FTDNA Argyll Colony, North Carolina

(continued) I have become aware in the last few weeks that I and the people whose kits I administer are related to many McPhails in North Carolina. While I saw no McPhails on the 1739 list, there are 3 McPhail siblings (Isabelle, Dugald and Daniel) who emigrated to Cape Fear in 1772 but I have not been able to figure out what ship. Some of my family think that this Dugald is the parent of Donald McPhail who stayed in Scotland but the dates don’t work. Using DNA and ancestry thru lines, I am finding a lot of dna matches and by comparing trees I am able to see how they fit into my tree. However I believe that there must be a common ancestor back in the early 1700’s that would explain why there are so many dna matches, between people descended from McPhails in North Carolina and Scotland. Bottom line, I want to find which Dugald McPhail was the father of great great grandfather Donald McPhail 1811-1895. Note: my first message said Donald was great grandfather, but he is actuall great great.

Hi Margret,I see you have Dugald McPhail listed in your post. He was married to my 4th G. grand aunt Isabella Murphy B. in NC. However,I don’t see a Donald as one of the children

need to take another look

Great granddad b.1857, Galicia, Austria, Europe, Stephen Barna, son Stephen Peter Barna, my name Mark Stephen Elliott, is likely near where your Naydock line originated.

Mark, thanks for the response. I am Big Y tested and my terminal haplogroup is R-BY39168 which is downstream from FGC17603 if you look on the Y-Tree. So I am biologically a Kintail MacRae along with a number of my male Stewart cousins who have also tested. I suspect a non-parental event occurred somewhere between 1550 and 1650 whereas our male progenitor had a surname change. The surname Naydock was my stepfather whose family identifies as ethnically Ukrainian and I believe you are correct about Galicia being the likely place of origin for them. My maternal side is much less complicated as I have a paper trail linking them to West Prussia (modern day Poland) for the last 400 years. I’m obsessed with solving this MacRae/Stewart mystery.

It has been noted that sometimes with families of means such as the Stewart, they may for a generation have only daughters, but a large inheritance. A male such as a MacRae, which has been known to marry into the Stewart family, may have married such a daughter to receive the inheritance of that family, with the understanding of adopting the Stewart surname. The MacRae were strong supporters of a Stewart (Stuart) regaining the throne. Would be looking towards the concept of a MacRae adopting the Stewart surname.

My McMillans married and intermarried with a bunch of McRaes in North Carolina and moved into Georgia. Have several old genealogies on the early family. However I do not see you in the block tree, so I won’t be a McMillan that you match.

I am branch kin to a Phillips family twice that moved to Spartanburg County, SC in the 1760’s

Could be an offshoot for sure, the Phillips are all over the Carolinas. My direct Phillips family stayed in Bladen/Robeson counties until my Grandfather, who was the last to be born there. Thanks for responding. 🙂

Though for many Border families, found Ulster to be a stepping stone to the American Colonies, the model seems to differ for those from Argyll. It seems to be direct to the American Colonies, also direct to Ulster, but not so much as being used as a stepping stone to the American Colonies. Your example of them going to Antrim then to the Isle of Man, would seem to be a likely course for I-M253 ‘Viking’ Y-DNA. Note; Ballycastle, UK https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ballycastle,+UK/@54.7328497,-6.8289552,8.58z/ Locality which shows up with in the group, would be likely stopping place from Argyll in County Antrim for Isle of Man. https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3291879?dpr=2&fit=max&h=546&w=590 The I localities may help.

My McMillans married some Smiths from Robeson County. I stopped by the cemetery in Wakulla. Took pictures of the Smith and McPhatter graves there.

My DNA, fits in with group listed quite well, though it is felt in Ulster got there as an add mix to I-M223 Celtic Germanic, and I-M253 Viking influenced. Feel very roughly the R-DNA is likely older then the I-DNA, though both gos back hundreds of years. Do not think there has been much migration until the Argyll Colony, but a lot of Anglicization of the Gaelic names, with convergence. Think people on same island, did not want same surname and the Anglia-English plus merging names such as McNeil, and McDonald took in names. Seeing because border people like my group moved in examples from that the Gaelic Anglicize names became border names, Johnston, Graham, likely mine in group also Elliot. So this grouping on a single island with similar DNA, but different surnames, is felt to be somewhat common for this group.

Name: Neil T McDonald Birth Date: 16 Oct 1856 Death Date: 8 Feb 1919 Cemetery: Shelton Cemetery Burial or Cremation Place: Jones County, Mississippi, United States of America Has Bio?: N Spouse: Mary E. McDonald Children: Cammie Stringer Mary Elizabeth Kinmon George W McDonald Annie Dossett Willie Ray McDonald Edd McDonald https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/29241576

Hello Mark, Yes, Thank you. I actually live on the family farm, 1 mile from Shelton church. Thanks for helping out, my trail ends with Archibald?

