FTDNA Argyll NC
How family members are being successful at family history;
THE FAMILY KNOWS BEST.
LISTEN TO OTHERS, ESPECIALLY PEOPLE OF THE OPPISTE SEX, WHEN IT COMES TO FAMILY.
WHEN FINDING FAMILY DO NOT GET RID OF THE IN-LAWS EVEN IF YOU WANT TO.
FAMILIES FIGHT, THOUGH DISAGREEMENT, BOTH POSITIONS-ANSWERS ARE LIKELY CORRECT.
IF THE FAMILY’S HISTORY IS DONE PROPERLY, ONE DO NOT GET TO CHOOSE THEIR RELATIVES THEY AR BORN WITH THEM.
THE FAMILY KNOWS BEST. Anything which is presented as pasted down as family history by a member of the family is accepted as being correct. If someone not of the family line expresses it being incorrect, they may be a historian, but not a family historian.
LISTEN TO OTHERS, ESPECIALLY PEOPLE OF THE OPPISTE SEX, WHEN IT COMES TO FAMILY.
People of the opposite sex see things differently and will offer a different perspective when seeking information about family.
WHEN FINDING FAMILY DO NOT GET RID OF THE IN-LAWS EVEN IF YOU WANT TO. If there are relatives that you do not want to be related to, put them in because they may be linked to relatives you want to be related to.
FAMILIES FIGHT, THOUGH DISAGREEMENT, BOTH POSITIONS-ANSWERS ARE LIKELY CORRECT. Any information you may receive is helpful, and is likely as correct as ones own.
IF THE FAMILY’S HISTORY IS DONE PROPERLY, ONE DO NOT GET TO CHOOSE THEIR RELATIVES THEY AR BORN WITH THEM. (self explanatory).
مدرسة الكويكرز الفلسطينية التي صمدت 150 عامًا من الحرب والاحتلال – كويكر سبيك
تأسست مدرسة أصدقاء رام الله عام ١٨٦٩ على يد اثنين من الأصدقاء من نيو إنجلاند، حين كانت فلسطين لا تزال تحت الحكم العثماني، وتوسعت لاحقًا لتضم حرمين جامعيين في مدينتي رام الله والبيرة المتجاورتين. وقد أجرت QuakerSpeak مؤخرًا مقابلات عبر تطبيق زووم مع رانيا معايه، مديرة المدرسة، وعمر تسديل، أمين مجلس أمنائها.
صمدت المدرسة لعقود من العنف خلال الاحتلال الإسرائيلي للضفة الغربية، بل وتعرضت لهجمات في بعض الأحيان، لكنها ما زالت مزدهرة. يقول عمر: “عندما يبدو الأمل معدومًا، نسعى جاهدين لتوفير ملاذ آمن يشعر فيه الناس بالترحيب والحرية، بينما هم خارج أسوار المدرسة ليسوا أحرارًا على الإطلاق”.
Family Tree DNA social photos 3719534 (1181×912)
American Friends Service Committee – Speed read – NobelPrize.org
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Поскольку у меня нет доступа к набору FTDNA №101829, пожалуйста, используйте набор YSEQ №4069, чтобы найти для меня семейного историка Марка Стефан Эллиотта.
Family Tree DNA social photos 3730883 (1180×884)
Family Tree DNA social photos 3712452 (1180×598)
Поскольку у меня нет доступа к набору FTDNA №101829, пожалуйста, используйте набор YSEQ №4069, чтобы найти для меня семейного историка Марка Стефан Эллиотта.
