descendants of 2 separate sons of Roderick Dubh (Gilleonan, 1st Tacksman of Brevig and James, 1st Tacksman of Ersary) have both tested positive for A11118 which means they inherited the marker from their father. The only question is whether Roderick Dubh was the first person to have the A11118 mutation or whether he inherited it from his father, Gilleonan MacNeil, the 37th Chief of Clan MacNeil.
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Mark Elliott
April 27, 2019 @ 1:17pm
barra; bar-measure, dubh; black both in Gaelic. Dubh surname could be Anglicized to Black. Seems M’Kneill of Barray, leans to the older spellings.
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April 26, 2019 @ 1:11pm
https://forebears.io/surnames/ Seems to show concentration of Stuart in NC, but feel name first to NC was Stuart, then as you said Stewart. Mary Queen of Scots, French influenced spelling was Stuart, which my family supported and ended up in Ulster. Then fought on side of the Anglican Hamilton for Charles II (a Stewart), “transported as slaves-indentures” to Colonies. Prince Williams of Cambridge, in line for throne, would put a Stewart back on throne. At about the time of the American Revolution it seemed names had changed in spelling. My surname Elliot to Elliott, adding a ‘t’.
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April 7, 2019 @ 8:07pm
John Stuart b)1718 and d) 1771 Scotland Birth and death dated do not correspond with John Stuart of Bute, which would put https://www.google.com/books/edition/John_Stuart_earl_of_Bute/qbYaAQAAMAAJ?hl=en you into the Argyll region. Names spelling, is of Stuart not Stewart is of that region. https://maps.nls.uk/view/00000383#zoom=5&lat=2391&lon=2643&layers=BT https://www.google.com/maps/place/Bute/@55.7628652,-5.3890049,9.37z/ Family soldier Hermitage Castle (Stuart did visit) (chief Margaret of Redheugh just south of there) for a James Hepburn, call Boshwell, estate near Glasgow, third husband of a Stuart. Did not turn out so well for her. Queen Elizabeth at the time had her beheaded. Many great was banished from both kingdoms, in 1607, and ended up in County Fermanagh, of the Ulster Plantation. Guess that is what one gets for supporting a Stuart.
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Samuel Stuart
April 25, 2019 @ 9:52am
thanks for the info, still searching for John Stewart b) abt.1718 and d)1771 He spelled his last name, in his will Stuawart, Not sure if this was because he was on his dyeing bed or what this spelling means. His elder Brother William Stuart b)? d) 1768 will spells all other family members as Stewart.
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April 10, 2019 @ 2:38pm
Gives basic late info types of DNAs; https://www.rootstech.org/video/you-can-do-dna
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John McNeel
April 8, 2019 @ 11:13pm
In reply to your top pinned post: 4 of the main R1b subclades are L21, DF27, U106, and U152. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ac/3c/fe/ac3cfe1135c8860dff51139055efe522.png
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Mark Elliott
April 9, 2019 @ 7:07pm
My DNA, fits in with group listed quite well, though it is felt in Ulster got there as an add mix to I-M223 Celtic Germanic, and I-M253 Viking influenced. Feel very roughly the R-DNA is likely older then the I-DNA, though both gos back hundreds of years. Do not think there has been much migration until the Argyll Colony, but a lot of Anglicization of the Gaelic names, with convergence. Think people on same island, did not want same surname and the Anglia-English plus merging names such as McNeil, and McDonald took in names. Seeing because border people like my group moved in examples from that the Gaelic Anglicize names became border names, Johnston, Graham, likely mine in group also Elliot. So this grouping on a single island with similar DNA, but different surnames, is felt to be somewhat common for this group.
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April 8, 2019 @ 7:16pm
The two MacDonald in the group above are close enough Y-DNA matches to consider yourselves related. Close counts in ‘horseshoes and hand grenealogy’. https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Book_of_Mackay/GiMNAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=islay McKay, likely from Islay Island. as first, MacKay. MacKay which migrated to Ulster may have became MacKey or McKay. So if researching the McKay of Islay Island, the spelling is likely MacKay. Henry Mackey Clougher Sir W. Steward Tyrone (PoBI DNA migration) Likely migration to Tyrone with name Mackey 2019 The R. J. Hunter Collection Ulster c.1630 muster.
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April 8, 2019 @ 6:15pm
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April 7, 2019 @ 9:13pm
MCDUFFIE Daniel McDuffie, b. 1700? and d. 1782 Scotland McDuffie Robert McDuffe 1765-1830 United States MacDuffie Colonsay (map below) Island of region in which many migrated to NC Argyll Colony https://www.google.com/books/edition/Summer_in_the_Hebrides/6xMvAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=MacDuffie
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April 7, 2019 @ 7:38pm
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April 7, 2019 @ 7:27pm
McPherson K01 Joseph Samuel McPherson Scot-Jamaica-Panama Scotland I-M253 Jamaica, indicates indenture from a Cromwellian Civil War c.1650 Dunbar, or Worcester Battle Scot, to Jamaica, then onto Panama. Which fits what you have. My ancestor Battle of Worcester. Does not give where you are from in Scotland, but looking at Argyll, or County Antrim, very north of Ireland has high probability.
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April 7, 2019 @ 7:07pm
Key Calvin D. KEY, b. 1828, Moore Co., NC United Kingdom First Name Surname Barony/Lands Landlord/Estate County James Key Fewes J. Hammelton Armagh Roger Key Town and Liberties of Armagh Lord Primate of Armagh Armagh Mathew Key Loughinisoline H. Conway (Vintners) Londonderry David Key Rapho P. Benson Donegal John Key Rapho Bishop of Rapho Donegal http://www.therjhuntercollection.com/resources/muster-rolls-c-1630/search-muster-rolls/ Key name also known in County Fermanagh, Ulster Check matches known variant of McKee/MacKee, which may help direct you. Seems to appear in Ulster, not Argyll. So would look for an Ulster migration to NC
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April 7, 2019 @ 10:50am
McCrainie; Isle of Jara, R-A208, are relatives with McRaney.
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March 31, 2019 @ 4:48pm
The group migrating to the Argyll Colony of North Carolina, seems to have a body of people coming from the purple region.
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March 31, 2019 @ 12:33am
It is felt that a major part of the migration from Argyll, Scotland to the Argyll Colony, NC, is direct. Also there i direct migration from Argyll, Scotland, to Ulster, Ireland. This is likely among the R-DNA. The I-DNA is felt to be newer, and did not affect the Gaelic speakers as the Anglish-Reiver population did. Note to get the right answers on the Argyll people I must listen then piece together a model looking for ways the model need changing. So the information given by group members has made a great difference on how it has been modeled out. The the newer language English over Gaelic tries to supersede it also historically, but family history of people of the group is far superior information. In modeling the newer information tries to block the old, but to get the important earlier information the new information needs blocking out.
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March 28, 2019 @ 11:49am
Feel the most likely region for the R-198 Y-DNA people to migrated from to the Argyll, Colony of North Carolina. It is felt that they are not the only ones with the R-DNA to migrate from this region. It is felt that if you have a Mc- name, family line was Presbyterian, and your Y-DNA is R-, and they settled in the Argyll Colony then they are most likely to be from this region.
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March 27, 2019 @ 12:07pm
Their is an Ulster Scots tongue, called the hamely (homely) tongue. It is likely that my family spoke it in Anglican County Fermanagh, in the early plantation days. It was brought to my attention migration to County Antrim, and Down, from Argyll, and what I referred to Argyll-Scot, brought in Gaelic, but with the change from the Mac-(Catholic) to Mc-(Presbyterian) the Ulster Scots took prominence there. The Mac- to Mc- of the Argyll Colony were Scots Gaelic to American English. Families of border reiver Scots against Cromwell, but Hamiltonian Charles II of Charleston SC&MA, Royalist were “transported as slaves” some say indentures to the colonies, about 1650. Later groups like Huguenots, Gaelic Highlanders, and Quakers seem to take us in. My family was taken in by French Huguenots, of (New) Oxford, Massachusetts. Though those which migrated from Argyll to County Antrim, Ulster, this was after the Union of the Crowns, took up the language of the Scots, and were mainly the Presbyterians, which the Argyll people of the North Carolina Colony did not. It seems that conflict is between the Gaelic which stayed Catholic, and the ones which became Presbyterian, though there are some border names I found which are strong Unionists, in County Fermanagh.
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March 24, 2019 @ 6:27pm
Name is of Isles Islay north to Skye. Note a very rough locality, but a likely locality to migrate to NC. Mac- likely earlier usage of names. Campbell and Johnston (extremely rough answer), could be of the region, and have a chance having with question an association with Ulster, as concept to put under the rug and take out if needed. Feel the MacNeill with two l’s at end may be the best representative of where the group is centered.
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Mr. McNeal
March 25, 2019 @ 4:48am
My McNeals were rolling stones – Gigha/Colonsay to Antrim, Northern Ireland to New France, Quebec, to New France, Detroit – which then became British Detroit, then Northwest Territory Detroit, the Indiana Territory Detroit, and Michigan Territory/State, then to Illinois. McNeal/MacKay married in 1730 in Ireland. Their sons married French women in Quebec and a Metis woman in Detroit. Even when all clues point elsewhere. Hard footprints to follow.
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Mark Elliott
March 25, 2019 @ 10:17pm
MacNeill by Robert Bell as you have said from Gigha the small island just to the east of Islay, and MacNeil followers of MacDonalds from Islay. The MacNeill is origin based and name did evolve into Mcneal and other variations, and did travel as you have indicated, and you have given excellent information on. Finding with group, though their Anglicized Gaelic names traveled many places, that if they are found in North Carolina, they travel from mainly from Argyll. Though from Argyll to the places you have mentioned also. Colonsay is the island just west of Jura, which shows today a high concentration of MacNeill in the map I have given. The original name near the original locality is indicative to be MacNeill, which would be most likely Catholic. It seems when people migrate to other places, or change religion in this case to Presbyterian Mc- from the Catholic Mac- the name may undergo other changes. Though still learning about the Gaelic somewhat Anglicized names and still have a lot to learn. Thank You and others of the group for the assistance, because I have so far gain knowledge on it and am still gaining insight which helps me in locality analysis. There are also the O’Neil and O’Neill versions, I am keeping in mine. Try to use the Mac- versions which I think are the base names which the variants migrated from. It should be noted the Anglicized Johnston-M(a)cDonald combo in these isles was a surprise also. Gaelic is quite foreign to English, where Scots is referred to as another language, but also a dialect. As society went towards Scots and English the Gaelic names seem to evolve into them. Know of a Graham which was originally from Gaelic Gromley, in Ulster. One an island to have distinguishing surnames diversifying them to the language being adopted may have been a way to cope. So I is important as Edward McDonald has done to enter and my leave soon the FTDNA correction; for Edward he was matching McKain, and utilized that grouping which was better if you match another name group or and SNP group. For a Johnston, to match a McDonald and claim Islay as their origins, and not County Fermanagh, Ulster that Johnston has to be correct, which gives Edward McDonald his origins, and a likelihood that it is into the Argyll Colony of NC his family migrated into.
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February 9, 2019 @ 9:35pm
http://named.publicprofiler.org/ Jack Seeley August 15 @ 6:43am “My great-grandfather was an NPE during the Civil War; my surname should be Young, not Seeley. Results from a recent yDNA test proved out which one; can track the paternal line to ca. 1600 in Renfrewshire. yDNA/SNP trail would suggest an origin somewhere around the Kattegat Sea and a move to the Hebrides/southwestern Scotland during the Viking Era, settling there and becoming Norse-Gaelic. Line came to Charleston, SC in 1772 amongst the wave of Covenanters that arrived there that year.” The Young name is mainly Scottish. In TN-NC and Scotland, one may be called “young John”, meaning the son of “John”, previous to surnaming. Then some people would be given the surname “Young” when there father would have the same name. That is how it is felt that a lot of Scots received the surname “Young” because they were the younger to the father which had the same personal name as they had, and likely in that case the first son. Clan MacLellan Trees Project https://www.clanmaclellanancestry.com/MacLellan_DNA_Chart.htm “R1b-P310 > U106 > Z2265 > BY30097 > Z381 > Z156 > S5520 > FGC11662 > FGC11672 > FGC11674 > Y76631 > Possible connection to Clan MacMillan.” (As you Jack Seeley have showned) Family Tree DNA – Clan MacMillan Surname Project https://www.familytreedna.com/public/MacMillan?iframe=ycolorized R-FGC11674 suggest R1b – Z156 SNP Pack …. 307018, Campbell, John Mallory Campbell, B; 1792, R-Y76631, 14, 25, 14, 10, 11-14, 12, 12, 12, 13, 13, 29, 19 … Family Tree DNA – MacCallum Malcolm DNA Project https://www.familytreedna.com/public/MacCallum-Malcolm?iframe=ycolorized Nov 13, 2015 – MacCallum Malcolm DNA Project – Y-DNA Colorized Chart …… 307018, Campbell, John Mallory Campbell, B; 1792, R-Y76631, 14, 25, 14, 10 … Also U106 some McCall with a McCallum match. Viking add mix look for I-M223 and I-M253 in groups, which the MacMillan seems to have more proportion to then, MacLellan, or MacCallum. So you may want to check your matches with the MacMillan group, and would suggest you joining both groups. Check the Scottish localities and your marker matches people which have localities.
