Яркая долина
https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Hellenthal
https://www.google.com/maps/place/53940+Hellenthal,+Germany/@50.4186222,6.3085769,11z/
Download Portable ScreenHunter Free 5.1.147 (softpedia.com)
http://home.kpn.nl/pu6qs9/ellot_clan.htm
The reason I present the screen is that different people get different screens. In genealogy on needs to research in the language of their ancestors or find someone who can. They are looking for new information which ties into their family lines. To teach technique though I try to use other families, on techniques of family. One is for the best research biased towards their own family.
Причина, по которой я представляю экран, заключается в том, что разные люди получают разные экраны. В генеалогии нужно исследовать язык своих предков или найти кого-то, кто может. Они ищут новую информацию, которая связана с их семейными линиями. Обучать технике хотя я стараюсь использовать другие семьи, на техники семьи. Одним из них является лучшее исследование, предвзятое к своей собственной семье.
Crozier / Crosier
Clan Crozier – Clan Crozier
Clan Crozier (crosier, croser, cros, etc.) is one of the border reiving clans of Scotland, along with the Armstrongs, Elliots, and Nixons. Some sources cite the surname as a sept of the Armstrong clan, but the Scottish Parliament in 1587 identified the Croziers as a middle march clan.
Крозье / Крозье
Clan Crozier – Clan Crozier
Клан Крозье (crosier, croser, cros и т.д.) является одним из пограничных кланов Шотландии, наряду с Армстронгами, Эллиотами и Никсонами. Некоторые источники ссылаются на фамилию как на септ клана Армстронгов, но шотландский парламент в 1587 году определил Крозье как клан среднего марша.
Maguire Surname Origin, Meaning & Last Name History (forebears.io)
McGuire Surname Origin, Meaning & Last Name History (forebears.io)
https://elwald.com/genealogy-by-dad-loren-s/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullykelter_Castle
https://electricscotland.com/webclans/atoc/clancrozier.pdf
Clan Elliot – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Saxton-1579.jpg (4062×3183) (gorrenberry.com)
Albert Bird Armstrong Jr. (1900-1973) – Find a Grave Memorial
https://archive.org/details/chroniclesofarms00arms/page/327/mode/2up?q=Maguire
MacGUIRE is a distinguished Gaelic or [K]eltic family. According to ‘The Origin Of Clan Maguire’ by Miss Ivy Rooney, the Maguire clan is said to have originated in the middle of Ireland in the County of Westmeath, in the province of Leinster and to have moved from there to the county of Fermanagh in the province of Ulster, modern day Northern Ireland. (source: Kathleen Neil Maguire Bulletin 1996 p.11)
The name is derived from the Irish Gaelic, Mag-Uidhir (Mag, Mac – son of & Uidhir – Dun colored, sallow). You can hear the actual pronunciation in Irish of the name at the PBS site Irish in America – Maguire.
Uidhir is the possessive form of the proper name of Odhar & an interesting fact about that name is that it was in common use at the time of our progenitor because people are prone to name their children after hero’s, Odhar being the name sake of a “hero-saint” who was St. Patrick’s servant & chariot-driver, who reputedly saved his master’s life by taking his place when his life was sought by pagans in about 452 A.D.
(For more information on this please consult The Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume XI and do a search on the page for the name of Odhran.
Today, the Maguire surname is approximately 39th place of the most common surnames in Ireland, but it definitely holds first place in the County of Fermanagh! The majority of those who use the spelling Maguire are chiefly associated with County Fermanagh, in Northern Ireland, and those who use the spelling MacGuire or McGuire usually originated from Mayo or Roscommon. Other various spellings of this surname are; MacGiver, MacGuier, MacGuiver, MacGuire, MacGwire, Macquer, Macquire, Maguier, Maguir, Maguyre, Magwire, McGuire, McQuire.
On looking up your website I thought that I should point out that our tartan is Scottish not Irish as I am recorded with the Lord Lyon as the first Scottish Maguire. I have attached a picture of the tartan so that it may be seen in real form rather than on print so that your potential customers may get a better idea of what the tartan looks like, I have also attached the Scottish crest that can be worn by any Scottish Maguire I do hope that this may be of help to you as any time that we wear the kilt people always remark on how nice the tartan is, thank you once again for your good work in setting this up for us. Would be kind enough to let us know if this gets through to you.
Kind regards
Frank Mcguire
Ander variants from Poland, to Anderson North Ireland and BYU.
BYU (Brigham Young University), Utah, College of Family, Home, and Social Sciences (FHSS).
https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Ander,1890:Anders,1890:Andersen,1890:Anderson,1890:Andersson
https://named.publicprofiler.org/
https://www.therjhuntercollection.com/resources/muster-rolls-c-1630/search-muster-rolls/
https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Anderhttps://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Ander
https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Anderhttps://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Anders
https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Jens,1890:Jensen
Jensen DNA Project – Y-DNA Member Distribution Map
Britain and Ireland SNP and Surname Mapper
Comparing Maguire, Elliott, and Elliot in a Y-DNA SNP surname distribution mapping program;
Britain and Ireland SNP and Surname Mapper
County Fermanagh, 1963 surname map, Maguire, Johnston, Armstrong, McManus, and Elliott… FHL, SLC, UT
Peace On The Border · Steeleye Span on youtube
Peace on the Border
After the riding we dispersed
We drifted home in twos and threes
Through cold and rain we spat and cursed
This ancient war of families
Armies past and then returned
They killed and raped, they stole and burnt
So from the cradle we have learnt
To be as hard as stone
And learned to stand alone
(chorus)
They are gone now, the killing and disorder
They’re just ghosts now, the brigand and marauder
And we give thanks for peace on the border
We give thanks for peace on the border
Cloak and dagger, crime on crime
Anarchy in the borderlands
The king’s men came with a valentine
To break to power of the border clans
Some were hung, some sent away
To Ireland and the low countries
Great was the price they had to pay
God bless their memory
And god bless you and me
The broken towers that stand today
Stand for peace and order
Reminding us until the day
That we need no more borders
https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1996:Maguire,1996:Johnston,1996:Armstrong,1996:McManus,1996:Elliott
https://named.publicprofiler.org/
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Elliot
‘Sheep stealers from the north of England’: the Riding Clans in Ulster by Robert Bell
Sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-England-the-Riding-Clans-in-Ulster-by-Robert-Bell
HISTORY_IRELAND_Winter1994_pgs.25-29
Die Riding Clans in Ulster von Robert Bell
THESHOLDS mtDNA & Y-DNA;
PREVIEW: Getting Started in;
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May 24, 2016
Mitochondrial DNA exact matches only.
Thresholds; Mitochonical mtDNA exact matches only.
Y-DNA Thresholds;
DNAeXplained – Triangulation for Y-DNA by Roberta J. Estes
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Cotton-Mather
Does Harvard nation state historian qraduates still today try to silence the liberty of speech needed for science-genetics, and genealogy-family history?
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A little hard to read, because this webpage is not excel or pdf friendly. However, these are the stats for our two projects. The first number in the stat type is the Airgialla project the second number is for the Mag-Uidhir project. The combined two projects total 273 members. (76 are duplicates of the 348 combined kits) Statistic Type (as of April 2021) Airgialla Mag Uidir Project Mag Uidhir Project Big Y 87 38 Combined GEDCOMs Uploaded 33 14 DISTINCT mtDNA Haplogroups 83 55 DISTINCT Y-DNA Confirmed Haplogroups 79 51 DISTINCT Y-DNA Predicted Haplogroups 0 0 Family Finder 129 74 Genographic 2.0 Transfers 10 5 Maternal Ancestor Information 173 102 mtDNA 103 57 mtDNA Full Sequence 86 46 mtDNA Plus 98 51 mtDNA Subgroups 0 0 Paternal Ancestor Information 219 135 Predicted Y-DNA Haplogroups 124 67 Total Members 250 161 Unpredicted Y-DNA Haplogroups 0 0 Unreturned Kits 13 20 WTY 1 1 Y-DNA Deep Clade (After 2008) 36 15 Y-DNA Deep Clade (Prior to 2008) 11 4 Y-DNA Subgroups 3 6 Y-DNA111 143 71 Y-DNA12 220 128 Y-DNA25 215 126 Y-DNA37 214 126 Y-DNA67 195 10
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Ask Ronnie at his folks house for a meal in Gallup, NM, whether he considered himself the youngest at MIT, which he said yes. He told me that he felt FORTRAN which I was his UNM-Gallup instructor, when he was still in high school. Course prerequisite was listed in engineering as calculus. When folks were living in Mesa, Arizona they were invited to eat at Deb and Rachel, Ronnie’s parent’s home in Scottsdale. Guess I purposely deceive people by accurately saying that I instructed the youngest at MIT. If one is accurate, then another thinks they lied they it is they which live with a falsehood. Ronnie felt the course was useful, so I felt I may be able to create ‘.com’s so feed the internet with images with text imbedded in them, so text search in a browser search would not pick it up. Share family genealogy like dad intended, but get the the images off of the created ‘.com’s, to be securely shared on the internet. Was helping for a Wikipedia ‘Clan Crozier’, was kicked off, so created http://clancrozier.com/ which by a web search of ‘clan crozier’, you will see the success of that also.
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J Lane “Even Covid is an identity issue in the north, I live in Tyrone.” A lot of Ell(i)ott on 1610 Tyrone Muster. http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland/genealogy/muster/tullyhogue1610.html https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3536702?dpr=2&fit=max&h=764&w=590 https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Crownpoint-School-near-Mt-Ayr-IA-1933.jpg Alice Glendenning Miller Teacher. Twins dad Loren, and aunt Lois, with uncle Jack are listed. Granddad Mark Elliott pictured as student with younger brother Rees Elliot of Crownpoint, School http://iagenweb.org/ringgold/schools/misc/sch-crownpoint.html LOREN SPENCER ELLIOT By Editor | January 27, 2016 “….sons were born: Mark Stephen Elliott, Robert Loren Elliott, and James Reese Elliott.” https://www.mtayrnews.com/2016/01/27/loren-spencer-elliot/ REECE W. ELLIOTT (proper spelling is Rees) By Editor | March 19, 1919 https://www.mtayrnews.com/1919/03/19/reece-w-elliott/ HE LEAVES THE WIFE, A SON FRANK ALBERT, AGED 16 MONTHS, FATHER AND MOTHER, ONE BROTHER, MARK ELLIOTT, FOUR SISTERS, MRS. FLOSSIE SACKETT, MRS. GLEN MOORE, GLADYS AND ALICE ELLIOTT, AND HIS AGED GRANDFATHER, REV. S. A. ELLIOTT, TO MOURN HIS UNTIMELY DEATH. My grandfather Mark Elliot lost his younger brother Rees W. Elliott as a result of the flue pandemic of 1918. (edited to make corrected sense 4-5-2021) Stayed with grandparents on farm about 3miles/5km south of Mt. Ayr (after Ayr of Robert Burns, Scotland) Iowa, USA. Went to town with him one time so he could sell his eggs, out of the chicken coup. (‘ayr’ Scottish, ‘air’ English’) Descended from Daniel Elliot of Tullykelter, Co Fermanagh, Ulster, Ireland; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullykelter_Castle but note names on Tyrone muster of; William ELLOTT sword & snaphance John ELLOTT sword & snaphance Robert BAGSTY sword Archibald ELLOTT sword John GLENDINNING sword & pike James SOMERVILLE sword Adam BELL sword & pike John CREIGHTON drummer John SOMERVILLE sword & pike of Ellott, Glendinning, and Somerville (Tullykelter) Bell were in on the rescue of Kinmont Willie Armstrong from Carlisle Castle in 1596, along with Ellot(t). My family sons of Daniel Ell(i)ot in 1630 Ulster muster; Gawen Ellot Magheraboy Mrs Hammelton Fermanagh Mungo Ellot Magheraboy Mrs Hammelton Fermanagh Robert Ellot Magheraboy Mrs Hammelton Fermanagh William Ellot Magheraboy Mrs Hammelton Fermanagh Marke Ellot Magheraboy Mrs Hammelton Fermanagh http://www.therjhuntercollection.com/resources/muster-rolls-c-1630/search-muster-rolls/ even a Marke Ellot (ie Mark Elliott)
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https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/irwin/activity-feed Is another good resource.
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Even Covid is an identity issue in the north, I live in Tyrone.
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click right to enlarge in new tab Shows where the name Gowan Ellot in the 1630 muster may have come from.
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Note; Daniel Elliott of 1610 Tullikelter, Fermanagh, Ireland, likely lost his older brother Robert Elliott, of the Sir John Hamilton Estate, Armagh, in the 1641 Irish Rebellion, which Cromwell, and the London Press published the atrocities of beyond in their extremities. The Anglicans in 1650 at the time of the Cromwellian Civil War fought on the side of the Rebellious Irish. The Gaelic speaking Irish were basically exterminated, the Anglican Scots, speaking a dialect of English were imprisoned sold as indenture slaves in 1650 to the American Colonies. Though a lot it is felt Alexander Hamilton family was sold indentured to Nevis, West Indies, which has a Charlestown on the island, My family was indentured to Puritans of Massachusetts, Puritan Stone family to build a mill at Otter Neck (Saxonville, north Framingham, MA), and his older brother Robert to Boiling Rock Point, just north of Strawberry Bank, now of Portsmouth, NH, to the Puritan Cutt family to build housing. Anglican Church is still quite prevalent in previous English Colonial Plantation Isles. Do not recall the Catholic Church being significant in West Indies previous English Colonies though. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/SELLING-SCOTS-AS-SLAVES-IS-FUNNY-TO-THE-TORIES-2.mp4?_=1 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Scottish-Barbados-Indentures.mp4?_=2 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/BARBADOED.mp4?_=3 https://www.scotsman.com/whats-on/arts-and-entertainment/guy-hewitt-barbados-remembers-scots-heritage-st-andrews-day-1461307 https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Border-genocide-filtered-out-of-the-FTDNA-Y-DNA-12-marker-match-map..jpg
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January 22 @ 8:30am
May have some interest to group; https://gorrenberry.com/daniel-elliott-1610-ulster-likely-catholic-then-anglican/
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December 25 @ 3:20pm
Merry Christmas Cousins! Here’s hoping our New Year is full of new data and healthy folks! FTDNA as well as other venues are running sales until Jan, might be a great time to “look a little deeper?” Here is a different graphic of the last 2000 years (or so) of our “SNP Tree”. New branches only happen when TWO or more kits have matching newly discovered SNPs. Hint: If your kit says “R-M 269 Predicted” then you really need to test your SNPs! The two best methods are Big Y 700 (an actual DISCOVERY test) or the S-5668 SNP Pack (this can be a little tricky simply because there are options to other lower SNP packs that reside on equivalent SNPs) the SNP pack option is $119 and uses previous Big Y tests to validate your matching SNPs, it is not a discovery test. Cheers Brad
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December 30 @ 4:28pm
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Bradley McGuire
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November 18 @ 3:28pm
Welcome Kathleen mbr #245!!! Damn sure a long way from the original Dirty Dozen!! I know, it’s been ten years….it has been a long journey and thanks to all of YOU PIONEERS we have a vast Y DNA library to call upon!! If it were not for your willing ability to expand our database by using Next Generation Sequencing…we’d still be in the weeds! This goes out to all members…not just the A2 group that I belong to. My “partner in crime”, Josiah has been a frequent sounding board. Each project has there own goals. My goal became clearer once I discovered that Mag Uidhir encompassed a traceable path that varied at times but completely included an almost picture perfect surname refelection of the 1640 census! Do not misconstrue my words! I have yet to meet the person that “can claim” … anything, title or not. The Airghialla 2 signature is THE ONLY IRISH haplogroup to contain a SNP called Z16340. This is shared by a group of Swedes and Belgian men, which points us way back to 200BC or so, to a tribe known as the Menapii. Fir Manach is the Irish definition for “Men of Menapia”. We have been IN Fermanaugh for a L O N G while. The change over is a slow process. But, the DF21+ crowd or Clan Colla signatures shared a most common ancestor about 2000yrs ago. After that? We changed somehow, and being easily 1000 yrs before surnames were adopted into prevalent use….it gets misty. So, by hook or crook, us A2 types share the DNA with Charles Robert Maguire (deceased) who has an official (as in really old), pedigree back to Donn Carrach Maguire [d 1302] – note: I would be ecstatic with any of Charles son’s to have a Big Y 700 completed!! There are a myriad of hypotheses out there of “where did the McGuire’s Originate?” Some folks like to focus on spelling: Maguire v McGuire v Mac Guire being the most prevalent. Most relate this to either religious beliefs or locale. Mac Guire being the favored Scot spelling, whereas Maguire is thought to be Catholic and McGuire Protestant. And at certain times in history, I have no doubt that was accurate, nowadays, not so much. The story of “The Three Collas” is ingrained into Irish history/legend/myth. My personal hypothesis? Virtually none of our Irish history was written down and preserved prior to St Patrick. Once Christianity began making headway in Ireland, the priests sought any method they could to tie in “Christian History” into Irish history….Three leafs of a clover, the Christian Trinity,The Three Collas (c-400AD)…then along about the time this stuff got written down (1400-1600) “things” changed. The English were making inroads into what would be known as “The Plantation”…what a soft word for forced genocide. Sides were drawn, each needing to claim an “Ancient Royal Line”….Who Is The True Heir?? Another old manuscript describes a tribe, clan or family that started out landing in Leinster, then being forced out (ostensibly, due to killing a royal) and headed NW. My hypothesis is that Lough Erne looked a lot like “home”, and being traders and raiders, they set about establishing a presence in those waters. This is just Brad’s personal opinion here…but I tend to think our DNA points the way. In my view? History seems to tell us that the victors write the story, true or not. In our case that is the English view which defined much of our history. Fortunately, Y DNA has ZERO to do with political, religious, communal or other “norms”. It is pure science! If the SNP is valid? Then YOU are of that line. As to THAT….between the two projects there are almost 400 kits. 317 are Y DNA specific. Of those, there are roughly 80+ duplicates (both A1 and A2). I define A1 as having DYS425=0, there are a myriad of SNPs that further define this group. Peter Biggins and company have a solid track on these kits…I really do not need to try to enhance their amazing research!! http://www.peterspioneers.com/colla.htm So…..to keep my sanity and focus, I am proposing a shift, a change. The original Mag Uidhir project AND the original Airghialla Mag Uidhir Project will not lose ANY MEMBERS. I will do what I can to support both projects….JUST KNOW…I will always focus on A2 research. Why? Because the A1 group has an amazing research team that I can add nothing to…seriously, if one org is doing SO much good for their group, there is no need for me to inject anything. I don’t have a website to compile this into a “public” fora, in fact, I’m really hesitant to step over that line. Personal info is exactly that, it’s personal and should only be accessed by what YOU allow. Having said that, when I run into kits that are not “public” I kinda chuckle and wonder exactly what the heck you expect a “private” signature to benefit you. To each his own. I truly hope this comes across as NOT DIVISIVE, there are Maguires of a plethora of haplogroups (arguably, A1 and A2 comprise > 90% of the Hgs I have seen). As they say, I’m am “merely pulling that string to see where it leads!!” Face it, ain’t none of us moving into that castle!! LOL!!!! And yes, I STILL have not made it to Co Fermanaugh…will one day, and I will be that crazy American walking barefoot across the ancient lands waiting for that “tingle” to tell me I am home!
