Although there is more than one story about the origins of the Fairbairns, perhaps one of the most widely accepted is the saga of Siward.The Viking, also known as Siward Fairbairn of the Strong Arm.Siward was the son of a Danish King and lived in England from about 995 till his death in 1056.In those days, the ruler of any small territory was a king, so exactly where his father, Hringo, King of Upland, also known as Earl Beorn, would fall on the yardstick of earthly royalty is not clear; however, at the very least, he would be considered of noble birth.

Whether Siward was born in England is also not known for certain.However, he was the first to carry the name of Armstrong and was listed in the History of England as having earned the right to the title of Earl of Northumbria (Northumberland) having been conferred the title by Edward the Confessor.
Siward, the Fairbairn, was said to be of giant-like stature and a strong man, blue-eyed, very fair with light hair and beard.The legend goes that Siward took ship and sailed with 50 of his men from Danemark, arriving at what is today called the Shetland Islands, where he is said to have encountered a dragon which he slew in single combat.Dragons, as most of us know, are mythical creatures which the dictionary states were first defined as a large serpent.He apparently got a kick out of killing serpents, as he put out to sea again and finally landed in Northumbria where he began looking for another one to fight with.Here he met an old man who he thought was his god, Odin, who told him he had already killed the dragon and for him, Siward, to sail southward to the mouth of the Thames river which could bring him to the wealthy city of London (one would think that there would have been plenty of serpents there).The old man then gave him a standard (flag) to carry which signified The Raven of Earthly Terror (Edgar Allen Poe must have read about our ancestor!)He was received by Edward the Confessor, the King of England, with much ceremony and was made many promises if he would stay with the King and help him fight to retain his kinship.
The following story about Siward had endured.One day, as he was leaving the court after an audience with King Edward, he was confronted by Tostig, Earl of Huntington, on a bridge, who insulted him by throwing dirt upon him.Siward took no offense at the time, but on confronting him on his return on the same bridge, the story goes that he decapitated Earl Tostig and carried his head back to the King.The king, being suitably impressed by this brawny warrior with violent tendencies, wisely awarded Siward the Earldom of Huntington in addition to Northumbria.
As Siward’s reputation as a brave and valiant knight continued to increase, so also did the kingdom of Edward continued to be visited by other Danes who held him and his people in much less esteem than did our good Siward.In fact, they became an ever-growing nuisance – arriving by ship and plundering the eastern coast of England.As the most of the havoc they created was located in Westmoreland, Cumberland and Northumbria Counties, some wise soul counseled the King to put Siward in charge of defending this area.White perhaps properly descriptive if not overly flattering, it was reportedly stated that it was best that the little devil should be first exposed to the great devil.
Siward goverened in peace the territory of Northumbria which extended from the Humber River to the Tweed River on the border of Scotland, and was greatly respected and loved by the Northumbrians who were chiefly of Danish extraction (better a danish devil than an English saint?). He orchestrated several forays from Northumbria to the north and was successful in putting all territory under the command of the King of England.

The surname of Siward was Beorn (meaning bear) and relates to the Nordic legends of the Fairy Bear or Fay Bairn, from which the Border name of Fairbairn, originated.The name was applied to the stories of Siward and his father and were called the fairy Bear Stories.

Siward had a sister (who’s name is not known) who married Duncan, the King of Scotland from 1034-1040 AD.Prior to his death in 1056, Siward suppoeted his nephew Malcolm, the rightful heir, against Shakespeare’s famous King Macbeth of Scotland who had killed Malcolm’s father King Duncan.
By 1070, the Battle of Hastings (1066) was over and England hsd been conquered by William of Normandy.Malcolm III had been on the Scottish throne since the death of Macbeth in 1057 and Siward has been dead since 1056.His first son, Osberne Bulax, was killed in the battle of Macbeth in 1054, some say by the hand of Macbeth, himself.Osberne is also said to have married the daughter of Lady Godiva.Siward’s second son, Waltheof (which means forest thief – nice name!) is alternately in and out of favor with William the Conqueror.For example, his wife, Juditha, is a niece of William and in 1069 we find that King William restored the earldom of Northumbria to Waltheof.However, in 1076 he was betrayed by King William and brought ot the outskirts of Westminister where he was beheaded.

Osberne Bulax had two sons named Siward Barn the Red and Siward Barn the White (Fairbeom).Not much is known od Siward the Red, but it is known that Siward Barn thw White became a refugee and fled to Scotland with many other men of distinguished renown including Edgar, the Atheling, the rightful Kinf of England.

Waltheof left no male descendant.However, Matilda (called Maude), his daughter (after her first husband died) married King David I, the son of King Malcolm of Scotland and his wife Margaret, who was the sister of Edgar the Atheling mentioned above.Both the Scottish and English royalty have descended from Waltheof to the present day.
Malcolm III, the 85th King of Scotland greeted Siward Barn the White (his cousin) with great kindness, and together they fought against William the Conqueor, driving him out of Northumbria.An interesting story apparently involves Siward the White Fairbeorn during a battle against England.During this battle, King Malcolm’s horse was killed under him partially crippling him and young Soward fought his way to the King’s side.Passing his left arm around the King’s body under his arms, he reportedly fought his way with a great Sword through the enemy to a place of safety.For his courageous act he was knighted by the King, given land and a castle on the Scottish border, and from that time on was referred to as the Sword of the Strong Arm (or Armstrong).This was how he and his decendants came to inherit the lands of MANGERTON in Liddesdale.
These lands (shown above), known as the Debateable Land, were disputed for centuries by both Scotland and England.As time went on they were protected by neither nation and, as the Armstrongs were of both Anglo and Danish descent, they were entirely different from the Celtic Clans of Northern Scotland.As a result of blood ties and loyalties not unlike those of the Mafia in Sicily some centuries later, these Clans avenged bolld for blood for centuries.In this environment it is not hard to understand how a reputation for plundering, bloodshed, and violence came to be tied to these marauders of the border lands.
Little is said about the Armstrongs after the building of the Mangerton Tower, probably in 1135.Apparently no Chief was immediately recognized until 1300 when Alexander became the first Lord of Mangerton.Stories abound of the enmity between the Armstrongs and their neighbors the Lodrs of Soulis, after being invited to a feast at his castle.The Armstrong Clan flourished, however, and by the early 1500s, the Laird of Mangerton was able to gather 3,000 mounted fighters.One Scottish king said that while there were Armstrong and Elliots on the Border, Scotland was safe.The Armstrongs were ambassadors, earls, knights, farmers and above all, fighters.For example, Gilbert Armstrong, third son of Alexander, the second Lord of Mangerton, a distinguished clergyman and diplomat was the Conon Moray from 1361 to 1375.In 1363 he served as a Commissioner to England for the ransom of King David II of Scotland who was held as aprisoner in England.In all there were ten Lords of Mangerton from Alexander through Archibald Armstrong who was denounced as a rebel in 1603, deprived of his lands in 1610, and executed at Edinburgh.
What happened to change our fortunes so greatly ? James IV of Scotland was on good terms with the Scottish Border chiefs and he regularly visited and was entertained by them.His son, James V of Scotland, on the other hand, ruled by decree from distant Edinbaugh and did little to protect his Border subjects or support them against repeated English incursions.In fact, in 1530, James V, with some 8000 men at arms surged into the borderlands and the betrayal of the Armstrongs began.Johnnie Armstrong, Laird of Gilnockie, was a much beloved nad highly respected member of the Armstrong Clan, who James V invited to parlay.Accepting the King’s invitation, he and 50 of his men went to meet with the King in good faith.Instead, they were seized and summarily executed.This incendiary act outraged the Armstrongs and their allies and set the Borders ablaze with rage and indignation – increasing the violence and bloodshed it was intended to suppress.At the prodding of the King, the Church also entered the fray and the Armstrong’s and other Border reivers were cursed by the Church excommunicated enmasse.The Armstrongs, with other Borderers, were thus left to their own devices so far as mutual self-defense was concerned.
Receiving neither aid nor comfort from the Scottish or from the English Crowns, the Armstrongs and other Border clans were forced to become makers of their own laws and protection.After Edward I of England slaughtered a thousand of Scots at Berwick, self-defense and preservation became their paramount endeavor.The Borderers were forced to become the best in what had become a profession – a greater thief (raider) did never ride was one complimentary description of an Armstrong.Jock O’Syde, in Liddesdale.They would raid by night and attend Carlisle Market by day, greeted by all who knew them.Unable to do more than bare subsistence farming, the cupboard was frequently bare.When the lady of the house served her Laird a pair of spurs on a plate, this meant it was time to ride and raid the other side of the Border yet again.
The bloodshed and violence continued.In 1603, Elizabeth I died and James VI of Scotland (James I Of England) was declared her heir.After a splendid coronation at Westminister Abbey, James settled down to life at the English Court.One of his highest priorities was the suppression of the Border families like the Armstrongs, as he was afraid that their incursions would make him unpopular in England.As a result, he established powerful landlords in the Debateable Land around Liddesdale and Eskdale, and appointed Sir William Cranston to put to death all within two miles of the border.A large number of Armstrong reivers were tortured and hung at the Market Cross in Edinburgh, at Carlisle and no doubt on a number of local gibbets.The last Armstrong raid of any importance took place in 1611 and for it, Lance Armstrong of Whithaugh – along with others – was executed a year later.Cranston generated the first forced migrations to Ireland and the subsequent Undertaking of the Plantation of Ulster in 1608.In the 18th century, farms were merged and more migrations followed.
The Armstrong lands of Mangerton passed into the hands of the Buccleuchs.Many members of the once powerful Armstrong Clan were shipped off to Ireland, including Johnnie Armstrong’s grandson, William who settled in Fermanagh.Thus, many who had survived found themselves on the Solway shore waiting for emigrant ships to take them from an inhospitable homeland.Homeless, leaderless, and sometimes penniless, they went westward to Ireland and North America, and south to Australia and New Zealand in search of new beginnings.Perhaps the most famous descendent of the Fermanagh Armstrongs was Neil Armstrong, the Americam astronaut and the first human to set foot on the moon during the Apollo 11 mission in 1969.
The dissolution and dispersal of the Armstrongs followed some two hundred years of Border brigandage and treachery, ending in the depopulated areas and vast estates of the present day Whithaugh, Mangerton and Gilnockie, which had at one time been the Clan’s greatest strongholds.A proud and courageous family had been reduced to a smattering of broken men.The Armstrongs have been scattered and now have neither chief nor recognized leader.However, as individuals the Armstrongs have survived and have lived up to their clan motto of ” Invictus maneo “or” We Remain Unvanquished. ”