Michael Moore: English Civil War: Battle of Worcester 1651 | PBS LearningMedia
Westmorlandia_Cumberlandia_Atlas-Saxton 1576 mP.jpg (8880×7001)
On Will of Robt Elliot and family, New Castle, Kittery, Maine b. 1643 by MSE 5/23/2012
Fathers-Father-4-Robert-Elliot-and-Colonial-Maine-Royalists.pdf MSE
Chasing-my-Y-DNA-part-28.pdf MSE
Difficult to Transcribe plus Confusion and a Result with Clarification-1.pdf MSE-7-19-2012
Graham Grantham Ancient Roman J-M267 DNA – Gorrenberry
File:Sasine deed 1484 for Robert Elwald (Elliot), Redheugh, Larriston, Hartsgarth.jpg – Wikipedia
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Fathers-Father-4-Robert-Elliot-and-Colonial-Maine-Royalists.pdf MSE
Chasing-my-Y-DNA-part-57.pdf MSE 3-27-2013
A true and exact history of the island of Barbados | Project Gutenberg
Scottish Poetry Selection – Wha Daur Meddle Wi’ Me?
The royal coat of arms in Scotland has the Latin motto “Nemo me impune lacessit“. The English translation of this is “Nobody interferes with me with impunity” and this is often defiantly expressed in broad Scots as “Wha daur meddle wi’ me?” which is the title of this anonymous poem. But on this occasion it is being aggressively repeated by a member of the Elliot family, one of the Border families who not only fought their neighbours but were part of the first line of defence against marauding English invaders – and could sometimes defy the Scottish monarch as well!
File:Sasine deed 1484 for Robert Elwald (Elliot), Redheugh, Larriston, Hartsgarth.jpg – Wikipedia
File:Crozier and Elliot in Upper Liddesdale Blaeu 1654 map.jpeg – Wikipedia
https://www.familytreedna.com/social-photos/3719534
Tullykelter-to-America 3/1/2012 Mark Elliott PDF
Die Riding Clans in Ulster von Robert Bell PDF
File:Sasine deed 1484 for Robert Elwald (Elliot), Redheugh, Larriston, Hartsgarth.jpg – Wikipedia
Elwald-de-Armstrong PDF
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Peace On The Border
After the riding we dispersed We drifted home in twos and threes Through cold and rain we spat and cursed This ancient war of families
In Barbados Anglican-Royalist Scot POW from the English Civil War 1650 were indentured to the Barbados Plantation, this a precursor to the African slaves.
В этот бесценный момент во всей истории человечества все люди на этой Земле поистине едины – едины в своей гордости за то, что вы сделали, и едины в своих молитвах о вашем благополучном возвращении на Землю.
АСТРОНАВТ АРМСТРОНГ. Спасибо, господин Президент.
click right to enlarge in new tab Seems like a Sir Gilbert Eliott was involve in the Duke of Argyll’s rescue. Sir Gilbert line also Baronet of Nova Scotia. Gib of the Golden Garters because of the sizable dowry he got from marring into the Scotts of Harden line where Walter Scott is a descendant of Muckel Mouth Meg. Time Team History Hunters | Episode 5 | Scottish Border and Related Ballads https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYtXIp_K3bQ The chief and my family got split at the time of Border Pacification. Her line became aristocratic by marrying into the Scotts of Harden. My line was banished from both kingdoms, moved to Tullykelter, Ulster, Ireland. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullykelter_Castle Not aristocratic a bunch of thieves as far as the Redheugh-Stobs family is concerned. Figure I am about the seventeenth cousin twice removed from the chief. Likely she thinks I a wanted ‘vagabound’ from the western US. People likely joined Gilknokie and were hung. Giilbert of Stobs, and William of Gorrenberry were in on the Rescue of Kinmont Willie Armstrong, in 1696, but her line is related to the Muckel Month Meg, Harden Scott line of Walter Scott. Guess since the Duke of Buccleuch, and the Prince of Wales a Spencer like my grandma, when the Prince of Wales take the throne, Buccleuch will have a cousin on the throne. His grandma Queen Elizabeth II, in much better then Elizabeth I, beheading her cousin Marie Stuart, Queen of Scots, keeping Catholics off the throne. Prince of Wales is of this Stuart line, and when he takes the throne, a Stuart will be on it.