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Bradley McGuire
November 26 @ 12:02pm
A rather longish input to your observations Sean, but it is provided through Patrick MacAuley (another A2 and longtime researcher). Enjoy the read!! 1500: PROLOGUE: PRE-MAGUIRE KINGS of FERMANAGH or LOCH ERNE, 1010 to 1278 (#1501) Cathal, son of Dubhdara 1010 (#1502) Niall O’Ecnich 1053 (#1503) Domnall son of Mael Ruanaidh 1057 (#1504) Giolla Crist O’Dubdara 1074 or 1076 (#1505) ____ O’Ecnich 1095 (#1506) Lochlann O’Dubdara 1097 (#1507) Laidhgnen O’Dubdara 1118 (#1508) ______ O’Mael Ruanaidh 1126 (#1509) Giolla-Crist O’Ecnich 1127 (#1510) Faelen O’Dubdara 1128 (#1511) Mael Ruanaidh 1160 (#1512) Donnell mac Amlaiobh O’Mael Ruanaidh 1176 (#1513) Mac-na-hOidhche O’Mael Ruanaidh 1189 (#1514) Niall O’Echnich 1201 (#1515) Aengus MacGilFinnein 1234 (#1516) Flaithertaigh O’Daiman d. 1278 SOURCES FOR LIST OF PRE-MAGUIRE KINGS: This list builds on work published by Father Peadar Livingstone in The Fermanagh Story, pages 472-3, and by Father Paul Walsh in Irish Chiefs and Leaders, page 11. The names on the list were found in medeival Irish annals, and are all described as “Kings of Fermanagh” or ”Kings of Loch Erne”. 1501: In 1009: “Cathal, son of Dubhdara, lord of Feara-Manach, died.” *a. Source: Annals of the Four Masters, 1009. *b. Cathal was probably the son of Dubhdara (sl. 961) son of Eigneach (also sl. 961) son of Dalach. Eighneach was King of Airghialla. (See Annals of Four Masters, 961.) *c. Cathal apparently did not have a hereditary surname. It was around the year 1000 that hereditary surnames became standard in Ireland – possibly at the order of Brian Boru. 1502: In 1053 “Niall Ua h-Eignigh, lord of Feara-Manach, and his brother, Gillachrist, were slain by the Feara-Luirg, through treachery.” *a. Source: Annals of Four Masters, 1053. See also Annals of Loch Ce, 1053. 1503: In 1057: “Domhnall Ua Ruairc was slain by Domhnall, son of Maelruanaidh (#1470), king of Feara-Manach.” *a. Source: Annals of Loch Ce, 1057. *b. Donnell was apparently the son of Maelruanaidh O’Maeldoraidh (#1470), lord of Cenel-Conaill, who campaigned with Brian Boru in 1010 (see Annals of Four Masters, 1010) and was the eponymous ancestor of O’Maelruanaidh of Ulster. *c. In 1053 Donnell son of Maelruanaidh participated in a cattle raid and is described as “lord of the Fir-Manach”. See Annals of Four Masters, 1053. 1504: In 1076: “Gillachrist O’Duibhdara, king of Feara-Manach, occisus est, in Daimhinis, by the Feara-Manach.” *a. Source: Annals of Loch Ce, 1076. 1505: In 1095 “Ua hEighnigh, king of Feara-Manach, was slain a suis.” *a. Source: Annals of Loch Ce, 1095. 1506: In 1097, ”Lochlainn Ua Duibhdhara, king of Fernmhagh, was slain by the Uí-Briuin-Breifne.” *a. Source: Annals of Loch Ce, 1095. *b. According to Livingstone, Fernmhagh is Fermanagh. (See The Fermanagh Story, p. 473; by Father Peadar Livingstone.) Paul Walsh also notes that here Fernmagh may be a mistake for Feara Manach. (See Irish Chiefs and Leaders, p.11; by Father Paul Walsh.) 1507: In 1118 “Laidhgnén Ua Duibhdhara, king of Feara-Manach, was slain by the Uí-Fiachrach, and by the men of the Craebh.” *a. Source: Annals of Loch Ce, 1118. 1508: In 1126 “Ua Maelruanaigh, king of Feara-Manach, a suis occisus est.” *a: Source: Annals of Loch Ce, 1126. 1509: In 1127 “Gillachrist Ua hEighnigh, king of Feara-Manach, and chief king of Oirghiall, died in Clochar-Uí-nDaimhin, after choice penance.” *a. Source: Annals of Loch Ce, 1127. 1510: In 1128 “The men of Magh-hItha, i.e. with Domhnall Ua Gairmleghaigh, captured a house against the king of Feara-Manach, i.e. against Faelan Ua Duibhdhara, who fell by them, and many of the nobles of Feara-Manach along with him.” *a. Source: Annals of Loch Ce, 1128. 1511: In 1160 “Domhnall Ó Gairmlegaigh chief of the kindred of Muan was slain by Mael Ruanaid, king of Fermanagh.” *a. Source: Annals of Tigherna, 1160. *b. It is unclear here whether Mael Ruanaidh is a first name or the truncated surname O’Mael Ruanaidh. If it is a surname, then this man might be Donnell mac Amhlaoibh O’MaoilRuanaidh featured in entry #1512. 1512: In 1176 “Donnell son of Amhlaoibh O’MaoilRuanaidh, King of Fermanagh, was burned by his own kinsmen in the round tower of Daimhinis.” *a. Source: MacCarthaigh’s Book of MIsc. Irish Annals, 1176. *b. In 1972 excavations at Devinish uncovered the foundation of a round tower very close to the existing round tower. This supports the belief that the existing tower was built after the original tower was destroyed and/or desecrated by the burning of Donnell O’Mulroney. 1513: In 1189 “Mac-na-hoidhche O’Maelruanaidh, king of Feara-Manach, was dethroned, and he went to O’Cerbhaill; and a Foreign army came into the country; and O’Cerbhaill and O’Maelruanaidh encountered them, and O’Cerbhaill was defeated, and O’Maelruanaidh slain.” *a. Source: Annals of Loch Ce, 1189. *b. “Mac-na-hoidche” translates to “Son-of-the-night”. 1514: “1201 K … Niall ua Echnich ri Fer Manach occiasius est et alli multi.” *a. SOURCE: (Cotton MS Titus A.XXV) This manuscript is also known as The Annals of Boyle or the Cottonian Annals. *b. A much longer description is found in Annals of Loch Ce, 1201: “O’hEighnigh, king of Feara-Manach, with all his forces, went into Connacht … [accompanying O’Conor and O’Neill on a raid]… and they committed a great depredation on the people of Tomaltach Mac Diarmada …[as they returned with their spoils they were pursued and] … The Connachtmen afterwards returned, and caught O’hEighnigh, king of Feara-Manach, and he was slain; and not because he did not act bravely, but because he was outnumbered.” Annals of Loch Ce, 1201. 1515: In 1234 “Oenghus Mac Gille-Fhinnein, king of Fir-Manach, was killed by Ua Domnaill.” *a. SOURCE: Annals of Ulster, 1234. *b. A much more detailed version appears in Annals of Loch Ce, 1234: “Aenghus Mac Gillafinnen, king of Loch-Erne, went to commit a depredation on Domhnall O’Domhnaill, king of Tir-Conaill; and O’Domhnaill caught him, and he was slain on this journey.” c. In 1231 Angus Mac Gilfinnein participated in a raid with O’Donnell. Annals of Ulster, 1231. 1516: In 1278 “Flaithbertach Ua Daimin, king of Fir-Manach; rested in Christ (namely, on the 3rd of the Nones 3rd of the month of February).” *a. SOURCE: Annals of Ulster, 1278. Also Annals of Four Masters, 1278. *b. The O’Daimin clan was based in the tuath of Tirkennedy. After 1278 the O’Daimins were quickly eclipsed by the Maguires, but remained in Fermanagh as landowners until the Ulster confiscation of 1607.
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Sean McGuire
November 29 @ 8:05pm
Thanks Brad, I’ve read alot of the annals of ulster. Atleast having to do with the maguires. But around 15th 1600s they talk about 2 main branches. I’m sure there was alot of other siblings n cousin who weren’t typical mentioned since they didn’t inherit land or title being the 2nd or 3rd born in the family. I know the title usually went to the most responsible or whatever based on gaelic tanistry. I just wish i knew better of which descendant I came from. After don, in 1302, which of his family in the later medieval period. I grateful for your post tho.
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Sean McGuire
November 30 @ 1:56am
Also Brad, thanks for that link. It was definitely n interesting n informing read. I esp liked how they showed the chart with the 3 siblings, that where 2 shared the same dad, n 2 shared the same mom.
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Mark Elliott
December 6 @ 9:40am
My family’s history did not start in Co Fermanagh/previous Maguire, until granddad 1607-10 Andrew (Dand) Ellot (Daniel Elliott) was vanquished from the kingdoms of England and Scotland. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullykelter_Castle 1650 Charles II fought on side of those rebellious Irish then enslaved to the America Colonies, for my family that of Massachusetts. Where Kennedy is from, and the only state which a Fermanagh name such as McGovern took in 1972 running against another Fermanagh name Nixon. Though saw Nixon when he ran against Kennedy, when old enough to vote for president voted McGovern.
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December 4 @ 2:27am
Just got my big y results. R-z716337.
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December 1 @ 5:16pm
Hi Folks, This is my first time posting here but it may not be the last 🙂 I had a 37 marker YDNA test done a few years back and as I can count 7 generations of Fitzpatricks including my granddaughter, I was expecting more to show up historically. That didn’t happen. Instead, I found a whole lot of Maguires ! We seem to originate in Fermanagh – Newtownbutler area but also with connections in Clones …. at least in the 19thC. My DNA line is L513. I’ve just had an early Christmas present and have gone with an upgrade to BigY, so I expect to see some further interesting results. I’ve also just read through a link here what Peader Livingstone says about the Fitzpatricks of Fermanagh – They are actually a branch of the Maguires. This intrigues me greatly and I’m hoping there might be someone here who can help shed some light on this lineage. I am
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Joe Fitzpatrick
December 1 @ 5:18pm
I am also part of the Fitzpatrick DNA study group and now have some time to look into family history in more detail. Best wishes to all, Joe Fitzpatrick, Scotland
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Bradley McGuire
December 2 @ 4:36pm
Joe, I’m sending you an email with some info about this!
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Joe Fitzpatrick
December 3 @ 5:00am
Wow….thanks Brad. I’ve counted 26 Maguires (and surname variations on that spelling) on Page 1 alone. This is both fascinating and exciting and there’s a story to be told here once the BigY results come through. My initial suspicions are that this might be a line coming from Giolla Padraig of the Maguires, circa 1538-1540, but this will be tested by the latest results. As always, important to keep an open mind. Best wishes, Joe
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October 25 @ 4:05pm
It should be noted from about 1320-1500 the Armestrang (army strong) now Armstrong were the army of Scotland, the Elwald-Ellot-Elliot soldiered the Armitage (army post) the Hermitage Castle. We would follow the Armstrong sometimes into battle. During this era of time, someone would go to the borderlands between the Kingdoms of England and Scotland, and ask “Whether there were any Christians?”, pre-border reformation, no protestants, the reply would be something like this; “No, we are Armstrong and Elliott”. The Hermitage Castle was the castle of French Catholic Queen Marie Stuart of Scotland’s third husband; Bothwell, because of his estate ownership of Bothwell near Glasgow, Scotland, his name would be Patrick Hepburn, where Hepburn is of the English Border, in Northumberland. The families living on both sides of the Scottish-English Border which a lot of them were Armstrong and Elliott, became borderers when with the Declaration of Arbroath 1320 when the border was placed, and conflict like today with some borders including the one in Ireland during THE TROUBLES persisted. Though Catholic Queen Marie Stuart likely would have outlived Queen Elizabeth, then would have been in line to be Queen of both Kingdoms, the Protestants took her son James from her and Protestant cousin Elizabeth had her beheaded, her son James VI of Scotland became James I a Protestant, unlike his mother a Catholic. My mom was raised Catholic, but raised me a Methodist, the faith of my father, if you could say dad had a faith other than being an Elliott. The banishment and exile of Armstrong and Elliot, if not came extermination, of Armstrong and Elliot left behind in Scotland. King James put out a bible not in his native Scottish, but in English. The Armstrong, and Elliot, were number one and two for border execution. The Armstrong in County Fermanagh (Maguire), c1650 marriage a Maguire princess, then there were ‘black’ (haired) Armstrong and ‘white’ (blond) Armstrong. Could remember someone who’s ancestry lived among the Elliot of Liddesdale Scotland, running for office in Sioux City, Iowa, would be of the third family in line for extermination, of Tyrone and Fermanagh County, Ireland. Guess he would have been referred to as a ‘black’ Nixon. An Irish Catholic, Kennedy won that election for president, and started a space race where America would be the first to the moon. This ‘black’, Nixon spoke by phone about peace to an Armstrong on the moon. Lets put it this way us Armstrong, Elliott, and Nixon, with the Crozier of the Scottish Middle March, like America. About c.1650 a Hitler type army came into Ireland, called Cromwell, who exterminated, and genocide the Gaelic Irish, the ones living were sold as ‘slaves’ to the American Colonies, to work the Plantations, along with the exiled Anglican Hamiltonian Border Charles II Royalist Scots. After the importation to the plantations of America, of Africans, we now truly have ‘black’, and ‘white’, Armstrong and Elliott though marriage. The majority party in the UK is the Tories. Dad, was concerned about how the Tory Loyalists were treated during the America Revolution. Not going to be as much concerned if the government of the UK made up of Tories puts a border into Ireland.
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Sean McGuire
October 27 @ 12:03am
My scottish ancestors were also exhiled from scotland for religious or political reasons n fled to north Ireland. In donegal I think, before coming to America. They were Livingstons, who changed their name to Boggs. This was in the late 1600s.
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Bradley McGuire
October 31 @ 8:36pm
I really dig the personal histories!! It just adds so much to the otherwise mundane digging in Excel.
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October 30 @ 8:45am
Sean, https://named.publicprofiler.org/ https://maps.nls.uk/view/00000383#zoom=9&lat=2111&lon=3865&layers=BT https://www.google.com/maps/place/Livingston,+UK/@55.8583808,-2.9657029,8.08z/ Had a friend born in Livingston, MT, USA.
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Sean McGuire
October 30 @ 6:43pm
How cool, I had no idea. funny how so many places are named after prominent families. I have hager on my moms side n theres a hagersville where they originated n bailey which is there is a town in nj or Maryland I forget.
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October 30 @ 9:06am
Sean McGuire October 27 @ 12:03am “My scottish ancestors were also exhiled from scotland for religious or political reasons n fled to north Ireland. In donegal I think, before coming to America. They were Livingstons, who changed their name to Boggs. This was in the late 1600s.” I think you are right.
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September 19 @ 1:10am
Click right for enlarged image in new tab. https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/airghialla-mag-uidhir/activity-feed Bradley McGuire admin 111 marker matches for Sean McGuire. Part 1 of 2. Rough likelihood, but better than nothing.
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Sean McGuire
September 22 @ 3:17pm
Mark, it’s hard for me to figure out how related when all their oldest known ancestor is already in the USA. Mine is in Ireland early 1800s. And I’m sure you know how hard it is to find any records before even 1850ish. I think I’m related to the colonial mcguires by a maybe late 1600s to mid 1700s. I just dont think I can find a specific person due to lack of records in Ireland during that time.
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Sean McGuire
September 22 @ 3:38pm
Brad, who is modal?
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Bradley McGuire
September 22 @ 3:53pm
Modal is the term for the most frequent number value in a group. In this case folks with zero deviation or as few as can be….you Sean are in this category. Your first STR change (mutation) wasn’t until I hit the 89th STR!! that’s crazy!! Of course, I’ve always been told “your family tree didn’t branch much did it?” As it turns out…. well, no we haven’t. Not when you consider that Donn Carrach died in 1302! I have been loosely using Harlyn as our “closest to modal”. Always open to change!
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Michael McGuire
October 23 @ 10:49pm
I haven’t logged in for many months but this caught my eye. I think that is me highlighted in green. It seems like the site has a lot more features since I last logged in so just starting to explore this advanced match area.
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Conor Maguire has a question!
October 9 @ 10:43am
“Hi, just introducing myself and letting you know I have no idea what I’m doing! I’m a Maguire, born in Co. Fermanagh. My oldest ancestor that I can trace is my great-great grandfather Edward Maguire b.1800 d.1885 in Tully (near Roslea) in Fermanagh. I uploaded a gedcom family tree hre and a DNA result from ancestry DNA. I also used morleydna (isogg) that says i am most likelyR1b1a2a1a2c R1b-M529 (R1b-L459) but not sure what any of it means or how I connect to related Maguire’s ehre. Any help appreciated! thanks, ”
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October 8 @ 8:12pm
Wow that’s a long time. I upgraded a few weeks ago too
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Bradley McGuire
October 9 @ 9:35am
🙂 It sure seems like it eh? 6-10 weeks? Not too bad at all.
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September 23 @ 1:25pm
Mark, it’s hard for me to figure out how related when all their oldest known ancestor is already in the USA. Mine is in Ireland early 1800s. And I’m sure you know how hard it is to find any records before even 1850ish. I think I’m related to the colonial mcguires by a maybe late 1600s to mid 1700s. I just dont think I can find a specific person due to lack of records in Ireland during that time. Sean, Before Comfort of the time your ‘McGuire’ came from Ireland, ‘Elliott’, was spelled Scottish as ‘Elliot’, with a single ‘t’. For your name you have two likely spellings, ‘McGuire’, and ‘Maguire’. At 111 markers you match a John ‘McGuire’, same spelling as your family name. At 37 markers at the max James Donald Elliott tested for, at 1800, I am 1 marker off. The genealogy has been done to show how related. It is felt very strongly given the same surname, and no markers off 111, you would in the US, be extremely likely related to this ‘John McGuire’.
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Mark Elliott
September 26 @ 12:00pm
Sean since the price difference is not much and you get to see more testing, which I support. After the testing compare how much you have gained on the excellence information which others should be sharing also. Family history is most accurate when the family like you are doing it, that is why the most experience genealogists are in extreme support of it be done by the family themselves because that is where the highest accuracy comes from on family history.
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September 22 @ 9:49pm
Just up graded from 111markers to the big y. 🤞idk what I expect from this, just hope it benefits genealogy as a whole n people with the last name McGuire. I will let you guys know when the results come in. I’m guessing a month or two.
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Mark Elliott
September 23 @ 1:38pm
Note; Today’s Brexit/EU border that goes around County Fermanagh, there are Maguire, Johnston, Armstrong, McManus, and Elliott, on the EU-Irish side, and the Brexit-Ulster side. Makes a good battlefield for those Mc-(Presbyterians)/Mac-(Catholics), coming from (London)Derry and Belfast during THE TROUBLES causing migration of these families to Germany. Sean, your Maguire, McManus and Johnston relations are of this region.
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Sean McGuire
September 23 @ 11:37pm
My direct ancestors were here already. It’s sad how such prominent families with land n wealth got robbed by the “surrender and regrant” deals and were diminished to illiterate farmers forced to work the land they once owned for barely enough food to survive. But maybe that’s how my 3ed ggf ended up in donegal? Maybe a few generations before him moved there after the 9 years war?
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September 18 @ 11:40pm
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/airghialla-mag-uidhir/activity-feed Bradley McGuire admin Sean McGuire, Dealing with lengthy amounts, but files thanks to all available to all at that link. Decided to use my numbers to give you some idea how to approach yours. Noted you have a McManus and Johnston matches they would be of County Fermanagh. Could be names which the Gaelic Mag-Uidhir Anglicized to, likely not NPE. Note also besides Maguire and McGuire spellings you have a Mcguyer spelling which would be a variant spelling, likely a American spelling out of Cumberland Co, NC. https://forebears.io/surnames/mcguyer McGuire leans more Donegal, County, Ireland than Maguire. Feel the names spelled McGuire/Maguire from Ireland. Johnston and McManus matches lean towards County Fermanagh. Very roughly the closer the match the closer in time related. The 0 and 1 distance most likely of American, with surnames McGuire and Maguire. DNA shows likelihood, need documentation to pick out family. With McGuyer matches try searching Cumberland County, NC. With the above all are surname Elliott except the Horton from Georgia, which is A6722, the others son of the first son Daniel are A6724, so between Daniel of the 28 Mar 1692 Salem Trials testimony and his first so their is a mutation in the SNP. Sean you sure already have an immense amount of research. Would approach it for similar surnames and shortest distance, because the longer distance ones may be out of genealogical reach. The Thompson matches as indicated on the other link are likely of Fermanagh also and maybe a name the Mag-Uidhir Anglicized the Gaelic towards. Rode with the Nixon, which rode with the Elliott in the English-Scottish Borderlands.
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Sean McGuire
September 22 @ 3:35pm
I know my 3rd ggp were in kilcar donegal , married n had 2 children before, coming here. I have mostly all 4th cousins n closer traced down from them since I have all their siblings n their children info. I just dont have any info on my 3ed ggps family n before. My connection is in Ireland , so I’m basically screwed. unless some miracle happens 🤞
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September 20 @ 2:01pm
Am knowledge handicapped without data. We sure could utilize a lot more Sean, showing matches at 37, 67-111 markers. The drastic difference between Sean’s results and mine at 111 is the reason why. Believe me people will be reading the info given on this feed, and it will increase the learning and knowledge of Y-DNA analysis of the home base family history user.
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September 19 @ 10:26am
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/airghialla-mag-uidhir/activity-feed Bradley McGuire admin
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September 19 @ 12:27am
Use a SNP Y-DNA mapper, the lowest downstream, for me it is R-S16361, to have and numbers with it. Sean McGuire, For you; R-P312/S116 > Z290 > L21/S145 > DF13 > L513/S215/DF1 > S5668 > Z16340 > FGC9807 > FGC9795 > FGC9804 > FGC9809 > Z16334 > FGC9800 > Z16337 > BY3093 Note; Constantine Maguire, b/.c:1720 Fermanagh Ireland R-Z16337 John William McGuire b c 1790, Samsonagh, Fermanag R-Z16337 Peter Gilleece/Tully Kinawley, Co. Fermanagh R-Z16337 Maguire John Maguire abt 1815, Largy, Fermanagh R-Z16337 Would try R-BY3093 then R-Z16337 first then go up stream if not available to FGC9800, then Z16334, until you get enough localities for indication. The lower downstream the closer to today’s date the SNPs are. FTDNA link used for the SNP mapping; https://www.familytreedna.com/my/snp-map/ My lowest available downstream is R-S16361 for R-M269>U106>S12025>FGC12040>S16361>A6719>A6722 A6719 and A6722 with A6724 are available through YSEQ. http://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?products_id=6055 R-Z16337 if unavailable like R-A6722 was for me through FTDNA can be purchase through YSEQ for $18. To get classified as R-S16361 though already tested positive through YSEQ, tested again through FTDNA for over twice the cost at $39.
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September 19 @ 12:23am
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/airghialla-mag-uidhir/activity-feed Bradley McGuire admin
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September 14 @ 6:09pm
These are mine idk what to do with them tho
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Mark Elliott
September 19 @ 12:08am
Like you have on Maguire site based on distance, name similarity Maguire or McGuire. With 0 and 1 marker distance and surnames Maguire and McGuire would consider a US search first. https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/airghialla-mag-uidhir/activity-feed Bradley McGuire admin
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September 13 @ 12:26pm
Manus is Latin which Catholics used, for ‘hands’.
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Bradley McGuire
September 14 @ 3:51am
Mind you, I’ve not done a census search specifically, in this case. However, there are a fair number of Mc/MacManus in Fermanaugh. At least back through 1630 ish.
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Mark Elliott
September 14 @ 6:56am
In 1963 top 5 ranking; 1. Maguire, 2. Johnston, 3. Armstrong, 4. McManus, and 5. Elliott. Johnston (from Johnstone, Annandale,Scotland region), Armstrong, and Elliott, King (Scotland the also of England) James border genocide exiles. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Maguire-Armstrong-Elliott-Johnston-Fermanagh-surname-distribution-map-1.jpg It is the Cromwellian English which wrote the history, not us border exiles which preferred the Irish over the English or Scots, because they were the ones which killed our families and executed us. Do you kind of understand why my family as Anglican Hamiltonian Charles II Royalists, fought along side the Irish against Cromwell, and as the surviving Irish were sent as Cromwellian Civil War POWs as slaves to the Colonies of America. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/SELLING-SCOTS-AS-SLAVES-IS-FUNNY-TO-THE-TORIES-2.mp4?_=1 In 1776 we did not care much for Tories.
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September 12 @ 9:04pm
Hey I just got my 111 results n have no idea what to do with them. Any body want to help? Any suggestions? Email @ mcguire84@yahoo.com
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Mark Elliott
September 12 @ 9:28pm
Kit number? For comparison. See what other surnames you match. First at 37 (may not be any) markers, and then 25 markers. Like to do this publicly so others may follow, and do the same for their groupings. It’s not rocket science Sean. Give direction, but not the one to find the family you are because you know them, and I do not.