P.S. According to recent DNA Testing, The Armsrongs are not related to the Fairbairns. This is according to Lorna Henderson. Someday we will have our own clan, without being part of the Armstrong clan.

Robin Hood is sometimes said to be the Earl of Huntington. Perhaps he is the son of The Fairbairn Earl of Huntington by another woman. I have found evidence online to support this theory.

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https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/irwin/about/background James M. Irvine an admin of Irwin group has done extremely excellent research in linking of Armstrong, Elliot, Fairbairn, and Irwin variant names with Y-DNA. CLAN IRWIN SURNAME DNA STUDY For the background, goals, analyses, development and findings of this Study see www.clanirwin-dna.org James Irvine Study Administrator jamesmirvine@hotmail.co.uk

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https://www.familytreedna.com/public/elliott?iframe=ycolorized Though the FTDNA Armstrong, do not seem to want to claim us, and you Rich Rucker with all those Y-DNA Armstrong matches, I can not seem to understand why. See you match an Elliot and a Holt. How about sticking with me, instead of that other Elliott. Now Rich Rucker hopefully you will not think of joining those Hoyt. Would you believe Rich, I was even kicked off the FTDNA Elliot(t) site.

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/RUCKER%20Family%20DNA%20Project?iframe=yresults Rich, no one really wants to group an Armstrong-Elliott combo. By not grouping we still ended up in the same group. That of the UNGROUPED. Can’t keep the Armstrong and Elliott apart can they?

Where is Rich Rucker?

The elwand-Elwald, and rücker-Ruecker, we measure and regulate.

above brothers (plural) & R-S16361 instead of R-S1636 leaving out the ‘1’. https://elwald.com/almas-moms-mtdna-h27a-16129a-16316g-263g-315-1c/

László Varsányi, If you have red hair in your family, it would be a strong indicator of viking in the family. My brother, grandma, and aunt on dad’s side had red hair, and 1st cousin on mom’s side had it. Irish say the Vikings carried the red hair and a strong concentration is in the directions where your R-DF110, and R-L2 matches are from. A R-L2 from Switzerland at bottom of list is in the redhair group; https://www.familytreedna.com/public/RedHairVariants?iframe=yresults so it is likely some Viking from east north east migrated towards Hungry.

My dad had brown hair, but really, he had a red color in his hair. It was especially visible when the sun came on. My sister was born blond and I was black when I was born. My sister’s hair was tanned, mine was also enlightened. (I think it is come from my mother’s effect is black hair). My father was blue-eyed, my mother was brown-eyed, I became green-eyed.

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Note; the Viking Danes as opposed to the Viking Norwegians-Swedes which went to Italy, did not seem to carry the red hair gene, but it looks like they were strong in the R-U152 DNA. So it seems this group did not spread red hair, but did spread the R-U152 DNA. It could be since the red hair seems to be found downstream to R-L2, that is where the gene may be found. My Y-DNA a R-U106, came from Denmark now Germany to East Anglica as Germanic-Danes.

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“My father was blue-eyed, my mother was brown-eyed, I became green-eyed” http://cogweb.ucla.edu/ep/Frost_06.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ANNHMzmxlI Garrett Hellenthal – The Genetic History of the United Kingdom: the POBI project DNA Lectures – Who Do You Think You Are Published on Jun 9, 2015 https://www.peopleofthebritishisles.org/ Though historians, may denounce the math, and genetics, to maintain their histories, international staff of genetic sciences, with stringent sampling procedures, utilizing autosomal DNA, and most importantly, without surnames, making it non-linguistic in nature and maintaining the math-science of the genetics were able to produce at extreme cost the top genetic study for the People of the British PoBI Isles. Science properly used can correct unjust histories which are supported by false science and mathematics. There is a lot of math which looks high level some because it utilizes extended significant digits, others go beyond understanding, and do not have any application to that of genealogy, but for those ignorant in mathematics, in order to try to establish themselves as high level thinkers, agree in unison with the math which only shows there true level of understanding by one which knows how to apply it. A true teacher with knowledge of the subject of applied math, can see this right away. Genealogy is not rocket science, and if the math is too complicated to understand, then it does not apply to genealogy. 1. Family knows best. What do I know about someones family unless I am informed by that family. The importance of a outside individual is to give another angle in which to look at the family tree. 2. Listen to the opposite sex. Because they give you another angle to look at your own family from. 3. Do not through out the in-laws. In-law are likely to disagree, but their input will be important in the long run. 4. Families fight, and likely both are right. When family fight, a lot of times because they think closely alike, both solutions which are seemly different to ones of the same family become part of the final solution. 5. If genealogy is done properly, one does not get to choose their own ancestors. Guess we all are stuck at birth with the ones we have. Like the ladies say; YOU CAN DO DNA For your own family, you are the most likely, the one to get it correct.

No manner what the knowledge level or age is, if they are of family, and give information on family they are always in some way correct. There is after awhile very little information provided by others going further back in time, so a true family genealogists takes what they can get. The base information which is not to be changed by others is the information one receives from their immediate family, like a daughter or son being passed family genealogical historic information from mother and/or father. From this base information one should create a GED file using independent from corporation software, then seed it into a corporate autosomal DNA site which the ladies have provided in the chart, the let it grow. For accuracy run them through https://www.familysearch.org/en/, https://www.familysearch.org/de/, https://www.familysearch.org/pt/ (did not find Hungarian) a religious Later Day Saint (Mormon), site based on baptism into the church after death. Figure, Brigham Young, and I have all these Border Reiving ancestors, it certainly could not hurt. Brigham Young was for women’s suffrage in Utah about a year after Wyoming of 1869. Because he had many wifes, the US government did not seem to allow it. This site may help cleaning of extra relatives which may not be family. It’s approach is how it should be, is that DNA is a tool of genealogy, and an assistance to finding ancestors. Y-DNA is a great tool, and when integrated with other forms of genealogical practices such as census surname-place name correlation makes it even a greater tool. The ladies of the Later Day Saints, are correct to utilize autosomal DNA these days, in the finding of family ancestors.

One thing dad taught me is that you do not forget the lady. One can not find a family genealogist better than cousin Margaret. We are less than a year apart; https://elwald.com/clan-elliot-29th-chief-margaret-eliott-of-redhuegh-stobs/ (accept for the Class of 41 photos, grandma Ilah Spencer, took the photos on a Kodak of Rochester, New York, Brownie box camera)

23andMe also picks up just north of Slovakia in Poland, mom’s dad’s family would be in autosomal DNA. Her father Stephen Peter Barna, of Solvakia. Like

https://forebears.io/surnames 23andMe, seems to be accurate down my mtDNA line with surnames Croak and surname Smith being from County Lancashire, England migrating to the Dublin area. Surname Smith likely Anglicized from the German, came into Suffolk, East Anglia, migrated across, to Dublin from County Lancashire, England, when Ireland was Anglicizing from their Gaelic names.

https://nvk.entless.org/mapbox/1890:kj%C3%A4r,1890:kjer,1890:kjaer https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/antiquity/article/people-of-the-british-isles-project-and-viking-settlement-in-england/54E19CAFF9AC2BEB39EAEC826BEDBC63 https://images.theconversation.com/files/75269/original/image-20150318-2502-hwp2kw.png?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&q=45&auto=format&w=1000&fit=clip Am elk (moose) of woods. In order to have an elk (moose) of woods, there must be an elk (moose) of the thickets, which basically the name Kjaer means thickets and symbolized by an elk (moose). Have Y-DNA similarities with them.