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Mark Elliott
March 23, 2019 @ 1:46pm
It seems like the MacLellan has it. Migration from Jura-Islay towards Glasgow. Campbell and Young being more Anglicized would over MacLellan, be at a place migrated to, instead of from. MacMillan in Isay, MacCallum a bit north of there today. http://named.publicprofiler.org/
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February 14, 2019 @ 9:08pm
Buie seemed to migrate towards Glasgow from Isle of Jura, so that is felt what the MacKay family did besides migrating to NC.
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Mark Elliott
March 23, 2019 @ 1:44pm
Did not notice at time the Islands of Islay and Jura in above map.
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March 23, 2019 @ 1:08pm
With McDonald and Johnson Anglicize indication of a MacLellan distribution of Islay for this group.
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March 23, 2019 @ 11:42am
https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/54E19CAFF9AC2BEB39EAEC826BEDBC63/S0003598X16001939a.pdf/people_of_the_british_isles_project_and_viking_settlement_in_england.pdf TO GET AT THE GOLD, ONE HAS TO CLEAR OFF THE OVERBURDEN (more recent Viking I-M1&2 Y-DNA). Feel the above is a part of my Danish-Viking Y-DNA admixture. It is where a bias can be created in ones research. The Danish-Viking Y-DNA admix, are latter immigrants to the Y-DNA which is the rest of the Argyll group which proceeded it, and this is the gold. When I get a Slovakia, name and my mother’s father is a Stephen Barna from Slavokia, and my name is Mark Stephen Elliott, then bias is being shown. The surname Key. https://gorrenberry.com/chronicles-armstrong-collective/ Though my Y-DNA travels to East Anglia, it also traveled north, and around to Argyll, as Viking. The ones which arrive later have a tendency to cover up what came before as Y-DNA, and that is getting at the not the fools, but the real gold. Note if Homer Chavis is listening in. The older names like the ones of indigenous peoples of America are the same for indigenous people as Anglo-Europeans. Running Bear would be an example of and Anglocized indigenous name, from and indigenous American language. Ewald-Elwald, stems from the children; bear, wolf, and elk (moose), and ‘wald’ means woods. so Elwald is ‘elk (moose) of the wood’, there is another type which is of the thickets, and I fell this is the ‘kjrr’ which went north to Norway, and around, some went to Normandy, then up. The ‘Kerr’ are taken to be Norman and Gaelic. Bear of Baer and German Bär, and Wolf, names traveled out of Germany and made it to North American but Elk came to mean ‘big deer’. Y-DNA travels with language, not with history. Like the indigenous Americans, taking their surname from wildlife my name also evolves from wildlife. The elk(moose) these days are coming in from Poland, and evading the forests around Berlin, an area in which I claim origins to.
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March 23, 2019 @ 10:16am
http://named.publicprofiler.org/ http://www.therjhuntercollection.com/resources/muster-rolls-c-1630/search-muster-rolls/ Surname MacGilpatrick; Mac (son of) Gil (church) patrick. “son of the church of St Patrick”, as in St Patrick day.Gaelic Mac Gille Phadruig, first on record in Moray 1236. Gaelic name was Anglocize (like McKain and McDonald on Isle of Islay Argyll to Johnston), Gilpatrick, Kilpatrick, MackIlpatrick, MackIlfedelrick, and Patterson. page 114 The Book of ULSTER SURNAMES, by Robert Bell. Patterson not to be confused with Kirkpatrick-Colquhoun. Highland Gaelic names also made Patterson; MacFeat. MacPatrick, MacPhadrick, MacPhather, and MacPhatrick. page 213. The Book of ULSTER SURNAMES, by Robert Bell. If your family line is a Patterson and in the past was Presbyterian, likely come into the above description. It is felt if the family is on one of the Argyll islands, then it helps to diversify-evolve, from the Gaelic into the Anglicized-Gaelic, to Anglo (seems to be border names which Gaelic took in) names. This is what surname Y-DNA for the name Patterson can help to understand.
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March 15, 2019 @ 10:36pm
Edward McDonald, This is someone doing something correct. May others take example. Color coded it for you and others. Looks like your family highly likely came from Isle of Islay, Argyll, UK, and are likely of the North Carolina, Argyll Colony. Johnston, is a County Fermanagh name found with my Elliott ancestors, but this goes to show you the name is found on the Isle of Islay also, but anglicised Johnston from your name of MacDonald. Those Johnston are your Isle of Islay relatives along with those McKain. Edward you hit the nail right on the head. Note, migration from North Carolina, besides Georgia also goes to Indiana, as with some folk ballads.
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March 11, 2019 @ 10:04am
I’m seeking information on the parents of both Neil T. McDonald born Oct 16, 1856 and Mary McDonald born March 1852. Possible parents are Archibald D. McDonald born 1/26/1826 in Franklin County GA and Nancy Smith McDonald married in Randolph county GA 1849. Archibald served with the Anson county N.C in 1861. Thank you.
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Mark Elliott
March 12, 2019 @ 3:20pm
Name: Neil T McDonald Birth Date: 16 Oct 1856 Death Date: 8 Feb 1919 Cemetery: Shelton Cemetery Burial or Cremation Place: Jones County, Mississippi, United States of America Has Bio?: N Spouse: Mary E. McDonald Children: Cammie Stringer Mary Elizabeth Kinmon George W McDonald Annie Dossett Willie Ray McDonald Edd McDonald https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/29241576
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Edward McDonald
March 14, 2019 @ 5:39pm
Hello Mark, Yes, Thank you. I actually live on the family farm, 1 mile from Shelton church. Thanks for helping out, my trail ends with Archibald?
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March 13, 2019 @ 3:17pm
Margaret Eliott spelling of Redheugh-Stobs, Clan Elliot 29th chief https://docplayer.net/45727391-Flagstaff-arizona-welcomes-macbains.html Elliot Chief receives a tribute to her grand mothers at Greenville, SC Forty-eight Elliot Clan Society members participated in the Chief’s Dinner on Saturday evening during the Greenville Games. During dinner, Elliot Clan Society member and South Carolina reenactor, William Grissop, of Travelers Rest, South Carolina delivered a moving tribute to the Chief – honoring her Scottish Border and Southern Grandmothers. The Elliot Chief descends from a line of hereditary Chiefs back to the time of Robert the Bruce in the 1300s in Scotland. Through her Atlanta-born paternal grandmother, she also descends from many early South Carolina families who settled in that state before the American Revolutionary War. Here are the words Mr. Grissop shared with Margaret Elliott of Redheugh: Margaret Eliott is a daughter of the Scottish Borders, that fabled land that produced the men known as the Border Reivers or the Steel Bonnets. They were indeed men of steel. It need not be doubted that these men of steel sprang from, married and fathered women of steel. To even read casually of the Border history would make one wonder what sort of women were these who mothered, married and supported these men, the Steel Bonnets. These were strong women,resilient women, loving women. Were it not so,we of the Elliot Clan would not be here today. Our Chief, Margaret Elliott, is blood and sinew of these people. She is also blood and sinew of another proud line of strong women. Chief Margaret is also a Southern Girl! Her paternal grandmother was born in Georgia and other grandmothers were born in South Carolina and Tennessee. (Being a native South Carolinian with much Georgia blood flowing through my veins, I can readily state that this is about as much glory as one person can stand!) These women of the South have proven their glorious worth over the years. In two great wars,the Revolution and the War for Southern Independence, they saw their men killed and maimed, their homes burned, their property destroyed, their persons violated -yet, they persevered. They would not give up. They would not surrender. Through wars, depressions, hardscrabble existence and often unbelievable hardship, these Southern women prevailed and won the admiration of all who knew them. Soft-voiced, with a lilting drawl, sweet innocent eyes, magnolias and moonlight, these women were forged and fired in the furnace of adversity,sorrow and love. They came out with the steel in their character that their grandmothers, the Scottish Border women, evidenced so long ago. A few years ago, someone coined a phrase about a group of Southern women that so fitly rests upon the brow of them all, “Steel Magnolias.” So, we have the happy circumstance of the Chief of our Elliot Clan being a Scottish Border Lassie, a Carolina Girl and a Georgia Peach all rolled into one lovely woman. Down here in Dixie, we have a saying that very aptly applies to this situation: Hoss, it don’t get no better than that!” “After the tribute, the Chief was presented areal “Steel Magnolia” forged in Westminster, SC by the Marcegill’s, artisans at Ringing Anvil Forge. With thanks to The Signal Tower of the Elliot Clan Society, USA. For information on the Elliot Clan Society, USA, contact Patricia Tennyson Bell, 2288 Casa Grande, Pasadena, CA 91104 or email<dublincollen@sbcglobal.net>. Section B Beth’s Newfangled Family Tree August 2008 Page 3 Wife from east Tennessee, so kind of know what they may be talking about in Steel Magnolias. Chief is about my age, and to be on the safe side will not say who is the oldest. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Reiver-Trail-Magaret-Eliott-chief.mp4?_=1
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March 12, 2019 @ 4:13pm
Archibald D. McDonald born 1/26/1826 in Franklin County GA and Nancy Smith McDonald married in Randolph county GA 1849. In question. Good reason, no Archibald or Nancy show in following generations. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GBZN-99ZS?i=171&cc=1927197
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March 12, 2019 @ 3:39pm
In 1910 United States Federal Census Neil T Mcdonald Gender: Male Birth: Circa 1848 Georgia, United States Residence: 1910 Beat 5, Jones, Mississippi, USA Age: 62 Marital status: Married Race: White Ethnicity: American Census Township: Beat 5 Series: T624 Image: 95 County: Jones Sheet: 6-A State: Mississippi Family: 98 Date: 1910 Line: 43 https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-10132-43933152/neil-t-mcdonald-in-1910-united-states-federal-census?s=505921671
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February 16, 2019 @ 1:55pm
https://www.peopleofthebritishisles.org/population-genetics Not one of those yellow ring people, of the orange ring, the type of people you Gaelics took in. Can not understand why though, we kind of have a notorious reputation.
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February 14, 2019 @ 9:08pm
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February 9, 2019 @ 12:25am
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February 7, 2019 @ 8:16pm
http://named.publicprofiler.org/ John McCorquodale; (1799 NC), name rare, and MacCorquodale, is found on coast.
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February 2, 2019 @ 7:54pm
Border names Kerr, Scott Graham, and Elliott, which show strength in Scots Gaelic, like Co Argyll, Ulster Co Antrim. It is felt that people of Argyll and the borders migrated to County Antrim, but the major part, c. 1740 to the North Carolina, Argyll County, is from County Argyll, Scotland. The Gaelic Scot of Antrim, which are like the Gaelic Scots of Argyll, took the border Kerr, Scott, Graham in. These people are classified as either Scots or Irish but the Gaelic County Antrim Scots are really some of both, and dress in tartan type kilts, as mercenary soldiers known as Red Shanks. Know he’s from Texas and not New Mexico, but showing an America searching his roots in Ulster. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdIzk-6dYiA c1630 Ulster muster search link; http://www.therjhuntercollection.com/resources/muster-rolls-c-1630/search-muster-rolls/
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February 1, 2019 @ 10:29pm
One time a lady told me she had this crazy brother which gave her family information. Basically told her the information came from somewhere you better listen. When you are given family information, even if you do not think it is correct, take it in and research, you will be surprised what you will learn about the family.
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January 29, 2019 @ 8:32pm
It should be noted, that the Argyll people came to the NC Argyll Colony, about 1740, Gaelic and would be quite loyal to The Crown, of a United Kingdom, as Loyalist may have family which moved onto British regions with Scots, Jamaica, Nova Scotia, and maybe Barbados. At time of the American Revolution. Likely I had a German mercenary in my family line which fought for the British. When my dad’s family travel back in time previous to the Revolution, given the number of generations, most people end up having family on both sides. It is felt that this Argyll, migration of the Mac-(Catholic) to the Mc-(Presbyterian), may have migrated from Argyll to Ulster, Ireland, but also from Argyll to Argyll Colony of North Carolina, unlike the American Scotch-Irish which migrated out of Ulster in the north part of Ireland to the Appalachians.
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A W
February 1, 2019 @ 6:32pm
I never knew that Mac- was Catholic and Mc was Presbyterian that alone is great to know. thank you
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Mark Elliott
February 1, 2019 @ 10:08pm
Basically when they the Mac became Presbyterian they migrated to places like the Argyll Colony of NC. If you have some “Mc” relatives change them to “Mac”, using this surname census concentration program; http://named.publicprofiler.org/ , and that is most likely where they came from.
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February 1, 2019 @ 9:54pm
Rebecca Mcneal 12 hours ago Right on the nose!! Many Grahams and McNeals were in lock-step through history! From Scotland, to Ireland and then the colonies. Thanks again for your suggestions, Mark!! https://gorrenberry.com/graham-grantham-ancient-roman-j-m267-dna/ One needs to note that Scots Gaelic, is a different language than English, and Scots may be considered a dialect, which Scots Gaelic leaned towards giving way to a Gaelic Gromley becoming a Graham. The Graham were border English and the Ellot (Scots-Angus sixteenth century spelling were Scots), though we the Ellot were not by the two kingdoms of Scotland and England to marry the English, we married those Graham. The Campbell, McNeil (Mcneal is a variant name), and McDonald, are names of sizable numbers, and need to find in the Argyll region where they are from. Use http://named.publicprofiler.org/ a UK census concentration program. Then at 12 and 25 markers search names beginning with “Mc”&”Mac”, weight the “Mac” name the most because it is the likely the oldest version with derived the “Mc” previous to migration. Check the names you find on the census surname link above and it should give you a pretty good likelihood where you are from in County Argyll Scotland. It is felt that the “Mac” migrated directly from Argyll to the Argyll Colony NC, where borderers as Ellot-Elliot migrated first to Ulster then onward.