Email recognmendation. Book available on Ancestry; Lumber River Scots and their descendants, the McLeans, the Torreys, the Purcells, the McIntyres, the Gilchrists https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/10982/ Also FamilySearch https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/records/?navigation=&perpage=&page=1&sort=_score&search=Lumber+River+Scots+and+their+descendants&fulltext=1&bookmarks=0 Please let me know if useful. Surname ‘Elliott’, shows up.
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Have Roman Catholics of Cork in my family by surname grandma Ryan; https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/23andME-Geni-FTDNA-mtDNA-H27a-Ryan-Murph-Smith-Croak..jpg Which travels along my H27a mtDNA into Finland; https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/H27a-mtDNA-FTDNA-101829.jpg Utilizing Ancestry auto-somal mapping shows the recent DNA of the last two centuries for my mother in Europe and dad in the US. https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Ancestry-and-mtDNA-FTDNA-mapping.jpg Mom’s mom is a Ryan. https://forebears.io/surnames/ryan Mom’s dad is a Barna (Brown in Hungarian). Greek Catholic Polish west Galicia descent. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/3741221.jpg https://forebears.io/surnames/barna
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click right to of enlarged image in new tab When Elizabeth I died in 1603, the son of Catholic Marie Stuart, Queen of Scots was beheaded by Elizabeth I, so her son James taken from her by the Scottish Protestants instead of a Catholic Queen Marie Stuart a protestant son became king, and took control of the English army which geocide the Armstrong and Elliott of the Middle March, destroying there towers between the two kingdoms of England and Scotland. The Union Jack is a flag of genocide, the Stars and Stripes of the rebels Of 1776 is a flag of freedom which means free speech. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Armstrong-Border-Pacification-Genocide-BBC.mp4
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click right to open enlarged image in new tab Been kicked off wikipedia for my research on Clan Crozier and Clan Elliot, an I happen to be an Elliott with Y-DNA going to 28 MAR 1692 where Daniel Elliott who testified in defense of Elizabeth Proctor have researched lines from his first son Daniel and my line through the sixth son Jonathan. See how the stats increase when I was submitting to Clan Eliott of Wikipedia. Trying to help a lady Crozier a geologist out of Manitoba, Canada who thought Clan Crozier should have a Wikipedia Page. Took information which people put into page when I was dismissed from Wikipedia, in PDF form then included in the dot-com, which I built clancrozier.com. Just web search ‘Clan Crozier’, you should find it. The sasine/deed being censored for article; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sasine_deed_1484_for_Robert_Elwald_%28Elliot%29,_Redheugh,_Larriston,_Hartsgarth.jpg
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For making corrections to site; by Mark Stephen Elliott son of Loren Spencer Elliott WikiTree “Your user name or IP address has been blocked by a WikiTree Leader. https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Category:Clan_Elliot Start of block: 21:01, 14 May 2018 Intended for: Elliott-11757″ Suspected violation: Intentionally adding false information Accepting my standards, are Ancestry.com, 23andMe.com, FamilyTree.com, familysearch.org, and gedmatch.com [DNA# A269034(lawismarkellot) Ancestry.com data M904357(markellott) 23andMe.com data corrective Genesis NM6772478 23andme Gedcom#4997456] Gedcom#4997456 (over 4,000 in data base). With FTDNA sites active in Germany, East Anglia, and Norfolk, assist on NC Argyll Colony.] Gedcom#4997456 (over 4,000 in Data base). With FTDNA sites active in Germany, East Anglia, and Norfolk, assist on NC Argyll Colony. Both Wikitree and Wikipedia utilize this link which is outright form of digital censorship; http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/dtog/elliot2.html http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/dtog/elliot.html where this one is not without the “2” Professional research genealogists not