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Sean McGuire
September 13 @ 6:13pm
My kit # b638083, but I dont understand what you mean after the comment it’s not rocket science. most of surname matches are my own or spelled maguire. I’m just wondering if you start at the un grouped section till the admin had time to place you or just there cause I dont match any groups, idk. I’ve watched quite a few ydna videos n I’m still struggling.
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September 13 @ 12:21pm
https://named.publicprofiler.org/ McGuire Surname Meaning From Where Does The Surname Originate? meaning and history (Irish) The son of a pale or light-complexioned man. — Dictionary of American Family Names (1956) by Elsdon Coles Smith https://forebears.io/surnames/mcguire https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3529356?dpr=2&fit=max&h=301&w=590 https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/1592-Robert-Ellot-Ellwood-chief-in-Lariston.png https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Clan-Ellwood-Elwood-Elwold-Elwould-Elwoulde-Elwolde-Elwald.jpg https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Elwald-Ellot-naming-2.jpg
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September 5 @ 11:48pm
Goes with citation info below. Provided by Sven Pavik
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August 24 @ 1:30pm
https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Ewald click right to enlarge in new tab. With Rb-U106 know that the Ra may be wondering to I belong in group. Well I had this crazy idea, that many years in the past my ancestors along with the wolf ate elk (moose), and were known as elk of the forest. Where the elk (moose) and wolf are returning felt that is where my Y-DNA came from. Later on we instead of elk (moose) we chased down cows in the borderlands between Scotland and England. The elk (moose) are entering Germany from Poland; https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/wild-elks-return-to-germany-a-853581.html Figured there are bull and cow elk (moose) for reproducing, so figured if I trace my R-U106 back in time would likely end up in the region where mom’s dad a Barna came from. This is on the Polish-Slovakian border basically where Galicia of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire once was. Surname distribution which could be a Polish-Slovakian (Loš) name for elk (moose) seems to be from the region. https://forebears.io/surnames/lo%C5%A1 Maybe family relations base on the irrational term of ‘love’ may have some rationality.
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August 24 @ 10:36am
HOW AUTO-SOMAL DNA MAY BE USED ALONG WITH YOUR FAMILIE’S INFO;
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August 24 @ 10:35am
HOW AUTO-SOMAL DNA MAY BE USED ALONG WITH YOUR FAMILIE’S INFO;
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August 24 @ 10:34am
HOW AUTO-SOMAL DNA MAY BE USED ALONG WITH YOUR FAMILIE’S INFO; Record of birth in Poland (Galicia, Austrian-Hungarian) on 29 May 1857, of the birth of great grandfather English; Stephan, Polish; Stefan, and Greek Catholic Latin Stephanus Barna, which passes his name Stephen to son Stephan Peter Barna, of Boonton, Morris County, New Jersey, which passes it to me for my middle name making it, Mark Stephen Elliott.
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August 21 @ 9:01am
click right to enlarge in new tab Using FTDNA mtDNA H27a, autosomal DNAs of 23andME and Ancestry with ‘Croak’ surname distribution. https://forebears.io/surnames/croak. It shows a ‘Smith’ cross over between Lancashire, UK of the ‘Croak’, and Dublin, Ireland of the ‘Murphy’. For Gaelic names to be Anglicized to the surname Smith, it is likely to be part of a surname bridge between Dublin, Ireland, and Lancashire, England. The mtDNA follow’s the mom’s mom’s line or the line of clan ship among the indigenous peoples of America.
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August 15 @ 10:26pm
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August 7 @ 11:45am
click right and open in new tab for enlarged image OK, I will admit it am a quarter Irish. Mom’s mom a Ryan. mtDNA H27a Finland to Ireland shows strong concentration in Scandinavia.
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August 5 @ 2:46pm
This is a free app that works with any YSEQ or YFull recognized SNP. Love visuals!! We were “here” L O N G before the English invasions! https://phylogeographer.com/scripts/heatmap.php However, due to the low number of A2 kits at YFull, we are underrepresented in colors when compared to our continental cousins. $40 to have YFull analyze your Big Y. I though it was a good value and have submitted my old hg19 as well as the newer hg38 data (so now I have two kit numbers for the same data). Since the Airghialla Mag Uidhir (A2) are the only Irish Y DNA guys to contain Z16340, this graphic, again, highlights a time period between 200BC and 100AD…. L O N G before any English invaders thought of invading!! In fact the Menapi (our origin tribe) were Vikings way before the Vikings (800AD)!!
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August 2 @ 1:22am
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July 24 @ 2:54pm
Steel Bonnets In Debatatable Lands with George Macdonald Fraser and Eric Robson https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkDCQiLr3Zc Exiles to County Fermanagh at time of Border Pacification, mainly from Debatable Lands.
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July 20 @ 12:18pm
click right to enlarge in new tab Armstrong, Elliot, Nixon, and Crozier of the Scottish Middle March, were exiled by protestant James VI of Scotland, who was taken from his Catholic mom, Marie Stuart, Queen of Scots. Who the protestant cousin the first Queen Elizabeth had beheaded, and when she died James VI of Scotland became James I of England also. So it was move and be exiled to basically County Fermanagh, or be exterminated. This happened by king James of now Scotland and England after Elizabeth died in 1603, by the army of the English. The Mechanics are basically the same, but to be family history the results for each family is different, that is what makes family history fun when doing ones own family is finding out about your particular family, and therefore getting to know ones self better. Elliott (personal prejudice) then Armstrong, with the Middle March families Scottish side, of Nixon and Crozier included; The process of finding family, is like having a black colt, and a corral full of horses, and looking for the colt’s mother. So in the corral you first clear out all those horses which Y-DNA, the stallions. The the old mares, because they are to old to have a young colt. Then the mares which are not black. The colt is a Shetland. So you clear out all those which are not Shetland, and then the ones which are not black, and left with two young black Shetland mares, but can not tell which one it the colt’s mother. Then you put family into the coral. Release the colt, and then the colt finds it’s mother. In genealogy, genetics can divide out family. My mother does not carry Y-DNA, blue eyed, and dad also, so I am likely blue eyed. With Y-DNA line Anglo-European, likely to share same surname. Brought up a Methodist, by a mother raised Catholic. The Methodist are on my Y-DNA side, so if Jews became Christians, the Christian Catholics, became Anglican then Episcopalian, then Methodist, overseas what would my family’s likely faith be. Likely be in a region of Methodist-Episcopalians-Anglicans, and may be normally Catholic. https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/ Family is living with Armstrong where they were exiled to Ireland, and the EU/Brexit border raps around us. But since I am born into as a Y-DNA male, blond haired blue eyed like chief Margaret, but hair a little darker, been our tribal Elliot 29th chief for over thirty years, and was doing genealogy when her father Sir Arthur was the 28th chief and of Redheugh, a fortress outpost the Ellot (Scot’s spelling without the French ‘i’). To not be ‘prejudice’, must be anti-WASP. Can’t help whether I was born that way. Armstrong, which guarded the border lands, and the Elliot which soldiered the Hermitage castle to kept the kingdoms of England and Scotland separate, the army of Scotland. Today’s Scottish Ministry have in their plans to build a Windy Edge Wind farm next to the Hermitage Castle the castle north of Redheugh which my ancestors soldiered over five hundred years ago. If Natives of American complain about a pipeline going through their land in American, Anglo Europeans are the first to indicate they are not prejudice. If I mention there is plans for a Windy Edge wind farm being built next to The Hermitage Castle which my Elliott Clan and 29th chief Margaret of Redheugh, https://elwald.com/clan-elliot-29th-chief-margaret-eliott-of-redhuegh-stobs/ (sure she thinks of me as some sort of wild west US ‘vagabond’) one is not prejudice if they do not defend my family’s indigenous lands, when defending indigenous lands of people of America. Race in genetics is not black or white. A black man can carry similar Y-DNA as myself. Racism is when you defend indigenous lands, of Native Americans, then genocide indigenous lands of my race, of people which lived between the kingdoms, and made for America a self governing nation of free speech and religious freedoms, not one which I am being silenced by admins, and a non US company FTDNA which allows that, because the constitution of my nation’s state no matter what color of skin you have, though you may have the basically the same gene, and a black-white marriage is not genetically an inter-racial marriage. Even if you are born white and your indigenous lands are overseas, one has the right to defend them as their ancestors did over five hundred years ago, even though they may have and can not help it being born a WASP male. – Wha Daur Meddle Wi’ Me? http://www.rampantscotland.com/poetry/blpoems_daur.htm The Middle March Clan of the Scottish side of the border, the Armstrong, Elliot, Nixon and Crozier we stick together, do not care much what the others may say, we just pitch-in and feel the best will come of it. Over a half century ago, we were talking about peace on earth, and it was an Armstrong not on earth but on the moon which was talking to a Nixon on earth. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/President-Nixon-speaking-with-astronauts-Armstrong-and-Aldrin-on-the-Moon.mp4 The Elwald to become Ellot, acquired the lands of Redheugh and Larriston, in the fifteenth century; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sasine_deed_1484_for_Robert_Elwald_%28Elliot%29,_Redheugh,_Larriston,_Hartsgarth.jpg Heart of ‘Angus’ which passed the lands to Robert Elwald X, is on the right of Sir James Douglas carred but died in process the heart of Robert the Bruce; https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Heart-of-Douglas.jpg Like
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July 13 @ 10:58am
Surnames which migrated from Debatable Lands & Liddesdale to County Fermanagh (Maguire), Ulster Plantation. The History of Liddesdale, Eskdale, Ewesdale, Wauchopedale and the Debateable Land: By Robert Bruce Armstrong, Volume 1 Robert Bruce Armstrong D. Douglas, 1883 – “Debateable land” (Scotland) https://books.google.com/books/about/The_History_of_Liddesdale_Eskdale_Ewesda.html?id=nFr7oQEACAAJ Author best known for; The Irish and the Highland Harps Volume 1 of “Musical Instruments” by Robert Bruce Armstrong https://www.wirestrungharp.com/library/rba_harps/
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July 12 @ 10:38pm
https://gorrenberry.com/elliot-glendinning-r-l193-sub-l513/ correction; Glendinning of Glendinning
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July 8 @ 1:44pm
Been posting to FTDNA McGowan, and am finding similarities to name origins; https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/mcgowan/activity-feed
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June 28 @ 12:28pm
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July 8 @ 2:37pm
https://elwald.com/clan-elliot-29th-chief-margaret-eliott-of-redhuegh-stobs/ Note the Rücker-Grünberg-Ewald (‘wald’; forest), where the elk (moose) are being spotted in Germany between Berlin and Poland. https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:R%C3%BCcker,1890:Gr%C3%BCnberg,1890:Ewald Match a Grünberg (green mountain) https://www.google.com/maps/place/Gr%C3%BCnberg,+09573+Augustusburg,+Germany/@50.8275203,13.1001976,15z/ which has place name locality at 12 markers exact. Like
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June 14 @ 3:09pm
Map from this feed. Basically; ‘Fleming’ a person from Flanders. ‘Scott’ a person from Gaelic speaking Scotland. This ‘Fleming’ is I feel highly accurate, but with surname origins of a trading area with Scotland could carrying various Y-DNA.
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June 14 @ 11:53am
https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3613170?dpr=2&fit=max&h=397&w=590 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Saxton-1579.jpg The Border Papers: 1560-1594.- Vol. 2. 1595-1603 Great Britain. Public Record Office H.M. General Register House, 1894 – Great Britain https://books.google.com/books?id=tNINAQAAMAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&dq=Calendar+of+Border+Papers&source=gbs_navlinks_s https://named.publicprofiler.org/ https://sites.rootsweb.com/~gallgaedhil/
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June 10, 2020 @ 11:16am
Remind anyone of anything? (for the Y-DNA to be valid, the history has to be correct) https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Peace-On-The-Border.mp3 Peace on the Border Song by Steeleye Span Lyrics; After the riding we dispersed, We drifted home in twos and threes. Through cold and rain we spat and cursed, This ancient war of families. Armies past and then returned, They killed and raped, they stole and burnt. So from the cradle we have learnt, To be as hard as stone. And learned to stand alone. They are gone now, the killing and disorder, They’re just ghosts now, the brigand and marauder. And we give thanks for peace on the border, We give thanks for peace on the border. Cloak and dagger, crime on crime, Anarchy in the borderlands. The king’s men came with a valentine, To break to power of the border clans. Some were hung, some sent away, To Ireland and the low countries. Great was the price they had to pay, God bless their memory, And god bless you and me. The broken towers that stand today, Stand for peace and order. Reminding us until the day, That we need no more borders. Source: Musixmatch Songwriters: Rick Kemp Peace on the Border lyrics © Peermusic (uk) Ltd. Available on Play Music Apple Music Deezer iHeartRadio Description Artist: Steeleye Span Album: Back in Line Released: 1986 Genre: Rock https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Scottish-Clans-Armstrong-BBC-Stewart-kings.mp4 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Armstrong-Border-Pacification-Genocide-BBC-1.mp4 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Scottish-Clans-12-18-Clan-ArmstrongConverted-split-002731-002800-201704011351196358.mp4 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/SELLING-SCOTS-AS-SLAVES-IS-FUNNY-TO-THE-TORIES-2.mp4 (in the Y-DNA) Armstrong (army strong).
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June 7, 2020 @ 4:22pm
https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3606085?dpr=2&fit=max&h=305&w=590 Galicia, Ukraine, Births, Marriages, and Deaths, 1789-1905 Text-only collection; Name: Isak Grünspan Event Type: Marriage Marriage Year: 1868 Marriage City: Husiatyn Name: Uszer Grünspan Event Type: Death Death Year: 1892 Death City: Czortkow http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/pic%5CJ%5CE%5CJews_Map.jpg South to southeast of; Ternopil (Тернопіль) Ternopil Oblast, Ukraine. That FTDNA Y-DNA data is a great tool for the family history genealogist. Mom’s maiden name is Barna, and other than mom she went by Alma Barna Elliott. Stephen Barna is the father of mom’s dad Stephen Peter Barna. My name Mark Stephen Elliott, comes from both my grand parents, dad’s dad containing the Y-DNA, Mark (no middle name) Elliott. Was given a middle name from a family name line on his birth certificate but rejected it. Stephen Peter Barna, mom’s father does not have Y-DNA or mtDNA but shows of it in autosomal DNA, but his wife Josephine Ryan carries the mtDNA, and is of southern Ireland.
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June 2, 2020 @ 10:08am
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May 26, 2020 @ 1:54pm
“Delivered by Alexander as his act and deed in the presence of us underwritten to his master Goodman Stratton. Richard Norcross, John Cloys Wee consent to the turning over of this Servant to Samuel Stratton the 19th of the 8 mo: 1652 Increase Nowell, William Hibbins. Recorded 25:4: 1653 By me Tho Danforth Recorder” https://scottishprisonersofwar.com/alexander-gordon-individual-contract-with-master-john-cloise/ To censor and deny on the use of documentation integrated with DNA, what’s the difference then the Nazis censoring the Jews in Germany? Thomas Danforth of Danforth Farms, Framingham, MA, where family built mill in on Otter Neck, and after Salem Trials were refugees in Salem End on land provided by a Salem Witch Trial Judge Thomas Danforth, the above recorder.
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May 26, 2020 @ 12:56pm
Correlating mtDNA, Y-DNA, and autosomal DNA to the Gordon surname. Only match is felt useful for genealogical mtDNA purposes is the genetic distance of ‘0’ for mtDNA, which does seemly as maiden name is ‘Gordon’. 2nd-4th cousin on autosomal DNA, and match downstream SNP of R-U106 at R-S16361, which shows strength in Scotland, but in mapping localities the Dalvggus is questioned if it does not present a map reference, the Gordonstown two and Huntley Castle of a majority of the census of Gordons is more if felt properly mapped in the region of Aberdeenshire.
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May 26, 2020 @ 10:22am
My Y-DNA is so rare among Elliott is has been vanquished with the ‘Cowie’ of Gorrenberry. https://elwald.com/cowie-of-goranberry/ Also quite rare among any surname group that admins use it’s rarity as a way to dismiss me, though the first two individuals to have their genomes fully mapped carried R-U106 Y-DNA also. Have been doing genealogy for over a half century, am a second generation genealogist, worked as a mine engineer, retired from teaching computer programming, science, and mathematics to mainly Navajo. My colleges and department heads at the level taught UNM-Gallup, and secondary were international, and the students indigenous Americans. My community of Gallup, NM is quite patriotic, https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Gallup-NM-Most-Patriotic-Small-Town-in-America-Rand-McNally-Best-of-the-Road-Submission.mp4 We in Gallup, and I religiously as written in my nation’s constitution the of speech, and necessity to any FTDNA feed to be searching family history and a part of my Quaker spirituality, of one being lead not leading or suppressing information given. Not on the Elliot(t) FTDNA site though I carry an Elliott FTDNA Y-DNA, be excluded by someone of a nation my ancestors separated from in 1776, which nation flies the flag of Border Family genocide, https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Armstrong-Border-Pacification-Genocide-BBC.mp4 and of this family grouping; Armstrong, Elliott, Nixon, and Crozier. Like Armstrong and Nixon, believe in world peace; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/President-Nixon-speaking-with-astronauts-Armstrong-and-Aldrin-on-the-Moon.mp4 Though my home has been at time quarantined from the Navajo Nation; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Gallup-NM-Most-Patriotic-Small-Town-in-America-Rand-McNally-Best-of-the-Road-Submission.mp4 Though wife is a veteran she works at Gallup Indian Medical Center, retired from Indian Health Service she is working as a civilian dietitian. To do genealogy, one has to accept the other is right about their family. Censoring supplied family information not manner how annoyed one may be at it make one an anti-genealogists. Ladies seem to make the best family genealogists. They seem to extract information, which pertains to there family, and do not get so offended by context. With Y-DNA carrying genealogists, given two the one which censors information is not a genealogists, but the one which extracts the family information is. Only when families speak freely about their families do people get accurate family history. Any censoring of family information provided except by the receiver which can close this page, makes the feed useless to the genealogists, but useful to the Harvard Profs, having people to paid for the data to become ‘lab rats’ they are utilizing in their studies, this in the same manner Cotton Mather’s science to hang witches. If you like me know your SNP upstream and downstream, plus which group of Elliott you are matching, though their are extreme non-genealogists like an admin on the FTDNA which has censored me a number of times, which will say that I a second generation genealogist, retired computer-science-math instructor, should be silenced in the manner Hitler silenced Jews, if you will allow a modern day family genealogists, and amateur like golf Bobby Jones give you and answer I would be most honored if my freedoms which my nation so prizes of speech which is one of them is not censored by one of these so called genetic genealogists. https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/ He is referenced by the German Wiki which does not like the English Wiki censor him, or me; https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Elliot Census data shows many of County Fermanagh likely because of THE TROUBLES migrated to West Germany; https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1996:Maguire,1996:Johnston,1996:Armstrong,1996:McManus,1996:Elliott On Daniel Elliot Y-DNA Cluster https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Daniel-Elliot-cluster.jpg https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/DNA-analysis-verses-the-genealogy-of-Framingham-MA-vitals-1024×434.jpg Great Grandfather Daniel Elliot, Tullykelter, Co Fermanagh, Ulster, Ireland. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullykelter_Castle https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Armstrong-Elliott-Johnston-Fermanagh-surname-distribution-map.jpg Self explanatory something a non-genealogical geneticists may not know; ONE DOES NOT GET TO CHOOSE THEIR ANCESTORS If someone chooses to censor because I am doing ancestral family history on the ancestors I was born with in accordance to genetic science, and not the genetics of Hitler’s Superior Race, Harvard or Cotton Mather Puritan ‘status quo’, making family historians using their Y-DNA being LAB RATS and you do not allow this then you are not genetic or genealogists.
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May 24, 2020 @ 11:32pm
https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3592729?dpr=2&fit=max&h=312&w=590 15th chief Robert Ellot, removed from Redheugh, living at Larriston, marries Jean Scott, daughter of Buccleuch, and feuds with the Armstrong (Lock the Door Larriston…. Armstrongs are flying), has his first child 16th Chief Robert the sons Willaim (Larriston, Hartsgarth, and Dinlabyre) Gavin (name of Jean Scott’s next husband Gavin Ellot of Horseleyhill – Gorrenberry line), then Margaret, by mistress Margaret ‘Maggie’ Kidd (‘Helen’ Kidd’s curse) of Slaughtree. Gilbert of ‘Golden Gaiters’ because of the enormous dowry including a large amount of land at time of border pacification, marries Margaret ‘Maggie’ Fendy Scott of Harden, not incest because Gilbert is not Buccleuch’s daughter’s son. Condition land to be passed to 1st son not named after father, or Robert, but a William. William sides at first with parliamentarian Sir John Eliot, of St. German a different line of Eliot then the Scott, which dies in Tower of London. Adds an ‘i’ to the name Ellot c1650 then it becomes Elliot, but began supporting like the Scots of the Border do as a Royalist Charles II, change name of Stobs to Eliott, not to be a supporter of Cromwell, then hangs himself so his estate would not be taken as a Cromwellian War Tax. His first son Gilbert becomes Sir Gilbert because Charles II becomes king of England, and family supported him. Gilbert of ‘Golden Gaiters’ is of Redheugh-Larriston-Stob, and on the bend of the shield is an elwand of the Elwand/Elwald/Ellot/Elliot/Eliott, an Edinburgh standard of measurement in the seventeenth century when the shield was adopted. Gavin Ellot line stems from the William of Gorrenberry family, which uses the shield at the time before the lines branch with the stag-head on it symbolizing the Elwald ‘elk of the forest’ line of Ellot. My line stems from William Elwald of Gorrenberry, helping to oversee the transfer of lands to tenth chief Robert Elwald from Archibald Douglas fifth earl of Angus, late fifteenth century. History to be published in the UK has to genocide the ‘Cowie’ William Elwald of Gorrenberry line. So in the UK but not in Germany and the United States since the Elwald line does not exist, and the ‘Cowie’ is dead, that makes me vanquished for the United Kingdom in a true sense of genocide of Unvanquished Armstrong, and Vanquished Gorrenberry, the ‘Cowie’ still exists. If one is in existence but vanquished that makes them a ‘Cowie’, and since I am a descendant of Andrew (alias Dand the Cowie son Andrew Dan the Cow Burgess of Selkirk second son Clementis Hobs (ie Clement Crozier’s sister’s son Robert Elliott)), I get to exist in the Scottish UK as a ‘Cowie’. https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Cowie-of-Gorrenberry-death.jpg . Descendants were in New England when the ‘Cowie’ died, but for the Scottish UK, Gorrenberry died off, but for America, Gorrenberry lived on, and are descended from the Proto-Germanic R-U106 Y-DNA, different from other Elliott. When the Scottish government a subsidiary of England, decides to disband from genocide and desecration of the Middle Shires, and protect them as a National Park like Northumberland does, instead of building electric generating arrays of wind mills on them, producing electricity for England, and by corporations vested into the Scottish Ministry, only then will Scotland began to be free from England as when the border people which were exiled to today’s Brexit/EU border their descendants were living in the borderlands between the two monarchies. Needed for family to have above documented.