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January 31, 2019 @ 9:40pm
Gresham (-ham manor a place name), became Grisham and Grissom from migrating to US. Variant names not NPE. Campbell, McNeil, and McDonald need to pay attention. If you get a number of matches, where I have 36 of the Gresham-Grisham-Grissom, these matches are at time of surname adoption. Like at a given time a number of names are taken from the same pool of Y-DNA. For the Campbell, McNeil, and McDonald, there are large numbers of people in your respective surname groups, and in a lot of cases a surname fairly unknown in your family line may have adopted one of the major given three surnames. One way to find out where your family is from down the Y-DNA line, is to look to see if you have a number of matches to particular surnames. These surname are likely to be much smaller in number than a Campbell, McNeil, and McDonald. Finding where these surnames originated in the Argyll region is likely recorded about the name and a census surname distribution program such as http://named.publicprofiler.org/ could show the region. With more than one surname you may find overlapping locality in Argyll, and if your family search has indicated the region then you know your likelihood of being correct would be rather high. These names may have place name locality like the Gesham example. Use your matches search for 12 then 25 markers, and search by the alphabet, A-, B-, C-, for the beginning, it will bring the numbers in your search down, where they can be handled. Lets start putting some of that Y-DNA to work, to find family origins. DNA is R-U106 Proto-Germanic, likely Anglo-Saxon, being Gresham is of Norfolk (northern folk) of East Anglia.
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February 1, 2019 @ 9:55am
Right on the nose!! Many Grahams and McNeals were in lock-step through history! From Scotland, to Ireland and then the colonies. Thanks again for your suggestions, Mark!!
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August 15, 2018 @ 2:31pm
Should say near border of Denmark and Germany, is felt to be the branch point, likely late viking. PoBI Hedeby, Viking; https://ora.ox.ac.uk/objects/uuid:170414e8-8789-4e53-9863-a50429013af4/download_file?file_format=application/pdf&safe_filename=PoBI_comment_REVIEW3_accept.pdf&type_of_work=Journal%20article Previous to surname adoption.
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Harold Turner
August 15, 2018 @ 6:54pm
DNA results of mine agree. Bunch in Southern part of Sweden with some in Denmark just across the pond. Might be worth a pow wow with these relatives. Thanks
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Mark Elliott
January 31, 2019 @ 10:12pm
Andersson is the son of Anders, where Andersdotter is the daughter of Anders.
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January 31, 2019 @ 9:50am
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Pickering,+UK/@54.2523023,-0.8004965,9z/ http://named.publicprofiler.org/ William Connell, See if this like will work for you to buy R-M343. https://www.familytreedna.com/upgrades.aspx?ot=ADV Yes, the Pickering surname, is a place name which comes from Pickering, Yorkshire, England. Link may help. Feel family likely traveled to America from Ayshire; https://forebears.io/surnames/connell Linked to the Argyll people.
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January 29, 2019 @ 9:17pm
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January 29, 2019 @ 8:34pm
If you have built a large GED file, autosomal DNA , this program through ancestry.com, goes back to the time of the Argyll Colony of North Carolina. Has and advantage over Y-DNA, it travels all lines, and test is cheaper. Can see a family tree with software to create a basic tree, and allow it to grow. Y-DNA in Anglo-European society in which name travels the surname reaches farther back in time along the line of the fathers.
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January 24, 2019 @ 8:52pm
http://named.publicprofiler.org/ Sandra Loridans, Maclure and Macinnes are in the southern Strath region of the Isle of Skye like the MacKinnon. Look at SNP map below, and there is an R-M198 near that locality. See if you can find it using your matches maps, top row far right.
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January 24, 2019 @ 7:32pm
Sandra Loridans, See your R-M198 shows up on SNP map for Skye, Argyll. Because of multiple SNPs in a sequence when you search McK and MacK need no more because you are also looking from variant names of McKinnon. Look to see if they list themselves in the series of; R-M207>M173>M420>M459>M198. The lower down the series towards M198 is best. It should be noted, the best matches are you closest minimum marker matches at the largest number of markers 25, especially 37 is better, sharing a variant surname. This group is too small for R-M198 SNP analysis, and felt the one I found was too large. As you likely know the MacKinnon/McKinnon Project does not seem to have a grouping either. Though you are way ahead of the game, knowing the surname in Syke is MacKinnon. For instance; “Under the Lordship of the Isles, the MacKinnons obtained the lands of Strath on Skye, a farm called Sliddery on the island of Arran, and consolidated their hold on Mishnish, a district on the north of the island of Mull.” https://www.themackinnon.com/history.html http://www.isleofskye.net/strath/ skye macinnes’s angus.macinnes (View posts) Posted: 15 Feb 2000 05:00AM Classification: Query Surnames: macinnes, mckinnon, fraser, anderson, robertson, munro, maclure Hi there Im angus and I wish to find out about the macinnes clan in southern Skye at Breakish,broadford,heaste,Kinloch in strath ,sleat.thank you. https://www.ancestry.com/boards/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=256&p=localities.britisles.scotland.inv.general May want to search surname ‘Macinnes’ also.
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January 24, 2019 @ 6:44pm
http://named.publicprofiler.org/ Buie (Gaelic) becoming Bowie (Anglicized), like ‘Mac-‘ becoming ‘Mc-‘
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January 24, 2019 @ 6:42pm
http://named.publicprofiler.org/ Sandra Loridans thanks for information; “We are McKINNONs/MacKINNONs from Skye/Argyll.” Will help to show the “Mc-” of NC to find there home region in Argyll Utilizing; http://named.publicprofiler.org/ Mac- (Gaelic) in migration to Mc- (Anglicized)
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January 24, 2019 @ 5:39pm
My brother’s Y-DNA (Billy McKinnon) results are in and he is a part of the R-M198 Haplogroup. Does anyone in this group fall into this Haplogroup. We are McKINNONs/MacKINNONs from Skye/Argyll.
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January 22, 2019 @ 10:14am
Loyalist Highlanders, most likely spoke Gaelic, and migrated to Nova Scotia (New Scotland), with those Gaelic red haired Scots, like the president’s mom a MacLeod from the Isle of Lewis.
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January 24, 2019 @ 10:49am
It may be said that being Gaelic speaking Argyllians, the ones arriving, around 1740, would most likely be at that time loyal to the crown, or Loyalists. Should look for family members which migrate, and this is a strong indicator that you are from the Argyll Colony, and your family came there from Argyll. Can not be so bad. My family fought for the crown Charles II as Royalists, also in about 1650, and we ended up being ‘transported to the colonies as slaves’, on the Cromwellian plan. Now you are really going to feel sorry for me because my family ended up in the Colony of Massachusetts, some out of the Baptist Church in Boston, came down and started the First Baptist Church of Charleston, SC, not MA. So they were able to get away. In the English Cromwellian Parliament they still think it is funny being ‘transported as slaves to the colonies’. What would they think if their family ended up in Massachusetts? Do not like where a hard-border of Brexit-EU would go rapping itself around Co Fermanagh, Ulster, because that is where many Armstrong, Elliott, and yes Johnston, spelled as Johnston Co, NC, went to at time of Scottish-English Border Pacification. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/SELLING-SCOTS-AS-SLAVES-IS-FUNNY-TO-THE-TORIES-2.mp4?_=1
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January 22, 2019 @ 1:39pm
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Rasterisk?iframe=yresults Ulster muster localities of Connell and Conn, is Londonderry. It has great possibilities of link up with Argyll group in Glasgow, and never to Ulster-Northern Ireland, but migration of you DNA would most have to be through M343-Anglican. Note surname Buie show a concentration near Glasgow also.
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January 22, 2019 @ 10:19am
The reason for going to Nova Scotia, I know about you Gaelic Highlanders, you just wanted to get away from us thieving Elliots, and join that aristocratic branch of my family, those aristocratic, Sir Gilbert Eliott of Stobs, Baronet to Nova Scotia. https://gorrenberry.com/clementis-hobs-stobs/ That’s the line of the of our notorious chief; Margaret Eliott of Redheugh-Stobs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0LvU-EISTU She is referring to us Arizonian-New Mexico types as being ‘vagabond’.
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January 22, 2019 @ 10:08am
http://named.publicprofiler.org/ Related to Conn/McConnell, as your can see in my 25 marker test about. http://www.therjhuntercollection.com/resources/muster-rolls-c-1630/search-muster-rolls/ First Surname Barony/Lands Landlord/Estate County Thomas Connell Sir T. Phillips Londonderry James Connell Sir T. Phillips Londonderry https://gorrenberry.com/john-elwald-1418-rector-st-andrews-conn-mcconnell-mccall-dna-kirkinner-carnesmole/ http://cotyroneireland.com/muster/tullyhogue1610.html Robert ELLOTT John M’CONNELL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullykelter_Castle Noted related to McDaniel/McDonald. In County Fermanagh it is felt that the name Daniel was picked up by may family from the name McDaniel, because excepting maybe later Daniel Boone, not an Ulster Border Scot name. The name without Mc/M’ is likely Armagh-Londondary. Had relatives in Armagh also, may not had any after the Irish 1642 Rebellion. Fermanagh Royalists may it through that rebellion and were allied to the native Irish against Cromwell.
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January 21, 2019 @ 4:28pm
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January 21, 2019 @ 4:04pm
It is felt that I am still learning, and finding information presented to me by members of this group, through research is highly reliable. On individual even pointed out to me family of Loyalist Highlander, moving to the West Indies. Feel that among the group that most are not Scot-Irish, but migrated as said directly from Argyll. If Scots-Irish, migration may be from Argyll to the Counties closer to Argyll, especially Co Antrim , then to the Argyll Colony, and that is where a Border Armstrong may have been picked up from into the colony. Would be a religious migration of Presbyterians. Group of Isle of Jura is being identified as a cluster, Did it is felt migrate from Isle of Jura, but also may have migrated to the Argyll mainland then to the Argyll Colony. Conflict within this group may arise if they all think they migrated from the same place to Argyll. It is felt that when it is puzzled out all will be correct, and all likely from Argyll, Scotland to the Argyll Colony of North Carolina.
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January 6, 2019 @ 8:58am
There is great likelihood that the Buie of Scotland migrated from Isle Jura to the Scottish mainland. It is very likely that if found on Jura-Iura-Ijura-Iiura given variant spellings in search then likely a relation.
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Harold Turner
January 6, 2019 @ 9:05am
A small Bowie family here in Pickens, South Carolina.
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Mark Elliott
January 6, 2019 @ 10:45am
It is likely that the more original version of the Y-DNA came from the Argyll Buie, then phonetically changed from a Gaelic base Buie to Bowie a name in more common usage in America. In genealogy a reduction in the group size is what one is after, with many separations, such as a quarter horse may do till one can separate out the final family members.
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January 6, 2019 @ 8:54am
It is most definite by Y-DNA, with three people claim Jura as where they are from, that this group is all related, by the line of the father’s and merges in on a single male relative, of the Isle Jura, Argyll, Scotland. Forename likely Archibald, Duncan, or maybe a Daniel, of their father’s parental line. Would if of group an not Kit #238779, test for a single SNP R-BY13651, to verify, that an SNP branch did not form. A bit on American history of the family; https://www.electricscotland.com/history/america/buie.htm
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January 5, 2019 @ 12:11pm
This one is for which I take great pride in it being brought to my attention by a Buie, for the Argyll Gaelic of the Buie surname. Brought to me by a Beth Higdon. DNA travels with language, and names which are Gaelic, and have not been Anglicized, usually are of small numbers, unlike Campbell, and Neil variants, with concentrate in census rolls mapping locality. For this group likely in Argyll, giving locality where they came from. This also helps to locate associate surnames such as McPherson, and if associated may be a surname which contains a much larger population such as McNeil. Note with the Mc- also look at the later population of Mac- . Buie; Inverclyde, Scotland to Cumberland, NC http://named.publicprofiler.org/ https://forebears.io/surnames/buie https://www.familytreedna.com/public/bowes?iframe=yresults https://www.google.com/maps/place/Inverclyde,+UK/@55.7290784,-5.0795729,8.56z/ https://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/atoc/buie2.htm “The same procedure would be followed by the other Buies who later came to the Cape Fear region; however, for convenience, they would be allowed to deliver their requests for grants at County courts rather than be compelled to travel to the council. Archibald was granted 200 more acres on the north side of the Cape Fear in 1746. Duncan and Gilbert Bule received their grants in 1750. Archibald Buie, Jr. was presented 200 acres on the Cape Fear in 1754. By 1755 Archibald Buie, Duncan Buie, Gilbert Buie, Daniel Buie, and Archibald Bule, Jr. were all labdowners and listed on the Cumberland County tax list. In 1755, Archibald Buie the Piper bought 91 acres on the northeast side of the Cape Fear from Archibald McDonald. The Buies continued to acquire land by grant and purchase and in 1767 the tax rolls of Cumberland included Archibald Buie, Malcolm Buie, Archibald Buie, Junior, Daniel Buie, Gilbert Buie, John Buie, Duncan Buie, and Archibald Buie the Piper.”
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December 31, 2018 @ 1:36pm
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December 31, 2018 @ 12:44pm
https://peopleofthebritishisles.web.ox.ac.uk/population-genetics https://www.libraryireland.com/gregg/gregg-volume.pdf It should be noted that the Argyll is Gaelic, and Armstrong and Elliott are Border Scot.
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December 20, 2018 @ 1:43pm
Hand painted miniature of a William Elliott in Charleston, SC circa 1780. Was a patriot soldier. Thought you might like Mark Elliott.