of Wikitree utilizing https://elwald.com/, and https://gorrenberry.com/, are readily capable to find documentation on anything I have presented on researching my Y-DNA, of Clan Elliot Both the Wikitree and Wikipedia site the manner of which they are written are indicative of being strongly influenced to the point of control by historian, not of the Elliott surname. When I wrote and was not censor for writing for Wikipedia readership on Clan Elliot Wikipedia went up over ten times. With my fathers standards which were passed on to me, I would not make this clam of anyone doing this; Suspected violation: Intentionally adding false information, yet Wikitree had made this claim about Clan Elliott, the Elliott and I myself, without using the recognizable standard, which I use extensively and that is documentation. Wikitree, or anyone claiming to be a Wikitree genealogist, or anyone referencing Wikitree, the information because of standards passes from father who was a top US Elliot genealogist, to his son which I would disagree with him he thought was a better genealogist, anyone referencing, or claiming to be a Wikitree genealogist because of the statement made about generations of Elliot research, there inform is consider irrelevant unless like I have done proper documentation is supplied to support it. A269034(lawismarkellot) Ancestry.com data M904357(markellott) 23andMe.com data corrective Genesis NM6772478 23andme Gedcom#4997456 Also on Ancestry.com, MyHeritage.com, Familytree.com with DNA, and a 4,000+tree. https://elwald.com/genealogy-by-dad-loren-s-elliott/ https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&who=Pickett-2884 https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Help:Thank-Yous
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_2016_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum#/media/File:United_Kingdom_EU_referendum_2016_area_results.svg 1650 Anglican Hamiltonian Royalists of Argyll, and Co Fermanagh seem to vote the same.
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Feel may be a good place for the Mc-/Mac-, and Campbells to look for family; The Highlanders of Scotland, Their Origin, History, and … – Volume 1books.google.com › books William Forbes Skene · 1837 https://books.google.com/books?id=2y9UAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=%22The+Highlanders+of+Scotland%22&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi7wJi0p_3yAhVKDzQIHW7iCloQ6wF6BAgEEAE#v=onepage&q=%22The%20Highlanders%20of%20Scotland%22&f=false The Highlanders of Scotland: Their Origin, History, and … – Volume 2books.google.com › books William Forbes Skene https://books.google.com/books?id=HZ3rzqel9GEC&printsec=frontcover&dq=%22The+Highlanders+of+Scotland%22&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi7wJi0p_3yAhVKDzQIHW7iCloQ6AF6BAgGEAI#v=onepage&q=%22The%20Highlanders%20of%20Scotland%22&f=false
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Interesting map #2!
Mark Elliott
from Woodrow Wilson’s; History of the American People; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/From-Ulster-to-US-surname-Wilson.mp4 bit more then a minute in length.
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Note the Anglo-Saxon migrated via German DNA towards Argyll, which represent but a small portion of the Argyll population. The Mc-/Mac- (Irish Gaelic ‘O-‘ people likely migrate from Germany by way of France to Argyll, some outside Danish Northumbria-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northumbria#/media/File:England_878.svg
My input is Border biased; Steel Bonnets In Debatatable Lands with George Macdonald Fraser and Eric Robson blob:https://www.youtube.com/e328af0a-60db-4df4-8970-902479a03ee5 Need info on Argyll and North Carolina, to apply to. If I follow, and not lead, the information which comes from you, it will obtain a higher level of correction. All suggestions and info added from group has been at a higher level then I can apply from my English/Scottish border influences. Did the indigenous Americans, from the stand point of not knowing English in the past write American history? Did the Gaelic Scots, from the stand point of not knowing English in the past write English history? Need input from the Mc-/Mac- and Campbell types.