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May 24, 2020 @ 6:14pm
One would not think the the Armstrong and Buccleuch of Langholm, along with the Elliot of Hawick, after 500 years would still have to defend the Hermitage Castle from Scotland’s Ministry’s Windy Edge proposed wind farm. https://www.countrylife.co.uk/news/wind-farm-battle-over-scottish-castle-6273 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Reiver-Trail-Magaret-Eliott-chief.mp4 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/The-Reivers-Making-of-the-Borders-Alistair-Moffat-2.mp4 http://www.rampantscotland.com/poetry/blpoems_daur.htm https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/
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May 24, 2020 @ 8:52am
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May 22, 2020 @ 1:09pm
Click right and open in new tab for larger image. https://www.familytreedna.com/public/U106?iframe=yresults https://named.publicprofiler.org/ SNPs are getting into the reach of research genealogists. Above shows the importance of integrated, already established tools of the family in finding history and incorporating them into the mapping, or else you may get result in error of Sutherland for the grouping, when it should be north Aberdeenshire, around in this example Gordonstown. Two Gordonstown of region; https://www.google.com/maps/place/Gordonstown,+Banff+AB45+2HB,+UK/@57.488676,-2.7746371,9.85z/ https://www.google.com/maps/place/Gordonstown,+Inverurie+AB51+8XL,+UK/@57.2505594,-2.4683934,8.71z/ https://canmore.org.uk/site/334103/auchterblair https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Gordon
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May 15, 2020 @ 8:48pm
Click right to open larger image in new tab. https://www.familytreedna.com/public/ODonoghue?iframe=ycolorized Seem like Donohoe which may compare to some McGuire. One may out of curiosity check for Donohoe matches.
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May 10, 2020 @ 7:14pm
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May 14, 2020 @ 12:50pm
The Breifne report continues to amaze me and it’s only at Y37! Imagine using today’s L513 numbers at the Y111 AND include the SNP tree?? I wish I was smart enough to compile and sort the data in a meaningful way.
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April 26, 2020 @ 9:33pm
If anyone has anything to say about their family, now is certainly the time to speak up because no on is stopping you. People to help Bradley and I out you need to speak up.
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April 25, 2020 @ 3:37pm
Bradley McGuire, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY4VhWyf_ac&t=6s https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=BYU+genealogy You are big time in genealogy now Bradley McGuire. Do not let them know. Learn to do contour mapping through UofU engineering, BYU has the only 4 year program in genealogy in the US.
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April 26, 2020 @ 12:23pm
https://www.thenational.scot/news/17785062.signs-blackening-armstrong-name-removed/ Note; The names of the Scottish Middle March are; Armstrong, Elliott, Nixon and Crozier. The names of the Ulster Middle March are; Maguire, Johnston, Armstrong, McManus, and Elliott.
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April 15, 2020 @ 11:48am
Garth Note the top surname in County Fermanagh (Mag-Uidhir) is from the Gaelic Mag-Uidhir which phonetically Anglicized to Maguire. It is also felt that in Scotland Border region then name may have been MacGuire, after Ulster Plantation migration into County Fermanagh (Mag-Uidhir) became McGuire. This is going to be shared with the FTDNA Mag-Uidhir blog also. So it is most likely how you said, O’Gormley to Gormely, but note, O’Gormley may be mildly Anglicized also. Though the Gaelic have a tendency of feeling they utilized the ‘son of’, it should be noted that the Scandinavians, also use the daughter of a father in naming. Before; Reformation Christian/Catholic.
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April 11, 2020 @ 7:23pm
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April 11, 2020 @ 10:01am
Though been trying to test downstream on my SNP with FTDNA, it does not seem to allow me to. So went with Yseq on R-A6719 and R-A6722, this gave me a testing value below that which 23andME was able to returned and when I tested FTDNA R-S16361. They came up the same. A corporation is able to control which SNP can be tested and therefore the outcome of there restricted data set, by restricting people which are in given FTDNA data groups. The outcome is only as good as the data it uses an that is why I have been behind the data procedures of PoBI all the way; https://www.peopleofthebritishisles.org/
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April 11, 2020 @ 11:32am
I understand your point here Mark. However, each lab has their own set of “standards” or cut off points regarding the quality of the marker or SNP. I look at the position of a named SNP to check for other folks nomenclature. There are many, many SNPs with more than one “name” L513 is DF1 and S215…all depends on which list you are looking at.
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April 11, 2020 @ 11:29am
If you get rid of family, even the ‘in-laws’, your family tree can not be correct. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullykelter_Castle For the Brigham researchers note on map it is ‘Whitley’ not ‘Whitney’, below those Wilson. What kind of Irish name is ‘Wilson’ anyway? https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/President-Obama-on-the-influence-of-Ulster-settlers-on-America..mp4 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/From-Ulster-to-US-surname-Wilson.mp4 Now ‘Elliott’ that is Irish (1607-1650). Family fought for king Charles II, as Royalists on side of Irish, and ended up in America; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Cromwells-invasion-of-Ireland-Why-Does-Everyone-Hate-The-English.mp4 The Anglican and Catholic farmers on both sides of the EU-Brexit line, are inter-married since an Armstrong married a Maguire Princess in the day of Cromwell and Charles II and are still on the same side NO BORDER IN IRELAND. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/President-Nixon-speaking-with-astronauts-Armstrong-and-Aldrin-on-the-Moon.mp4 “A sixteenth century traveller in what was known as the ‘cockpit’ of the Borders, on finding no churches, asked a Borderer ‘Are there no Christians in Liddesdale?’. To which he was answered ‘Na, we’s all Elliots and Armstrongs’!” https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/ Brigham people, see it is ‘Whitley’, not ‘Whitney’, on above map, below that Irish name ‘Wilson’. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Armstrong-Elliott-Johnston-Fermanagh-surname-distribution-map.jpg Can not leave out the Elliott chief; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Reiver-Trail-Magaret-Eliott-chief.mp4 Like
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April 10, 2020 @ 7:08pm
County Fermanagh is Anglican, which intermarried and fought of the side of the Irish, as Charles II Royalists, against Cromwell. Transported as slaves to the American colony which included my ancestry. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/SELLING-SCOTS-AS-SLAVES-IS-FUNNY-TO-THE-TORIES-2.mp4?_=1 https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Maguire,1890:Johnston,1890:Armstrong,1890:McManus,1890:Elliott https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1996:Maguire,1996:Johnston,1996:Armstrong,1996:McManus,1996:Elliott https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Some it seems did not want to put up with The Troubles on the Co Fermanagh Border so they moved to Germany. Yes that is correct, my ancestry was transported to America as slaves for supporting the king. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Cromwells-invasion-of-Ireland-Why-Does-Everyone-Hate-The-English.mp4
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April 9, 2020 @ 7:37pm
Click right button then ‘Open image in new tab’ for enlargement. Next to Maguire as a surname in County Fermanagh, Johnston, of the Scottish Johnstone is second. https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Johnson/default.aspx?section=yresults https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Carruthers?iframe=yresults Wonder where that I-CTS11603 Y-DNA is from. https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Carruthers likely from a single male I-CTS11603 Y-DNA, which does not seem to have any matches to the Brus/Bruce family but relation of Mouswald Carruthers, seem to share the same shield with the Pickering of Oswaldkirk, Yorkshire, Brus/Bruce family relations. Noted, share Y-DNA first 12 markers with Cave ‘de Cave’, and Scarborough. The Bruce had land of Cave, North and South, in east Riding Yorkshire, and in Annandale, land also of the Nicholas Stuteville (Nicholforest), and Wake families. The Stuteville had land of Gresham Castle, and Scarborough region, also of The Mote, which had Liddel Strength Castle on it of the Wake and Stuteville. No previous is pretty rough, but feel people are checking the research. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Clan-Johnston.mp4
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April 8, 2020 @ 1:10pm
Listen to the chief though she may think of me as a wild west US ‘vagabond’; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/The-Elliot-Clan-by-Newcastleton-Primary-School-Scots-Language-Project-2018-1.mp4 To Derek James Stewart ‘Wha daur Meddle wi Me?’ Mark Stephen Elliott http://www.rampantscotland.com/poetry/blpoems_daur.htm
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April 7, 2020 @ 10:06pm
R-P312/S116 > Z290 > L21/S145 > DF13 > L513/S215/DF1 > S5668 > Z16340 > FGC9807 > FGC9795 > FGC9804 > FGC9809 > Z16334 > FGC9800 > Z16337 > BY3093
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April 5, 2020 @ 2:54pm
https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3541644?dpr=2&fit=max&h=288&w=590 For the Moffat ally; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/The-Reivers-Making-of-the-Borders-Alistair-Moffat-2.mp4 For the R-L193 Crozier-Elliott relatives; Group 4 – R1b-L21 > L193 (predicted) Matching to Elliotts. 319301 Crosier Adam Crosier (b. 1751 in Scotland, d. 1829) Scotland R-M269 429646 Crozier John Crozier born 1782 Durham died? England R-BY14138 https://gorrenberry.com/elliot-glendinning-r-l193-sub-l513/ Of Scottish Middle March; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/President-Nixon-speaking-with-astronauts-Armstrong-and-Aldrin-on-the-Moon.mp4 https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/
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April 4, 2020 @ 8:58pm
Bradley McGuire, Had to share this with someone, but this is one of the craziest pieces of genealogy, I have ever came across. Met this guy Lucio Gomes in different FTDNA blogs. Live with native peoples around my hometown of Gallup, New Mexico. Could tell Lucio Gomes, where Gomes is a Portuguese surname, and he looks Native American to me. Forenames Lecio and Xmenez are Brazilian names so they are from Brazil, but it seems like people are referring to this population of Native Americans as being from the United States which they are not. The Y-DNA did travel through today’s US to Brazil, and feel this is making the confusion and why people are referring to these people as US Native Americans. Lucio speaks Portuguese, and one time he forgot to utilize the Portuguese to English translator, so it came out in the blog ending to be English as Portuguese. He was on the Dunbar site, but Cockburn is the family he is from share similar Y-DNA. He kept asking me questions and we seem to work things out. Though both of our families fought in the Cromwellian Civil against Cromwell, his fought at The Battle of Dunbar, and likely was transported on to Barbados then Brazil. Mine fought in The Battle of Worcester and ended up with the Puritans in Massachusetts. Working together we came up with this graphic on the Dunbar-Cockburn Y-DNA, which it seems people are showing a lot of interest in; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Dunbar.jpg The graphic I thought it was are reconstruction of Lucio, but it is; Robert the Bruce Facial reconstruction•Oct 31, 2018 as found on YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llSn-bTRNCo He I feel does not speak English, and feel that we can not communicate in the spoken language, but with translation of the written language we were able to communicate.
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April 4, 2020 @ 3:20pm
One does not get rid of the in-laws. Like (note; feel FTDNA Clan Irwin Surname of James M. Irwin, and myself feel this is about as far back as I can go with my Y-DNA) Write a comment… Mark ElliottMark Elliott 5 hours ago Maurice Anderson 5 hours ago Hi Mark. The group Administrators do not have access to you kit, which I assume is kit 101829 in the name of Mark Stephen Elliott. You have only given the Administrators ” Limited Access” in order to investigate your match with the Anderson group. This Anderson match on this kit only appears to be at the y-DNA 12 match. Is this your kit number? I do find the information you have added very interesting however. Like Mark Elliott 1 hour ago Maurice Anderson, Paid money for data, and to use that data to do extend my family history. No one can do family history unless all are allowed to speak freely. FTDNA has kicked me off several blogs. That is not allowing for my free speech. It does not do me any good if eventually I develop this free speech if I am the only one not allowed to be kicked out of blogs. Do not have free speech on many blogs that is why I circumvent on other blogs. It is part of my most conservative believes as soon as my family came from the UK, to me they have the Union-Jack and laugh people as Royalists fighting in the Battle of Dunbar being ‘transported as slaves to the colonies’; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/SELLING-SCOTS-AS-SLAVES-IS-FUNNY-TO-THE-TORIES-2.mp4?_=1 Mine were transported to the Colony of Massachusetts. Where a Scottish tourist has the virus; https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scot-barbados-field-hospital-after-21808977 Some of the first Scots there arrived in Barbados in the 1650s. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Scottish-Barbados-Indentures.mp4?_=2 A school called Harvard produced high educated types which came high in the church and judges in the witch trials. Many great testified in defense of Elizabeth Proctor; https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Daniel-Elliot-Salem-1692-testimony.jpg Y-DNA verifies this; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/A6724.jpg One of the people which produced the science for witch hangings felt this about William Penn; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Cotton-Mather-Wm-Penn-2.jpg To have people dismiss people is like having the Harvard Cotton Mather give science for their day for hanging witches, or Hitler having scientists which agree with him produce a superior race. One can not steer away from ones own beliefs, to do family history-genealogy, because those beliefs, with me in my conservatism Mar 28, 1692 of my many verified by Y-DNA great is people get to speak freely when doing family history. The Constitution of my nation was written in Philadelphia, a town first settled by William Penn and his people, what would happen to freedom of speech and religion in the American Constitution if William Penn and his people were as Cotton Mather a Puritan a supporter of Cromwell would have done. It is those Harvard Puritanical ideologies in Boston which hung witches and Quakers for their expression of speaking freely and Mary Dyer a Quaker in Boston for her religious freedoms. Though the Latter Day Saints and the Jews, and of tribes of Israel are of the chosen people, been utilizing the services because of the beliefs of a tribe of Israel, which came to America, and offers what they call baptism to their ancestors. Always in the utilization at first the largest data base pre-web, never in a half century was I ever censored from utilizing materials in their library which many are being made available online, nor do people which I share (genealogy-family history is sharing not dictating), family history with shares their, and this is how people naturally do it. To constrain it by people that are these Harvard Puritan types, does not allow the free flow of family history among people, and any FTDNA which has administrators which constrain this free flow is not a genealogical family history site. There are some blog with do not have administrators, and just co-administrators which can not dismiss people for what they say about these families. These blogs which just have co-administrators, and no administrator, are genealogical family history blogs of FTDNA. Unless all have the right to speak freely as in the Family History Library, Salt Lake City, Utah, on the FTDNA blogs, accurate family history can not be truly found with FTDNA which follows a corporate structure to silence people to try to maximize their profits. Like Mark Elliott 15 minutes ago The chief’s https://elwald.com/clan-elliot-29th-chief-margaret-eliott-of-redhuegh-stobs/ family was given a large dowry to marry into the Scots of Harden. Good old George Fox convinced part of the family of Harden to become Quakers, about 1657 and they imprison him in Edinburgh; (don’t have to read you have your own family histories to discover, though it is by Walter Scot) Raeburn is near https://maps.nls.uk/view/00000402#zoom=5&lat=3688&lon=5693&layers=BT the Irvine of Bonshaw, and where Kinmont Willie Armstrong is buried, who the Scots of Harden, and part of my Gorrenberry family helped to rescue from Carlisle Castle, along with some Bell, and Armstrong; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/HISTORY-HUNTERS-Kinmont-Willie-Armstrong.mp4 There is an old proverb which assures that truth be told by laughing; La Prision d’Édimbourg (The Prision of Edinburgh) By Walter Scott “2 There is an old proverb which assures that truth be told by laughing. The existence Walter Scott third son of Sir William Scott of Harden is educated as they say by charter bearing the great seal Domino William Scott of Harden militi and Walter Scott “suo legitimo tertio genito terrarum” (world,legitimate begotten) of Roberton. (See the Baronage of Douglas page 215). The old gentleman left his four sons considerable estates and gave those of Eilrig de Raeburn to his third. He who is the ancestor of Scott Raeburn and Waverly. author 11 Appears to have converted to the Quakers or Friends’ doctrine and became a great advocate of principles. It was probably when George Fox, the apostle of the sect, made a nun in the north of Scotland about 1657 AD. It is on this occasion that he says that as soon as the horse had set foot on the land of Scotland he felt the seed of grace shining around him like countless sparks. At the same time no doubt that Sir Gideon of Highchester’s second son William and the ancestor of the friend and parent of the author the representative of the family of Harden also embraced Quakerism. Gideon the latter converted entered into controversy with the Rev. James Kirkton author of the true and secret history of Scotland, which is mentioned by my ingenious friend Charles Kirkpatrick Sharpe in this remarkable and curious edition of this work in 1817. Sir William Scott, the Brethren of the Brothers, remained in the midst of this defection an orthodox member of the church Presbyterian and us a uproot Walter de Raeburn to his heresy means that were more of persecution than persuasion. He was helped in his efforts by MacDougal of Makerston brother of Isabelle MacDougal wife of Walter and who like her husband had adopted the religion of Quakers Sir William Scott’s influence and that of Makerston were powerful enough to obtain two subsequent acts of the Privy Council of Scotland against Walter de Raeburn as heretic quakerism the co-inventor to be imprisoned first in the Edinburgh….” https://books.google.com/books?id=Q8IBc4HvDSgC&pg=PA10&dq=%22Walter+de+Raeburn%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiDguOZh9PYAhVD32MKHR69DOkQ6AEISjAE#v=onepage&q=%22Walter%20de%20Raeburn%22&f=false Please let me know which links are not working right, I will see if I can do something to repair them. (added note; please do not get me in trouble with chief Margaret, 17th cousin twice removed, sure she thinks of me as some sort of wanted ‘vagabond’ from the wild west of the USA)
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April 3, 2020 @ 10:47am
https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3539621?dpr=2&fit=max&h=288&w=590 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/ballads-of-the-Border-Reivers..mp4 https://historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/ https://electricscotland.com/webclans/atoc/clancrozier.pdf http://clancrozier.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Nixsoun-Nixon.jpg
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April 1, 2020 @ 12:41pm
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April 1, 2020 @ 11:03am
https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3537637?dpr=2&fit=max&h=186&w=590 FTDNA R-L513 and Subclades The reason for the R-U106 and R-193 match, is that it is many generations ago, and the names evolved from Elwald/Ewald of Germany, Ellwood (North England), Ellot (Angus/Scotlan), Ellot + Eliot (England/France) became Elliot c.1650, family was in arrival to the American Colony then. Migration from Scotland to Ulster to America also took place with the R-L193 Glendinning of Glendinning Scotland, County Tyrone Ulster, Ireland, and into Mt. Ayr, Iowa, Rice Township Ringgold County, USA of my family of Elliott. https://elwald.com/ftdna-r-l513-and-subclades/ https://gorrenberry.com/ftdna-r-l513-and-subclades/
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March 31, 2020 @ 10:37am
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March 29, 2020 @ 12:36am
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/scottishmapping/about See any similarities?
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March 29, 2020 @ 2:35pm
Mark, As a general “rule”, I only find Y12 & Y25 useful for Hg estimates. Both simply indicate R1b+, for my uses. Just to definitively see L21+ requires a Y67 level. Below the L21+ level? I use SNPs. Period. Yes, I can guesstimate a Mag Uidhir A2 from Y37 but really prefer Y67 for clarity (DYS425 is only at Y67 & Y111 and this is one of the key factors between A1 & A2). I get it, not everyone can afford a Big Y 700. But a Y67 plus the S5668 SNP Pack will at lest define what branch a person falls into. Fortunately both here and over at my main project, Airghialla Mag Uidhir, we are blessed with some extraordinary, aggressive pioneers! Without their willing support, our branches would be drastically pruned!
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March 28, 2020 @ 1:03pm
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March 27, 2020 @ 12:59pm
https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3532578?dpr=2&fit=max&h=304&w=590 https://archive.org/details/chroniclesofarms00arms/page/29/mode/2up https://maps.nls.uk/view/00000400#zoom=5&lat=3687&lon=6223&layers=BT https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/ https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/If-you-do-not-like-an-EU-Border-around-County-Fermanagh-the-solution-is-to-move-to-Germany..jpg https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Maguire,1996:Maguire,1890:Johnstone,1996:Johnstone,1890:Armstrong,1996:Armstrong,1890:McManus,1996:McManus,1890:Elliott,1996:Elliott https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Albert-Bird-Armstrong-genealogists.png https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/antiquity/article/people-of-the-british-isles-project-and-viking-settlement-in-england/54E19CAFF9AC2BEB39EAEC826BEDBC63
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March 26, 2020 @ 11:43am
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Brigham,+Driffield+YO25+8JW,+UK/@53.9694272,-0.3655686,15z/ https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Fox,1890:Fuchs https://forebears.io/surnames/fox https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/fox-dna/about/background has I-M253 Stephanie Ray is an excellent Co-Admin of FTDNA of Yorkshire. The ones managed by Co-Admins such as Bradley McGuire of FTDNA Mag-Uidhir with no Admins are the best genealogical sites, because they can not dismiss people from their sites. Tried without success to get people on the Argyll Colony North Carolina site to riot, but so far have had no success at it. https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/yorkshire/dna-results https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/mag-uidhir/activity-feed https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/argyll-colony-north-carolina/activity-feed
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March 24, 2020 @ 4:39pm
https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Looks like the spot has been found a Y-DNA grouping with surnames Mag-Uidhir – Maguire – M(a)cGuire, and Ewald – Elwold – Ellwood – Ellot(t) (1st in Ulster Plantation) evolved from. https://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/dtog/elliot65.jpg Estimated time pass, would be before 1320 the Declaration of Abroath, when Scotland through Robert the Bruce became a separate kingdom. 12 with 1 off is about 70%, but 25 with 2 off is about 90% for about 720 years divided by 30 years a generation, makes approximately 24 generations, which was the number of generations used.