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101829 Elwald de Schinkel Germany R-S16361; https://www.familytreedna.com/public/scarborough?iframe=yresults https://named.publicprofiler.org/ https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/DNA-distributions..jpg 101829 Elliott Germany R-S16361; https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Gresham_Grissom?iframe=yresults Gresham Castle, Norfolk http://www.heritage.norfolk.gov.uk/record-details?MNF6620-Gresham-Castle http://www.gatehouse-gazetteer.info/English%20sites/1959.html 101829 Germany R-S16361; https://www.familytreedna.com/public/CaveFamilyHistorySocietyDNA?iframe=yresults North and South Cave, East Riding Yorkshire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Cave https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Cave Those ladies which do not have that Y-DNA, are sure surpassing those people with that Y-DNA. All of the above information is except map localities is information presented to me by FTDNA to utilize for my genealogical research. The 29th (29 generations) chief is Margaret Eliott, and through research branch into her at Robert Elwald 9 of 10. Information given to me by FTDNA, is that at 29 https://elwald.com/clan-elliot-29th-chief-margaret-eliott-of-redhuegh-stobs/ generations matching 12 markers exactly is the same as matching 37 markers exactly. Do I take the information provided by FTDNA being totally incorrect? FTDNA FAQ states that having many exact markers at the 12 marker level goes extends beyond adoption of surnames. Do I take the information provided by FTDNA being totally incorrect? Place or locality names are known way to find were the name originated, when it correlates with another standard, census surname density, the the correctness of surname is insured. Since my surname Elwald of Proto-Germanic Y-DNA R-U106, has a strong Norfolk, genealogical locality, along with Scandinavian density, and FTDNA East Anglia Y-DNA density. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Norfolk-Suffolk-1.png https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Bec-Beck-Hall-is-very-close-to-Gresham-Castle-in-Norfolk-England..jpg https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Elwald-of-Schinktlef.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beck_Hall “An early resident of Bec was Alanus Elfwold (1248).” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rimington History -“The village was listed in the Domesday Book as ‘Renistone’. The name Boulton (Bolton) is listed in land deeds of 1302, and Robert Elwald son of Alan listed 1304.” https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/U106-1024×494.jpg https://www.familytreedna.com/public/east_anglia?iframe=yresults https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/PoBI-Viking-settlement-in-England-by-Jane-Kershaw-Ellen-C.-Royrvik.pdf Not accepting research with a strong foundation shows why the non-Y-DNA people are doing the superior research as far as family genealogy is concerned.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/30/Summarised_map_of_occurrences_of_Hungarian_tribe_names_%28according_to_the_settlement_names%29.jpgLászló Varsányi, Name seems to be the best example to demonstrate mechanics, of incorporating Y=DNA and surname linguistic into the genealogy. Not English names which I need for demonstration. “According to family tradition, I’m from Huba. If this is true, Huba R1b. My theory was that Huba was a Viking. Maybe Hungarian Huba (let’s call it Huba 1). ” western Hungry. Locality distribution, with name Huba, plus being passed down family line, will take it as correct. With multiple (3) R-L2 in eastern Hungry feel this first statement quite correct. Look behind to the east of western Hungry, like my family looked to the east from Iowa, USA for their ancestors. This process works for Hungry as well as Iowa, USA. László https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ladislaus_I_of_Hungary From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia “László (Hungarian pronunciation: [ˈlaːsloː]) is a Hungarian male given name and surname after the King-Knight Saint Ladislaus I of Hungary (1077–1095). Other versions are Laslo, Lazlo, Lessl or Laszly. The name has a history of being frequently anglicized as Leslie. “Ladislaus” may have been derived from the Slavic version of the name, Vladislav. It is the most common male name among the whole Hungarian male population since 2003.” https://nyilvantarto.hu/hu/ Dynasty Árpád dynasty need to stop for now “Origin of the Árpád House – III. Testimony of King Bela’s Bones – Hungarian Natural Science” a lot of material for someone not familiar with Hungry to search.

As far as genealogy is concerned this has gone viral; https://www.rootstech.org/video/you-can-do-dna Meet the Your DNA Guide Team https://www.yourdnaguide.com/about LEEDS METHOD in using autosomal DNA to find ancestry; Also their presentation of the Leeds Method; (Ancestry’s Colored Bars) https://www.yourdnaguide.com/leeds-method i4GG 2018 Conference speaker “Dana Leeds worked with DNA at the University of Oklahoma Health Sciences Center in the early 1990s while earning a degree in biology education. While helping with a case of unknown parentage in the summer of 2018, Dana developed an innovative method for sorting DNA matches that has proven helpful to those researching brick wall ancestors as well as those working with unknown parentage cases.” The Leeds Method with Ancestry’s Colored Dots May 19, 2019 Dana Leeds; https://www.danaleeds.com/the-leeds-method-with-dots/

https://www.google.com/search?q=az+photo+radar&rlz=1C1AVNA_enUS566US566&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj5kZ7PpNDjAhXOXc0KHYpKBL4Q_AUIFCgE&biw=1280&bih=612#imgrc=Fnb3te-FImAtJM: https://www.elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Loren-S-WWII-USS-MO-MAK.jpg https://www.wmicentral.com/news/county_news/legislature-passes-bill-to-end-photo-radar-only-two-cities/article_6676cdc0-ed1f-11e5-934b-0f93070897c9.html Genealogy is about family, a hobby which family can share in. My father Loren Spencer Elliott got me interested in family history in 1965 on a trip to Salem, Massachusetts. He was on the first warship after the hospital ship The Hope, lifting anchor next to the Arizona, the CVE-91 USS MAKASSAR STRAIT ‘Mighty Mak’ to leave Pearl Harbor when the treaty was signed on the ‘Mighty MO’, behind him in Japan, now ported at Pearl. He at about 90 was getting tickets from AZ Photo Radar. After my brother Bob died visited him at Leisure World in Mesa, AZ, and on the way back was ticketed. Concurred with the numbers the city manager prosecutor (County Fermanagh, Ulster, Ireland, surname) gave as provided by Redflex Corp. out of Melbourne (Scottish name), Australia. The judge a Little surname shares R-L193 with Elliott, and Crozier, and comes from a misspelling of Liddel in Liddel Water where these families are from. Though the AZ Dept of Public Safety used accuracy in their hand held radar guns, Redflex may have had it in there, but in the wrong place which made the math incorrect. Retired as a state of Arizona employee like the highway patrol, was quite insulted that someone did not learn proper mathematics, having taught it and certified at the time to teach it in Arizona schools. FTDNA shows similarities in their TIP calculator, with input of one significant figure, and an answer with four significant figures to the type of math Redflex Corporation uses. Judge Dorothy Little, judged in my favor.

https://www.fairmormon.org/testimonies/scholars/wade-kotter László Varsányi, Alma School Road and Elliott Road, is an intersection in the Phoenix are of Mesa, and Chandler. The regions settled as the Kotter family to Utah by early Mormons. Alma is a prophet in the Book of Mormon, also used be early Spanish in my region for naming towns and communities such as Alma, Colorado, highest incorporated community in the USA. Alma, Kansas, known for stone, likely named by English speakers, and Alma, New Mexico. Alma in Spanish means soul, in Latin means nourishing. As you should know mom went by Alma Barna Elliott. In the above Alma is a prophet in the book of Mormon. It is to this book which they are referring. The Book of Mormon, by Mormon doctrine rediscovered in Palmyra, NY, is about half way between, Rochester, NY were I met Jocelyn Bell Burnell, a presenter to Freinds General Conference Gathering in 2000 with a women’s rights theme, and Senca Falls, NY where it was first suggested in 1847 in a convention for women to have the right to vote, and the state of the US that of New York in which my mother was born. It should be noted, the the math used by FTDNA in TIP calculation; 30 years (±5, the tens digit is significant) per (/) generation. With only one significant digit of accuracy, they are putting out answers, to the nearest hundredth of a percent, with four significant digits, which is mathematically impossible. https://www.google.com/search?q=Muirhall&rlz=1C1AVNA_enUS566US566&oq=Mu&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i57j69i59l2j69i60l2.2559j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Can read inconsistencies in stats. Dad, was a planning engineer, and I worked as a mining engineer, Neil Armstrong was an engineer, and Herbert Hoover, Quaker, born in Iowa, like me was a mining engineer. Known as an ‘elwand’ measurer, and a ‘rücker’ in German is a regulator. Been kick out of the Armstrong FTDNA, but being an Elwald in their book; https://archive.org/details/chroniclesofarms00arms/page/n13 is a good thing. How long do you think it will take for me to get back into the German group after they censored me out? Have a strong background in applied genealogy, archaeology, linguistics, science, math, graphics, and text and I as Mark Stephen Elliott have this question to ask; Wha Daur Meddle Wi’ Me? http://www.rampantscotland.com/poetry/blpoems_daur.htm (family soldiered the estate of Bothwell the Hermitage Castle ‘Homplace Clan Elliot’, and did not need to be meddled with)

Dear Mr. Mark Elliott! Thank you for your post! Maybe you know, I joined the Yorkshire group because I would like to read yours posts. Anybody said anything, I liked it reading. That’s why I’m here. I understand a lot, some don’t because if you remember I cant speak in English. I use google translate. The translate is Inaccurate. If the text is long and complicated, I am not understand it. If you write a short one, I understand. What do you think of my theory? Best regards and have a nice day, László

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Varsányi László, Próbálja meg megfordítani a tranlációt, így van értelme. Az angolod jól jár, és a német csoportban egy Ausztráliából származó hölgy németbe ment, amit angolra fordítottam azzal a aggodalommal, hogy mit csinál a németben, nekem nagyon jól csinált. That German group does not know who all is online. My preference was the Portuguese speaking Brazilians, with their indigenous American blood. Most migrated from Germany to have indigenous American blood way before Hitler. There was this one a Lecio Gomes, used a translator also, which was from the Dunbar-Cockburn region of the UK, and helped me on this page; https://gorrenberry.com/dunbar-and-cocklaw/ Though we were both seen as being POWs of the Cromwellian Civil war of 1650, the language which my family spok; Anglo-Scottish-English put them in the Colony of Massachusetts, his family felt by way of originally Portuguese then English Barbados ended up in Brazil, as a result of The Battle of Dunbar. https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/dunbar/activity-feed The question is does the genetics write the family history, or does corrupting the math to support a status quo and corporate profits, of the history already written, be the way of the future?