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Mark Elliott
December 21, 2018 @ 8:19pm
Feel though not directly, because a P. Horton, of Georgia said he was related to the early Baptist from New England. A William Elliott, donated the land for the First Baptist Church of Charleston, SC. https://gorrenberry.com/williawilliam-elliot-baptist-maine-to-charleston-sc/ These Southern Baptist of Charleston, South Carolina were of the Portmouth, NH, Kittery, ME region, and introduced to the Baptist Church of Boston. Do not tell those Charleston, Southern Baptist they may have Boston roots. This would stem from an older brother to a great grandfather, left testimony for the Salem Witch Trials.
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Harold Turner
December 22, 2018 @ 4:07pm
Well, I did find out something on the religion front. I always wondered why so many Presbyterians from Scotland then Maryland, Pennsylvania, New England came to Spartanburg, Sc and Newberry, SC starting in the 1750’s deserted the church. Well, it seems a Presbyterian minster had to receive a formal education in order to preach. This was the wild west in that time period! Baptist well, all you had to do was say I am saved and start preaching, so there was a shortage of Presbyterian minsters and an abundance of Baptist. People wanting a church to go to well, they settled for Baptist the only game in town. As for William Elliott a friend of mine who is learning the art of painting those miniatures shared that one with me. Not many around.
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December 3, 2018 @ 6:54pm
DNA seems to travel with language, instead of history. A link one may consider to commit on for this group; https://www.libraryireland.com/gregg/irish-dialect-blue-ridge-mountain.php
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November 28, 2018 @ 3:32pm
“Does anybody have any information on Nero (Narow) Campbell born 1775 in North Carolina and died 1825 in Tennessee. My name is Keith Campbell ggg grandson of Nero and wife Nancy. They had 6 children 5 girls, and 1 boy. All girls eventually married into Talleys. My Halogroup is R-M269. Please help if you can. caseycampbell553@yahoo.com ”
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keith campbell
November 28, 2018 @ 11:37pm
Looks like when this was input there was an a added between the p and b in my name. My name is Keith Campbell. looking forward to any possible help. I hit the wall at Nero Campbell 1775.
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December 3, 2018 @ 10:31am
Campbell is not very unique name by Nero is along with Narow. It could be the individual was from the narrows, a valley in with a river which is narrow. Can only give another perspective that may help you get beyond a genealogical wall in your family line. Be mainly wrong, but if it causes you to look at other perspectives then I have been successful. The people from within this group have certainly helped me look at other perspectives. Genealogy is a sharing of ideologies, and the finding of a different perspective other than ones own, which will give a small piece to a genealogical puzzle. The is why it is important for a man to listen to the ladies, and the ladies to listen to the men, even though it is felt by me the ladies do more listening to the men and that is why they make excellent genealogists.
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November 19, 2018 @ 1:13pm
Greetings, I am a new member. My ancestors are CAMPBELLs (FTDNA advises my DNA traces to Archibald “The Red” Campbell of Argyll; my maiden name is McKinnon/MacKinnon (no members listed under those name). My earliest known McKinnon with proofs is David McKinnon, b September 10, 1805 in NC. His father was HECTOR McKINNON, (Court Records leaving children requiring appointment of tutors; Will missing; land in Richmond, Robertson, Cumberland Co., NC; land on Cape Fear River and banking at Cape Fear Bank );
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Mark Elliott
November 20, 2018 @ 10:07pm
When one does genealogy, it is manner of subdividing the search into smaller groups. There are many more the number of Campbell then M(a)cKinnon. It is like many surnames may emerged into Campbell. Next what is given by family is considered correct. So Campbell being of Argyll, it is likely M(a)cKinnon is also of Argyll, so this divides the M(a)cKinnon group down even smaller, being defined as the Argyll M(a)cKinnon. In Scottish Gaelic “kinnon” means “knife”, which is indicative there is not much of an evolution of the name from the Scottish Gaelic, which leans it towards it’s origins, not as a McKinnon but as a MacKinnon. Mac as it migrated seemed to evolve into Mc, away from Argyll. It would most like in Argyll Scotland be a MacKinnon, in North Carolina a McKinnon. The Mac have Catholic leanings and the Mc seem to have Presbyterian leanings. In North Carolina it seems of Cape Fear, arrival about 1740 before the Revolution. So up to about 1740, would concentrate on Presbyterian, McKinnon in North Carolina, then in Argyll, it would likely as informed by MacKinnon, along with Campbell, and a good likelihood of being Catholic. Finding that the family itself does a lot better job of separating out individual family members then I do. Your accuracy level of recognizing particular family members is superior to all others.
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Mr. McNeal
November 21, 2018 @ 6:41am
Mark, your comments are very valuable across many surnames. Your contribution to the MacNeils is always welcome!
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Mark Elliott
November 22, 2018 @ 11:58am
Rebecca, From what is made out to be a very notorious group of people. Middle March Clans, of Armstrong, Elliott, Nixon, and Crozier. Next year one of our own put the first step on the moon, a Neil Alden Armstrong, when another of our group was watching as president. Neil is of the Gaelic Scots, Alden is Anglo-Saxon, and Armstrong comes from Armystrand, the ‘army stand’ 1376 along the Liddel Water, then Armestrang ‘army strong’, the strong army of Scotland, then after Border Pacification Armstrong, and known surname. When the Douglas were of Robert the Bruce’s government, and the two kingdoms of England and Scotland were not of the same family, we were needed as the army of Scotland. For Christie Moore’s husband’s mother to be an Armstrong, and find Armstrong in the Argyll Colony, they moved on to the Gaelic region of Ulster, County Antrim and Down. Neil and my family moved into County Fermanagh, and came earlier as Charles II of Charlestown MA & SC. Find the Episcopalian near the Atlantic Coast, but the Gaelic Scots, which are of the Argyll Colony took us in and now speak our Scottish language called Ulster Scots in County Antrim and Down. Because this does not correspond to the history the English have of the situation, but which the families of this group have entwined already in their family histories in North Caroline, I have to be extremely careful with what I say to people of the Gaelic language origins. It should be noted that Gaelic Argyll, are more likely to take the name of a borderer, like the Gromley becoming Graham, then the other way around, because of the infusion of the English language into Gaelic region. Remember the mother of our president spoke Gaelic. The conflict I am finding is note between the Scottish Borderers and the Scottish Gaelics, but unlike the English may want people to believe, but it is between the Boarderers and Gaelics, with the Norman type English. Borderers and Gaelics seem to have Anglo-Nordic type cultures, which overlapped on the western Scottish Borders. The Kerr which are related to the Elliot, it is felt moved out of the Scottish Borders before 1600 that they are being also looked upon as Scottish Gaelic. It gives me understanding why my family rebelled in 1776. This link will give an idea what happened to Armstrong and Elliot on the Scottish Borders; https://elwald.com/peace-on-the-border/ Need to add something. Because my family arrived about 1607-1610 in the early part of the Ulster Plantation, the Gaelic Irish influenced the naming. Dand of Scotland became Daniel of MacDaniel, sons Mungo, Saint of Glasgow, and Gawon, for Gavin had a Gaelic influence, and the name Marke, is a Scandinavian influence like Alden. So early Ulster Plantationers names were influence by an Anglicized native Irish Gaelic. Linguistic of forenames where a lot are utilized by males as surnames, can indicate where a family came from. There are census distribution program, which show where certain names are concentrated and can give indication where a name first, middle, or last came from. Our feuding more was between families, and we would marry across borders. http://forgedinulster.blogspot.com/2012/01/border-reivers-ancestors-of-many-ulster.html In Fermanagh, Ulster we were chased out of the Kingdoms of England and Scotland, may have liked the Irish a bit better, though there was an Irish Revolt in 1642 the Fermanagh, Ulster people near to Ireland seem to fair better then others of Armagh. Do not think the Irish or us Border Scots wanted to fight each other as much a people thought they did. Most likely would marry each other then fight each other. Mid and East Antrim Borough Council-The Reivers The Story of the Steel Bonnets in Ulster and Scotland. Seems like a part of Antrim has interest also. https://www.midandeastantrim.gov.uk/events/the-reivers-the-story-of-the-steel-bonnets-in-scotland-and-ulster Seems like we moved in on the Gaelics of Ulster and traveled with them to North Carolina. 2 markers of in 25 with McConnell and McCall. https://gorrenberry.com/john-elwald-1418-rector-st-andrews-conn-mcconnell-mccall-dna-kirkinner-carnesmole/ Suspect some playing around though.
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Mark Elliott
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November 20, 2018 @ 10:14pm
http://www.capefearclans.com/Images/maps/grantsmap.jpg Do not forget to try the links I placed in the pinned region. The map may help find somewhat unique Argyll, not Campbell or the Neil type, of name locality.
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November 9, 2018 @ 4:58pm
I have looked for a long time for my McPherson descendants. Yesterday I was googling John McPherson b. 1746 d. 1781 and found your ‘Argyll Colony, North Carolina. His father ‘Old’ John McPherson married to Katherine Tolmie/McPherson. I have several Scottish surnames now in my line: Mure, McLeane, Boyle, McDonald, Farguharson, MacKintoch, Ewan MacPherson of Cluny, etc, but have known much about them. I’m really excited to learn about my Scottish family.
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Mark Elliott
November 12, 2018 @ 10:29pm
Mure, McLeane, Boyle, McDonald, Farguharson, MacKintoch, Ewan MacPherson of Cluny, Clan Farquharson: A History https://books.google.com/books?id=EDq1PAAACAAJ&dq=Clan+Farguharson&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjnzpOnz9DeAhXn6oMKHTiDC-cQ6AEILDAA A Short* History of Clan Mackintosh for Non-Native Scots: *Omitting Dull and Confusing Details https://books.google.com/books?id=holKSkOvV4wC&dq=Clan+MacKintosh&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj74sfjz9DeAhVk1oMKHeMiCmoQ6AEILTAA https://www.google.com/maps/place/Cluny,+Kirkcaldy+KY2+6QS,+UK/@55.6795447,-3.0789549,8.65z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x4887caa4d1473aa7:0x5d3ae37bf82aa798!8m2!3d56.146506!4d-3.216012?hl=en&authuser=0
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Patsy (Danilynn) Starr Choate
November 14, 2018 @ 2:16pm
Thank you very much Mark !!!!
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Mark Elliott
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November 12, 2018 @ 10:43pm
http://named.publicprofiler.org/ https://www.google.com/maps/place/Cluny,+Kirkcaldy+KY2+6QS,+UK/@55.6795447,-3.0789549,8.65z/ Mure, McLeane, …. Ewan, MacPherson of Cluny. May want to check; http://www.capefearclans.com for your surnames.
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Mark Elliott
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November 12, 2018 @ 10:35pm
http://named.publicprofiler.org/ http://www.therjhuntercollection.com/resources/muster-rolls-c-1630/search-muster-rolls/ One of the most common names found in Donegal, also Antrim, Tyrone and Down. Ulster Book of Surnames by Robert Bell. Priced low used in paperback.
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November 9, 2018 @ 4:41pm
Thank for accepting into your group. 🙂
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Mark Elliott
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August 10, 2018 @ 5:56pm
(correct spellings to “ll”, for MacNeil, it is MacNeill) http://named.publicprofiler.org/ Rebecca Mcneal, Back from vacation with brother; 589179 Mcneal Dan MacNeil b. 1787,Canada or NY, d 1853 IL, USA Scotland I-Y13039 454446 McNeil Malcolm McNeill (1802-1864) NC, IL Scotland I-M253 If you closely match the above, maybe they would be willing to test for SNP “Y13039”. Then likely NY and NC, names are of the same origin in Scotland that of McNeill (Presbyterian, Antrim), and likely earlier MacNeill (Catholic, Argyll). Do not like to emulate, and it is best that you proceed you self so you can learn what you are doing for future reference. Go to matches, then use two letters “Mc”, for entire data base, then switch to three letters “Mac”, and maybe some like “O”, “O’ ” or “M”, aiming at Gaelic matches.
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Kenny McNeil
October 19, 2018 @ 7:30pm
Mark, I will look at the books you have referenced when i can get on a computer. I cannot read them on my phone. I am the 13th entry on the Kintyre I1a section of the Macneil project. Number 454446. I saw it on the link you referenced above. l look forward to learning more.
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Mark Elliott
October 20, 2018 @ 11:43am
It should be noted that my family is Anglican Border Scot of 16th Century American. 1,000 AD, a lot of today’s Scotland was Gaelic. The Scots is closer in language then the Gaelic. It is felt that the Bauld (bold) Buccleuch has his Gaelic origins. Family moved to eastern Scotland which was not Gaelic, and at the time he was called from Gaelic Scotland “La Scot”, (the Scot/gaelic), his son was called the son of a Scot Fritz Scot, at the top of their family tree. The president’s mother, is of Gaelic Scotland and spoke Gaelic. It should be noted that the English language in an historical sense tried to alter this colonies history, so when you say something to me about your Gaelic based family history I am in a learning state, and about all I can do is feed you information to use, but you get to choose what is useful. My first shots towards the target will be way off until I receive more information, from people and can make readjustments. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-38648877 Family history on politicians is OK, but not politics.
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Kenny McNeil
October 22, 2018 @ 12:31pm
Mark, was this a reference for me? I am a bit confused or were you just giving me some additional information as it pertains to the U.S. President? Just curious.
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Mark Elliott
October 23, 2018 @ 11:19pm
Just saying that being an Argyll Colony, it needs to be strongly noted the base language is Gaelic, and the religion is basically Presbyterian, from Catholicism. Which is not of mainstream UK. The Ulster Ireland Counties are Antrim and Down, and the Scottish County is of course Argyll across sea visible from Ireland. Scots Gaelic on both sides of the sea, but Ulster Border Scot spoken in Antrim and Down.