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March 25, 2020 @ 8:21am
Bradley McGuire 18 hours ago “Mark, If your Elliot ancestor married a Maguire princess…that would only show up in your autosomal DNA not Y DNA (recall, male only descent).” True family history comes when people of the same family share information. Information on ones own family can not be obtained from ones self but has to be obtain from others. When one speaks from their own family, and you are not of it they have to be correct. Bradley the above statement is what I needed. Should be noted that I am Y-DNA related to both the McGuire and the Maguire spellings. ‘hot spot’ census surname concentration localities for MacGuire and Ellwood surname are close to the same. If I were to say the name pronounced Mag-Uidhir/MacGuire/McGuire/Maguire or Elwold/Elwood/Ellwood, would you know for certain which spelling to use. Mag-Uidhir or Elwold are today archaic and you would likely not use them. The best guess would be the names McGuire and Ellwood, they are the most common, but MacGuire, Maguire, and Elwood, are in use today, so you could not be certain the proper spelling was used. Lets say west of Kendal, England there is a grouping of people, but one given different name by pronunciation. One group moves onto Ireland, and acquires the name Mag-Uidhir, Anglicized to Maguire, after arrival of English. The other people migrate north into Scotland and acquire the name MacGuire, and began to settle the Ulster Plantation as McGuire. The other family with an Anglo-Saxon origin name in England the spelling Elwald becomes Elwold then Ellwood, but when it migrates to the Ulster Plantation it becomes Elwood, but some of these Elwald migrate into Scotland and become Ellot(t), migrating into the Ulster Plantatin as Ellot(t), but with influence of the English the name gets Anglicized to Elliott. One of these Elwald-Elliott, then ends up having way back in time on his Y-DNA; Maguire and McGuire ancestry.
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March 24, 2020 @ 5:10pm
Mag-Uidhir migrated to Ulster became Maguire, Ellwood migrated to Ulster became Elwood. Mag-Uidir to Scotland became MacGuire then to Ulster as McGuire. Ellwood to Scotland became Ellott, then onto Ulster in c.1610 as Ellott. Surname adoption pool near Kendal. I’m one of the very few which carry the R-U106 Ewald gene, though other Y-DNA most likely represented in the ‘hotspot’ pool. People in group may want to check for Elwood/Ellwood – Elliot(t) Y-DNA matches.
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March 24, 2020 @ 9:23am
https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3529348?dpr=2&fit=max&h=301&w=590 It’s those Armstrong marrying that Maguire princess, https://archive.org/details/chroniclesofarms00arms/page/327/mode/2up/search/Maguire and the Elliott, not knowing any better seem to follow those dang Armstrong. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/McGuires-of-Fermanagh.mp4 That’s why I ended up with the Maguire/McGuire in my Y-DNA. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Cromwell-Armstrong-Unvanquished.jpg https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/BBC-timeline-Oliver-Cromwell.jpg https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Cromwells-invasion-of-Ireland-Why-Does-Everyone-Hate-The-English.mp4
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Bradley McGuire
March 24, 2020 @ 2:13pm
Mark, If your Elliot ancestor married a Maguire princess…that would only show up in your autosomal DNA not Y DNA (recall, male only descent).
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Mark Elliott
March 24, 2020 @ 4:31pm
Like you said it is not autosomal, but feel it is in association. Could be at a time in which the pre-surname Mag-Uidhir/Maguire/M(a)cGuire, were in association in the Cumbria region, with the pre-surname Ewald-Ellwood-Elliott. Making a graphic showing ‘hotspot’ MacGuire and Ellwood.
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March 24, 2020 @ 10:53am
https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3529459?dpr=2&fit=max&h=259&w=590 https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/mccall-caithness/about/background https://www.caithness.org/history/historyofcaithness/chapter6/index.htm https://gorrenberry.com/elliot-glendinning-r-l193-sub-l513/ http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland/genealogy/muster/tullyhogue1610.html Muster Roll for Tullyhogue (Tullaghoge) 1610 Transcribed by Teena;…Robert ELLOTT John M’CONNELL… https://gorrenberry.com/john-elwald-1418-rector-st-andrews-conn-mcconnell-mccall-dna-kirkinner-carnesmole/
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March 23, 2020 @ 9:18pm
https://named.publicprofiler.org/ “lessee, Daniel Elliot,” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullykelter_Castle Dand (alias for Andrew) became Daniel from McDaniel. The name Gowan, came from McGowan which is in my Y-DNA. By itself one off twelve would not be significant, but since it is a family name, and the Ellliott and McGowan ‘outspot’, are basically the same in County Fermanagh, Tullykelter Castle where family is from it makes the Y-DNA a significant part of the support system to show where the name ‘Gowan Ellot’, originated from. Know English historians like to write us Elliot up as notorious fighters, likely because we fought the England, and married the Irish, with exception of the border English, we married them also. We were not very good at fighting the border English or Irish, because we considered them family.
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March 22, 2020 @ 9:22am
By: Pam Gibbens http://www.boone-dna.com/FTDNA.htm Greater Houston Weekly / Houston Chronicle April, 2006 Houston-Based Firm is the Largest Genealogical DNA Testing Company In the World More than 80 million people are Actively engaged in it. Numerous websites are inundated with hits from researchers. It’s the second largest and most popular hobby in the United State. What is it? “It” is genealogy, the study of one’s own history and heritage. The pursuit of the past inspires those interested in genealogy to unearth information about long lost relatives and their ancestral homes. While digging around, a few skeletons are sometimes found in the dark recesses of the family closet. Years ago, the duty of record keeping was usually left up to a family member who would scour the libraries and comb through records at the county courthouse to uncover tidbits of lives once lived. Kindly “Aunt Jane” would examine handwritten personal diaries, certificates of marriage and birth and death notices. Like solving a jigsaw puzzle, the process was tedious and time-consuming. Discerning delicious details about distant kin was both fascinating and frustrating. More often than not, a simmering paper trail would eventually grow cold. Today, genealogists and rank amateurs are discovering that their own family trees, with deep roots and expansive canopies of branches, twigs and leaves, are much more complex than they ever imagined. Thanks to the internet and the innovation of two Houston entrepreneurs, you don’t have to be a rocket scientist to be a genealogist. . . . . https://elwald.com/brigham-this-is-the-place-genealogy-with-dna-applied/
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March 21, 2020 @ 7:59pm
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March 15, 2020 @ 6:18am
https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3520084?dpr=2&fit=max&h=459&w=590 https://named.publicprofiler.org/ https://www.familytreedna.com/about Bennett Greenspan, Houston, do you have a problem? Do not know as excellent genealogists know, graphics in Google images, of names such as FTDNA Hammer, FTDNA Behar, FTDNA Estes, and FTDNA Riddell. The above is a pretty popular graphic. Test piloting your genealogical search knowledge base to see if you can be dependent on. Also testing your knowledge, on information to your customers to see if it can be relied upon. Such as multiple exact matches at time of surname adoption. Like that of Grisham with a Castle at time. Could have a name like Irvan de Grissom, meaning Irvan of Grissom castle, becoming Irvan Grissom, or even Gus Grissom of Mitchell, Indiana which gave his life for the space program in Houston. You math has something to be desire. About 2 out of 3 tested have exact 12 markers, 14 24 14 11 11-14 12 12 11 13 13 29 with are https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Denmark?iframe=yresults R1b-M269+>U106+>S19589+ 541 N174668 Niels Peder Rasmussen, b.1843 Maribo,Denmark Denmark R-S11493 14 24 14 12 11-14 12 12 11 13 13 29 https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Niels,1890:Pedersen,1890:Rasmussen Above U106 definitely Danish and definitely traveled over to East Anglican as shown by; https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/antiquity/article/people-of-the-british-isles-project-and-viking-settlement-in-england/54E19CAFF9AC2BEB39EAEC826BEDBC63 https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/7a4c/5dba342577158a33410cfafaf0eae3e8540c.pdf https://www.peopleofthebritishisles.org/ My Ewald/Elwald-Ellot/Ellwood name traveled over, as Anglo-Saxon word ‘wald’ evolved into ‘wold’ then the English ‘wood’ for FOREST. About two out of three of the Gresham with variants carry these twelve markets with is indicative of Proto-Germanic-Anglo-Danish migration across the sea, which many people would agree with an even the People of the British Isles a well done with excellent Genetic sampling has done. Is FTDNA after profits they certainly have not shown to be very good searches, or of knowledge of how to apply Y-DNA to genealogical family migration. Houston you have a problem.
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March 15, 2020 @ 12:28pm
Mark, in my experience (with my own personal kit) I really, only look at Y67>. Nothing below that provides enough STRs to accurately assess a kit. For Maguires, I can usually spot an A2 at Y37. Any STR test with a SNP Pack or Big Y to guide SNP classification is FAR better than STRs alone. Also, keep in mind the “testing demographic”. The vast majority of those who have taken DNA testing reside in Australia, Canada, US and the British Isles. Yes other geographic areas have associated Hgs that may spike up their unique populations, but by and large, especially for R1b folks…western Europe and the Isles are the most likely source. And with any stat based research, in larger numbers comes greater clarity. Cheers Brad
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Mark Elliott
March 15, 2020 @ 12:40pm
https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/3256600.jpg https://elwald.com/clan-elliot-29th-chief-margaret-eliott-of-redhuegh-stobs/ Chief likely wears a bonnet of steel, and thinks I’m some sort of ‘vagabond’. At 29 generations according to FTDNA, Y12, Y25, and Y37, ranked equally and likely close to Y67.
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March 15, 2020 @ 4:30pm
Bradley McGuire, Shared your question with; Belinda Dettmann 19 minutes ago “12 marker matches have most recent common ancestor about 4000 years ago, a bit before surnames were invented. 12-marker matches are of academic interest only.” Mark Elliott 4 hours ago https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/3256600.jpg https://www.rootstech.org/video/you-can-do-dna They say; YOU CAN DO DNA, and are at forefront of today’s genealogy with genetic DNA applied. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Garrett-Hellenthal-The-Genetic-History-of-the-United-Kingdom-the-POBI-project.mp4 https://elwald.com/clan-elliot-29th-chief-margaret-eliott-of-redhuegh-stobs/ Chief likely wears a bonnet of steel, and thinks I’m some sort of ‘vagabond’. At 29 generations according to FTDNA, Y12, Y25, and Y37, ranked equally and likely close to Y67. Bradley Mag-Uidhir Co-Admin no Admin; Had a similar comment with am sharing. Plus comment from highly experience FTDNA Clan Irwin admin; “With a combination of diligence, intuition, peer guidance, genealogical awareness and luck rather than a sophisticated knowledge of biology or mathematics I show that 37 STR markers are often quite sufficient to identify genetic families/surname branches, and one or two SNP Panel tests can be a very cost-effective follow-up to take many testees to near the forefront of this exciting application of citizen science. James M. Irvine” https://ggi2013.blogspot.com/2017/10/james-irvine-speaker-profile.html James M. Irvine; AGREE
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March 12, 2020 @ 10:59am
https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3517068?dpr=2&fit=max&h=305&w=590 https://www.peopleofthebritishisles.org/ https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/7a4c/5dba342577158a33410cfafaf0eae3e8540c.pdf https://www.genealogieonline.nl/en/genealogy-heynen/P13556.php https://www.geni.com/people/Lord-Nicholas-de-Stuteville-Lord-of-Stuteville/6000000001745092033 https://www.genealogieonline.nl/en/genealogy-heynen/P11949.php https://gw.geneanet.org/pierfit?lang=en&pz=hedwige&nz=de+babenberg&ocz=0&p=hugh+de+liddell&n=wake https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9683103 https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/1095/?name=_STUTEVILLE&name_x=1_1&fh=400&fsk=MDsxOTsyMjA-61-&pgoff=11 https://fabpedigree.com/s062/f375094.htm Excluded are; Wiki and Wikitree which did not meet the standards of the above links.
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March 12, 2020 @ 5:25am
https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3516729?dpr=2&fit=max&h=445&w=590 https://elwald.com/ftdna-denmark/ https://gorrenberry.com/ftdna-denmark/ https://named.publicprofiler.org/ https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/ECS-Daniel-group-history-1.png https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Gresham-Grisham-Grissom-12-marker-matches-MSE.jpg https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Daniel-Elliot-Salem-1692-testimony.jpg https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/A6724.jpg https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/finch/activity-feed https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/gresham-grissom/about/background https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/2479712?dpr=2&fit=max&h=302&w=590
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March 10, 2020 @ 11:43pm
(except Reiver map) https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3515516?dpr=2&fit=max&h=302&w=590 https://www.google.com/search?q=FTDNA+Elliott&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjPiqD00pHoAhVjAp0JHf1tA_QQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=FTDNA+Elliott&gs_l=img.3..35i39.75480.77839..78091…0.0..0.148.754.4j3……0….1..gws-wiz-img…….0i24.7DhwPbVcJlA&ei=i3FoXo-ZA-OE9PwP_duNoA8&bih=765&biw=1600&rlz=1C1AVNA_enUS566US566
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March 10, 2020 @ 3:11pm
https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3515028?dpr=2&fit=max&h=339&w=590 https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3209854?dpr=2&fit=max&h=607&w=590 https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3422016?dpr=2&fit=max&h=266&w=590 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Edward-McDonald-helped-Johnston.jpg https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Gresham-Grisham-Grissom-12-marker-matches-MSE.jpg https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3421015?dpr=2&fit=max&h=448&w=590 https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:John,1890:Jon,1890:Jonson,1890:Jonsson,1890:Jonsdotter,1890:Johnson https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/FTDNA-Johnson-but-not-Johnston-or-Johnstone.jpg https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Clan-Johnston.mp4
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March 10, 2020 @ 5:50am
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March 9, 2020 @ 10:18am
How family members are being successful at family history; 1. The family knows best. Those which do not realize ‘The Family Knows Best’, and circumvent the family, makes a huge amount of difficulties by causing the true genealogists to correct the information back to what the family first said. 2. Listen to others, especially of the opposite sex, to make family. Though you may not think that which is coming from the opposite sex correct, the answers to what you said is reflective one and can with little skill decipher from the language, needed family information. 3. Do not in a family search, get rid of the in-laws, though you may want to. FTDNA is not a genealogical site because they are allowing administrators to kick out the in-laws. 4. Families fight, and likely not just one answer is correct, in the history. Families in their research seem to aim their research into specific region of research, giving to each other in the same family answers seemly conflicting, but so close they both come out as being correct. 5. If the family’s history is done properly one does not get to pick their ancestors. Self explanatory.
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March 6, 2020 @ 7:58am
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March 4, 2020 @ 9:22pm
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March 4, 2020 @ 10:52am
https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3507749?dpr=2&fit=max&h=284&w=590 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/M269-to-U106-migration-Michael-Hammer.jpg https://gorrenberry.com/robert-elwald-clan-elliot-chief-1/ https://named.publicprofiler.org/ https://archive.org/details/chroniclesofarms00arms/page/31/mode/2up Elwald Elliot of Croyland/Crowland https://www.google.com/maps/place/Crowland,+Peterborough,+UK/@52.6735453,-0.1751426,15z/ https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Gresham-Grisham-Grissom-12-marker-matches-MSE.jpg https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/antiquity/article/people-of-the-british-isles-project-and-viking-settlement-in-england/54E19CAFF9AC2BEB39EAEC826BEDBC63
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March 4, 2020 @ 9:14am
https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3507459?dpr=2&fit=max&h=650&w=590 Let’s see how this goes Michael Hammer PhD Geneticist. At least they put that border between New Mexico and Arizona. Know how good the math of Arizona can be; Google ‘AZ photo radar’. Dad, Loren Spencer Elliott at 90, looks pretty good on the Mighty Mo. Note; Star Valley, AZ no longer has photo radar. ‘Hammer’, was one of the names a relative of mine was offered on his birth certificate but he discarded it. The math which FTDNA utilizes in TIP calculation, starts with input of a single significant digit of 30 yrs/gen then get an answer to the nearest hundredth of a percent. Does FTDNA really know their math? Like Hitler would put young men in charge, to determine lives, Harvard put judges in charged to determine witches, and hung them by silencing. Of course my Y-DNA at a proven branch point of two sons. Harvard history is a genetic superior race analogy, which does not confirm proper use of math, and science, but only Nazi type of uniformity on ‘status quo’ history. It is people which are spending a lot of money on not needed Big-Y so Harvard witch hanging types can turn them into lab rats, and have admins on site if they do not like what they are saying hang them as witches in the same manner young boys of Hitler’s squad could sent Jews to the gas chambers. Doing my family history, and putting through my Y-DNA, though my genocide of matches during Border Pacification is being filtered, this time these above words in pieces have already been spoken with the accuracy of Daniel Elliot refugee of Harvard Puritans of the Salem Witch Trials. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Armstrong-Border-Pacification-Genocide-BBC.mp4 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Scottish-Clans-12-18-Clan-ArmstrongConverted-split-002731-002800-201704011351196358.mp4 https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/3465588-1024×933.jpg https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Border-genocide-filtered-out-of-the-FTDNA-Y-DNA-12-marker-match-map..jpg https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Armstrong-Elliott-Johnston-Fermanagh-surname-distribution-map-.png https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/ Documentation for the Johnston of Ulster. Been kicked out of FTDNA Johnson blog. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/FTDNA-Johnson-but-not-Johnston-or-Johnstone.jpg https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3405404?dpr=2&fit=max&h=481&w=590 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Reiver-marrying-native-Irish-of-County-Fermanagh-Ulster-Ireland..jpg https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Anderson-Johnson-Polish-Germany-to-Ulster-Johnstone-Scotland-Johnston-Ulster.jpg https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3431267?dpr=2&fit=max&h=467&w=590 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Edward-McDonald-helped-Johnston.jpg https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Clan-Johnston.mp4
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March 2, 2020 @ 1:53pm
Elliott distribution can be compared with McGuire distribution.
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March 2, 2020 @ 1:24pm
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March 2, 2020 @ 12:42pm
https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3505631?dpr=2&fit=max&h=331&w=590 Peace on the Border‧Song by Steeleye Span https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV-1hoiO6x8 After the riding we dispersed, We drifted home in twos and threes. Through cold and rain we spat and cursed, This ancient war of families. Armies past and then returned, They killed and raped, they stole and burnt. So from the cradle we have learnt, To be as hard as stone. And learned to stand alone. They are gone now, the killing and disorder, They’re just ghosts now, the brigand and marauder. And we give thanks for peace on the border, We give thanks for peace on the border. Cloak and dagger, crime on crime, Anarchy in the borderlands. The king’s men came with a valentine, To break to power of the border clans. Some were hung, some sent away, To Ireland and the low countries. Great was the price they had to pay, God bless their memory, And god bless you and me. The broken towers that stand today, Stand for peace and order. Reminding us until the day, That we need no more borders. Source: Musixmatch Songwriters: Rick Kemp Peace on the Border lyrics © Peermusic (uk) Ltd. https://elwald.com/peace-on-the-border/
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March 2, 2020 @ 11:38am
https://gorrenberry.com/peace-is-no-border/ Those border families which married the native Irish across the EU-Brexit Irish border seem to not be listened to, because they are called FARMERS.
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February 24, 2020 @ 12:40pm
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February 24, 2020 @ 12:39pm
Elizabeth Grissom 5 hours ago I am a Grissom, Gresham, Grisham. Woul love to connect with project. I am an Anderson too https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Localities are Anglo Danish. https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3496836?dpr=2&fit=max&h=478&w=590 https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Gresham_Grissom?iframe=yresults Having the surname Grissom you have an over 2 out of 3 likelihood of on the Y-DNA the first twelve markers being; 14 24 14 10 11-14 12 12 11 13 13 29 On the Y-DNA of Grissom-Gresham; Elizabeth Grissom, if the first twelve markers are like mine; 14 24 14 10 11-14 12 12 11 13 13 29 then you have an easily over 95+% likelihood-probability, that surname originated from Gresham, Norfolk, East Anglia, now England, about 1,200 AD. Harvard style of genealogy is their witch hanging style not to agree with the above but to silence the free speech of the above, by kicking me out of other FTDNA blogs. It is like bringing the FTDNA Harvard hammer down on you, when you have the policy of not kicking out the in-laws; https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Hammer-McDough-pre-revolution-line-German.jpg https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/antiquity/article/people-of-the-british-isles-project-and-viking-settlement-in-england/54E19CAFF9AC2BEB39EAEC826BEDBC63
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February 22, 2020 @ 11:15pm
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Elliot Any quotes by me on Wikipedia, since I have been censored from Wikipedia should be considered extremely invalid. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliot The whole subject of the Scottish name origin is discussed by Keith Elliot Hunter on the Elliot Clan website[9] where he argues for a Breton origin to the name and the first chief being William d’Alyth. Under that name, the d’Alyths played a key role in the Scottish Wars of Independence[10] However, Mark Elliot presents a well-argued case that there is no connection between the Elliot river and town with the clan and believes the origins are in the first name of Elwald, which appears in Northumberland in the 8th century king, Elwald 1. Do support this Wikipedia link; https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Elliot Which has contained in it; https://gorrenberry.com/proto-germanic-r-u106-haplogroup-dna-elwald-elliot/ And; The double L and single T Descent from Minto and Wolflee, The double T and single L Mark the old race in Stobs that dwell. The single L and single T The Eliots of St Germains be, But double T and double L, Who they are nobody can tell. Robert Bell dichtete in “The Book of Scots-Irish Family Names” hinzu: “For double L and double T, the Scots should look across the sea!” Robert Bell wrote the book of Ulster Surnames and this history; https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/ Any Wikipedia site which does not carry the information of the chieftain line of Redheuch is totally invalid; https://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/dtog/elliot65.jpg https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Clan-Eliott-stats1.jpg https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/German-Elliot-poem-2.jpg These people of Wikipedia, and Wikitree do not have relevancy because if you as an Elliott, talk about your family history you are known to be the greatest liar of them all, and a censored from talking. Though I am descended from a notorious border reiver Clementis Hobs, I am censored from FTDNA border reiver blog. It should be noted what is on the Redheugh shield was placed their previous to border pacification, it is and ‘elwand’, and measuring rod, an Ediburgh standard for length between that of a Imperial yard, and a French metre. The Elwald/Ellot were at one time referred to as measurers, like surveyors which in Angus survey ‘lot’s with the sides in the length of the standard Scottish ‘el’ referred to as ‘el-lot’s. People along the Scottish previous to UK, Ellot river which farmed these ‘ellot’, where called ‘ellot’. They were brought down to Liddesdale to soldier the Hermitage Castle for the Earls of Angus, the Douglas, between the time of the Knight of Liddesdale James Douglas, and Archibald ‘Bell the Cat’ Douglas, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sir_James_Douglas_heart_casket.JPG (also Archibald Douglas which passed lands of Redheugh to the Elliot).which passed the lands of Redheugh and Larriston on toe the chiefs, which our 29th chief is of today, Margaret Eliott of Redheugh. Her father Sir Arthur and his mother put this together, but it seems that English Wikipedia does not want to acknowledge the Elliot; https://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/dtog/elliot65.jpg an do there final act in censorship to genocide of the clan. The reason Germany is getting it correct is because the border clans which had been exiled to Ireland have been moving to Germany; https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Armstrong,1996:Armstrong,1890:Elliott,1996:Elliott Archaeology Notes N064SW 8 60793 40163. https://canmore.org.uk/site/35644/kellie-castle (NO 6078 4016) Kellie Castle (NR) OS 1:10000 map (1975) For Kellie Castle, Dovecot, see NO64SW 67. Kelly (D MacGibbon and T Ross 1889) or Kellie (G M Ramsay, owner) Castle, which was also known as Auchterlony, was the seat of the Elliot family from the 14th to the 17th centuries but the building itself appears to date from the late 15th century at the earliest. After standing in ruins for some time it was restored in the mid-19th century and is still occupied.