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https://www.therjhuntercollection.com/resources/muster-rolls-c-1630/search-muster-rolls/ https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Pick,1890:Picke https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Beautiful Miners Pickaxe found in our cellar, 1840s https://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/97554-beautiful-miners-pickaxe-found-in-our-ce “This was leaning against the wall in our cellar dirt floor, house was built 1801, My wife’s family moved in after Civil war 1870s, Charles Pickett married a famous women who had a baby. He and his brother traveled in 1840 to the California gold rush, came back to Salem Ma for the war. This pickaxe is from these years, very heavy 12 lbs., and I wonder if I can find out which years actually this came from? would he bring back across the USA from Cal to Mass.” A picket, may be one which occupationally uses a pickaxe. Should be noted without use of explosives, peat would be soft enough to mine with a pick, and some softer coals; https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Heath-Malcolm/publication/333056609/figure/fig1/AS:777266523029504@1562326188158/England-peat-base-map-deep-peats-shown-in-brown-wasted-peats-in-orange.jpg
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Names may change in migration. https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Chronicles of the Armstrongs; by Armstrong, James Lewis 1902 (MD has knowledge of genetics) Page -50- “saga of the Fairy Bear is at the bottom of the early names and heraldry of the Armstrongs, as also of certain other Scottish and English Border families. Certain shields of the Elliots, called also Elwods, Elyards, and Elwalds, of the Alfords who came from near Croyland to the Border, of Loumanes, of the Liddals, of the Armstrongs, and other Border families undoubtedly pictured this tradition. Now these Liddesdale families were called after their shields, and so were the Forresters and others. The legend of the Fairy Bear is found first in the Edda, then in old Danish.” Liddesdale families were called after there shields, like Elwald/Ellot being called Elwand, a standard of not English or French measurement in the later part of the 16th century but a Scottish out of Edinburgh standard. https://archive.org/details/chroniclesofarms00arms/page/31/mode/2up?q=Croyland https://www.google.com/search?q=ftdna+fairbairn&sxsrf=AOaemvIFQaLK1QEuBRmZy9tTnJq0UHbLrw:1631558113590&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjVpqnOy_zyAhVVKn0KHXfFBP0Q_AUoAnoECAEQBA&biw=1366&bih=657
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Indicates where the Atkinson which carry my Y-DNA are.
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Though it is felt the brank between the Atkinson and Elliott Y-DNA is before Co Fermanagh, Ulster, Ireland, but in England. https://www.therjhuntercollection.com/resources/muster-rolls-c-1630/search-muster-rolls/
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click right to enlarge image in new tab just playing around in my retirement
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click right to enlarge image in new tab https://named.publicprofiler.org/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullykelter_Castle
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click right to enlarge in new tab https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/ballads-of-the-Border-Reivers..mp4 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Time-Team-History-Hunters-1998-9-Episode-5-Scottish-Border-and-Related-Ballads-Liddesdale.mp4 Do not know if you are interested in border people, the above provides information. https://elwald.com/clan-elliot-29th-chief-margaret-eliott-of-redhuegh-stobs/
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595275 Clark Alexander Clark, b. 1650 and d. 1690 Scotland J-M172 Schreiber is clerk in German https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Schreiber https://named.publicprofiler.org/ https://forebears.io/surnames/clerk https://forebears.io/surnames/clark Could have migrated to Argyll by way of France. Scott and Montgomery surnames contain J-M172 check for match to names. Feel Argyll name have been Clerk.
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Armstrong always find others to lead, and if they can find better yet an Elliott. People on this blog need to share info on Argyll and NC, so family links can be made. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Johnnie-Armstrong-song-Lori-Watson.jpg https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Lori-Watson-Johnnie-Armstrang.mp4 Can be detrimental for us Elliott. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Scottish-Clans-12-18-Clan-Armstrong-Johnnie-of-Gilnockie.mp4 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Time-Team-Ep5-Ballad-of-Johnie-Armstrong.mp4 Admin’s husband’s mother is an Armstrong, she dropped out. Can teach but need info from families of Argyll-NC to advance with the genealogy.