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Mark Elliott
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September 10, 2018 @ 6:37am
Names evolve with language, from rare Gaelic based to Anglo-Gaelic, to combined Anglo names. for the MacDonald and Neil variants they may be a pool of rarer Anglicized-Gaelic surname, which have today a census or pre-know localities in northwest-west Scotland and the Isle of Ireland.
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Mark Elliott
September 16, 2018 @ 12:46am
Though there is a likely Gaelic origin to Argyll Colony names, they seemed to Anglicize them, and c1740 were likely of Scottish speaking regions also of Co Down, and Antrim Ulster, where it is felt displaced border people and other migrating into region had an affect of the language, which gave influence to the surnames.
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Mark Elliott
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August 23, 2018 @ 7:35pm
“ARMSTRONG CONNECTION: A good number of Irish Armstrongs are of Gaelic Irish extraction. Some of the Irish McCLAVEs, LAVERTYs, LAVERYs of Co Antrim and TRAYNORs, TRAINORS of Tyrone and Monaghan, had their names anglicised or mis- translated by the English to Armstrong due to the Irish “trean” for strong in the Irish name, and some of them went by that name when moving into the English “Pale” as it was at one time a crime to use an Irish name in the Pale. (See “The English Pale” below) Ancestors of the Armstrongs were mainly settlers from Scotland. Mostly they settled in county Fermanagh during the “Plantation” period of the 1600s. Most of them in the adjoining county of Monaghan settled in the north and central part of that county.” (Elliott and Johnston with them) http://www.angelfire.com/my/tray/index.html#traynor “THE ENGLISH PALE Some of the English were becoming too “Irish”. 200 years after the English invasion many of them could no longer read English, so…… A statute of 1366 in Ireland provided that; “Every Englishman do use the English language, and be named by an English name, leaving off entirely the manner of naming used by the Irish”…………………………… and in 1465 a law was passed enacting “that every Irishman that dwells betwixt or amongst Englishmen in the county of Dublin, Myeth (Meath), Vriell (Oriel,Louth) and Kildare . . . shall take to him an English Surname of one town as Sutton, Chester, Trym, Skryne, Corke, Kinsale; or colour, as white, blacke, browne; or arte or science, as smith or carpenter; or office, as cooke, butler . . .” The area mentioned, was known as the “Pale”. Pale = fence. It was first named about the beginning of the 14th cent. Whence came the expression; “Beyond the Pale”. It meant outside the protection of the English areas. If you ventured out from there you might be set upon by those “savage” Irishmen. English authority could not be enforced where there were no troops.”
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Mark Elliott
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August 15, 2018 @ 8:36pm
May want to consider this pattern for I-M253 mapping. http://www.hourofwolves.org/?view=campaigns&which=circa800&page=turns Jack Seeley, compare it to your match mapping localitys.
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Mark Elliott
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August 15, 2018 @ 7:34pm
Jack Seeley, If this is a true surname Wright, then it is indicative that your Y-DNA, came in by East Anglia like mine. Have place myself in the later Danish-Viking admix, with I-M223 & I-M253, which I am a R-U106. The I-M223, and R-U106, are rare over the border into Scotland, but I-253 shows up, near the borders and dominates the Carruthers on west border, and Fairbairn, on East border both in Scotland surnames. Thought the Wright name likely was adopted in the East Anglia region from an “Old English word ‘wyrhta’ which means ‘a carpenter or joiner’.” https://forebears.io/surnames/Wright In the manner of Scots one may have a John then a Young John, eventually “Young”, for the surname. It is felt the name “Young” was adopted in Scotland, from a person traveling up from East Anglia, where some of the Y-DNA took on the “Wright” surname. Since the surnames “Young” in Scotland and “Wright” in East Anglia, developed separately, but from the same Y-DNA traveling for East Anglia, to Scotland, it is felt tracing the “Young” surname back in time, you will run out of the surname “Young” in Scotland. https://ora.ox.ac.uk/objects/uuid:170414e8-8789-4e53-9863-a50429013af4/download_file?file_format=application/pdf&safe_filename=PoBI_comment_REVIEW3_accept.pdf&type_of_work=Journal%20article Likely of the Danish-Viking Hedeby, admixture, where your Y-DNA travels to Anglia, and other Y-DNA travels into the Scandinavian nations, making it appear like you came from there. Note, you belong do a number of groups, check to see if you Young encapsulate any more surnames and let me know what they are so a more refined answer can be substantiated.
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Mark Elliott
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August 15, 2018 @ 2:56pm
Jack Seeley, Have you been in contact with your above family matches? FTDNA is tops in the region of Y-DNA, but it travels way beyond surnames, and some people with use this type of measuring stick, can come out to course for genealogical purposes. Ancestry.com seems to be the advanced on for autosomal genealogical measurements without reaching because autosomal SNPs are incapable of doing so, for the most part reach into the region beyond surnames.
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Mark Elliott
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August 13, 2018 @ 8:22am
Think FTDNA mapping results of autosomal Ireland showing very few and Scandinavian showing 0% are interesting compared to my FTDNA mtDNA results and genealogy showing of Ireland and Scandinavia. Of the three, it seems that with the autosomal testing it is felt that ancestry.com, covered my mother’s mtDNA, and father’s Y-DNA, the best.
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Jack Seeley
August 14, 2018 @ 8:02pm
I’m in a new subclade I established with a close STR signature match downstream of I-S8175/S18218 and have some Finnish matches at that level. I’ve been in contact with all of them and their family histories are all of “Forest Finn’s”, i.e., Swedes that were encouraged to migrate to Southeastern Finland when it was part of the Swedish empire prior to the 1750s or do.
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Mark Elliott
August 14, 2018 @ 8:40pm
Note you already looked into https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Eure?iframe=yresults with the Eure, and direction on Finnish matches seems logical. Am finding a seemly split at Denmark towards Sweden-Finland, and towards East Anglica. A lot of Seeley seem to be concentrated in East Anglia, especially Suffolk, and this is were I feel the likelihood of the Seeley moving onto Renfrewshire is. https://forebears.io/surnames/Seeley click on British Isles. These likely are Germanic-Dane which also traveled into Sweden/Finland with close to your Y-DNA.
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Jack Seeley
August 15, 2018 @ 5:43am
My great-grandfather was an NPE during the Civil War; my surname should be Young, not Seeley. Results from a recent yDNA test proved out which one; can track the paternal line to ca. 1600 in Renfrewshire. yDNA/SNP trail would suggest an origin somewhere around the Kattegat Sea and a move to the Hebrides/southwestern Scotland during the Viking Era, settling there and becoming Norse-Gaelic. Line came to Charleston, SC in 1772 amongst the wave of Covenanters that arrived there that year.
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Harold Turner
August 15, 2018 @ 9:06am
Mark I do have a g-g-g-grandfather from Denmark a Jacob Kytel that was spelled Kittle at one time when he lived in Pennsylvania that would put these people in the 5th cousin range, but most of these hit I am getting are Andersdotters. Strange thing though Only Kittle hit from Liverpool.
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Mark Elliott
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August 14, 2018 @ 8:59am
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Mark Elliott
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May 23, 2018 @ 12:32pm
http://named.publicprofiler.org/ Argyll (Mull of Kintyre; a name of a bag pipe song)
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Mark Elliott
August 10, 2018 @ 11:36pm
“CULBRETH, ARCHIBALD, Born in Scotland (?) during 1752. Emigrated to America in 1792. Farmer in Robeson County, NC, with two children in 1812.” DIRECTORY OF SCOTS in the CAROLINAS 1680-1830
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Kelly Faircloth
August 11, 2018 @ 7:53am
I have a Archibald Culbreth, but he was born in 1770 in Sampson County. Son of Neil Culbreth, born in Scotland in 1740.
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Mark Elliott
August 11, 2018 @ 2:37pm
Note; my suggestion is about as good as saying shared surnames, but of record Culbreth from Scotland(?) to NC, felt worth mentioning.
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Kelly Faircloth
August 11, 2018 @ 2:53pm
Totally worth it!
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Mark Elliott
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August 10, 2018 @ 10:01pm
Kelly Faircloth The book of Ulster surnames by Bell, Robert, 1953- Publication date 1988 Topics Names, Personal, Names, Irish, Names, Irish, Names, Personal, Familienname, Wörterbuch, Northern Irish surnames Etymology & distribution Publisher Belfast ; St. Paul, Minn. : Blackstaff Press May have made recommendation of publication, in which price is increasing. Note above; Mark Elliott November 22 @ 11:58am https://gorrenberry.com/armstrong-elliot-crozier-nixon-johnson-graham-ulster-scot/ II. The book of ULSTER SURNAMES By Robert Bell 7/26/2017 MSE
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Kelly Faircloth
August 11, 2018 @ 7:58am
Interesting! I do have Ulster ancestors in a different line – will have to research this further.thank you!
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Mark Elliott
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February 12, 2018 @ 8:37pm
Argyll Colony people Presbyterian, Scottish speaking inclusive of Border Scots, Irwin, and Armstrong which MacDonald, have Non Parental Events with. Though the English would like you to think we made war not love, but the NPE of McDonald with Armstrong and Irwin show otherwise, and the Argyll Colony of North Carolina is an example of these people living together. Border Armstrong move in with the people of Antrim. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Scottish-Clans-12-18-Clan-ArmstrongConverted-split-002731-002800-201704011351196358.mp4 https://www.google.com/maps/place/Rowanburn,+Canonbie+DG14+0RL,+UK/@55.0742769,-2.9512267,13.37z/ (with Johnnie Armstrong, Gilnockie Tower at Hollows) Irvine (Irwin) Bonshaw Tower, not far from Rowanburn; https://www.google.com/maps/place/Bonshaw+Tower/@55.041052,-3.2005947,17z/
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David Cochran
February 13, 2018 @ 7:29am
Would the Donaldson come through this line?
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Mark Elliott
August 10, 2018 @ 11:56pm
http://www.therjhuntercollection.com/resources/muster-rolls-c-1630/search-muster-rolls/ First Name Surname Barony/Lands Landlord/Estate County John Donaldson City and Liberties Londonderry (including Goldsmiths’ estate) Londonderry William Donaldson Bishop of Down, P. Savage & R. Savage Down Seem to be Counties, Londondary and Down, likely the Presbyterian to NC. “-son” has a strong Anglia, to the Scottish Borders then to Ulster, about it. http://named.publicprofiler.org/ distribution shows County Armagh. If relative is Presbyterian, likely County Down to NC, Argyll Colony, but if Episcopalian-Methodist likely earlier, near NC east cost from County Armagh.
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Mark Elliott
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August 10, 2018 @ 10:50pm
If I was starting out as a family genealogist, female or male, I would first contact, my older relatives, for information on the family, and put that information into software to create a GED com file. Dad used the IBM DOS with PAF, which the Church of Later Day Saints used but now has switched to GED. It should be noted that I use Ancestral Quest because it handled the PAF files, and was from my understanding the basis for LDS PAF, but it is felt any software can create GED files. MyHeritage, seems to supply software. Note LDS link; https://www.familysearch.org/ is free, MyHeritage uses references from it, and very strong on security for those living. When making comparison, includes children an parents. Though it is felt in some case the commercial genealogical sites may be too liberal in linking ancestry, the LDS familysearch, pairs well with their LDS Family History Library, which was a predecessor to it, in Salt Lake City, Utah. The site is dependent to others for DNA research, but approaches the situation first from a genealogist perspective. Note there will be some LDS on the site trying in their belief to baptize their descendants, which at first they may be a little off, but be patient things seem to iron themselves out especially if you have documentation to show otherwise, because they do not want to be in error. Would use Ancestry.com autosomal testing because they do not seem to accept others. It is like FTDNA does not seem to accept transfer Yseq testing to their Y-DNA. After all it is your family history which you are doing. FTDNA does accept autosomal transfers from Ancestry.com https://www.ancestry.com. Ancestry.com has genealogical documentation research available at monthly fee also. Then transfers of data can be made to https://www.familytreedna.com/, https://www.myheritage.com/, and https://www.gedmatch.com/ Note; Went to Ema Ona Rush Elliott’s born in 1867 died in 1963, ninetieth birthday.
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Patrick McNeil has a question!
August 5, 2018 @ 8:49am
“Project administrators: Is it possible to share this projects DNA results with the MacNeil project administrators?? ”
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Mark Elliott
August 10, 2018 @ 10:21pm
Cut and paste, except for any rejections, like I have been doing. Been using public information from DNA results.
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Mark Elliott
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May 23, 2018 @ 12:54pm
99199 McNeil Archibald Mcilepheder/McNeil, 1725 – 1795, Islay Scotland. Likely your relatives? Record of Archibald Mcilepheder changing name to McNeil. https://books.google.com/books?id=1E9mAAAAMAAJ&dq=Mcilepheder&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=Archibald+Mcilepheder+ Likely other Mcilepheder, changed their names also. Look at the high matches 37 and above, dependent of population of a given surname. Name: Archibald McIlepheder Arrival Year: 1739 Arrival Place: New York, New York Source Publication Code: 6640 Primary Immigrant: McIlepheder, Archibald Annotation: Date and port of arrival, a few are date of emigration with intended destination. Source contains four lists of immigrants: “A List of Families from the Island of North Britane;” “A List of the Persons Brought from Scotland by Captain Lauchlin Campbell to Source Bibliography: PATTEN, JENNIE M. “The Argyle Patent and Accompanying Documents.” In History of the Somonauk United Presbyterian Church near Sandwich, De Kalb County, Illinois, with Ancestral Lines of the Early Members. Chicago: privately printed for James A. Patten and Henry J. Patten, 1928. pp. 297-346. Page: 328 https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=7486&h=2309927&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=CCj292&_phstart=successSource
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Mr. McNeal
August 5, 2018 @ 10:21am
Why would any of these name changes that can’t be traced in Scotland or any of the other AKA have happened. This, along with all 63 different forms of spelling sure puts a kink in the search. I can’t find any Scottish trace of any Peter.