All right I try to switch it. Perhaps It will be better. According to the matches in Y-DNA12 and Y-DNA25 I have. I know I have in my mother line too because 8x grandmother’s family name is Kálnoky but in my father line have a lot of matches. I have a theory that goes against already written Hungarian history. A new theory that I think may be true. There is a family tradition. From father to son. My family comes from Prince Huba. Huba was one of the leaders of the conquering Hungarians. There were seven leaders. There are two versions, but the leader Huba is in both of them (Of the texts available, he took his present written form in the former Anonymus Gesta Hungarorum. The other version is Kézai Simon ). It is important to know that the prince women Emese is the ancestor of the Árpád House, the first Hungarian royal dynasty, according to the Hungarian ancestry. Her husband was probably the chieftain of Ügyek, and his son was the leader of Álmos. Emese’s brother was Huba. From the mother and husband comes the Árpád House. R1a. Az Árpád-ház eredete – III. Béla király csontjainak tanúsága – Magyar Természettudományi Múzeum Blog https://mttmuzeum.blog.hu/2018/08/29/az_arpad-haz_eredete_iii_bela_kiraly_csontjainak_tanusaga According to family tradition, I’m from Huba. If this is true, Huba R1b. My theory was that Huba was a Viking. Maybe Hungarian Huba (let’s call it Huba 1). And another Princ Huba, who is maybe was Fríz: Also there is Ubbe or Huba or Hubba ( written in three forms). (Let’s call it Huba 2). I think it’s the same person. Huba1. = Huba2. Hungarians came from Etelköz. Now the Donetsk region. Kiev … Rus … Viking Rus’ people – Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rus%27_people According to history, Huba2. was there. Correct in time. Ergo. He could meet the Hungarians and be one of the leaders. Viking Age – Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_Age

Do genealogy as a hobby, and for some reason Lucio Gomes, and I really did well together. It could be that he supports Robert the Bruce. It can not be because he is supporting a Texan admin online, with me being from New Mexico. Translated his Portuguese, into English for the FTDNA German blog, and he confirmed it. By a Texan; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Scots-Irish-Americans-come-home-to-Ulster..mp4?_=1

Haw Hawe Hawes https://books.google.com/books?id=84Y7AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA129&dq=%22de+Hawe%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi0z7H0kczjAhUQGc0KHZ97CHYQ6AEIKjAA#v=onepage&q=%22de%20Hawe%22&f=false

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3. Do not through out the in-laws though you may want to. Eliot; “Single L and single T. The Eliots of St. Germans be;” These are your French-English Eliot, which evolve into others spellings with adde ‘L’ and/or ‘T’. https://www.elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/THE-ELLIOTS-BRETONSENGLISHWELSH-AND-SCOTS-KEH.pdf https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2016/07/17/the-earl-of-st-germans–obituary/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_of_St_Germans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Eliot,_10th_Earl_of_St_Germans https://gorrenberry.com/aliot-eliot/ Middle March Clans; Armstrong, Elliot, Nixon and Crozier. Nixon and Crozier rode with the Elliot. Thom(p)sons, Gledennings, and Hunters rode with the Nixons. http://clancrozier.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Nixon-1.jpg The Steel Bonnets; The Story of the Anglo-Scottish Border Reivers by George MacDonald Fraser The Armstrong, Elliot, and Crozier, were able to get a hold of these prized Hunter (in-laws), and settle them from Tyndale England, onto the Scottish side of the border. At the time we were happy to get these English Tyndale rebels resettled on the Scottish side of the border. A Hunter is helping to segregate the south English, St. German (Breton) ‘Eliot’, from those notorious Border Reiving ‘Elliot’, “Double L and single T. The Elliots of Minto and Wolfelee (Hawick pronounced ‘hoik’)”. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Arthur-Eliott-i-insertion1.png (Sir Arthur Eliott; chief Margaret’s father)

Malcolm MacGregor, with wife Fiona Armstrong, and Christopher P. Wilkens with wife Margaret Eliott https://elwald.com/armstrong-gilnockie-and-tower/ https://elwald.com/clan-elliot-29th-chief-margaret-eliott-of-redhuegh-stobs/

Locality in Scotland for the ‘Milhaus/Milhous’ (mill house), 1654 Blaeu map; https://maps.nls.uk/view/00000436#zoom=5&lat=4848&lon=2269&layers=BT

https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/President-Nixon-speaking-with-astronauts-Armstrong-and-Aldrin-on-the-Moon.mp4?_=1 1610 Co Tyrone Muster roll for surname Nixon; https://www.cotyroneireland.com/muster/tullyhogue1610.html

Neil (Gaelic) Alden (Anglo) Armstrong (army strong of Scotland). Mid-westerns, both Neil and myself, are graduate engineers, which utilize a very soft ‘a’ in our pronunciation….it is; ‘…one small step for a man…’. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/50th-Anniversary-of-the-Moon-Landing-English.mp4?_=1

https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Note, the ‘McQuigg’, and ‘McLeod’, are concentrated in Aberdeenshire. May not be a bad location for a golf course.

https://fwsablog.org.uk/2014/09/13/wyoming-pioneer-esther-hobart-morris/ https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-38648877 https://named.publicprofiler.org/ https://books.google.com/books?id=rY1BCwAAQBAJ&pg=PT37&dq=MacQuigg+Clan&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwigq5Se4cPjAhUTa80KHaGKDpQQ6AEIKjAA#v=snippet&q=MacQuigg%20&f=false https://www.clanmacleodusa.org/septs.html Likely, a migration of ‘MacQuigg’ of Lewis Island, northwest Scotland to northeast Scotland as ‘McQuigg’, and to Co Antrim, and Fermanagh, Ulster, Ireland. Her son Donald and I do not believe that wind farms should be placed near archaeological historical culturally ancestral sites like St. Andrews golf course.

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Wyoming Pioneer Esther Hobart Morris https://fwsablog.org.uk/2014/09/13/wyoming-pioneer-esther-hobart-morris/ September 13, 2014 by Jad Adams For the Family Genealogist. 1. Family knows best. 2. Listen to the opposite sex, can not have family without them. 3. Do not through out the in-laws though you may want to. 4. Families fight, but both are likely right, in their own way. 5. If genealogy is done properly one does not get to pick their ancestors. Though July 20th fifty years ago an Armstrong first step on the surface of the moon, my hero has a statue in front of The Wyoming State Capitol. See about a century before men landed on the moon, she brought women the right to vote to the surface of the earth. Remember number 2 above when you do genealogy.

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Rutledge?iframe=ycolorized https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Brain Routledge, Can integrate FTDNA Y-DNA, with surname linguistics, and place name locality, to come up with a pretty good idea where your Routledge family is from. Note, my Ellot (ie Elliot) came from Scotland to Co Fermanagh onto America. Yours likely from County Cumbria to County Yorkshire, if in America, then onto America retaining the Routledge spelling, and not loosing it the ‘o’ by going through County Fermanagh, Ulster, Ireland. Basically the American Rutledge are from Co Fermanagh, the American Routledge are from County Yorkshire.

https://named.publicprofiler.org/ and Google maps Routledge, https://dsl.ac.uk/entry/dost/rout_n_3, like where tower is located on a branch of the River Lyne, previous known as Leven (lightning) Flu, were the ‘Traitors [Ellwood-Ellot ie Elliot(t) included], of Leven’ are from. https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Traitors-of-Leven-map1.png (Kerhopefoot tower, may at the map time belong to the Armstrong, ker is said to mean also fort. Though it is felt the Ker were in region, by 1576 they likely migrated north). Gilsland (ie gully-land), a good place to hide out.