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https://www.familysearch.org/blog/en/library-lookup-service-fhl/ Family history of Miles & Maria (Purnell) Mark : of Virginia, Maryland, Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Illinois, Iowa and other points west Statement of Responsibility: compiled by Loren S. Elliott Authors: Elliott, Loren S. (Main Author) Format: Books/Monographs Language: English Publication: [S.l. : s.n.], 1994 Physical: unpaged : geneal charts, ports. https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/2346147?availability=Mesa%20Arizona%20FamilySearch%20Library It was interesting how it was indexed. First name-forename from a surname family line of Mark. Visited dad when hill lived in Mesa. Though dad was good at duplicate bridge in 1980 listed in the top 500 hundred group, he liked to partner me in Tempe, AZ, though I quite the novice. Was with him when materials were donated. Put many online, but feel not accessible online. Raised Methodist, by mom raised Catholic. Dad was as question went, ‘any questions’, no we are Armstrong and Elliott’. First wife about four years of Winston-Salem, NC a Moravian converted Mormon met in Salt Lake City, Utah while acquiring a degree in mining engineering, second wife a Wurn then became Warren, mother a Hagan, of Johnston City, TN, for more then 34 years, no children but retired math-sci-computer instructor secondary and university. It is felt that all are prejudice when it comes to a mate, but this prejudice is need to find family history, because you know your family. Can give out info, but you get to choose what is useful to finding your finding. Can teach but can’t find your family as well as you. DNA is a tool for genealogists, and not genealogy being a tool for DNA. When you pay for the data it is your to use. Genealogy is sharing info to find family, and not of rocket scientist.
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click right to enlarge in new tab Above are applications of mtDNA, applied to genealogy. Web search ‘Brigham DNA’, where more examples of applying DNA to genealogy can be found. In genealogy one learns from sharing. Feel enough admin has been done. Those with lesser experience learn from those with more experience. Had to learn from others myself, like the founder of FTDNA Bennett Greenspan. Though I can learn from your emails, you are right about your families on your family history.
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click right to enlarge in new tab Wife has corrected me, the potter is Hopi. Retired school teacher. Ronnie’s father now lives is Scottsdale, AZ, but we were also active in a AIME (American Institute of Mining Engineers), worked for National Gypsum out of Shoals, IN. Mining went bad, had a graduate assistantship to teach math out of the mathematics department, Indiana University. Hobbies genealogy, and computers. Was of an Commodore users group at IU. Modemed into mainframe.
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https://named.publicprofiler.org/ https://electricscotland.com/contact.htm Do not know whether one can trust those Canadians, having known my father-in-law of Toronto then TN&SC , but Alastair McIntyre of electricscoland.com is familiar with the genealogical family research of 28th chief Sir Arthur Eliott of Stobs, father of 29th chief Margaret Eliott of Redheugh, and the research of Loren Spencer Elliott father of Mark Stephen Elliott, his father is Mark Elliott. https://elwald.com/brigham-this-is-the-place-genealogy-with-dna-applied/
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click right to show enlarged image in new tab Example of the use of autosomal combined with genealogical research. It should be note that 23andMe an Ancestry autosomal is transferable to FTDNA. mtDNA examples; https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/23andME-Geni-FTDNA-mtDNA-H27a-Ryan-Murph-Smith-Croak..jpg https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/H27a-mtDNA-FTDNA-101829.jpg 23andMe and FTDNA have me as R-S16361, with extended test Yseq am R-A6719>A6722; https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3697730?dpr=2&fit=max&h=344&w=590 Do not show photo of me to 29th chief Margaret Eliott, sure it may support beliefs of me being a ‘wanted vagabond’, from the western US.
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FYI, Roberta Estes wrote an article in her blog about how to transfer autosomal DNA from other companies to FTDNA, NEED TO MENTION HERE, she said if the Ancestry DNA test was performed BEFORE May 2016 & then you transfer it to FTDNA, you will only get about the first 25% of your matches at FTDNA 🙁
Mark Elliott
FYI, Roberta Estes wrote an article in her blog; DNAeXplained – Genetic Genealogy Discovering Your Ancestors – One Gene at a Time https://dna-explained.com/2019/11/04/dna-file-upload-download-and-transfer-instructions-to-and-from-dna-testing-companies/
click right to open in new tab Should be noted found the R-S16361 is the lowest FTDNA classification given for purchase Yseq R-S16361>A6719>A6722, but 23andMe provided it R-S16361 at no extra cost.