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Mark Elliott
August 5, 2018 @ 9:22pm
It is handy to have a rare name, and likely that name can stem from one Y-DNA. Names with large numbers involved like the MacNeal, and Campbell variants in this group, could easily be from a emergence of many rare “Mac” names, of and Scottish Argyll nature, but knowing the rare name, given census helps to really narrow down the search. If you seem to find matches to a rare “Mac/O'” grouping then match the McNeil/Campbell variants, the rare name may give you a better locality to where your family came from. It is only basically two of the example sixty-three names which you should be concerned about, and on conclusion of the McNeil/Campbell match it should be the rare name of the Argyll nature which is likely to point the way to where your family is from because census wise there are likely individuals concentrated at that locality with that surname and a census surname distribution showing concentrated locality should be able to point the locality out.
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Mr. McNeal
August 6, 2018 @ 3:48am
I feel they only used the name for the voyage. I can find no record anywhere else. They seem to have changed it to McNeil as soon as they arrived. Any ideas?
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Patrick McNeil
August 5, 2018 @ 8:44am
Hello, I’m Patrick Michael McNeil; kit#672218; I-M254; h Kintyre I1a, Norse; haplogroup I-Y30043. I believe I’m related to the McNeills (sp) of the Argyll Colony of the 1700s and the McNeills of Ballycastle that immigrated in the 1800s through Canada, then to other locales in the USA; after May 1865, namely Iowa and California. Hence, are their other McNeils in this group?
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Harold Turner
August 5, 2018 @ 10:08am
I am related to a McNeely family on my mothers side that spelled there names McNealy in the 1880’s and an O’Neil family that came to Anderson County, SC in 1890 from Northern Ireland. All derivatives of Neil.
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Mr. McNeal
August 5, 2018 @ 10:15am
My brother tested his McNeal DNA – Kit 589179, IY13039 – I appear to follow the same trail. My oldest known ancestor is Dan McNeal b Jan 15, 1777, Canada. I presume we were out of Sir William Johnson’s group and during the Revolution when the Loyalists went North we settled in Upper Canada. In 1828 Dan’s son Henry took the family to Hampton, Rock Island County, Illinois and remained. I have searched and cannot find papers leading to New York from across the pond. It is likely that the family descends from Malcolm Beg, Colonsay and then probably a generation or so in Ireland. Don
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August 2, 2018 @ 3:46am
“Just joined. My recent research in Chatham County, NC led to the possibility that a few of my ancestrial lines may have drifted in there from the Argyll Group. Particularly, Murray, Ramsey and Lambert. I know my ancestor Jesse Murray, son of a Jane Murray, was from Chatham County. I have not determined his father’s name. Hoping dna will solve some mysteries. How do you compare dna for matches in this group? ”
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Harold Turner
August 5, 2018 @ 10:15am
Well all these groups are Y-DNA oriented, so that you can compare, but also you can right click on the persons name in blue and it will tell you in a white block that will pop up if you have any common surnames and any DNA test match with the person with Family Tree. I just did yours and it says we have no matches.
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Mark Elliott
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July 23, 2018 @ 8:56am
It should be noted that Christie Moore, husband’s mother is an Armstrong, and a reason I took interest in being the co-admin, is the Armstrong; The Johnston and Elliot are closely related to the Armstrong in County Fermanagh. Have learned from being part of group Armstrong are also found in Ulster Scots speaking, Gaelic Scots, region of Ulster especially Counties Down and Antrim, and came with Gaelic Argyll Scots to the North Carolina Argyll Colony. The Armstrong were the Armystrand (army strand along the Liddel Water on the west border in the highly conflicted Border Region), the Johnston(e) west, and the Elliot(t) east. They became known as Armistrang previous to Border Pacification, meaning the strong army, the Scottish kingdom and sometimes the English kingdom, would mary Graham also of Co Down and Antrim, Ulster. These Armstrong and Graham took the the extreme hardships of border pacification, like the Gaelic Highlanders the MacGregor of the Rob Roy group took, for the Argyll people. The English leave in their history we fought, but if we did it was nothing in comparison to the Argyllians or Borderers fighting at one time among themselves. This link orients to what happened to the Armstrong and why they are today found in the North Carolinian Colony of Argyll. https://gorrenberry.com/peace-on-the-border-%C2%B7-steeleye-span/
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Mark Elliott
July 24, 2018 @ 6:25pm
Fiona Armstrong of BBC news is Lady MacGregor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiona_Armstrong
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Meghan OFlaherty
May 26, 2018 @ 10:18am
I am the g-g-g-g-granddaughter of Donald Campbell who filed the following Loyalist Claim. He was married to Margaret Fullarton and several of their children were born in Cumberland Co. North Carolina. His wife may have been related to the McAllisters through marriage as Coll McAllister (or McAlester) was also married to a Fullerton. Donald is my brick wall. I’m searching for any clues to his parents or Margaret’s parents in Scotland.Source Citation for Audit Office Papers 1765-1790, Loyalist Claims, Box 4, Campbell, Donald 1784 Citation DetailsAssociated FactsMedia Edit Citation Citation Information Transcript To the Commissioners appointed by Act of Parliament inquiring into the Loyalty & Services of the American Loyalists, The Memorial of Donald Campbell of the County of Cumberland, North Carolina Humbly shewith that your memorialist is one of the Loyalists who, to suppress the Rebellion in America took up arms in defense of his Majesty’s government in North Carolina in the year 1776, and after the Battle of Moore’s Creek Bridge, was taken prisoner and used with the utmost severity by the enemy from whom at the hazard of his life he found means to make his elopement, and by the help of some friends, kept himself disguised till the approach of Lord Cornwallis’ Army whom he joined at Cross Creek in said province, and did duty under Col. Hector McNeil during his different routes in that province. That your memorialist on the evacuation of Wilmington, proceeded with the Army to Charles Town, leaving his wife and family behind, who sometime thereafter reported to him in the most deplorable conditionn, plundered of all their effects, even the cloaths off their backs. That on the giving up of Charlestown, General Leslie was pleased to order your memorialist & distressed family a passage to Jamaica, where he now remains. And whereas your memorialist in consequence of his loyalty is deprived of all the property he acquired in America by the adherents of Congress as will appear more particular in the following schedule. He therefore prays that his case may be taken into your consideration in order that he may be enabled, under your report, to receive such aid or relief as his losses & services may be found to deserve. And your memorialist will ever pray. The 12th March 1784 Claimant abroad SCHEDULE REFERRED to: (List of belongings taken from Donald Campbell) 500 acres of land in three different lots full improved, Cumberland County, N. Carolina (80 pounds, sterling money) 5 head of horses (50 pounds, sterling money) 33 head of horned cattle (49 pounds, sterling money) 16 head of hogs (about 4 pounds, sterling money) 8 acres of crop (17 pounds, sterling money) Household furniture and plantation utensils (27 pounds, sterling money) Complete chest of carpenters tools. (21 pounds, sterling money) Book accounts and notes of hands (130 pounds, sterling money) Receipt for cash taken from my wife by the Rebels (10 pounds, sterling money) Endorsed N1392 / Memorial / Donald Campbell of Cumberland County N. Carolina / 1784 / Received 13th March 1784 / A Claim Detail Loyalist Claim of Donald Campbell 1784 Web Address www.ncgenweb.us/cumberland/danmemo.htm
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Mark Elliott
May 27, 2018 @ 10:02am
Family being a Royalist at the time of Cromwell, sent to the American Colonies, others to places like Barbados, and these were Scots, can understand how Loyalists Scot not Royalists, can be sent to Jamaica, they even have a good Scotch Bonnet pepper/chile hot sauce. Fullarton, is an interesting surname. Note; All your surnames are strongly of region which the which the colony migrated from, but the surname Fullarton, seem to have a more refined locality. Fullar, is like a town with a fuller mill. It should be noted that Cumberland County, North Carolina, has a lot of hydro-head/power. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Fullarton,+Irvine+KA12+8DG,+UK/@55.6114053,-4.6791578,15z/ https://maps.nls.uk/view/00000422#zoom=5&lat=1976&lon=2899&layers=BT http://forebears.io/surnames/fullarton Note; Irrwin in 1654, Irvine today. Irwin the surname used in Ulster. Royalist, like my family English/Scots fought for Charles II, were names of Charles Town SC/MA comes from, Royalists sent to the Colonies. Guess Loyalists were sent to Jamaica.
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May 23, 2018 @ 12:16pm
http://named.publicprofiler.org/ Durley found near Oban. note; a lot of Gaelic names have some Anglicization to them.
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May 23, 2018 @ 12:02pm
Received email that a number of people have received matches mtDNA, and Y-DNA at the 12, 25, 37, and 67 marker levels. Those at the 67 marker level have a great likelihood of being family, more recently. At about 27 generations they seem to basically converge and the all seem to be family. For more recent, pay attention to 67. If 37 and 67 share same surname take them as family.
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May 22, 2018 @ 8:22am
http://named.publicprofiler.org/ A lot of Argyll Gaelic names, have a uniqueness to them, which identifies the locality of which they are from. This seems to supersede DNA for localizing the name. MacNeill, and McCorquodale are a couple of them. It is also indicative of in the region as being Catholic.
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Harold Turner
May 22, 2018 @ 12:42pm
Thanks Mark, I have quite a large Ancestry MacNeill both Paternal and Maternal.
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Mark Elliott
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May 18, 2018 @ 1:46pm
http://named.publicprofiler.org/ MacCorquodale, is older form of McCorquodale. This is where I would look for family.
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March 29, 2018 @ 8:06am
Happy Spring! Believe it or not, I FINALLY remembered my admin login name and password. I didn’t think I ever would! It’s been a busy year with a job change but I have some time coming up being out for Spring Break so I’m looking at your DNA results. I have already sorted the mtDNA tests that were ungrouped. The y-DNA is a bit tricky so, I’ll look it over while I am off work for a few days. If you have any questions please let me know and I will try to answer them.
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March 18, 2018 @ 6:15pm
Even if the Gaelic names have been Anglicized, here a some links the last two should be of interest to Campbell; http://research.ucc.ie/doi/atlas?section=d486e118 http://research.ucc.ie/doi/atlas/figures/campbell_1659.jpg http://research.ucc.ie/doi/atlas/figures/campbell_gv.jpg
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March 17, 2018 @ 10:25pm
The region which people of the Argyll Colony are from is a special area to the British Isles, which people indigenous to this region are within this grouping. To get answers or input from people of this region pre 1,100 the original Scoti, may be as difficult to acquire information from the indigenous people of North Carolina, but have to try.
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March 16, 2018 @ 7:06pm
Elihue White 1910 playing for his ox in Pisgah Forest, Transylvania County, North Carolina
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Mark Elliott
March 16, 2018 @ 11:12pm
Took a blacksmiths class decades ago at John C. Campbell Folk School, Brasstown, NC, not too far from there.
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Mark Elliott
March 16, 2018 @ 11:14pm
Need to be fed info on family history. First three rules for a genealogists. 1. The family is always right about their history, all a genealogist can do is give a family another way to look for info, and from that the particular family can find new insights. 2. Do not kick out the in-laws. No manner what one says, to be a reputable blog no one gets kicked off. 3. Always listen to the opposite sex and this may be the most important because to have families they have both sexes.
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Harold Turner
March 17, 2018 @ 9:54am
My family built the original school at Biltmore in Asheville NC before they moved to J. C. Campbell. Also helped to build the mansion. Elihue White was the second husband of my great aunt Cora Bell Barton. He shot and killed her first husband Furman Stamey. Claimed it was a hunting accident, but confessed to murder on his death bed, so he could marry Bell. Colorful family I have. He was a medic in WWI. It was his job to decide what wounded lived or died.
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Harold Turner
March 17, 2018 @ 10:01am
Wasn’t going to mention this, but he was the second wife of Cora Bell Barton my great aunt. He shot and killed her first husband Furman Stamey. Claimed it was a hunting accident, but confessed to murder on his death bed. Colorful family I have.
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Mark Elliott
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March 16, 2018 @ 3:52pm
Besides the Turners, some Elliott of NC know their music also.
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Harold Turner
March 16, 2018 @ 5:50pm
Well, while we are on the subject are you related to Bobby Elliot drummer for the Hollies ? He was one cool drummer. Around here it is Owen, Morgan, and Johnson families. Yes, and Moore and Scruggs. Can’t forget Whites and Patterson’s.
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March 16, 2018 @ 4:46pm
I-M253 McPherson Argyll, Pherson northern Irealand, and McCorquodale Argyll These names of Mc followed by Gaelic, with I-M253, found in North Carolina, are not likely from Ulster, but most likely as people have stated Scotland, and likely Argyll, since this is the Argyll Colony site.