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/irwin/default.aspx?section=yresults Consider Routledge as family. Brian, this shows excellent use of FTDNA resources, by James M. Irvine administrator and long time genealogists about 50 years of experience. In Big-Y, the FTDNA corporation does not inform you if you are of cluster, just testing the downstream SNP in the cluster of one which has done the Big-Y, would save the consumer a lot of unneeded testing, and cost. It is felt because of variants in spellings that the corporations, less likely with FTDNA, and more so with the autosomal; may be adding siblings which may not be there, for corporate profits, unlike the religious based familysearch.org. May get name spellings such as ‘Daniel’ and ‘David’ for the same individual, with the autosomal this may end up with two individuals, instead of a single individual, what familysearch.org, counters.

There is an excellent team of lady genealogical geneticists, out of Brigham Young University, which posted the above autosomal chart from a presentation in Salt Lake City, Utah, USA. Meet the Your DNA Guide Team https://www.yourdnaguide.com/about

Marke Ellot became Mark Elliott https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullykelter_Castle

Mark Elliott

July 15 @ 7:50am

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullykelter_Castle “James and Elizabeth (Hamilton) Somerville James Somerville is of Cambusnethan in Ayrshire, Scotland. James and Elizabeth, by leasing land to native Irish broken the agreement of land ownership, which caused the land which he leased to be forfeited. James and Elizabeth took the Oath of Supremacy, but a lessee Daniel Elliot who was given the position of caulter; purchaser, accountant title the Tullycaulter of Tullykelter, did not take the Oath of Allegiance, a type of loyalty oath for his position of caulter (purchaser-accountant).” note; James Sommervell above son of James Somerville of Tullykelter Castle. Spelling ‘Johnston’, in US most likely from County Fermanagh, Ulster, Ireland. Those ‘Young’ as in ‘Brigham Young’ where ‘Brigham’ (bridge home) of East Riding, Yorkshire, previously border reivers. Young used as in Young Dand [Ellot], because of telling most likely father and son apart. Been called ‘young Mark’, because I looked ‘young’ for my age, the chief did also. Figure it is in our genes, and when we rode for the Bauld Buccleuch, figure we were called ‘Sweet Milk’. Do not tell Jocelyn this but Gowan, is a Gaelicized form of Gavin, which both mine and the chief’s line used. One who purchased Stobs was Gavin, of the Gorrenberry line, for the son of his stepson Gilbert ‘golden garters’, for receiving a sizable dowry for marrying the cousin to the Bauld Buccleuch; Margaret ‘Fendy’ Scot(t) of Hardin. Married into the old Walt of Hardin line, which a George Fox influenced in c.1657 entering Scotland a part of to become Quaker, and were imprisoned in Edinburgh. That must have been one of the worst things for the Old Walt of Harden family line to do in about 1657 to become Quaker (La Prision d’Édimbourg Walter Scott Furne, Pagnerre, Perrotin, 1858 -page 43 of 530 pages) Though Gilbert’s mother is suppose to be the Bauld Buccleuch’s sister, lets say we had a chief which played around on the Bauld Buccleuchs sister, with a Margaret Kidd from Slaughtree, upstream from Larriston, on the Liddel Water, also feuded with those nice Armstrong, as in ‘Lock the Door Larriston’, ‘the Armstrongs are flying’, which mentions Mangerton, and Gorrenberry in one version together. People do not believe the Elwald line exists, so I get to play ‘The Cowie of Gorrenberry’. The Cowie; Andrew (Dand the Cowie) as a fugitive would visit his second son Clementis Hobs (ie Clement Crozier’s sister’s son) the notorious thief of Liddesdale in Gorrenberry, so my family made up this story about this ‘Cowie’ to protect him. Hope I will not get in trouble for family making up a story of a ‘Cowie’ to protect family. His first son Andrew (Dand the Cow) Burgess of Selkirk turned out alright. Clementis/Clement’s Hobs had two sons; Robert Ellot Baillie for Sir John Hamilton, of Armagh, family likely died in Irish Rebellion of 1642, and second son Andrew (Dand/Daniel) of Tullykelter, exile from both kingdoms in 1607 in Tullykelter, Fermanagh, Ireland by 1610. Then name ‘Steele’, comes from a region between chieftain lands of Redheugh, and Larriston, where the main clan of the Nixon are from. The top supporters of Catholic Marie Stuart Queen of Scots, where Armstrong, Elliot, and Nixon, which son take by Protestants, James VI of Scotland becoming king of England on death of ‘virgin’ Queen Elizabeth exiled like my family or exterminated them for a making of ‘The Middle Shire’, where the border people once lived. Very few of the Peel Towers making a border between two kingdoms still exist, and the Borders moved on to County Fermanagh, Ulster, Ireland, where the Brexit-EU border could have towers placed.

http://salem.lib.virginia.edu/n106.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullykelter_Castle “but a lessee Daniel Elliot who was given the position of caulter; purchaser, accountant title the Tullycaulter of Tullykelter, did not take the Oath of Allegiance, a type of loyalty oath for his position of caulter (purchaser-accountant).”

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-8979-6QBV?i=22&cc=2061550&cat=74325 Note familysearch.org which catalogs; FHL Family History Library, Salt Lake City, Utah, and the FHC Family History Center, Mesa, Arizona. Religious, which has to me shown genealogical superiority to corporate, because they are not distorting their mathematics for corporate profits, utilize higher standards in privacy, based on research where forms of DNA are added as tools.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jocelyn_Bell_Burnell Stephanie Ray, Do not allow this lady from Armagh County, Ulster, Ireland cause you any problems, though she was schooled at a Quaker girls school in York (The Mount School, a Quaker girls’ boarding school in York, England ‘Wikipedia’). With the Bauld Buccleuch in 1596, our families were in on a rescue of Kinmont Willie Armstrong. By Robert Bell; ‘Sheep stealers from the north of England’: the Riding Clans in Ulster by Robert Bell Published in 20th Century Social Perspectives, Early Modern History (1500–1700), Features, Gaelic Ireland, Issue 4 (Winter 1994), Volume 2 https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/ https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/HISTORY_IRELAND_Winter1994_pgs.25-29.pdf Robert Bell has published books on Ulster Surnames, which are available at The Family History Library in Utah, and Family History Center in Arizona. Salt Lake City, Utah, USA, Family History Library, Church of Latter Saints The book of Ulster surnames by Robert Bell – FHL SLC, UT https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/403797?availability=Family%20History%20Library Mesa, Arizona, USA, Family History Center, Church of Latter Saints The book of Scots-Irish family names by Robert Bell – FHC Mesa, AZ https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/2796758?availability=Mesa%20Arizona%20FamilySearch%20LibrarySincerely, Mark Stephen Elliott

https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/2346147?availability=Mesa%20Arizona%20FamilySearch%20Library “The Church of Later Day Saints genealogical library in Mesa, Arizona did do a good job of showing where my surname ‘Mark’ came from, but I felt certain that ‘Spencer’ would be a surname included in the information dad contributed. He was living in Mesa, Arizona, USA at the time and I was with him when he contributed the information.” Know a Wade Kotter, BS, anthropoly and archælogy 1972-1978, Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah, USA, the university of The Latter Day Saints. Influential in me leaving the FTDNA German blog. Utah has good schools in education, and am a graduate of a team in-state rival school, the University of Utah, Salt Lake City, Utah (State of Utah school), where the Family History Library of the Church of Later Day Saints is located. https://www.familysearch.org/en/ December 1979, B.S. mining engineering, University of Wyoming, summer 72, B.S. economics, with graduate studies at Indiana University, through the Department of Mathematics, in the eighties. Uniformitarianism GEOLOGY WRITTEN BY: The Editors of Encyclopaedia Britannica https://www.britannica.com/science/uniformitarianism “Uniformitarianism, in geology, the doctrine suggesting that Earth’s geologic processes acted in the same manner and with essentially the same intensity in the past as they do in the present and that such uniformity is sufficient to account for all geologic change. This principle is fundamental to geologic thinking and underlies the whole development of the science of geology.” That the one which utilizes the math, in his analysis is taken as a liar. Nicolas Copernicus, which society finally believes.

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Mark Elliott

July 14 @ 9:23am

https://elwald.com/james-whitley-spencer-tree-dna/ https://elwald.com/almas-lorens-mom-dad-corner-franklin-rush-spencer-genealogy/

This is an example of genealogical conflict. Came to the conclusion; refer to him genealogically as James W. Spencer, because he did not basically use his middle name. One family can refer to the “W.” as Whitney, and the other as Whitley. He’s my father’s mother’s (Ilah) father, and has R-U106>R-L48.

Records; https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/2346147?availability=Mesa%20Arizona%20FamilySearch%20Library Family history of Miles & Maria (Purnell) Mark : of Virginia, Maryland, Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Illinois, Iowa and other points west Statement of Responsibility: compiled by Loren S. Elliott Authors: Elliott, Loren S. (Main Author) Format: Books/Monographs Language: English Publication: [S.l. : s.n.], 1994 Physical: unpaged : geneal charts, ports. Notes Ancestors & descendants includes families of Barnes, Elliott, Fogleman, Hoover, Keenan, Lawrence, Manning, Mark, McCleary, McGinnis, McCarty, Moore, Nichols, Patrick, Sackett, Schofield, Signor, Terwilliger and With. Currently unavailable. View this catalog record in WorldCat for other possible copy locations Copies Call NumberLocationCollection/ShelfAvailability 929.273 M34e Mesa Arizona FamilySearch Library http://arizonabeehive.com/the-mesa-familysearch-library-continues-to-invite-all-to-come-and-find-your-ancestors/ Off-site Storage The Church of Later Day Saints genealogical library in Mesa, Arizona did do a good job of showing where my first-forename ‘Mark’ came from, but I felt certain that ‘Spencer’ would be a surname included in the information dad contributed. He was living in Mesa, Arizona, USA at the time and I from Gallup, New Mexico, USA was with him when he contributed the information.