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February 21, 2020 @ 1:27pm
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February 19, 2020 @ 3:28pm
How family members are being successful at family history; The family knows best. Listen to others, especially of the opposite sex, to make family. Do not in a family search, get rid of the in-laws, though you may want to. Families fight, and likely not just one answer is correct, in the history. If the family’s history is done properly one does not get to pick their ancestors. THE FAMILY KNOWS BEST. When a person lets say MrX, on FTDNA MrX surname blog, says something about his family tree, and MZ says he is a liar, because MZ administrates the FTDNA blog, who is most likely correct MrX or MZ? LISTEN TO OTHERS, ESPECIALLY OF THE OPPSOITE SEX, TO MAKE FAMILY. People need another point of view, and the family tree can not exist without males and females, because that is what it takes to make a family tree. DO NOT IN A FAMILY SEARCH, GET RID OF THE IN-LAWS, THOUGH YOU MAY WANT TO. For instance the males carry the Y-DNA. To put a female MZ, in charge of FTDNA blogs MrA-MrY, with the power of kicking people out of the blog anyone she likes to is that genealogy or Corporate Profit Making? Can a person be kicked out of their family tree? FAMILIES FIGHT, AND LIKELY NOT JUST ONE ANSWER IS CORRECT, IN THE HISTORY. Say two people of the same family have a disagreement on a point. One of the two researchers the other person’s position, and find it to be correct also. The other does not. Who has gained knowledge of the family tree, and is acting in the manner of a true family historian/genealogist? IF THE FAMILY’S HISTORY IS DONE PROPERLY ONE DOES NOT GET TO PICK THEIR ANCESTORS. Needs no commit. Family History as opposed to History, to identify individuals, has to utilize more documentation on the subject manner then History alone. When one goes back thirty generations, that generational line mathematically has more than a billion autosomal DNA ancestors, but only one female mtDNA ancestor, and one male Y-DNA ancestor, which all it takes to produce the next generation. For me to be kicked off of FTDNA blogs shows that FTDNA is a corporate money making machine and does not care anything about families except in profit dollars, for putting they say to much online. It is minute, in amount, it is the others which are not putting enough online which is where the complaint should be made.
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William Fonferek has a question!
February 14, 2020 @ 7:52am
“Is there any way to distinguish between McGuire lines by DNA testing? ”
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Mark Elliott
February 14, 2020 @ 9:06am
William Fonferek, Do you by chance have elk (moose), from where your Fonferek family is from? https://abcnews.go.com/International/elks-make-dangerous-comeback-germany/story?id=17173306 https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Fonferek There are Elwald/Ewald [elk (moose) of the forest (wald)] Elliott there, and some Finck/Finch, that is why I need a finch to help me out. https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Ewald,1890:Finck This Elliott matches a Finch exactly at 25 markers. https://archive.org/details/chroniclesofarms00arms/page/77/mode/2up/search/Elwald
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William Fonferek
February 18, 2020 @ 3:33pm
My bunch came from Pianowka near Czarnkow. I’m really trying to work on my wife’s McGuire line. No info on where he came from except the Irish Free State. So I was wondering if there was a descendant tree with matching DNA so at some point with DNA I could link to one family line.
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February 14, 2020 @ 9:08pm
Felt that the Garvey, may have be Anglican, Mag-Uidhir in Armagh. The McDonald, and Garvey are of the same Y-DNA basis as the Maguire-McGuire, which leads me to believe when the name Mag-Uidhir was Anglicized that is when they became McDonald, and Garvey. https://www.libraryireland.com/gregg/images/mapping-ulster-scots-9.jpg Would look for the McDonald instead of being Anglican, being Presbyterian, and the Garvey instead of being Anglican County Fermanagh Anglican, being County Armagh Anglican. These changes could account for having the name difference from Maguire-McGuire. Mc- for the Presbyterians, and Anglo-Garvey for the Armagh Anglican.
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February 14, 2020 @ 8:53pm
Some in group a McDonald of the base Mag-Uidhirs but instead of becoming Maguire, likely to differentiate themselves within County Fermanagh, became McDonald instead.
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February 14, 2020 @ 10:36am
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February 14, 2020 @ 9:56am
https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3483584?dpr=2&fit=max&h=302&w=590 Bradley McGuire and I are Co-Admins without Admins; https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/argyll-colony-north-carolina/about (County Fermanagh people may be a little to radical for FTDNA to be admins) Can not have those Anglo-Roylist, more radical then the native Irish of the County. William Fonferek, the excellent Y-DNA blocking utilized in this blog does distinguish between McGuire/Maguire lines. The Gaelic phonetic name in process of being Anglicize, into a Catholic/Anglican County first Mag-Udhir/Maguire, then Gaelic Fermanagh (monk’s men), produces different spellings, some of the Anglicized names from Mag-Udhir, may have even became McDonald or McManus, in this process, but the Y-DNA seems to as in this blog show the lines within their respective blocks.
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February 10, 2020 @ 1:11pm
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February 3, 2020 @ 10:56am
https://www.irishorigenes.com/system/files/surnames/Smith.jpg https://www.deseret.com/2008/8/8/20268232/dna-shows-joseph-smith-was-irish https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3195397?dpr=2&fit=max&h=837&w=590 https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/finch/activity-feed Harvard knows how to silence people, in the old days they hung witches to do so. Many of the witches they hung are ancestors to today’s Mormons. Brigham Young University, of The Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints, because in their doctrine, offering the church to their past ancestry, and the only school to have a four year program in genealogy, family history; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Finding-MIA-soldier-families-BYU-genealogy-students-aid-DPAA-repatriation-project.mp4 It is I considered impossible for Mormons not to be involved in genealogy. Ladies seem to do the best, but the difficulty right now with the Y-DNA, is that the Mormons carrying the Y-DNA are getting in their way.
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February 3, 2020 @ 1:23pm
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February 3, 2020 @ 9:26am
FTDNA #101829 R-M269 > U106 > BY30097 > S12025 > S16361 > A6719 > A6722 Was trying to test R-A6722 by FTDNA, but when I listed it, it did not seem to be accepted, so it was tested by Yseq my ID-kit no. 4067. 15360712-15360712 Allele T+, tested date tested 2020-01-06. les » Alleles My Allele Results YSEQ ID 4069 SampleID Ordered Marker+ Chr Start End Allele 4069 free A6719 ChrY 8178421 8178421 G+ 4069 2016-03-15 A6719 ChrY 8178421 8178421 G+ 4069 free A6722 ChrY 15360712 15360712 T+ 4069 2020-01-26 A6722 ChrY 15360712 15360712 T+ 4069 free A6724 ChrY 16956830 16956830 C- 4069 2016-03-15 A6724 ChrY 16956830 16956830 C- 4069 free S16361 ChrY 12639168 12639168 G+ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullykelter_Castle https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullykelter_Castle https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3195397?dpr=2&fit=max&h=837&w=590
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February 1, 2020 @ 11:29am
https://www.peopleofthebritishisles.org/ The Torys, and the EU like Hitler would have done to the Jews are completely ignoring us. Want to put another border of violence between our families in Ireland, like was put between us in Scotland and England in 1320. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/SELLING-SCOTS-AS-SLAVES-IS-FUNNY-TO-THE-TORIES-2.mp4?_=1 Laugh at sending ancestors as ‘slaves’ to the colonies. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Scottish-Barbados-Indentures.mp4?_=2 Though a half century ago, of the Scottish Middle March ancestry, one as president, talk to one which first stood on the moon. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/President-Nixon-speaking-with-astronauts-Armstrong-and-Aldrin-on-the-Moon.mp4 People of the UK do not want to know that my Y-DNA genetics shows this genocide. https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Border-genocide-filtered-out-of-the-FTDNA-Y-DNA-12-marker-match-map..jpg They are the people which would refuse to go an extra mile/km not to read this history by and Ulster, of the Debatable Lands a Robert Bell; https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/ They are the ones which want a border of violence dividing intermarried Anglican Scottish Protestant from Irish Catholics on both sides of the County Fermanagh, Ulster Ireland, county line. In 1776 my ancestors strung up and tarred an feather Torys, and if they acted anyway back then as they are acting in the UK today it is easy to see why. https://loc.getarchive.net/media/the-torys-day-of-judgment-e-tisdale-del-et-sculpt These county Fermanagh Irish and Scots have been moving to Germany to get away from their again genocidal border situation. http://clancrozier.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/If-you-do-not-like-an-EU-Border-around-County-Fermanagh-the-solution-is-to-move-to-Germany..jpg Note; Germany got rid of it’s border between the east and west, yet the EU-UK are wanting to put a border into Ireland. https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1996:Maguire,1996:Johnston,1996:Armstrong,1996:McManus,1996:Elliott https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Maguire-Armstrong-Elliott-Johnston-Fermanagh-surname-distribution-map-1.jpg https://named.publicprofiler.org/ https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Armstrong-Border-Pacification-Genocide-BBC.mp4 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Neil-Armstrong-Langholm-Memories-BBC-Fiona.mp4 https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Maguire-Armstrong-Elliott-Johnston-Fermanagh-surname-distribution-map-1.jpg Armstrong have been marrying those Maguire for a long time. https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/County-Fermanagh-Maguire-marrying-Armstrong-for-centuries..jpg https://archive.org/details/chroniclesofarms00arms/page/327/mode/2up Since the mid seventeenth century we been marrying those Irish. What would you think when the news says it is and Protestant-Catholic conflict. You would be thinking of stringing up a tar and feathering some Torys, and anyone of the EU, which thinks they need border checks in Ireland. It is Irish Catholic Macs, which became Presbyterian, Northern Ireland Mcs, but us Anglicans we married the Irish and we do not want that Mc-Mac fight to carry over in our neighborhood, by putting a border dividing our Catholic-Anglican Protestant families.
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January 29, 2020 @ 3:24pm
https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3461419?dpr=2&fit=max&h=325&w=590 1. A bridge over a stream, gutter, etc. Early examples occur in place-names, as Prestesbrige (c 1150), Risibrigg (c 1240), Hatherbrig, Scatbrig or -breg, and as a first element in Brigham (c 1190), Briggate (c 1266), Brighous (1337; cf. BARB. XVII. 409), Bryghend (1359). https://dsl.ac.uk/entry/dost/brig_n A. n. 1. A person’s dwelling-place, or native country. Also fig. in lang hame, the grave. https://dsl.ac.uk/entry/dost/hame_n_1 DSL Dictionary of the Scottish Language. Brigham, East Riding of Yorkshire Historical description Brigham, a village and a township in Foston-on-the-Wolds parish, in the E.R. Yorkshire, near the Hull and Scarborough railway, 4½ miles SE of Great Driffield. Acreage of township, 1398; population, 73. There is a Wesleyan chapel. Transcribed from The Comprehensive Gazetteer of England & Wales, 1894-5 https://ukga.org/england/Yorkshire/ERY/towns/Brigham.html UK Genealogical Archives. Brigham Surname Definition: (English) One who came from Brigham (homestead by the bridge), the name of places in Cumberland and Yorkshire. https://forebears.io/surnames/brigham
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January 23, 2020 @ 8:53pm
https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Kirkpatrick from region also. Clan Johnston youtube film; https://youtu.be/tgfkXZnFOqA Johnston after Maguire, is the second surname in numbers of County Fermanagh.
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January 23, 2020 @ 11:29am
The Elliot were even known to marry those English Graham. It was probably much easier for an Armstrong to marry an Irish Maguire. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/ballads-of-the-Border-Reivers..mp4 If you Irish want to believe the English Tories and their history you can, but I am an American, and we separated from those Tory Loyalists in 1776. Reiver Trail; https://youtu.be/PVd8lWp7KJQ Trying to defend the old homeplace The Hermitage Castle from a wind farm. Neil A. and Buccleuch claim Langholm as home. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Neil-Armstrong-Langholm-Memories-BBC-Fiona.mp4 “To the south of the castle is the Langholm Estate, part of Buccleuch Estates, which is lodging an objection. ‘To pollute the landscape backdrop of the castle with all its power to evoke the history and heritage of the Scottish Borders would be nothing short of vandalism,’ stresses The Duke of Buccleuch.” https://www.countrylife.co.uk/news/wind-farm-battle-over-scottish-castle-6273
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January 22, 2020 @ 12:44pm
https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3449606?dpr=2&fit=max&h=301&w=590 The History of Liddesdale, Eskdale, Ewesdale, Wauchopedale and the …, Volume 1 By Robert Bruce Armstrong https://books.google.com/books?id=nFr7oQEACAAJ&pg=PA65&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=3#v=onepage&q&f=false The history of Enniskillen with reference to some manors in co. Fermanagh, and other local subjects by Trimble, William Copeland, 1851-1941 https://archive.org/details/historyofenniski00trimrich/page/218 ‘Sheep stealers from the north of England’: the Riding Clans in Ulster by Robert Bell https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/ The Mapping of Ulster-Scots https://www.libraryireland.com/gregg/images/mapping-ulster-scots-9.jpg https://www.libraryireland.com/gregg/mapping-ulster-scots.php Muster Roll for Tullyhogue (Tullaghoge) 1610 – Transcribed by Teena http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland/genealogy/muster/tullyhogue1610.html
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January 22, 2020 @ 11:11am
Do not think that those border Andersons care much for borders either. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Peace-Democracy-and-Tories.-1024×600.jpg Added 10:11 MST 1/23/2020; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Anderson-Andersson-Sweden-US-U106.jpg https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Anderson-Glendenning-Elliot-Carlisle.jpg https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/ballads-of-the-Border-Reivers..mp4
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January 21, 2020 @ 7:59pm
Back in 1564 hate to say it but my family the Ellot of Horsleyhill got into a this situation with these nearby Scot of Hassendean. The Bauld (Bold) Buccleuch, was Mary Queen of Scot’s judge avocate. Like they say, ‘heads will roll’, and they did back then. The Scot were on the prosecuting jury, and the Douglas were on the defense jury. Note the name McDowgall, among the Dowglass which indicates the names may have branch from similar base name. That a Mc- and non Mc- may stem from the same father but later have the two different names.
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Mark Elliott
January 22, 2020 @ 8:55am
It should be noted that the surname Scot(t), is of the Gaelic. Given to one which spoke the Scot (Gaelic), living in a region they did not. When no land boundaries one was called by the language they spoke. If you spoke Navajo your were referred to as Navajo. If you spoke English referred to as English, and if you spoke Scot (now referred to as Scots Gaelic), you were referred to as Scot. A good part of Scotland spoke Gaelic https://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/usscotfax/society/images/gaelic1.gif at one time. The inter exchange between the Mc- and the dropped Mc- happens. Also the name Kirkpatrick, leans to the more https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kirkpatrick-Fleming,+Lockerbie+DG11+3NH,+UK/@55.0206616,-3.1419915,15.27z/ Gaelic Kilpatrick, which means Kirkpatrick, place is named after Kirk (Scottish for church), of St. Patrick. For Americans claiming St. Patrick is Irish, he is of the Gaelic-Scots also. Tories, laughing at sending my family to the colonies as slaves (same war, but likely different battle). https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/SELLING-SCOTS-AS-SLAVES-IS-FUNNY-TO-THE-TORIES-2.mp4?_=1 It must be those rebellious Irish, which we as Royalist supported, or it is that Armstrong which married the Maguire Princess my Ellot family followed that got us into trouble. My ancestors knew how to make it a judgement day for those dang Torys. https://loc.getarchive.net/media/the-torys-day-of-judgment-e-tisdale-del-et-sculpt
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January 20, 2020 @ 1:04pm
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January 20, 2020 @ 11:22am
https://indo-european.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/haplogroup-r1b-u106.png https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Ewald Alistair Moffat; https://www.google.com/maps/place/Moffat,+UK/@55.3787235,-3.5903311,11.29z/ https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/The-Reivers-Making-of-the-Borders-Alistair-Moffat-2.mp4 Referenced a book Alistair Moffat, plus have it on order, we are both Allied to the Armstrong, and I am hoping you Alistair are looking in on that John Elwald early rector of Saint Andrews, and rector of Kirkandrews and feel he left some DNA off in a McConnell. https://gorrenberry.com/john-elwald-1418-rector-st-andrews-conn-mcconnell-mccall-dna-kirkinner-carnesmole/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Armstrong Clan Armstrong has no chief, and is an armigerous clan Historic seat Mangerton Last Chief Archibald Armstrong of Mangerton Died 1610 Allied clans Clan Elliot Clan Moffat Clan Crozier http://clancrozier.com/
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January 20, 2020 @ 11:21am
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January 19, 2020 @ 11:37am
The ‘People of the British Isles’ project and Viking settlement in England Part of: The Vikings Jane Kershaw and Ellen C. Røyrvik Press: 21 November 2016 https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/antiquity/article/people-of-the-british-isles-project-and-viking-settlement-in-england/54E19CAFF9AC2BEB39EAEC826BEDBC63 https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/54E19CAFF9AC2BEB39EAEC826BEDBC63/S0003598X16001939a.pdf/people_of_the_british_isles_project_and_viking_settlement_in_england.pdf https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/britain_ireland_dna.shtml With this bull headed moose, having a finch think for him anything can get accomplished. Looks like you took the Irish Anglicized Gaelic Smith route, and I ended up with the notorious Young John or should of say John Young route of the Anglo-Border Scots, to get into the North part of Ireland. Brigham ‘This is the Place’ genealogy with DNA applied … https://elwald.com/brigham-this-is-the-place-genealogy-with-dna-applied The family knows best. Listen to others, especially of the opposite sex, to make family. Do not in a family search, get rid of the in-laws, though you may want to. Families fight, and likely not just one answer is correct, in the history. See all full list on elwald.com
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Patrick Gillis
December 16, 2019 @ 5:02pm
Anyone have any idea how far back in time R-Z16337 had taken place?
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Bradley McGuire
January 3, 2020 @ 4:41pm
Over at The Big Tree, Alex Williamson uses Ian McDonald’s estimates http://www.ytree.net/BlockInfo.php?blockID=518 Z16337 is estimated with 95% confidence to be between 115AD and 747AD. Along about the time of Uidhir’s grandad I’m guessing.
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Patrick Gillis
January 7, 2020 @ 2:19pm
Thank You Brad
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Mark Elliott
January 13, 2020 @ 11:23pm
“Anyone have any idea how far back in time R-Z16337 had taken place?” is an excellent question. The SNP are beginning to reach almost into genealogical research time, and people which have done extensive testing need to be kept up on the age of these SNPs. 115 to 747AD, is likely in the time of personal name without surname, and may not be in written form, but in spoken form. It is felt that my evolved into Elwald surname may have went into personal of Elwald roughly around 1200 AD, East Anglia.
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January 13, 2020 @ 11:07pm
https://named.publicprofiler.org/ A couple of the names not listed seem to give East Anglia ‘hotspots’, but would still look for the ancestry on names not listed near the Eu-Brexit south border. http://www.therjhuntercollection.com/resources/muster-rolls-c-1630/search-muster-rolls/ Watt
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December 15, 2019 @ 12:49am
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Mark Elliott
January 3, 2020 @ 5:42pm
December 15, 2019 @ 12:38am
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-l513/dna-results 3399. A2M STR cluster (Consider Big Y, R1b-S5668 Pack) Includes Maguire number one surname in Co Fermanagh, and McManus number 4. Need to have a Maguire FTDNA to include Meguire, McGuire, MacGuire, with variant spelling and it seems the name McManus, in some cases. Like
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January 3, 2020 @ 5:41pm
December 28, 2019 @ 1:46pm
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December 10, 2019 @ 2:57pm
Did the ‘Ps’ “Prescott, Preston, Parr,”; ‘hotspot’ and ‘place’ localities are close.
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December 7, 2019 @ 11:53pm
The names are pronounced the same like the English ‘bear’ and the German ‘bär’, and mean the same but the English language gives the spelling of ‘bear’, and the German language gives a spelling of ‘bär’. the name is pronounce McGuire/Maguire, the spelling for MacGuire/McGuire, Scottish, and Cumbria was at one time part of Scotland, where the name Maguire is Anglicized from the Irish Gaelic ‘Mag Uidhir’.