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March 6, 2018 @ 11:51am
Though I may look like a Swede, us Scots we come in all sorts of colors. Note, an individual can look like a Swede, but have Y-DNA Out-Of-Africa. http://forebears.io/surnames/McKissick https://www.scotsman.com/news/guy-hewitt-barbados-remembers-scots-heritage-on-st-andrew-s-day-1-4304565 Mitochondria said to be Nigeria, as I recall, is said to be R1a Asian but her surname descendency from uncle is McKissic, of the McKissich of County Antrim, Ulster,Ireland. Scottish Prisoners of the Civil Wars (Dunbar and Worcester) – Y-DNA Classic Chart https://www.familytreedna.com/public/ScottishPoWs/default.aspx?section=yresults N121928 McKusick John McKissick b.1719 and d.1745 Scotland R-Y22972 There is a McKissick. https://gorrenberry.com/barbados-pow-scots/ See those Gaelic Highlanders are something special. Getting tired of black who have rare Gaelic names, and whites from Pennsylvania which likely have indigenous native America Y-DNA, said to be Asian. Yes, from way back when, but not more recent. We are not talking California, but North Carolina.
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March 2, 2018 @ 4:35pm
All I-M223 and I-M253, In Y-DNA migration the community to survive can not be of a single Y-DNA, the Proto-Germanic, and likely not all travel the path of my ancestors, some I-M223 and I-M253. First ten chiefs had same name of Robert Elwald; found a Robert Ewald in Germany with I-223, and the I-M253 is Fairbairn-Armstrong-Carruthers Y-DNA. These I-223, and I-M253 are showing up in the Argyll Colony mix. Counties Donegal, Antrim, and Down, in Ulster Ireland, are where the “Mc”, besides Argyll, as Presbyterian came from. They took in the border Scots, and from Gaelic started in Co Donegal, Antrim, and Down, started speaking and Ulster, Border Scots language. Though the English like to write in their history that we made war, maybe rebellion in 1776, to chase the Red Coats out of America, to share the same I-M223 and I-M253 Y-DNA, it is more likely we made love. Though, there seems to be people wanting to blame Buccleuch (Sir Walter Scot family), for sending border Scots to Ulster, a lot went on their own, and a lot of Co Antrim border Scots, had in the 1630 muster the surname Scot, extra “t” added at a later date.
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March 2, 2018 @ 4:11pm
All I-M253; One can see my line is from a bunch of border “Thevis”. The Irvine which are Irwin in Antrim, Ulster among the Argyll, bunch there, have a lot of NPE, as expressed by James M. Irvine, which is an administrator of that group. https://www.familytreedna.com/public/irwin/default.aspx?section=yresults Finding these NPE names are around Bonshaw Tower; https://www.google.com/maps/place/Bonshaw+Tower/@55.0410551,-4.3190115,8z/ Why is this grouping important because as Armstrong pointed out to me this is an area of surname adoption/incubation, this would lead to the number of NPE, which shows, the family inclusive of the “Mc”-Highlander which I refer to indigenous Gaelic Co Antrim, Ulster, Ireland, and Co Argyll, Scotland Catholic “Mac” become Presbyterian “Mc”. This I-M253 is Argyll-Antrim-Border Scots Y-DNA. Like in North Carolina, and in North-Ireland, Argyll, Scotland, the border people and the Argyllians are of the same family, because of this prominent I-M253 showing it. Finding that R-U106, I-M223, and I-M253 are Proto-Germanic Scandinavian in origins. Next graphic.
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February 24, 2018 @ 2:04pm
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February 20, 2018 @ 10:36am
John McDonald “How often does the up-grouped section get added to the grouped in the chart section?? Thanks! ” Do you think the English want us back? It should be noted that a lot of Scot(t), Ker(r), Armstrong, and Irwin, brought there Ulster language, to Gaelic Highland speakers of Counties, Donegal of Derry, Antrim and Down, and I felt this happened before the creation of the Ulster Plantation system. The Douglas are different, they carried the heart of Robert de Bruce, to the Promise Land. It should be noted, that the Kerr (Gaelic for left handed which about a third were), are from a town of Roxburgh, on the River Tweed, cut off from trade with there major trading partner France, because of the 1320 Scottish-English border being placed across it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKBZ9F418Wk&t=10s where many moved on to the Gaelic Highlander County of Antrim. Kerr likely then migrated into County Antrim previous to the Plantations. Those Argyll Gaelic Highlanders welcome us into the region, who do people think will welcome the group back the Argyll Highlanders or the English? John McDonald, group is still growing, and a lot of people are diverse Y-DNA wise in the population we have, at this time your match comparisons, and there localities will give you much more info. It seems like for McDonald, you likely need to do it at the 67 marker level, which will give you a better distribution pattern then this group can offer.
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February 18, 2018 @ 6:53pm
Found a link to Irish books for family research; http://irishfamilyhistoriesa2h.blogspot.co.uk/ The Mapping of Ulster-Scots http://www.libraryireland.com/gregg/mapping-ulster-scots.php
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February 16, 2018 @ 10:33pm
“How often does the up-grouped section get added to the grouped in the chart section?? Thanks! ”
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February 14, 2018 @ 11:16am
Example of one does not get to choose their relatives. (likely English, Pennsylvania) “Quaker Elliotts Quakers arrived in the 1690’s, Thomas Elliott among those who came to the Quaker sanctuary in North Carolina at that time. He settled in Perquimans county. His descendants, still Quakers, moved onto Wayne county, Indiana in 1815 and then to Kansas. After the Civil War William Elliott and his wife raised fifteen children at their farm in Rice county.” http://www.selectsurnames2.com/elliott.html My relatives are of Scottish Anglian Episcoplian descended from the border of New Hampshire and Maine (borders all the way, even in Fermanagh, Ulster Ireland), https://gorrenberry.com/williawilliam-elliot-baptist-maine-to-charleston-sc/ Donated land to start the First Baptist Church of Charleston, South Carolina. If Quakers did not make their trek from North Carolina, through Kentucky to southern Indiana; in Kentucky they most likely became Baptists. Those of the surname Elliott, likely migrated a lot from Pennsylvania to North Carolina, then into southern Indiana, as English Elliott Quakers. A lot of people migrated from Pennsylvania, to North Carolina.
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February 13, 2018 @ 12:44pm
http://named.publicprofiler.org/ http://forebears.io/surnames/Donaldson David Cochran “Would the Donaldson come through this line?” First of all, an excellent question, because of so many McDonald in group. Donaldson, and McDonald have similar surname distributions. The “Donald” part is Gaelic-Scottish. McDonald is a derivative of MacDonald where the “Mac” is the Gaelic piece of it. So the MacDonald of the original Gaelic Scots had a tendency to migrate east and west to America, giving it as a Mac becoming a Mc in America sometimes it’s Argyll in the Colony Presbyterian beginnings. The “Mac/Mc”, and “-son”, where the “Mac/Mc” are Gaelic, and “-son” is Anglo-Danish in naming they both have the same meaning as “being the son of, in this case Donald”. Took their father’s name as a surname. My forename “Mark” comes from grandfather “Mark Elliott” which gets his name from Methodist circuit rider a Rev William Mark, his grandfather. With the name Donaldson, it has that Gaelic-Scottish “Donald” tone about it, but as Donaldson, takes on a Northumbrian Danish surname naming style, and a distribution characteristic which my family has to migrate to Ulster, that Northern Anglo-Danish Northumbria Scottish Lothian Border, moment onto to Ulster, but this time of Presbyterian, Ulster County Down, migrating into the Argyll Colony, c1740, or the, or that Anglican Episcopalian, County Down, and maybe Barbados, migrating into Eastern South Carolina, with the Episcopalian. Since you consider yourself of the Argyll Colony, check when a where your family migrated in. If they migrated into the colony as Presbyterian, I would definitely, look for them out of County Down, Ulster, Ireland, and since map shows also Presbyterians, in Co Armagh, that can be considered also, but for an Anglican-Episcopalian-Methodist, family would consider just County Armagh, Ulster. Note; There are some Donaldson, living in the Argyll, Scottish region. From this region to the North Carolina Argyll Colony, it is also possible to have a Donaldson migration. If your Donaldson line or any Argyll Colony settler family happened to settle in the region as Catholic, which I would question put under deep questioning then they are most likely Argyll Gaelic Catholic. Catholics, are not quite the percentage in North Carolina, like they are here in New Mexico.
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February 12, 2018 @ 9:35pm
People settled along Cape Fear River, North Carolina, in 1740.
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February 12, 2018 @ 6:56pm
I have a new computer and I can’t remember my admin login. I’m working on it though so I can come in and group people. 🙂 Sorry, I’m not here as much as Mark but I promise I’m keeping up with all my notices and emails!
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February 12, 2018 @ 4:25pm
Thompson/Thomson and Wilson is also a border and off border names. Ferguson and Henderson a border-highlander names. The indentured Scots from Co Fermanagh, came earlier, many like the Elliott losing their identities in the American Colonies, because of being like my line Anglican-Episcopalian-Methodists which fought for Charles II, against Cromwell, and were indentured to the American Colonies, lost there identities to the Puritans, which are basically Unitarian-Quakers, today. Scots POW, and then Quakers were sent to Barbados. The name Elliott in South Carolina, would be carried by English, Yorkshire-Lancashire Quakers, and Scottish Baptist from New Hampshire-Maine, in Charleston, carried the same basic parishes as Barbados, and even a Scottish, St Andrews Parish. Barbados is Anglican, and this is where it is felt many of the Anglican-Episcopalian, of Charleston (and why it is called Charles Town), South Carolina came from, along with the Quakers, which very few are found in South Carolina today. The Plantation system seemed to migrate from Barbados, into South Carolina and unto Georgia, which carries a different migration path from North Carolina. That is one reason I feel my Y-DNA from South Carolina ended up in Georgia. If you have Presbyterian heritage, that would be a strong indication that you are of the Argyll Colony along with I-M253. There are Moore found in Fermanagh, and New England with my Elliot family. If of the Argyll Colony and I-M253 then a Scottish Moore. If of the Argyll family, and from Ulster most likely from Counties Antrium, and Down, inhabited by Scottish Highlanders and Presbyterians.
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February 11, 2018 @ 5:37pm
http://worldnames.publicprofiler.org/ Though did not expect to show surname migration path of Elliott, from North Carolina to Southern Indian, because mine went from New Hampshire, through Ohio to Iowa. As one knows a lot of people migrated from Pennsylvania to North Carolina, and a lot of these folk were Quakers, and yes the Quakers did own slaves, but North Carolina passed laws against freeing them. A lot of people migrated from North Carolina, to southern Indiana, where a lot of Quaker meetings did also. So there is a strong link between southern Indian culture and that of North Carolina. Have lived in southern Indiana. Many of my ancestors are from North Carolina, Tennessee and Kentucky, being family of south central Iowa. This is to show an important migration path that out of North Carolina, which I feel a lot of people do not acknowledge. North Carolina is one of the major states which people migrated westward from. https://gorrenberry.com/williawilliam-elliot-baptist-maine-to-charleston-sc/ Feel some of my, maybe I should not say this, but my Y-DNA brought some of the first Baptist, to Charleston, SC, from the Portsmouth, NH-Kittery, ME, region of New England. Can not claim them as direct, but almost direct ancestry. The biggest problem I have with genealogy, is someone convincing someone else they are wrong about their family history. The closer one is to the family line the closer they are to being 100% correct, as another person which is not of that into Indian, family line. The Quakers which did not make it from North Carolina-Virginia, across Kentucky, most likely like a line of Rush which likely came down from Pennsylvania, into Virginia, and went on to Kentucky, as people know they likely became Baptists. Quakers read a lot of people out of meeting, including the Ulster Scot family which the English try to claim, that of Daniel Boone. Because, of the duality of English-Scots of today’s name Elliott, the English are trying to claim my line also. Was editing Wikipedia Eliott-Elliot site, and writing for Clan Crozier, which adopted many great Hobe Elwode, adopted by a Clemyt Crosar, known as the notorious Clementis Hob, but as with Border Pacification, it seems the English don’t want me, but it seems I am acceptable to the “Mac”, Armstrong and German.
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Harold Turner
February 12, 2018 @ 9:45am
Asheville, North Carolina was the big gathering place for wagon trains going west and northwest. Made the mountain town the big city it is today. I will agree North Carolina is overlooked for its role in our migration westward.
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February 12, 2018 @ 10:07am
Why did they have to migrate that banjo player from North Carolina into southern Indiana? The fiddle and guitar would have been find. My wife plays the mandolin. Why no mandolin?
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February 11, 2018 @ 10:58pm
The Little surname, is a strong Debatable Land, surname, which is a place name from living on the Scottish, border Liddel Water, but Liddel is spelled near pronunciation as Little. The name is strongly related to allied clans of Armstrong and Elliot, and is found in early concentration in New Hampshire, where my Elliot family settled for awhile Nova Scotia, and North Carolina. This border name is especially concentrated in North Carolina. The Little, move onto Co. Framingham, where the main body of the Armstrong, Johnston, Elliot, with Irwin/Irvine, as Anglican move to and onto the Colonies as Episcopalians. Co. Down and Antrim, moving onto to Argyll, were the Presbyterians, later at the beginnings of the eighteenth century. Early name spelling from Ulster are Irwin and Johnston (not Johnson), along with Elliot, (now Elliott). DNA article on R-L193, https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/A1-Clade-Report.pdf by James V. Elliott which has overseen the Border Reiver DNA project; shows strong relation between Elliot and Little, DNA wise. I-M253, which many people of the Argyll project is found concentrated among the Fairbairn, and Carruthers, and found among border clans in Irwin/Irvine NPE (a McDonald included in the NPE? 32. Examples of Irwin / Elliot e- NPEs 32 ………..Elliott ………..Elliott ………..Elliott ………..Elliott ………..Irving ………..Erwin ………..Elliott ………..Erwin ………..Nipper ………..Irvine ………..McDonald ………..Armstrong …………Irwin …………Snowdon). This is well done by a James M. Irvine, which has over fifty years of genealogical experience; https://www.familytreedna.com/public/irwin/default.aspx?section=yresults first find or search “NPE”. Also; https://gorrenberry.com/armstrong-fairbairn-m253-y-dna/
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February 11, 2018 @ 11:34am
http://worldnames.publicprofiler.org Finding retention of spellings of MacDonald, and Elliot, from those which were lease to migrated south and/or west. Remember Anglican-Episcoplain, cities of Charleston, MA, and Charleston, SC. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Episcopalian-Methodists-Presbyterian.jpg A lot of Episcopalians, became Methodist. The Argyll Colony seems to be at first Presbyterian. The MacDonald are Scottish, but the Elliot, on the Mayflower and of Harvard College was an apostle to the American Indian an Englishman John Eliot. The Scots had a tendency to of New Hampshire and Maine to spell their name as Elliot, as they still do today.