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https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Mark-and-Mark-S-Elliott-1.png https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Mark-Elliott-farm-Mt-Ayr.png

Genealogy is for family.

https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/2346147?availability=Mesa%20Arizona%20FamilySearch%20Library FAMILY HISTORY IS ABOUT FAMILY https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/21370631/louisa-elliott https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/16772108/william-fletcher-mark https://iowagravestones.org/gs_view.php?id=710859 https://fr.findagrave.com/memorial/197375696/james-r_-elliott Louisa Mark Elliott, is the oldest stone in the Elliott family plot Rose Hill Cementary, Mt. Ayr (Scottish writter Robert Burns homeplace), Ringgold County, Iowa. http://www.iagenweb.org/ringgold/obitht001/obit_e-obit_g/obit-elliottlouisa.html http://iagenweb.org/ringgold/obitht001/obit_e-obit_g/obit-elliottrevsa.html Not interned at Rose Hill, in Mt. Ayr, IA, but interned at Middlefork Cemetery in the same Ringgold County. http://www.iagenweb.org/ringgold/obitht001/obit_e-obit_g/obit_elliottlorenspencer.htm http://iagenweb.org/ringgold/obitht001/obit_e-obit_g/obit_elliottalmabarna.htm Clearview Home, is on land of Emma Ona Rush, and A.W. Elliott the son of S.A. Elliott, which had son Mark (no middle name) Elliott, which had son Loren Spencer Elliott, and which had son Mark Stephen Elliott.

https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Scottish-research-mapping-to-US-reference-8.jpg The co-admin was so bad, he must of chased off the administrator. Argyll Colony, North Carolina Highland Scots Immigration to NC Beginning in 1739 https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/argyll-colony-north-carolina/about Argyll Colony uploads – Gorrenberry https://gorrenberry.com/argyll-colony-uploads/ Mar 31, 2019 – Argyll Colony; Cape Fear NC, name locality map. Above is from Family History Center, Church of Latter Day Saints, Mesa, Arizona. From Gallup, New Mexico, USA, it was acquired, when visiting dad in Mesa, when we were at the library. Dad and I liked to partner in American Contract Bridge League, bridge Tempe, Arizona, and it is liking on way back from a bridge game. Western Conference Top Masterpoint Holders ACBL District 17 Sept 2011 32. Louis Quiggle, Phoenix AZ …………………….. 12,336.75 42. Rosalind Quiggle, Phoenix AZ ………………… 10,689.20 75. Loren Elliott, Mesa AZ ……………………………… 8800.47 Could remember in Tempe, AZ partnering dad, with the Quiggle, playing the opponents, with less than 70 master points. Gallup, New Mexico, USA does not have duplicate bridge about 200 km/130 miles away in Albuquerque, New Mexico. http://www-personal.umich.edu/~copyrght/wca/District%2017.pdf Dad played bridge, and it seems that I do computers and genealogy to keep my mine active. Basic rules I found helpful in family research are; The family knows best. Listen to others, especially of the opposite sex, to make family. Do not in a family search, get rid of the in-laws, though you may want to. Families fight, and likely not just one answer is correct. If genealogy is done properly one does not get to pick their ancestors.

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Mark?iframe=ysnp Want to thank the admin Stephanie Ray again for her support. A lot of graphics are being used of this FTDNA Yorkshire blog. Am U106, R-L48 is downstream. Spencer family of dad, Loren Spencer (mom’s maiden) Elliott are L48. Smith is an mtDNA name, of England, old Yorkshire then Ireland near Dublin. When the Irish went from Gaelic towards the English, some, or should I say a lot used the surname Smith. Sincerely, Mark Stephen (Slavic, mom’s fahter’s name) Elliott

Should be spelled Stephen, male’s version of Stephanie.

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https://forebears.io/surnames?q=Murphy When the Gaelic Anglicize into the Scottish-English, Yorkshire names such as Smith and Murphy, from western England migrated into eastern Ireland, and were adopted, when the Irish Gaelics, adopted the English language. Dad married mom, guess the Elliott in County Fermanagh, Ulster Ireland married the Murphy there also.

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https://www.google.com/maps/place/Armitage,+Rugeley,+UK/@52.7225519,-1.8770758,12.21z/

In French; L’abbaye de Préaux. L’abbaye de Lire. L’abbaye de Saint-Etienne de Caen. L’abbaye de Troarn. Le prieuré de Brieweton. L’abbaye d’Aunai. Le prieuré du Plessis. Le même. Hugues Fils d’Osbert. Les religieuses de Lisieux. L’abbaye de Saint-André de Goufler. Hugues de Laci. https://archive.org/stream/recueildesactesd00grea/recueildesactesd00grea_djvu.txt Note; Eliot (north France) + Ellot (Angus, Scotland) = Elliot note also that “-ton” of Briewe’-ton’ is frequently found in Yorkshire. ‘Osbert’ is dominately, used in northern France as a surname; https://forebears.io/surnames/osbert Mainly Normandy. It is a Norman, name. Le abbaye, The Abbey. Le prieuré, The Parish. de ‘of’. Fils d’, son of. Family arrived in The Colony of Massachusetts (Scots-English speaking Anglican; Gaelic Catholics, sent to plantations in the West Indies), in the 1650’s, name was Daniel Ellot. John Eliot, Puritan of the ministry, French named moved into southwest England of the St. German, ‘Eliot’, apostle to the American Indian, came in on Mayflower, c.1620. Name ‘Ellot’ ‘transported as slaves’ from Ulster, about 1650, Scots Royalists (Anglican, Charles II supporters, sided with Gaelic Scots-Irish Catholic) POW or the UK, Cromwellian Civil War, was changed to ‘Elliot’, by the influences of the French, ‘Eliot’. Before time of separation from England, 1776, the American Revolution, a ‘t’ was added to the name, which made it ‘Elliott’. 25 April 2013‎ Crusoe8181 Crusoe8181 moved page Peregrine Eliot, “10th Earl of St Germans to Peregrine Eliot” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Eliot,_10th_Earl_of_St_Germans And, I had to be descended from a notorious thief of Liddesdale, called Clementis Hobs. Classic and Contemporary PoetryRHYMING DICTIONARY SEARCH AGAINST [OR, AGANIS] THE THIEVES OF LIDDESDALE, by RICHARD MAITLAND “There is ane, callit Clement’s Hob, Fa ilk puir wife reivis her wob, And all the lave, Whatever they have: The devil resave therefor his gob!” http://www.poetryexplorer.net/poem.php?id=10104291 At least with thieves there are records. (Clementis Hob; ie Clement Crozier’s sister’s son Robert Elliott) He had a brother; Andrew (Dand) ‘Dand the Cow’ Burgess of Selkirk. Father; Andrew (Dand) ‘Dand the Cowie’ was implicated in the slaughter of a ‘Hugh Douglas’, the Scott family hid him away in Teviotdale. https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Andrew-Dand-the-Cowie-son-Andrew-Dand-the-Cow.jpg When he came to visit Clementis Hob, in Gorrenberry, just west of The Hermitage Castle, the family made up this story about a ‘Cowie’ to protect him. Hope people will not hold it against me what my family did five hundred years ago; https://books.google.com/books?id=wGJNDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA166&dq=Cowie+Gorrenberry&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiA89uA7ebiAhUKCKwKHWLzCHgQ6AEIKjAA#v=onepage&q=Cowie%20Gorrenberry&f=falseWhen the Cowie, and the Gorrenberry line supposively died off, the Y-DNA was in New England. THE ELLIOTS in SELKIRK http://home.kpn.nl/pu6qs9/ellot_clan.htm (follows the elliots of Wolfelee) In 1688 said to be ‘of the ancient kind'(i.e. descended from Redheugh) James Ellot of Bridgehaugh stated to be a “a brother’s son of the Laird of Horsleyhill”. Disentangling all the Elliots concerned to their exact descent and relationship would be a major undertaking. Instead all the Ellots recorded as BURGESSES, BAILLIES and COMMISIONERS of SELKIRK have been listed. DATES RANGING BETWEEN Andrew (alias Dandie, or Dandie of the Cow) 21/3/1565 – 2/5/1591

http://borderbrighams.weebly.com/origins.html https://www.houseofnames.com/brigham-family-crest Brigham History, Family Crest & Coats of Arms – House of Names The surname Brigham was first found in Yorkshire where they held a family seat from very ancient times, some say well before the Norman Conquest and the arrival of Duke William at Hastings in 1066 A.D. ‘de’/of Brigham a place name becomes surname Brigham.