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Mark Elliott
December 10, 2019 @ 2:17pm
Surnames would have likely began in the Isle of Man about the 13th century. This indicates migration from Lancashire to the Isle of Man, then likely for many onto Ireland. http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/famhist/fnames/amanx.htm “The following surnames occurring in the Isle of Man before the 17th century derive from the names of places in Lancashire, where some of them can be found at home so far back as the 13th century. Those italicised are still extant in the Island, though it is possible that some of them may have re-entered later. Aghton, Alcar, Aystogh or Ayscough, Bradshagh, Byllinge, Burscough, Crosse, Assheton, Bootle, Coupe, Gremshawe, Heywood, Haliwell, Halsall, Holland, Hendull, Ince, Kenyon, Lathom, Litherland, Langtre, Marsden, Prescott, Preston, Parr, Radcliffe, Rushton, Samlesbury (now Sansbury), Shakerley or Shakelady, Standish, Ughtynton (Oughtrington is just over the Cheshire border), and Worthington. Other early family names which are also English place- names are Ballard, Birmingham, Breden, Bydcrosse, Colcat or Calcott, Coupeland, Cotynghin, Creetch, Hampton, Iveno, Kent, Lake, Lecke,Haworth, Huddlestone Hartle, Higham, Moore, Fryssington, Sale (Sayle), Stanley, Twynham, Whetstones and Whinrowe. As Creetch may be of native growth it will be referred to again. Of the rest, many now extinct have left footprints in Manx soil as elements in land-names.”
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December 6, 2019 @ 10:04pm
https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Would like to test this tentative very rough model where the pronunciation of the name went north from south Cumbria, to become the Scottish name MacGuire, then onto County Fermanagh, Ulster Plantation to become name McGuire. The same pronunciation is also felt to travel east from south Cumbria before the time of the Ulster Plantation where Gaelic was the language of Ireland, but spelled the name Mág Uidhir, which became Gaelic-Anglicize spelling of Maguire of County Maguire, Ulster Plantation County Fermanagh.
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December 1, 2019 @ 12:17pm
http://www.therjhuntercollection.com/resources/muster-rolls-c-1630/search-muster-rolls/ Bradley, and McGuire are Anglo-Danish-English names, went across to Ireland, may not have traveled through, the Scottish Border, Debatable land region. Were Mc-/Mac-/Fitz-/-son/-sen/-sson/-s (son of), and -dotter (daughter of). Mag-Uidhir is Anglicized; “Irish Surname – Maguire The surname Maguire / McGuire comes from the Irish ‘Maguidhir’, meaning ‘son of the brown(haired) one’. The first recorded spelling of the MagUidhir family name appears in the “Ancient Annals of Ulster” dated 956, during the reign of Brian Boru, High King of Ireland.The pre-dominance of the MagUidhir sept dates from the start of the 13th century in Lisnaskea in County Fermanagh. All the associations of the family have been with Fermanagh and for three centuries their chief was one of the most important in Ulster. Their stronghold was on Lough Erne where they were Barons of Enniskillen. At the start of the 14th century, Donn Carrach Maguire, the chief of the family, was ruler of the entire county.” https://irelandroots.com/maguire.htm Some say pale, Armstrong say; ‘..black(haired) one’
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Bradley McGuire
December 1, 2019 @ 1:11pm
Mark, I have always chuckled at my parent’s choice of names for me. I’m all surnames. Bradley was my Grandma McGuire’s maiden name. Hart (my middle name) is a contraction of Hartline, my Mom’s maiden name. And (obviously) McGuire my patrilineal surname.
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Bradley McGuire
December 1, 2019 @ 1:14pm
Given that I only have three McGuire cousins, 2 boys (1 dark haired like me the other a dark red. The only female is a dark blonde. Given that we don’t get to choose our hair color and that those other pesky autosomal chromosomes have more to do with such things, I’m ok with “Dun” being dark haired one.
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December 1, 2019 @ 11:26am
Since that Armstrong married that Fermanagh Maguire princes, and the Armstrong started having dark hair, guess this is where this graphic goes. Neil Armstrong, and Richard Nixon of the Scottish borders then Ulster then US; https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Richard-Milhous-Nixon-geneology-Wikitree.jpg https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Nixon-Milhous-Milhausen-relation-1630-1.jpg He explained the spaceman’s links with Ulster: “Armstrong is a ‘border reiver’ name which comes from the west side of the debatable land mostly between Carlisle and Dumfries.” “The Armstrongs came to Fermanagh in the early 17th century during the Plantation of Ulster. Many of that surname still live there today.” https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/a-giant-leap-for-an-ulsterman-tributes-to-neil-armstrong-the-astronaut-who-was-first-to-walk-on-the-moon-28785887.html
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November 29, 2019 @ 9:28pm
https://www.peopleofthebritishisles.org/ https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Ellwood is considered a variant name of Elliott.
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Mark Elliott
November 30, 2019 @ 9:49pm
PoBI People of the British Isles, is a study of autosomal, no surnames, and generations of the same family from same region, making it I feel the finest survey of it’s type. It touches on what I have found the DNA correlates with language. Regions of DNA are likely to be regions of people speaking the same language. 43:02 Garrett Hellenthal – The Genetic History of the United Kingdom: the POBI project DNA Lectures – Who Do You Think You Are https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ANNHMzmxlI&t=424s • 48K views 4 years ago Garrett presents results from the People of the British Isles (POBI) project, an exploration of the fine-scale genetic architecture of … 17:11 Unraveling Our Genetic History | Garrett 1200px-Hellenthal_in_EU.svg | TEDxGoodenoughCollege TEDx Talks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQKjnXKTt5k 69K views 4 years ago Is there such thing as racial purity and are any of us genetically unrelated? Garrett shows us how DNA modelling can pinpoint the … https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/46/Hellenthal_in_EU.svg/1200px-Hellenthal_in_EU.svg.png https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1996:Hellenthal,1890:Hellenthal Hellenthal in German means; ‘bright valley’, which faces the morning sun to the east.
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November 30, 2019 @ 7:46pm
Patrick Gillis, “Charles Gilleece b. 1787 was from Castlerahan County Cavan” http://www.therjhuntercollection.com/resources/muster-rolls-c-1630/search-muster-rolls/ https://named.publicprofiler.org/ One difficulty with the UK ‘hot spot’ program, always checking on the Irish numbers using; https://forebears.io/surnames Mag-Uidhir is Fermanagh, Irish Gaelic which becomes Maguire. With a little Anglicizing the names of Mac-/Mc-/O’-, may be found in England.
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November 30, 2019 @ 11:28am
Braidley McGuire, To do genealogy properly one has to hypothesize, and stick to it; ‘the family knows best’. Different families have different cultural values as with different nations, linguistic regions, religions and small towns. The Gaelics and Borderers did not write English history, which predominates mainstream thought in the British Isles. Though I am of a race like the Armstrong before they married those Maguire, blond haired blue eyed, because I am male I carry the Y-DNA. Live among indigenous Americans, where it is politically incorrect to talk about the atrocities, and enslavement of these people which are a minority, but in my environment they are a majority. If treating all sexes and races in similar manner should I because of genetics I am born with not be treated in the same fashion, an my ancestral lands referred as The Middle Shires, should they not be protect from industrialization also? Neil and I are white males, families are of the Scottish Middle March, lands contained in the Middle Shires, both graduate engineers, he from Purdue, where I worked in southern Indiana as a mine engineer, I am a graduate, mine engineer, born in Iowa, like President Herbert Hoover, but not from Stanford, but from the University of Utah, Salt Lake City, Utah where on the west side of Temple Square is the Family History Library. https://elwald.com/brigham-this-is-the-place-genealogy-with-dna-applied/ Second generation genealogist, https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/ECS-Daniel-group-history-1.png in 1965 dad introduced me to it when visiting Salem, Massachusetts, we also went to the New York World’s Fair. The Armstrong and Elliott, we married the Maguire, though the English like to make you think otherwise. Note; my brother Robert ‘Bob’ Loren Elliott, married a Doyle they had a son named Sean Robert Elliott.
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Bradley McGuire
November 30, 2019 @ 2:27pm
Mark, your input is invaluable! I love the heat maps and the associated links…fascinating!
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November 29, 2019 @ 1:54pm
The above can be considered R-BY3093; https://www.familytreedna.com/upgrades.aspx?ot=ADV&category=SNPLL; Select A Product Test Type Marker BY13651 Markers Test Type Marker Price SNP BY13651 $39.00 Add When you test positive for SNP R-BY13651 you are positive for all the other markers upstream. R-BY3093; R-M269 > P312/S116 > Z290 > L21/S145 > DF13 > L513 > S5668 > Z16340 > FGC9807 > FGC9795 > FGC9804 > FGC9809 > FGC9800 > Z16337 > BY3093 >. . . . Note the County Fermanagh, ‘Maguire’, to Colonial migrated change to ‘McGuire’. When I say all mean more than 95%, at the standard level to say more, so much so if someone tries to think otherwise they are more likely incorrect. When the name changed from Mag-Uidhir, to Maguire, in County Maguire which became County Fermanagh that was the beginning of the surname Maguire. As an Elliott, I can not lead the Armstrong, they come to their decision as a collective exchanging concepts among themselves, and that is how The Chronicles of the Armstrong were created. They were the Army Strong, a pitch-in army of Scotland. For the Maguire to be in The Chronicles, and I as an Elwald/Elwold Elliott, in the same story is more than unbelievable. Since the Armstrong married an Irish Maguire gal instead of one of those English Graham gals, the Armstrong can be trusted. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Chronicles-of-the-Armstrong.jpg https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Scottish-Clans-Armstrong-BBC-Stewart-kings.mp4 The Scottish Middle March, 1573-1625: Power, Kinship, Allegiance By Anna Groundwater May not understand it but we have the support of The Armstrong, as long as I as an Elliott am being lead by them. The Armstrong and Elliot support the research of Robert Bell, of Ulster. https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/ Nominally Catholic – (in above link) The second fact provides the twist in the tale and goes some way towards explaining the religious history of Fermanagh, for the Scots Borderers were Catholics. The Reformation had been unable to penetrate so lawless a region. To be more accurate, they were nominally Catholic. In practice, they were godless. A sixteenth century traveller in what was known as the ‘cockpit’ of the Borders, on finding no churches, asked a Borderer ‘Are there no Christians in Liddesdale?’. To which he was answered ‘Na, we’s all Elliots and Armstrongs’!
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Patrick Gillis
November 30, 2019 @ 2:23pm
Charles Gilleece b. 1787 was from Castlerahan County Cavan
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November 29, 2019 @ 8:40pm
https://www.familytreedna.com/my/snp-map/ https://named.publicprofiler.org/ The name traveled phonetically without spelling, with the R-BY3093 Y-DNA, but in England the spelling among the Anglo-English is MacGuire, the spelling among the Gaelic is Mag-Uidhir, which became Anglicized to Maguire. Maguire is a name which was of County Maguire, Ireland, which became County Fermanagh of the Ulster Plantation about 1600. It should be noted about when England became Protestant many of the MacGuire, in Scotland/England would change the name to McGuire, but as one can see above not all.
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November 29, 2019 @ 7:02pm
How did the Armstrong and Elliott get to Jamaica; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/SELLING-SCOTS-AS-SLAVES-IS-FUNNY-TO-THE-TORIES-2.mp4?_=1
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November 29, 2019 @ 6:25pm
Irish, not Scots, but Anglo Mac-/-son, link with England. Anglo Scots, are Border Scots, in which the north end of Northumbria was cut by a border, like Ireland when us Border Scots were brought into County Fermanagh, that made an English-Irish border on the isle of Ireland. The McCadden and Gilleece are Irish-Anglo, am myself considered Scots-Anglo, because family ended up on the Scottish side of the border. Some of the Irish-Anglo ended up on the north side of the border in Ireland also.
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November 29, 2019 @ 6:24pm
McKown/MacMahon, have Anglo-English roots also besides being Irish. McManus is a County Fermanagh name, but in this case north of Dublin.
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November 29, 2019 @ 2:41pm
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November 28, 2019 @ 9:16am
https://forebears.io/surnames/maguire Bradley McGuire of Mag-Uidhir https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/mag-uidhir/activity-feed Patrick Meguire of McGuire https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/mcguire/about Armstrong say the name is Maguire, and am process of trying to combine, Mag-Uidhir and McGuire under the name Maguire and am inviting you both as co-administrators. Armstrong wrote the Maguire, and myself an Elwold/Elwald Elliott into their Fair Bear Story out of County Fermanagh. https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Albert-Bird-Armstrong-genealogists.png https://archive.org/details/chroniclesofarms00arms/page/n13
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Bradley McGuire
November 29, 2019 @ 12:55pm
Our Gaelic root surname is Mag Uidhir. From that the anglicized surnames that follow, are many. Maguire, McGuire, MacGuire, McGwyre, Meguire, are all variations of the same. Some will try to ascribe religious affiliation with one spelling or another…there is some anecdotal evidence that may have been accurate once, circa pre 1800. Not so sure it is as accurate anymore however. The spelling of MacGuire has been associated with those of Scot affiliation. That may indeed be accurate, although in my opinion, the court is still out. I tend to view Scot MacGuires as those who likely immigrated to Scot during the Plantations, but I really don’t know.
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Mark Elliott
November 29, 2019 @ 1:35pm
Mag-Uidhir became Maguire, and County Maguire, became County Fermanagh, the home of the Mag-Uidhir/Maguire. Anyone which has the surname of Maguire, or can trace their surname to Maguire are basically form County Fermanagh. If someone with another surname are in a Y-DNA group matching people with the Maguire surname then they are from County Fermanagh. When a surname like Maguire which originated in County Magurie/Fermanagh, migrates to like the English Colonies, many like the Armstrong, Elliot, and Johnston forced migrated from the English, Scottish borders to what became County Fermanagh, it is likely Maguire were forced migrated from County Fermanagh, in this process, the name Maguire would likely become McGuire. County Fermanagh is the place of origins of the surname Maguire. The Gaelics Irish/Scottish, took us in, then in the process of Anglicizing names many Gaelic took names of border people. We survived in the Scottish borderlands by marrying those English Grahams, and we survived in the Ulster borderlands by marring those Irish Maguire, not by our ability to fight. Who do you think wrote the English history, the Border Reivers, Gaelic of the English? Hope I do not disappoint you from being an American Border Elliott. If we would marry a Graham think how much easier it was to marry a Maguire.
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November 28, 2019 @ 7:37am
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November 27, 2019 @ 7:55pm
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November 27, 2019 @ 7:41pm
“This second part relating to MacQuarrie, is the path that my Grandmother chased in the 40’s …”
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November 23, 2019 @ 12:14pm
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Bradley McGuire
November 27, 2019 @ 11:22am
This second part relating to MacQuarrie, is the path that my Grandmother chased in the 40’s (reusing typing paper). Sadly, I have found no MacQuarrie Y DNA to support this claim. That’s ok, it makes for a fine story!
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Mark Elliott
November 27, 2019 @ 11:32am
The Maguire and Elwald are in the Armstrong Chronicles, even the County Fermanagh Fair Bear story; https://archive.org/details/chroniclesofarms00arms/page/n13 The people of the UK are trying to destroy the Elwald line having it die, when family was in New England, transported allied with the Maguire, as Cromwellian slaves. https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/422975228?profile=original See what trouble an Elliott, can get into by being lead by The Armstrong, the Catholic Mary Queen of Scotland. The Elliott defended their home place The Hermitage Castle, an estate of James Hephburn, ‘Bothwell’, Mary Queen of Scots third husband, and now a puppet government of the Union-Jack, the flag of Armstrong-Elliott, exile to Maguire County Fermanagh, or border genocide, want to put a wind farm next to the Hermitage Castle. The Buccluech, Armstrong and Elliott, feel The Hermitage Castle of the home place of The Elliott needs protecting. https://www.countrylife.co.uk/news/wind-farm-battle-over-scottish-castle-6273 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/ballads-of-the-Border-Reivers..mp4 You Maguire sure can pick out a good group of people to associate with. Buccleuch, Armstrong, Elliott, Scott, and Bell were in on the rescue of Kinmont Willie Armstrong. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/HISTORY-HUNTERS-Kinmont-Willie-Armstrong.mp4 https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/ http://clancrozier.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Localities-of-Nixon-Crozier-Elliot-and-Elliott.jpg
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Donald Maguire
August 19, 2019 @ 6:20pm
Well I took the plunge and ordered my father, Donald James Maguire, the Y-700. He has the kit #65848 in hand (DNA from testing up to Y-111 is either old or needed more) and he plans on mailing it back tomorrow. Hope it gives me some useful information! While researching found this article from the Duffy’s Hibernian Magazine from April 1861 and thought some might enjoy reading it: https://www.libraryireland.com/articles/MaguiresDuffysHibernian2-10/
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Mark Elliott
November 25, 2019 @ 1:39pm
Better watch out for those Elliott from Co Fermanagh they still may like in the borderlands of Scotland and England want to put the bonnet back on. https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Tom-Elliott-Fermanagh-South-Tyrone-Brexit.jpg They kill off Armstrong and Elliott, in the borderlands so they could have an Union-Jack of a flag. Family exiled from both kingdoms in 1607, https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Braidlie-1607-banished-from-both-kingdoms..jpg (Douglas Scott, from Hawick Scotland, teaches astrophysics at the University of British Columbia, Canada, and we both have met and talk to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jocelyn_Bell_Burnell ) found himself in Tullykelter, Fermanagh, Ulster Ireland, living among the Maguire, by 1610. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Somerville-and-Daniel-Elliot-Tullycalter-of-Tullykelter-Castle.jpg https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Hamilton-Monea-Castle-pedigree.jpg
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November 25, 2019 @ 1:58am
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Elliot https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Armstrong Opportunities should be available in our homelands, the Scottish-English Borders but in the early seventeenth century it was the Ulster Plantation Co Fermanagh, now it seems to be Germany. https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1996:Elliott,1996:Armstrong Guess where there are Armstrong there are also Elliott, seems it can not be helped. Though President Herbert Hoover was and Iowa born mining engineer, he went to Stanford, and Stanford, and certainly not the Puritanical bias school of John Harvard, in which his widow married a Rev Thomas Allen, and went back to London on good friend like a brother Captain’s John Allen ship which brought my family Robert and Daniel Elliot POWs, of the Cromwellian Civil War to American, they can never be as good as a school, having a border an Anglo-Reiver name in the west, called Brigham Young University. PBS uses Gates, out of Harvard for their genealogical series. If you need a black person choose a Mormon PBS, not a mainstream Puritanical, from a school of witch hunters Havard, which will censor free speech if it is not Puritanical Protestant and mainstream enough just like Family Tree DNA has done with me many a time in these blogs. If you choose someone based on color, and do not get the best for the job then you are prejudiced. The Mormons grew up with it and believe in offering their church to what is found to be there ancestors. Knowing this being a graduate mining engineering from the University of Utah. The best library for family history research is on the west side of Temple Square, Salt Lake City, Utah, the Family History Library, with Family History Centers, internationally, and free online, https://www.familysearch.org/, created this link for them because the Mormons know, research and records first; then the use of DNA as one of the tools in the research; https://elwald.com/brigham-this-is-the-place-genealogy-with-dna-applied/ Kind of an average Joe type of guy, don’t care what the person believes, but are they the best for the job? As far as examining my genealogical family history research and seeing how I apply the tools of genealogy to finding family history, as a group there is no question the Mormons are the best, and I try to get the best for the job I need done, not based on beliefs. Just an average Joe. The second president of The Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints be an Anglo-Border Reiver? What else could come up could the First President of the Church be an Irish? Joseph Smith was Irish DNA shows Joseph Smith was Irish By Michael De Groote, Deseret News Published: Friday, Aug. 8 2008 https://www.worksofjoseph.com/joseph-smith-was-irish/
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November 24, 2019 @ 12:32pm
Above from a publication of the BBC; https://worldhistoryleverett.wordpress.com/2015/10/26/oliver-cromwell-hero-or-villain/ You also may find the following link helpful: BBC History-Was Oliver Cromwell the Father of British Democracy? (link no longer available) https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/SELLING-SCOTS-AS-SLAVES-IS-FUNNY-TO-THE-TORIES-2.mp4?_=1 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Sarah-Knight-father-Thomas-Kemble.jpg https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Daniel-Elliot-deed-1682.jpg https://www.elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/George-Hollard-Boston-July-1689-Kings-Chapel.png Anglican Helped hide Philip English, Anglican-Episcopalian French Heugonaunt away, so he would not face trial as a witch in Salem, Massachusetts. https://www.elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/George-Hollard-Boston-Philip-English.jpg After being ‘transported as slaves’, the son Daniel Elliot, left testimony in defense of Elizabeth Proctor, http://salem.lib.virginia.edu/n106.html, http://salem.lib.virginia.edu/archives/ecca/large/ecca1109r.jpg Family was refugees along with in-laws the Cloyse, of the Cromwellian Puritanical Salem Witch Trials. Peter Cloyse’s (son of seaman John Cloyse which brought Daniel Elliot to America) second wife a Sarah Bridget Town Cloyse. https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTk0MTM0NDc2N15BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwOTY1ODkyMQ@@._V1_.jpg to Salem End, which was incorporated into Framingham, Massachusetts, named after a trial judge Danforth place of birth Framinglham, Suffolk, England. Arthur Miller wrote a play called The Crucible where Danforth is a judge. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1996/10/21/why-i-wrote-the-crucible He wrote so people can speak freely. freely.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Crucible Danforth is one of the Characters in the play, a Puritan, like Cromwell. Daniel Elliot, who was given the position of “caulter” (purchaser-accountant, with the title of the Tullycaulter of Tullykelter) did not take the Oath of Allegiance, a type of loyalty oath for his position. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullykelter_Castle Note; Andrew the Scottish Border alias was Dand which in County Fermanagh became Daniel. https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/ECS-Daniel-group-history-1.png It may be an understatement, but my family had some difficulties with those Cromwellian Cotton Mather type Puritans in the American Colony of Massachusetts.