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February 8, 2018 @ 11:17am
Donald McDonald, The person most likely related to is the McDonald from Ayrshire. Aberdeenshire, is likely from Mac to Mc migration from the Gaelic west to the the East Highlands. Walden is a surname you are likely related to also, and appears around North Carolina. Walden and the name my surname is derived from Elwald, both have the word “wald” in them a basis for German forest, so both names Elwald (Ewald), and Walden are felt to be carried from Germany. If you are doing Scottish Mc/MacDonald genealogy, keep an eye out for Walden, also Elliot. Note; Yorkshire Quaker; Elliott, likely migrated to York County, PA, but also to the Border. Migration of Anglo to Northern Northumbria, then Scottish border was laid across North Northumbria, and Anglo-Scandinavian DNA ended up in Scotland, in the Border-Roxburgh-Lothian Region of the East Borders, which were relocated c1605 time of Border Pacification, few are still left their, but most of the English and Colonies and Plantations these days. May want to compare how close the Walden are in Y-DNA to each other. I would be suspected they are close. A lot of English, like Scottish, have Germanic DNA, of and Anglo-Scandinavian nature. The Walden name seems to have southeast concentration, especially in the state of Georgia. This would lend me to believe that if migrated with the McDonald Highlanders, as the Argyll Colony is of, then your relation to the Walden surname is in America southeast and not overseas. http://forebears.io/surnames/walden Walden 42k, McDonald 360k.
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February 10, 2018 @ 8:13pm
Mark Elliott, Mark Elliott, I have noticed I match to several of the Waldens, in YDNA. I do not know the connection as far as the paper trail. It all makes sense that we are all kin to each other. It appears that R1b is the most popular yDNA in Western Europe including Scotland, England and Ireland. Those who fall under the Z-251 umbrella would be closer kin to me yet and there are a few that match me at Y-15785. I sure do appreciate your information sharing. Thanks for all your assistance, Mark.
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February 10, 2018 @ 10:09am
http://named.publicprofiler.org/ Donald McDonald, Share above with Rene Michael Elliott (not suppose have or give away his email, but you have it since you two are a match), which you share Y-DNA with. He has done excellent research on the border Elliot. It should be noted my R-U106 is unique, and his surname adoption most likely took place on the borders, so he and I would likely like most people think having the same surname have the same early origins, which we do not. He is likely in a greater surname Y-DNA grouping of Elliot than I, because it is likely his surname adoption took place along the borders. My family was literate and seeded Elwald spelling which was pronounce Ellot in Liddesdale, and gained that spelling about 1550. My surname adoption took place likely about 150 years previously in Norfolk, East Anglia. But you seem to share Y-DNA, with him and I feel it is pre-migration to the colonies. Remember the borders because of border pacification being kicked off the borders. Took today’s border spelling with a single “t”, like my colonial Elliot use to spell it, and your pre “Mc” spelling of the Gaelic “Mac” to see if today’s census concentration would show overlapping, which it did. Would say this is a likely region in which your Argyll, MacDonald Y-DNA overlapped with the Border, Elliot Y-DNA. Clan MacDonald, is indigenous to this region which took in Border Elliot. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Map-of-Highland-Clans-of-Scotland.jpg It does not mean Rene migrated to the region, but some of his family Y-DNA did. So this gives where you as Clan MacDonald, previous to taking MacDonald as a surname; where your Y-DNA is likely from. Like I said; us border “Elliot”, moved in with the “Mac” Gaelic, and those “Mac” people are still putting up with us today.
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Donald McDonald
February 10, 2018 @ 8:08pm
Well Mark Elliott, We got along well enough to form several nations along with others of our kind, USA, CANADA and Australia. I have YDNA cousins in all 3 countries as well as in Scotland. I sure do thank you for your assistance in analyzing this information for all of us. Wikileaks wants everything verified and that is sometimes difficult to do as many old records were destroyed for many of us who had ancestors in the South.
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February 8, 2018 @ 10:21pm
I was asked this question in an email, Please make sure that you have your most distant ancestor listed for both mtDNA and yDNA. But where do I do this?
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February 10, 2018 @ 8:03pm
@John McDonald: John go to your profile settings on the FTDNA home page. It is at the upper right of the page. Click on “edit account” and then click on the “genealogy button” and then click on the earliest know ancestor button. It should take you to the site to edit your earliest ancestors.
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February 2, 2018 @ 10:39pm
There are people in the UK which do not want me to explain what is in my scatter pattern, but it shows basically per ca-pita of Ulster and Scotland, not of the borders where the Ellot-Elliot are of but predominately away. Moving in with the Gaelic, the O’ the Campbell and Mac- people. We brought our language with us to Atrim-Down of Ulster, an it is spoken there today. We did not force our language on them they just took us border people in. Though it would better if you could post yours, so everyone could see how it could be interpreted. As an admin, an it is felt all should know they have given me the ability to go in your site an view, but I would feel if people could post I would be better off showing how to interpret these patterns. Mine shows what has happened especially to the surname Armstrong, then Graham, and then Scottish Elliot, it is type of genocide, called border pacification when James VI of Scotland became also James I of England also and felt he did not need people on the border anymore. Culturally different. Since leaders were not allowed, it is especially true among the UK Armstrong, we have a tendency to share ideas, and that is the proper way of doing genealogy. It is not exactly we may be welcome back, but we are going back overseas with our genealogy. It was felt that the Graham would reverse spelling of their name to Maharg, to make it sound Gaelic, but I have found as Robert Bell would agree which wrote the book on Ulster Surnames, that the Gaelic Gromley became Graham, so it was the other way around. It is the Gaelic that were more indigenous, and more willing to go along with the change though they did a lot of it. There are people over there the Gaelics, and Borderers, especially I feel the Armstrong which would like to see us back.
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Harold Turner
February 3, 2018 @ 2:20pm
Just never know when someone will get upset over some of the dumbest things. I never thought about running that TIP report on anything but Turner, but I ran it on other families related to me with not much results even one Elliott. The Barton family another matter it said plainly we shared a common ancestor about 1200 years ago. Now a fellow who sells DNA test like crazy told me there was no Turner in him and you could not believe these DNA test. Now no love lost, but if you do not believe in these test why do you pester your relatives to buy them. I am not that ashamed of being Barton kin. Does seem my Barton branch came here from Warwickshire which also has some people upset. As far as the above mine much the same. If you do not share nothing can be gained.
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Mark Elliott
February 3, 2018 @ 3:51pm
Would you like me to view and post your European mapping like I did with my own? People in Europe have not moved that much, and should show leanings of where your Y-DNA is from. The “Turner” surname being occupational has various localities of origin. It is possible that a DNA distribution pattern, integrated with a surname distribution pattern, plus comparison to names at locality at the time your name was adopted, can show the location of pre-migration origin for surname Turner.
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Donald McDonald
February 7, 2018 @ 1:03am
Mark You are welcome to do mine.
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Harold Turner
February 8, 2018 @ 5:20pm
Yep. Do know I have Y DNA in Poland and Spain.
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Mark Elliott
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February 7, 2018 @ 10:50am
Donald McDonald Even though decimal places are used in the TIP Cal, they are irrelevant mathematically. Genealogy is not rocket science. At 12 and 25 way to much data to analyse, so I went to 37 markers. Remember you bought the data and that data belongs to you. The Border Elliott; Rene Michael Elliott which you match has done some excellent research. Been kicked out of Wikipedia, Armstrong FTDNA, and Border Reiver FTDNA groups, but the Germans, East Anglia, and Yorkshire people seem to like me. Just keep on trucking. From a genealogical perspective your definitely related to this Michael MacDonald, which ancestor spelled the name McDonald, like you spell it from Ayrshire, and it it is my recommendation, you contact him an find out if beyond Ayrshire where he is from. Wikipedia kick me off about writing about Clan Crozier. Google “Clan Crozier”, see if Wikipedia shows or my domain shows www.clancrozier.com. Do not know about those Wikipedia people. Note; Because the “Mac” of Gaelic speakers became “Mc” of Scottish-English speakers to the east, it is felt the “Mac” people in Scotland migrated to the Eastern Highland from the Hebrides region, and to the Argyll Colony of North Carolina, indicating that these people most likely came from Argyll without going through Ulster. added 2/9/2018. It is felt that your family being of this group migrated like you Ayrshire, match from Argyll, but to American North Carolina, Donald your family had further to travel.
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Mark Elliott
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February 2, 2018 @ 10:29pm
This is where it is felt my R-U106 DNA originated tough onto the Scottish Borders, then through Ulster onto America, with some branching north. So you Thore could be from here, and have Y-DNA relations making you look as though you are from Ulster, to the US. Feel if I could look at your scatter pattern which I am going to upload mine, it may tell me something.
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Mark Elliott
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January 13, 2018 @ 12:34pm
http://named.publicprofiler.org/ JS Thore, England Thor; Thore is a combination first of Thor, Scandinavian God of Thunder then of Le Thoré. My present name is French-Germanic, but I am Anglo-Danish-Scot. Suspect that is what happen to your surname, of Thore likely a Thor-Thorne combo, but influenced by the French-Briton. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Le+Thoré/@43.4761067,2.5502042,1182m/ France; Thoré https://www.google.com/maps/place/Thorne,+UK/@53.544587,-0.9287808,10.37z/ England; Thorne http://worldnames.publicprofiler.org/ Top Countries Country FPM SWEDEN 17.7 FRANCE 13.41 BELGIUM 4.87 INDIA 4.04 UNITED STATES 1.43 NORWAY 1.41 GERMANY 0.46 DENMARK 0.33 CANADA 0.23 UNITED KINGDOM 0.04 Top Regions Area Name FPM KRISTIANSTADT LÄN , SWEDEN 112.52 ÖSTERGÖTLANDS LÄN , SWEDEN 75.63 MIDI-PYRÉNÉES , FRANCE 52.01 KALMAR LÄN , SWEDEN 46.34 MALMÖHUS LÄN , SWEDEN 40.75 GÖTEBORGS OCH BOHUS LÄN , SWEDEN 39.47 AQUITAINE , FRANCE 35.17 CENTRE , FRANCE 25.71 NORTH CAROLINA , UNITED STATES 18.37 NORD-PAS-DE-CALAIS , FRANCE 18.09 Top Cities City MUMBAI , MAHARASTRA , INDIA BORDEAUX , AQUITAINE , FRANCE ERSTEIN , ALSACE , FRANCE GREENSBORO , NORTH CAROLINA , UNITED STATES POPERINGE , VLAANDEREN , BELGIUM SARCEY , RHÔNE-ALPES , FRANCE LECTOURE , MIDI-PYRÉNÉES , FRANCE TOULOUSE , MIDI-PYRÉNÉES , FRANCE AIGUILLON , AQUITAINE , FRANCE PARIS , ÎLE-DE-FRANCE , FRANCE Are you JS Thore, from Greensboro, North Carolina, US? Looking forward to DNA info to be put online. Mark
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JS Thore
January 28, 2018 @ 1:50am
No, but from bordering county, called Forsyth.
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Mark Elliott
February 2, 2018 @ 9:21am
Are you Moravian?
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JS Thore
February 2, 2018 @ 7:25pm
Yes, Moravian from Friedland Community, part of the Wachovia Tract
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Mark Elliott
February 2, 2018 @ 10:21pm
First wife was from Winston-Salem. Have leanings towards the Conservative Friends Yearly Meeting, of North Carolina. Going to show you something which we all have, and that is a scatter diagram of my 12 marker test.
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Mark Elliott
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January 25, 2018 @ 9:24pm
Darrell Stanley http://www.therjhuntercollection.com/resources/muster-rolls-c-1630/search-muster-rolls/ First Surname Barony/Lands Landlord/Estate County Thomas Staton Loughty Sir E. Fish Cavan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_baronets
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Darrell Stanley
January 26, 2018 @ 4:14am
Thank you, Mark!
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Mark Elliott
January 26, 2018 @ 7:39am
Stanley and Stonely, along with Staton, are mainly English names, but your Y-DNA is of the I-M253, Argyll oriented. Consider maybe finding your family in an English-Argyll region of Derry, which speaks the Ulster Scots.
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Mark Elliott
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January 22, 2018 @ 1:17pm
FTDNA Greenspan – Elwald
Daniel Elliot (1637–1704) • FamilySearch
A Hawick Word Book by Douglas Scott – The Douglas Archives (ning.com)
The Argyll Colony Plus
theargyllcolonyplus.org/
https://theargyllcolonyplus.org/history/
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/490667
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/1012569
http://capefearclans.com/JohnMcPherson2.html
http://www.ralstongenealogy.com/number15kintmag.htm#start