http://named.publicprofiler.org https://www.google.com/maps/place/Brigham,+Driffield+YO25+8JW,+UK/@54.2033302,-1.4898224,6.99z/ This is for the people of the Later Day Saints, which are researching for ancesters. The people of County Yorkshire, UK which realize that a lot of their surnames are from place names in the region such as ‘Brigham’. The people of the north end of Danish Northumbria, which ended up in the Border Region of Scotland, when in 1320 a border was placed between Scotland, and England. And, the people who came over from Germany-Denmark to Danish Anglia. With a name like Brigham Young, you must also be a Border Scot.

https://www.GEDmatch.com Frank Warner, (group may be interest to this posting made to FTDNA Germany) A269034 Mark Stephen Elliott (lawismarkellot) Andrew ‘Dand’ Daniel ELLIOT GEDmatch Ref: 9087233 : I324 Born: Gorrenberry, Roxburghshire, Scotland Died: Tullykelter, Fermanagh, Ulster, Ireland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullykelter_Castle Family rode with Armstrong. Neil (Gaelic) Alden (Anglo) Armstrong (Scottish; Armestrang-army strong of Scotland). Claims Langholm, Scotland the home of (Bauld) Buccleuch Estates. At 50th anniversity of Neil putting first step on moon; Ancestral Home of the Clan Armstrong Press Release; Gilnockie Tower – Anniversary Weekend. https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Gilnockie-Tower-Anniversary-Weekend-Press-Release-Short.pdf https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/HISTORY_IRELAND_Winter1994_pgs.25-29.pdf

http://named.publicprofiler.org/ Paul Farrar February 26 @ 1:58pm There is a Farrar/Farrow project on FTDNA https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Farrar%20-%20Farrow?iframe=yresults Farrel in Gaelic means barrel. Note spell correction Farra above should be Farrar.

ancestry.com updated comparison. Same autosomal DNA used in all three examples.

Ancestry.com older comparison shows localities of mother’s folks. https://www.google.com/search?q=peace+on+the+border&rlz=1C1AVNA_enUS566US566&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwij_L7zsfXhAhUPTKwKHaO2AqAQ_AUIDigB&biw=1280&bih=568#imgrc=n5ZrDD-wGaTTjM:

myOrigins Walkthrough – Family Tree DNA https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/user-guide/family…myftdna/walkthrough/ myOrigins is a feature of our Family Finder test. This feature provides you with a percentile breakdown of the Genetic Populations to which your autosomal DNA .. Garrett Hellenthal – The Genetic History of the United Kingdom: the POBI project Using ‘autosomal DNA’. Hellenthal (like Hellenthal ‘bright locality’ Germany; a place name in Germany). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ANNHMzmxlI PoBI Genetics https://www.peopleofthebritishisles.org/population-genetics

Hi, Thanks for allowing me to join this group. My name is Craig Foss and I live in New Zealand. I am R-PF76410 on FTDNA and Z41150 on “The Big tree”. My fathers line, Foss comes from the York area, but prior to that we are not sure. We are also unsure if the Devon Foss line is linked to us. Look forward to your thoughts. Cheers/

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Foss is a name of a river, running north of York, Yorkshire. The name foss indicates the river has waterfalls in Norwegian . http://www.yorkshiredalesriverstrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/River-Foss-catchment-map.png This region of Yorkshire is noted for Scandinavian names being apart of Danish Northumbria at one time. The Devon Foss is on the coast very south part of Devonshire. Could be a later by Viking, from the Danish region which named the River Foss going north of York, and likely your surname may have evolved from. In this group finding many surnames which evolve from place names. In Devonshire, likely from and ancient Roman road called the Foss-way, from which the name is derived. http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Gazetteer/Periods/Roman/Topics/Engineering/roads/Britain/_Texts/CODROM/7*.html (html needs to be included)

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Thanks Mark, although I am not clear? So there are also two Foss Rivers?? I had no idea. So the York Foss line/families (probably associated with the River Foss(e) may have Scandanavian heritage. The Devon Foss line/families (possibly also from scandinavin-viking heritage). So the two Foss lines may be related but only after going back to Scandinavian/viking roots? And The Foss Way actually links Lincoln/York with Devon/Devonshire?

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In Devon, it is a Roman Road referred to as Foss-way. The time of Roman roads is previous to surname adoption. This road seems to travel through the region of Devon surname Foss. In Yorkshire there is a River Foss north of York. So Devon is a Roman road named Foss, which would give place name from the road of Foss, and Yorkshire has a river name. Foss north of York which is felt the place where your surname is more likely from. Foss is a Norwegian word for waterfalls, and it seems that the Foss River Yorkshire is noted to have waterfalls, and maybe since Scandinavian names are common for the region the river received its name from having waterfalls.

https://gorrenberry.com/geographic-surname-dna-correlation/ Do not know why people are having such a difficult time with it. Distribution shows that with my Y-DNA people were exterminated on Scottish-English Border. It is lucky Dan Ellot of Scotland was banished from both kingdoms in 1607 and became Daniel Elliott (then Ellot again as more Border Ellot entered region) of Ulster (Northern Ireland), the line would have been genocide if he had stayed on the border. The name formed from the same Y-DNA grouping as the Greham, of Norfolk, at the same time as a previous name of Elwald which evolved into Ellot, in Liddesdale, Scotland about the time of the Reformation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullykelter_Castle https://elwald.com/peace-on-the-border/

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Sizergh_Castle_Westmoreland_and_Notes_on/GfM1AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1 Strickland married to Parr. Could it be a form of Pharr-Farr?

https://www.nmrs.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/iron.jpg Iron deposits UK map; Need coal and iron, to produce steel and the surname Farrar. http://www.therjhuntercollection.com/resources/muster-rolls-c-1630/search-muster-rolls/ All Farrar seem to be related. The English among them rather then be associated with the Argyll, name Farrar, if of Strickland, Ireland, near Coalisland, where there are found English in 1630 in Dungannon region, may have been referred to a farrar, coming from Yorkshire, an English, but farrar seems to be used in Argyll, Gaelic region, may have wanted to be identified as being English, instead of Gaelic Scot, and since unique as an English in this region may have taken the surname English. Something the surname English among the Farrar may want to consider. The Farrar name is the base name an most likely evolve into Farra and Farrar. Migration from the Yorkshire region could easily influence this. It is difficult to find many match groups, in a group of 200, but since regional locality is being used, it seems to happen with the Farrar surname. It should be noted within the Yorkshire group, a lot of surnames are place names. If your surname like Farrar which is occupational, and locality of a steel worker would likely correlate well where coal and iron in England, but to get a place name locality, would be to search your exact matches at twelve markers. At the time of 12 markers surname adoption for the region about 28 generations, it makes the 12 marker test about as good as 37 markers exact. When searching 12 marker exact matches, the data base is to large to look at the whole, it can be broken up by using an alphabetical search. First search names which start with A, then B, and so on, this will break the data base size down where it can be handled. Was able for myself come up with Gresham of Norfolk, England, and Cave of North and South Cave of East Riding, Yorkshire. After you find those names which have match you Y-DNA, then is seems like about the best census surname concentration program to use; http://named.publicprofiler.org/, another which I use is; https://forebears.io/surnames Then one need to find map location. Bing and Google maps are good, and finding that being two different companies, use different town names. Also it helps to use both search engines to get different view points on the same topic. People are first from a place before it becomes a surname. So in quotes, with the English language, it helps to search “de surname”, were “de” is from. Google books is a good area to search in this fashion. It like putting a drop of food colo(u)ring in water, the concentration of the drop is were it first went in, and the census concentrations seems to correlate. In the Yorkshire a lot of surnames were form and spread at lower concentration from the region.

There is a person in both the Yshire and Farrar projects named English who has tested positive for SNP R-Y28816. That is the currently known immediate upstream SNP of R-YP5905. The tables don’t show any negative tests; so I can’t see if that person tested negative for R-YP5905. If he did, then he would be a member of the immediate outgroup of the R-YP5905 clade. He also has a very close match to the Farrars in Y-STRs. Earliest ancestor is given as Strickland English in Vermont, USA. So it is likely that he is from a separate migration.

There was also a family of Farrars who went to Massachusetts in the 1620s(?). They were distant cousins of the Virginia Farrars. I don’t know of any that have had their Y tested. That would be interesting.

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One of the MA Farrars was accused in the Salem witch trials, but hid out until the hysteria died down.

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Direct Y-DNA descendant of Daniel Elliot who left testimony in defense of Elizabeth Proctor. https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Daniel-Elliot-Salem-1692-testimony-1024×811.jpg Elizabeth was with child and lived but her husband John was hung, as in Arthur Miller’s play The Crucible. A group has the Daniel Cluster-Y-DNA from the 1st son, and I am descended from the 6th son. When two male lines of Y-DNA start with a single individual then it is referred to as a Y-DNA branch point where the Y-DNA supports both the lines of genealogy. Dad took the family from Iowa, to Salem, MA, and NY Worlds Fair in 1965, having done the genealogy on it. Step-mother to Daniel; Sarah in PBS Three Sovereigns for Sarah had two of her sisters hung as witches. Elliot family moved onto Salem End, now West Framingham, with Sarah and her husband Peter. This land was set aside for refugees of the Salem Trials in 1693. Doing genealogy through the Salem witch trials humbles oneself, where you realize when someone tells you about their family you accept and apply, an take a far off stab at it to bring in a more accurate answer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%86lfwald_I_of_Northumbria Of the Elioth shield of a Gorrenberry line, previous to the Eliott Stobs family. It is consider the ancient shield, the coin of Saxon King Elwald I use is earlier. Gawin-Gavin is a family name of both lines of Stobs, and Gorrenberry.