When one does genealogy, it is manner of subdividing the search into smaller groups. There are many more the number of Campbell then M(a)cKinnon. It is like many surnames may emerged into Campbell. Next what is given by family is considered correct. So Campbell being of Argyll, it is likely M(a)cKinnon is also of Argyll, so this divides the M(a)cKinnon group down even smaller, being defined as the Argyll M(a)cKinnon. In Scottish Gaelic “kinnon” means “knife”, which is indicative there is not much of an evolution of the name from the Scottish Gaelic, which leans it towards it’s origins, not as a McKinnon but as a MacKinnon. Mac as it migrated seemed to evolve into Mc, away from Argyll. It would most like in Argyll Scotland be a MacKinnon, in North Carolina a McKinnon. The Mac have Catholic leanings and the Mc seem to have Presbyterian leanings. In North Carolina it seems of Cape Fear, arrival about 1740 before the Revolution. So up to about 1740, would concentrate on Presbyterian, McKinnon in North Carolina, then in Argyll, it would likely as informed by MacKinnon, along with Campbell, and a good likelihood of being Catholic. Finding that the family itself does a lot better job of separating out individual family members then I do. Your accuracy level of recognizing particular family members is superior to all others.

Mark, your comments are very valuable across many surnames. Your contribution to the MacNeils is always welcome!

Rebecca, From what is made out to be a very notorious group of people. Middle March Clans, of Armstrong, Elliott, Nixon, and Crozier. Next year one of our own put the first step on the moon, a Neil Alden Armstrong, when another of our group was watching as president. Neil is of the Gaelic Scots, Alden is Anglo-Saxon, and Armstrong comes from Armystrand, the ‘army stand’ 1376 along the Liddel Water, then Armestrang ‘army strong’, the strong army of Scotland, then after Border Pacification Armstrong, and known surname. When the Douglas were of Robert the Bruce’s government, and the two kingdoms of England and Scotland were not of the same family, we were needed as the army of Scotland. For Christie Moore’s husband’s mother to be an Armstrong, and find Armstrong in the Argyll Colony, they moved on to the Gaelic region of Ulster, County Antrim and Down. Neil and my family moved into County Fermanagh, and came earlier as Charles II of Charlestown MA & SC. Find the Episcopalian near the Atlantic Coast, but the Gaelic Scots, which are of the Argyll Colony took us in and now speak our Scottish language called Ulster Scots in County Antrim and Down. Because this does not correspond to the history the English have of the situation, but which the families of this group have entwined already in their family histories in North Caroline, I have to be extremely careful with what I say to people of the Gaelic language origins. It should be noted that Gaelic Argyll, are more likely to take the name of a borderer, like the Gromley becoming Graham, then the other way around, because of the infusion of the English language into Gaelic region. Remember the mother of our president spoke Gaelic. The conflict I am finding is note between the Scottish Borderers and the Scottish Gaelics, but unlike the English may want people to believe, but it is between the Boarderers and Gaelics, with the Norman type English. Borderers and Gaelics seem to have Anglo-Nordic type cultures, which overlapped on the western Scottish Borders. The Kerr which are related to the Elliot, it is felt moved out of the Scottish Borders before 1600 that they are being also looked upon as Scottish Gaelic. It gives me understanding why my family rebelled in 1776. This link will give an idea what happened to Armstrong and Elliot on the Scottish Borders; https://elwald.com/peace-on-the-border/ Need to add something. Because my family arrived about 1607-1610 in the early part of the Ulster Plantation, the Gaelic Irish influenced the naming. Dand of Scotland became Daniel of MacDaniel, sons Mungo, Saint of Glasgow, and Gawon, for Gavin had a Gaelic influence, and the name Marke, is a Scandinavian influence like Alden. So early Ulster Plantationers names were influence by an Anglicized native Irish Gaelic. Linguistic of forenames where a lot are utilized by males as surnames, can indicate where a family came from. There are census distribution program, which show where certain names are concentrated and can give indication where a name first, middle, or last came from. Our feuding more was between families, and we would marry across borders. http://forgedinulster.blogspot.com/2012/01/border-reivers-ancestors-of-many-ulster.html In Fermanagh, Ulster we were chased out of the Kingdoms of England and Scotland, may have liked the Irish a bit better, though there was an Irish Revolt in 1642 the Fermanagh, Ulster people near to Ireland seem to fair better then others of Armagh. Do not think the Irish or us Border Scots wanted to fight each other as much a people thought they did. Most likely would marry each other then fight each other. Mid and East Antrim Borough Council-The Reivers The Story of the Steel Bonnets in Ulster and Scotland. Seems like a part of Antrim has interest also. https://www.midandeastantrim.gov.uk/events/the-reivers-the-story-of-the-steel-bonnets-in-scotland-and-ulster Seems like we moved in on the Gaelics of Ulster and traveled with them to North Carolina. 2 markers of in 25 with McConnell and McCall. https://gorrenberry.com/john-elwald-1418-rector-st-andrews-conn-mcconnell-mccall-dna-kirkinner-carnesmole/ Suspect some playing around though.

Mure, McLeane, Boyle, McDonald, Farguharson, MacKintoch, Ewan MacPherson of Cluny, Clan Farquharson: A History https://books.google.com/books?id=EDq1PAAACAAJ&dq=Clan+Farguharson&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjnzpOnz9DeAhXn6oMKHTiDC-cQ6AEILDAA A Short* History of Clan Mackintosh for Non-Native Scots: *Omitting Dull and Confusing Details https://books.google.com/books?id=holKSkOvV4wC&dq=Clan+MacKintosh&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj74sfjz9DeAhVk1oMKHeMiCmoQ6AEILTAA https://www.google.com/maps/place/Cluny,+Kirkcaldy+KY2+6QS,+UK/@55.6795447,-3.0789549,8.65z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x4887caa4d1473aa7:0x5d3ae37bf82aa798!8m2!3d56.146506!4d-3.216012?hl=en&authuser=0

Thank you very much Mark !!!!