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November 23, 2019 @ 11:48pm
Both the surname Maguire and Leonard are concentrated in County Fermanagh. https://forebears.io/surnames Would say it is an excellent bet that your Maguire line is from County Fermanagh, or close to it and the name Leonard will be also in association to your surname Maguire. Marshall Howard has a question! September 17 @ 4:31pm “Bradley, It’s been a year or more since I joined this project. And during that time, I’ve been increasing the search levels. I’ve completed Y-111 and the Big Y-700 is in progress. I wish I knew more about how to tweak the data. I’m so new at this, and haven’t been able to devote the time to learn more about the processes. But I am adamant to learn just who my grandfather, James H. McGuire was! So I want to continue delving into this and other study groups. If you can pass some wisdom on to this wayfarer, I’d appreciate it! Thanks Marshall Gordon McGuire Howard ” https://gorrenberry.com/ellot-gordon-fought-battle-dunbar-1650/
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November 23, 2019 @ 10:36pm
Sinn Fein is Irish for Ourselves. That name Anderson, like the name Elwald came into East Anglia. In Hawick on the Scottish side of the English Border, it is Anderson, but the Ewald becomes Ellot, and is found with the name Anderson, in the County Fermanagh, Muster c.1630. http://www.therjhuntercollection.com/resources/muster-rolls-c-1630/search-muster-rolls/ Do you know what Sinn Fein’s Martina Anderson says, ‘stick border where the sun don’t shine’. Now that’s a lady after my heart.
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November 23, 2019 @ 1:32pm
http://www.therjhuntercollection.com/resources/muster-rolls-c-1630/search-muster-rolls/ https://named.publicprofiler.org/ added 11/24/2019 “Saint Mungo (Mungo Ellot; Mungo doesn’t seem common, likely picked on account of saintly origins) Description Kentigern, known as Mungo, was an apostle of the Scottish Kingdom of Strathclyde in the late sixth century, and the founder and patron saint of the city of Glasgow.” Wikipedia My forename came from granddad who obtained from his grandmother a Mark married to and SA Elliott; Family history of Miles & Maria (Purnell) Mark : of Virginia, Maryland, Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Illinois, Iowa and other points west Statement of Responsibility: compiled by Loren S. Elliott https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/2346147 More on our families history of the; Spencer, Franklin, Rush, and Elliott families; https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/James-Donald-and-Mark-Elliott-tree-LDS-Mesa-AZ-thankyou-1024×445.jpg Do not know why the Family History Center of The Church of Latter Day Saints, put emphasis on the line of Mark where granddad received his forename from, then past as a middle name to my uncle Jack, and me.
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November 23, 2019 @ 11:54am
Edwin McManus, hands, like ranch hands, are men/man. Feel there were other influences on the name but the Belfast, MacManus where likely Catholic, and the ‘manus’ for ‘hands’, came from the Latin, where when the became McManus of Co Fermanagh/Maguire, the likely became Church of Ireland, Anglican, leaning Catholic.
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November 23, 2019 @ 11:50am
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November 23, 2019 @ 9:26am
http://www.devenishandbohoparish.org.uk/ Is that reverend Irish? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullykelter_Castle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monea_castle https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3259687?dpr=2&fit=max&h=521&w=590 My relatives were exiled from both the kingdoms of England and Scotland. We even supported Charles II, who was Catholic on his death bed. When the Prince of Wales takes the throne a Stewart/Stuart will be again on the throne of England. By supporting Charles II, relatives were ‘transported as slaves to The Colonies’. Today’s Tories think that is funny. Well my patriot ancestors of 1776 strung up those Loyalist Tories. Hope I am on the good side of you Maguire people. Hope those Armstrong do not get me in trouble by marrying that Maguire lady. Know there is blond hair blue eyed people among you because the Armstrong are telling me we married in to you Mag-Uidhir dark hair an brown eyed people. Do not know if you can claim that ‘red hair’, it was brought by those I-M253 Vikings and us borderers have those I-M253 Vikings among ourselves also. It is the Fairbair (Fair Bear) marring the Elwald-Ellott, (Elk of the Forest). https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Fairbairn-I-M253-Elliott-Viking-add-mix.png Irwin/Ivine which lived near those Johnston(e), has pointed that out to me. The Armstrong know I exist, but those Tory/Loyalist do not care for me and are trying to kill off the Elwald-Elliott line. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Cowie-of-Gorrenberry-death.jpg When the Cowie died off they killed off my family line of the Daniel (Dand alias for Andrew in Co Fermanah became Daniel) by our R-U106 DNA was living in New England at the time. Note this group has R-L513 where the Elliot and many borderers are R-L193 a subclade of it. https://gorrenberry.com/elliot-glendinning-r-l193-sub-l513/ That other group FTDNA McGuire seems to have that R-L21 in them, is that why the two groups are separated. Those Gresham of Gresham, Norfolk; https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Gresham_Grissom?iframe=ycolorized (101829 Elliott R-S16361) which many match my first twelve markers, and three 2 off of 25, seem to be R-L21,have accepted me. but I seem to be accepted by no one with Armstrong excepted with my R-U106. My family is of Bec near the Gresham of the Gresham Castle region in the north part of Norfolk, England; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beck_Hall You can not blame it on me, it is those dang Armstrong, that put the “black hair beauty”, a Maguire in to the Fairy Bear (Fairbairn I-M253) story, and married that, black hair beauty of County Fermangh. Think a lot of those blond hair blue eyed Maguire which made it to The Colonies easily be descendants of that Johnie Armstrong of Gilknockie that got us Elliott hung by James VI, at Calinrigg, head of the Teviot Water which mouth ends in Kelso, in 1530. Those Armstrong sure can get us Elliott into a mess. Just because a Neil, like O’Neil/MacNeil, of the Armstrong took the first step on the moon, those Armstrong, even though the largest family of the Middle March Scottish side of the Border, those Armstong, Elliott, Nixon, and the Crozier, those which stood up for Catholic Queen Marie of the Scots, and when her son taken by the Protestants, James VI, of Scotland we were the first ones when he became James I of England he wanted to get rid of, so we moved in among the Maguire. If it wasn’t for that President Nixon also of the Middle March family, Armstrong may not have been the first to step on the moon. Can you believe a name like Crozier. It sounds like something St. Patrick would use to chase the snakes out of Ireland. Armstrong and Elliott were not very religious. Someone came to the borders, and seeing no churches, knocked on the door and asked.”are there any Christains”, reply, “no we’s Armstrong and Elliott”. Supporting Marie Queen of Scotland, and being Royalists, we fit right in with those Maguire of Co Maguire/Fermanagh. Our notorious 29th chief lives at Redheugh, Liddesdale, Scotland, lands acquired about c.1500. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0LvU-EISTU At time of Border Pacification (genocide) those Redheugh-Stobs Elliot were the ‘good’, Elliot, guess which ones the Maguire ended up with?
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November 23, 2019 @ 9:23am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop_of_Clogher “Pre-Reformation bishop; 1447 1483 Rossa mac Tomáis Óig Mág Uidhir Rogerius; Ross Maguire; appointed on 21 July 1447; consecrated before 6 January 1450; died in office.” Roger Maguire (Rosa mac) is the son of Thomas Young Mág Uidhir (Maguire). ‘Rogerius’ is Latin for ‘Roger’. Rossa Surname Definition: (Italian) The red-haired or ruddy-complexion man. https://forebears.io/surnames/rossa Interpretation could likely use correction; ‘The red haired son of Thomas, young Maguire, Roger.’ Know you Maguire may not of liked my family of Scotland Dand Ellot/Daniel Elliott Ireland moving in on yours, but my grandfather in 1607 was exiled from both the kingdoms of Scotland and England, and a lot of the Armstrong and Ellot, were genocide after we left. We supported Catholic Queen Marie Stuart French, of Scotland, her son James VI was taken away from her by those Protestants, then she was beheaded by her cousin the ‘virgin’ Queen Elizabeth. When Elizabeth died in 1603 king James VI of Scotland, became king James I of England also, and he sent the English army to clear the borders of us Armstrong and Elliott, genocide a number of us. https://historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/ No wonder you Maguire ended up with us. It was not the Irish we did not like for what happened it was the army of James VI of Scotland also James I of England. We also did not care much for Cromwell.
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November 22, 2019 @ 7:52pm
https://archive.org/details/chroniclesofarms00arms/page/n13 Elliot-Elwald, elk of the woods, married the Fairbairn I-M253 https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Elwald-Elliot-elk-moose-of-the-forest-wood.png https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Fairbairn-I-M253-Elliott-Viking-add-mix.png Of Tullykelter, Co Fermanagh. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullykelter_Castle https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Ellot-Mrs-Hamilton-widow-to-Arch-Bishop-of-Cashell-Anglican..png ‘Sheep stealers from the north of England’: the Riding Clans in Ulster by Robert Bell https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/ gives a bit of the Johnston, Armstrong, and Elliott history in Co Fermangh. Around 1650, Cromwell transported family as slaves to The Colonies; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/SELLING-SCOTS-AS-SLAVES-IS-FUNNY-TO-THE-TORIES-2.mp4?_=1 But in 1776 my Patriotic American ancestors had a solution for those Loyalist, Tory, like people; https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/TheLoyalists.jpg Hope those Armstrong did not lead this Elliott into difficulties like with Johnie Armstrong of Gilnockie; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Gilnockie-Armstrongs-History.mp4
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November 22, 2019 @ 7:18pm
Armstrong, Elliott and Johnston, from the Scottish side of the Scottish English border during the Plantation era, my line arrived before 1610. McManus; son of hands, manus hands in Latin, from MacManus Catholic of Dublin. Maguire considered native to the county previously named County Maguire. Mag-Uidhir of course Irish, Maguire Anglicized.
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Frank Maguire
October 11, 2019 @ 9:42am
Hi Bradley, I am the administrator of my dad’s Frank Maguire’s DNA who is 94 years old. If I upgrade him to the Big 700 can they use the data already sent in for him with the Big Y? Or does he need a new test kit to retest?
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Bradley McGuire
October 17, 2019 @ 10:17am
Frank, I’m not sure about others, but in my case, I needed new swabs. My sample was originally taken in late 2008, so it had a little mileage on it.
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Marshall Howard has a question!
September 17, 2019 @ 4:31pm
“Bradley, It’s been a year or more since I joined this project. And during that time, I’ve been increasing the search levels. I’ve completed Y-111 and the Big Y-700 is in progress. I wish I knew more about how to tweak the data. I’m so new at this, and haven’t been able to devote the time to learn more about the processes. But I am adamant to learn just who my grandfather, James H. McGuire was! So I want to continue delving into this and other study groups. If you can pass some wisdom on to this wayfarer, I’d appreciate it! Thanks Marshall Gordon McGuire Howard ”
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June 18, 2019 @ 3:44am
I am so happy I have a cousin in this project 🙂 My name is Melissa and my Grandmother is pictured here with a very high percentage of Irish Scottish Welsh. This cousin I am related to for privacy reasons I will not say his name but he is in this category: “Airghialla 2 Mag-Uidhir” – Lugain subgroup A and my grandmother has had the FULL mtdna and so has her cousin and so it has been determined she is related to him on his MALE side not female…happy to know this that I must have a grandfather who was a very ancient King of Ireland, for this I am somewhat certain.
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Bradley McGuire
June 18, 2019 @ 11:57am
Welcome Betty! May I suggest joining the Airghialla Mag Uidhir Project? There are over 150 A2 kits listed there (out of 220+ total members). Is the kit listed ( 597955) your’s or your cousin? Because I primarily research Y DNA (although I have full mtDNA or Autosomal tests too).
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Betty Grant
September 7, 2019 @ 1:13am
597955 is the kit# of my Grandmother, Betty Grant, I manage it, she is 93 years old!- I also have a cousins’s kit#509292 and his name is David Grant, he has some McGuires on his Y-12 to Y-67, not sure what that is about but he also has 1 at Y-12 in the same category “Airghialla 2 Mag-Uidhir with a bunch of McGuires who are not in that category. But, I can mention this, my family does have Scottish and Irish blood and they lived in Ireland O’Neil (Monaghan) territory for 700 years after coming from Scotland in 1200’s -Melissa (Granddaughter of Betty Grant)…Also after looking in the advanced matches, I see one more match from that same catagory from a woman named Linda Maguire* who has an ancestor who is of that same catagory…so 3 matches in all to the Airghialla catagory to my family…close (familyfinder) and distant (pointing to a genetic link on the Y) and on the mtdna….so strange! (I personally think this Irish blood has many Royal connections)
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Mark Mcguire
September 6, 2019 @ 1:15pm
trying to firm up my McGuire ancestors from Connaught province. grandfather john joseph McGuire born in belenagare Roscommon. his dad Bernard (aka bryan) died in ballaghaderreen Roscommon (d’ont know his birthplace. Recently I read a synopsis of “Castle Nugent and Castle Rackrent by author Maria Edgeworth) which mentioned the factual basis of her novel. It stated that many maguires (after the insurrection of 1691) married moneyed class from Connaught province to save their Fermanagh lands (McDermott roe – Nugent (Longford) – Mrs Hawkins of Abercorn (Sligo). Wonder if anyone can provide insight into these mcguires (parents-siblings-offsprings through DNA. thank you in advance.
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Patrick Gillis
August 28, 2019 @ 8:31am
My Big Y-700 results have finally arrived today!!!
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Bradley McGuire
August 28, 2019 @ 11:48am
Congrats! Welcome to Z16337!!
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William Fonferek
July 2, 2019 @ 12:54pm
My wife’s great grandfather was James Harry McGuire born abt 1868 in the Irish Free State and died 1899. He immigrated to Savannah GA by traveling on a merchant ship the Amaryllis which left Cardiff England on June 5th, 1887 and arrived Savannah September 5th 1887. I have checked with the Newfoundland Maritime Museum and there is no Crew List for this passage. We do not know where he was born and what his parents names were. We know of no other family that he had. I’m trying to get his great grandson to take the Y-Chromosome test to see if we can link to other family descendants. Any suggestions.
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Bradley McGuire
July 4, 2019 @ 9:38am
Any of his male descendants would work as well. Are any known?
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William Fonferek
July 9, 2019 @ 3:27pm
I’m trying to get his great grandson to do it.
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Bradley McGuire
August 20, 2019 @ 9:48pm
Sorry for the late reply… Is the Grandson still around? Do either one have any brothers? After that I guess cousins might work on the paternal side. Other than that, I’m out of suggestions.
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William Fonferek
August 22, 2019 @ 6:06pm
I know all the male descendents but haven’t been able to get them to cooperate.
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Joseph McGuire
February 4, 2019 @ 11:27am
Greetings, I am interested to know if any researchers have come across information on the Mag Uidhir “sluaghghairm” (war cry). I have read (John Marshall, 1924) that most of the early clans, including O’Neill and O’Donnell had their own distinct war cries that served to both reduce confusion in battle and to encourage warriors to victory. This is also referred to as “Dord-Fian” in the Finn McCool story of the Palace of the Quicken Trees – and other sources. I do not currently plan to go into battle, but should it happen I would prefer to be prepared. THANKS!
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Edwin McManus
January 1, 2018 @ 6:12am
Hello Brad and all,
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Edwin McManus
January 31, 2019 @ 4:15pm
Cathal Óg MacMaghnusa is of the MacManus branch of Maguires descended from MacMaghnusa son of Donn Maguire (d. 1302). Please forgive the “smart” phone auto spell typos above
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Edwin McManus
January 1, 2018 @ 6:15am
Hello Brad and all, I read the cover page and noticed the author of “The Annals of Ulster” author is mistaken listed as Carnal Maguire. The actual author was Carnal Of Mac Maghnusa or Charles McManus. https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-sprint-us&biw=640&bih=74&ei=iDBKWoy-F4bHmwGp15uwDA&q=cathal+og+maghnusa&oq=cathal+og+maghnusa&gs_l=mobile-gws-serp.12..0i22i30k1.21358.35027.0.36167.34.34.0.1.1.0.186.4066.2j31.33.0….0…1c.1j4.64.mobile-gws-serp..1.24.2906…0j35i39k1j33i21k1j33i160k1j30i10k1.1654.buHy0V5PzGU
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Edwin McManus
January 1, 2018 @ 6:19am
Cathal Og Mac Maghnusa – compiler of “Annals of Ulster” which became part of the “Annals of the Four Masters”. Perhaps Brad could edit the home page paragraph on McManus clan to reflect this? Thanks & Happy New Year!
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Edwin McManus
January 31, 2019 @ 4:09pm
Above misspelled- Cathal not carnal https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathal_Óg_Mac_Maghnusa
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Joseph McGuire
January 31, 2019 @ 12:21pm
Greetings, I am Joe McGuire (kit 20012). The Annals of the Four Masters and the Annals of Ulster both mention the “death by foreigners” (i.e., Norsemen) of Tanaidhe Mac Uidhir, comarb (tribal head) of Bennchair (Bangor) and successor of Comhghall in ~957 AD. This is the first known record of the Maguire surname I have found. I dug for information about Saint Comgall, the abbot of Bangor, County Down (~558 AD) and his earlier ascetic seclusion on Lough Erne (Fermanaugh) sparked my interest. I find the connection to Fermanaugh intriguing and would like to know more about this. The Bangor Abbey was apparently a very important center of learning in this period and missionaries from there established several important European monasteries. It was located across from Carrickfergus on Belfast Lough. Comgall is said to have been a friend to Saint Brendan the Navigator, etc. Has anyone researched this? What are some good sources? THANKS!
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Mark Mcguire
January 20, 2019 @ 9:05am
advice please I haven’t been on this site for a while. considering whether to purchase Y-111 or SNP pack R-1B-S5668 (5982) . The recent descendant tree chart (#1) of S5668 only has my McGuire surname listed (not direct ancestors Corcoran-McVay-Campbell-Payton) Is that on Part 2 of the descendant tree. Thank you in advance for your advice. Mark McGuire
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Mark Mcguire
January 23, 2019 @ 6:56am
can someone respond
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Bradley McGuire
January 23, 2019 @ 11:19am
Mark, sorry for the slow response, been on the road. If you have many close matches and have already done a SNP Pack or in depth SNP test, then Y111 is the better way to go to help sort out the last 500 yrs of relatives. However, if you have not done SNP testing, I would recommend either S5668 SNP Pack for KNOWN SNPs or a discovery test such as BigY-500 for all of your SNPs. Cheers Brad McGuire
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Mark Mcguire
January 23, 2019 @ 4:21pm
Thank you Bradley
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Mark Mcguire
January 23, 2019 @ 4:25pm
Can I assume close matches are considered those matches with a genetic distance of 1-2-or 3 and should a Y111 test help to sort these matches out.
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Jul Perry
October 1, 2018 @ 7:29pm
Newbie B413426. Still trying to figure this out. I downloaded my Ancestry DNA test here and am not sure how your DNA results charts work yet. I do believe my Maguire’s are in witness protection 🙂 James Maguire/McGuire b. abt. 1805 Ireland (later census son states Free State Ireland) d. between 1855-1860 PA blacksmith by trade. Married Catherine Robinson/Robertson in NY on 7 May 1835. They lived in NY until at least 1850, then OH 1850, then on to PA by 1855. Sons Daniel, William (died infant), William S, Robert, Charles & George were born in NY, son John was born in OH and James was born in PA. Sons Daniel & Robert nothing known except birth dates. William S., George, John & James settled in ID, Charles settled in PA then moving to Martins Ferry OH. One brother not known lived in CO. One source says James & Catherine had nine children, but the ones I’ve mentioned were from the family bible that was stolen so this is all the info I have regarding how many children.
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Edwin McManus
January 1, 2018 @ 6:27am
“Senadh Mic Maghnusa” mentioned ln website home page, was long known as “Bally McManus” until the new English owners named it “Belle Isle” in 1700s (Bally means Island in Gaelic)
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Edwin McManus
January 1, 2018 @ 6:11am
Hello Brad and all,
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William McGuire has a question!
May 19, 2017 @ 9:38am
“As I’m a part of a private group that all have very close STR matches at 67 markers but all in the group have done different levels of testing which creates a situation where we are shown as quite far apart according to the matches calculated by FTM, I get the impression that FTM pushes upgrades to generate more sales rather than to help with genealogical research, is just by calculating the STR matches the only way to establish a basemark for the purpose? ”
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Carl Maguire
November 28, 2016 @ 5:47pm
Try again: Y 37, 67, 111. Cheers
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Carl Maguire
November 28, 2016 @ 5:46pm
$10 off y37, 37, 111 valid to 12/04/16 : R18XID21DBER. No good to me.
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James McKown has a question!
August 31, 2016 @ 7:18pm
“Hi Brad / Josiah — Other than the Big – Y, is there anything that I should test for? ”
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Bradley McGuire
September 8, 2016 @ 9:35am
Hi James, If you desire to Narrow down your known SNPs besides P66, then the R-L513 SNP Pack would be your most cost effective route.
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James McKown
October 3, 2016 @ 11:57am
Is this the correct Pack? R1b-
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James McKown
October 3, 2016 @ 11:57am
Is this the correct Pack? R1b-L513 SNP Pack?
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Bradley McGuire
November 18, 2016 @ 9:59am
Yes
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Earl Maguire has a question!
November 14, 2016 @ 9:24pm
“I see that my results are included in the “Airghialla 2 Mag-Uidhir” – Lugain subgroup A. What can you tell me about this? ”
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Bradley McGuire
November 18, 2016 @ 9:58am
That means you have an STR signature that matches those of us with the Airgialla II Y DNA. One of our members (deceased now) Charles Robert Maguire had a verified pedigree linking him to Donn Carrach Maguire (the first King of Fermanaugh). I recommend joining the Airgialla Mag Uidhir project for “more like you” info.
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Carl Maguire has a question!
August 3, 2015 @ 11:13pm
“What do I get for my $39 if I order my “recommended SNP” test? ”
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Carl Maguire
November 25, 2015 @ 5:14pm
3 months and this question isn’t apparently worthy of an answer. I don’t even know if its a dumb question. I won’t be spending any more money here ’til somebody clues me in.
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Bradley McGuire
March 21, 2016 @ 10:06pm
Carl, my apologies, please feel free to email me with any other future questions at brad.kat.mcguire@gmail.com To answer your question…it depends. If FTDNA recommends a SNP below M269 then chances are, it will not be as specific as if Josiah or I take a look at your STR pattern. I will do so now and email you my thoughts.
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Bradley McGuire
March 21, 2016 @ 10:28pm
Ok Carl, you are a member of both this Mag Uidhir and my primary Airgialla Mag Uidhirs which a great because it would appear that you are likely related to M222. Which is neither A1 or A2 but most often referred to as Niall of the Nine Hostages. the best course of action at this point would be to take the L21 SNP Pack to refine your most likely terminal SNP. Cheers Brad
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Carl Maguire
March 22, 2016 @ 6:05pm
Thanks Brad. More questions coming via email.
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