Am co-admin of the North Carolina, Argyll Colony FTDNA group, and the admin she got me interested in it because her husband’s mother is an Armstrong, and us Elliott we follow those Armstrong, even at the time of Gilnockie which got us hung. The admin dropped out. It is just like those Armstrong leaving us Elliott holding the bag. Anyway there is this Connell in the group, with R-M173, and the only way I can figure that Y-DNA can make it to Argyll Scotland, then to the Argyll Colony of North Carolina, if it travels up through Anglia, as R-M343, being of the same Y-DNA group as John Pickering. That is a way Y-DNA can be utilized as a tool by a genealogist. So suggest he test the R-M343 SNP.

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https://www.google.com/maps/place/Pickering,+UK/@54.2451583,-0.7958321,14z/ http://named.publicprofiler.org/ First want to thank Richard Wade for bringing up Middleton (-ton; farmstead-town). Misplaced it’s location as Middleton-On-The-Wolds. In looking for Middleton County found it near Pickering. Since surname census concentration mapping correlates with place name, it can be taken the Pickering name was given to those people from Pickering, Yorkshire. Will be utilizing Y-DNA as a tool with this name.

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People may wonder how far back one can go with autosomal DNA, using a GED file upload tree, and a moderated autosomal DNA match. If you have a sizable family tree convertible to a GED file, autosomal DNA, is a way to go to find family matches on ancestry.com.

FTDNA is Family Tree DNA, it’s object is to find family, DNA is a tool of the genealogist to find family, and DNA has it’s branches. It is felt since autosomal, reaches back down all lines, instead of the male or female line like Y-DNA, or mtDNA, mainly used by FTDNA, it’s capacity to find the family tree should be known, so people can realize what Y-DNA, down the Anglo-European surname, and mtDNA, down the indigenous American clan-ship, are used for. Including a graphic which is included of the four types of DNA, though autosomal is used in preference to X-DNA, so people can understand the differences, and the uniqueness in use of Y-DNA, and mtDNA.

Sharon Cheatwood, Seems like name Henry Pybus is used in Kirby Fleetham, with they is school there where you may ask for info, and they may be able to further direct you. 31 Forge Ln, Kirkby Fleetham, Northallerton DL7 0SA, UK 8CWP+45 Kirkby Fleetham, Northallerton, UK kirkbyfleetham.n-yorks.sch.uk +44 1609 748431 https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3AHenry~%20%2Bsurname%3APybus~%20%2Bfilm_number%3A207549 If you could contact the school they may know someone of the name, or a town family historian, which could help disclose if you are looking in proper direction. This would place you ahead of the online researchers, and likely you give you proper direction. They may also have a church historian, which this school is associated with.

http://named.publicprofiler.org/ https://books.google.com/books?id=rAOplRRDg5QC&pg=RA1-PA132&dq=Medd,+Yorkshire&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjtkvvw6eneAhXG34MKHVXyCKkQ6AEINTAC#v=onepage&q=Medd%2C%20Yorkshire&f=falseRobert Medd, Rare name, but has definite locality in Yorkshire, between Middlesbrough, and York. Example; 6 July 1624 a Thomas Medd and Jane Watson marryed, Hackness which is in region described. Seems like a publication to research your other names in also.

Thank you Mark! You have confirmed what I have been finding over the years. I have a well-researched (old school style) family tree for Medds going back to 1600 in Rosedale, but so far I have not been able to make the connection with my ancestry. I am back to 1760 in Pickering area.

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Pybus Surname Definition: This surname is derived from a geographical locality. ‘of the pyke-busk’, i.e. the bush on the pike, that is, the hill. … The surname is a Yorkshire one, and with the entry below no other interpretation can be accepted.forebears https://books.google.com/books?id=MwMdAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA628&dq=pyke+busk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwirpceehMDdAhWi2YMKHdJFA7EQ6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q=pyke%20busk&f=false http://named.publicprofiler.org/

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Garrett Hellenthal – The Genetic History of the United Kingdom: the POBI project https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ANNHMzmxlI (Autosomal Saxon DNA Germany/Denmark to Anglia-England a small inclusion) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenthal (helen “bright”, tal/thal “valley”) The People of the British Isles Project and Viking settlement in England Jane Kershaw (Ker-shaw; grove where Ker live, or cherry grove) https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kershaw+Farm/@53.5454355,-2.4557184,8.33z/ and Ellen C. Røyrvik (red bay) Surname distribution indicates; http://worldnames.publicprofiler.org/ Given my time dating for Elwald de Schinkel Germany/Denmark near Hereby, and the Y-DNA’s of I-M253, I-M223, and R-U106, of the three “admixtures”, “Anglo-Saxon”, “PoBI”. and “Danish Viking” peaking at about 700, 850, and 1050 AD respectfully. With personal to surname retention, and the I-M “Viking” style of Y-DNA which traveled with my R-U106 Y-DNA, it is felt that the “Danish Viking” admixture, containing similar Y-DNA structures of previous admixtures; “Anglo-Saxon and PoBI”, best fits my own Y-DNA genealogical family tree. https://ora.ox.ac.uk/objects/uuid:170414e8-8789-4e53-9863-a50429013af4/download_file?file_format=application/pdf&safe_filename=PoBI_comment_REVIEW3_accept.pdf&type_of_work=Journal%20article For the Y-DNA of East Anglia there are a good number of people in the I-M253, I-M223, and the R-U106 groups. https://www.familytreedna.com/public/east_anglia?iframe=yresults

https://www.peopleofthebritishisles.org/population-genetics I’M THE ONE FROM GERMANY, WHICH CAME THE BACK WAY. https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Gresham_Grissom?iframe=ycolorized https://www.familytreedna.com/public/CaveFamilyHistorySocietyDNA/default.aspx?section=yresults “The main place that you will see matches with many different surnames is the Y-DNA12 Marker Matches section. The time to a common ancestor for these matches may extend beyond genealogical records and the adoption of surnames.” FTDNA https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/user-guide/y-dna-myftdna/y-matches-page/ Like utilizing FTDNA data to come up with results. Here giving the results shows it is almost 100% that my Y-DNA at time of surname adoption is near the North Sea, in today’s England. The results can be utilized by others. Am of the Armstrong – Elliot Border Reiver culture where we like to pitch-in and help out, but a lot of people seem to not understand the basis of the concepts we apply, and therefore consider them incorrect. The Scottish ideology utilized in geology indicates what happens today has happen in the past. If one uses an applied mathematical solution today, and in the past people will think you presented a falsehood, but over time as more began to understand your basic mathematical precepts applied to genealogy, integrating, surname-place names along with Y-DNA correlation to find location and Y-DNA area where a specific Y-DNA was at the time of surname adoption, gives the locality at this time of ones forefather. Given the number of R-U106 in the East Anglia group, which is far higher in percentage of Elliott concentrated to the north. This given that R-U106 is noted as being Proto-Germanic, give that their is a high likelihood that my Y-DNA entered into East Anglia. The Cave are from Yorkshire, and thought the group may be interested in this form of problem solving in figuring out that at the time of surname adoption, would be near a coast of the North Sea.

For ones own used extra SNP do not mean much. For the above the Gresham are R-L21 and I am R-U106, but we match exactly on the first 12 markers. It is felt that by doing the Big-Y that you may be subjected to an highly educated genetic modeling psuedo genealogist superceding family genealogy, by usurping you data, which you have purchased, to desecrate established family genealogy which you have already established. Though have utilizied another vialble lab to receive downstream SNP, FTDNA does not accept it. A number of people in the Daniel Cluster have tested downstream, and I in my testing is on a separate branch, though, having instructed at secondary level math-sci-computers, and second generation genealogists utilizing in 1972 LDS genealogy library Salt City, Utah while living there, am being referred to as purposely giving false information by Wikitree.

Note; elwald.com and gorrenberry.com are a couple of genealogical domains which are strong on receiving hits I own and operate and published to, and because I administrate the admin does not kick me off them.

Brian Routledge My Y-DNA SNP FTDNA#101829, Yseq#4069 M269>U106 (FTDNA#101829)>S12025>FGC12040>S16361>A6722 (Yseq#4069) Another individual in my cluster Daniel Elliot testimony to the Salem Trials, had Big-Y by FTDNA, and noted as S16361. FTDNA has not and by all indications does not transfer data from Yseq. Since S16361 is downstream from U106, by testing positive for S16361, will gain S12025>FGC12040> in between, and will show S16361 as someone else having the Big-Y test, without doing the Big-Y. Hopefully you will understand that Yseq is a viable lab, and testing positive for S16361 like someone already in the Daniel Cluster will show viability towards FTDNA also.