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Just showing likely connections as Y-DNA in 25 markers 2 off, for MacCall, and MacConnell, though in Ulster, Ireland are of Scotland, like my Elliott. Ulster Surnames by Robert Burns likely can be purchased used in paperback, and felt worth the buy if you are finding you like I have DNA Ulster relations.
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click right to see enlarged image in new tab https://named.publicprofiler.org/ exampe; First Name Surname Barony/Lands Landlord/Estate County John McConnell Dungannon R. Lyndsay Tyrone …& more Gawyn Ellot Loughty Sir S. Butler Cavan … & more http://www.therjhuntercollection.com/resources/muster-rolls-c-1630/search-muster-rolls/ for Elliott use Ellot Questions? https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/greenspan/photos
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click right to enlarge image in new tab This is just an example of the kind of things one may get into with family; The first known Quakers to arrive in Boston and challenge Puritan religious domination were Mary Fisher and Ann Austin. These two women entered Boston’s harbor on the Swallow, a ship from Barbados in July of 1656. The Puritans of Boston greeted Fisher and Austin as if they carried the plague and severely brutalized them. The two were strip searched, accused of witchcraft, jailed, deprived of food, and were forced to leave Boston on the Swallow when it next left Boston eight weeks later. Almost immediately after their arrival, Fisher and Austin’s belongings were confiscated, and the Puritan executioner burned their trunk full of Quaker pamphlets and other writings. https://nvdatabase.swarthmore.edu/content/quakers-fight-religious-freedom-puritan-massachusetts-1656-1661 There is an old proverb which assures that truth be told by laughing; La Prision d’Édimbourg (The Prision of Edinburgh) By Walter Scott “2 There is an old proverb which assures that truth be told by laughing. The existence Walter Scott third son of Sir William Scott of Harden is educated as they say by charter bearing the great seal Domino William Scott of Harden militi and Walter Scott “suo legitimo tertio genito terrarum” (world,legitimate begotten) of Roberton. (See the Baronage of Douglas page 215). The old gentleman left his four sons considerable estates and gave those of Eilrig de Raeburn to his third. He who is the ancestor of Scott Raeburn and Waverly. author 11 Appears to have converted to the Quakers or Friends’ doctrine and became a great advocate of principles. It was probably when George Fox, the apostle of the sect, made a nun in the north of Scotland about 1657 AC. It is on this occasion that he says that as soon as the horse had set foot on the land of Scotland he felt the seed of grace shining around him like countless sparks. At the same time no doubt that Sir Gideon of Highchester’s second son William and the ancestor of the friend and parent of the author the representative of the family of Harden also embraced Quakerism. Gideon the latter converted entered into controversy with the Rev. James Kirkton author of the true and secret history of Scotland, which is mentioned by my ingenious friend Charles Kirkpatrick Sharpe in this remarkable and curious edition of this work in 1817. Sir William Scott, the Brethren of the Brothers, remained in the midst of this defection an orthodox member of the church Presbyterian and us a uproot Walter de Raeburn to his heresy means that were more of persecution than persuasion. He was helped in his efforts by MacDougal of Makerston brother of Isabelle MacDougal wife of Walter and who like her husband had adopted the religion of Quakers Sir William Scott’s influence and that of Makerston were powerful enough to obtain two subsequent acts of the Privy Council of Scotland against Walter de Raeburn as heretic quakerism the co-inventor to be imprisoned first in the Edinburgh….” https://books.google.com/books?id=Q8IBc4HvDSgC&pg=PA10&dq=%22Walter+de+Raeburn%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiDguOZh9PYAhVD32MKHR69DOkQ6AEISjAE#v=onepage&q=%22Walter%20de%20Raeburn%22&f=false Gilbert Elliot of Stobs1 M, #397082, d. 24 June 1634 Last Edited=26 Jun 2013 Gilbert Elliot of Stobs was the son of Robert Elwald of the Redheugh and Jean Scot.2 He married Margaret Scott, daughter of Walter Scott of Harden and Mary Scott.1 He died on 24 June 1634.1 In 1607 he bought Stobs from the heirs of his stepfather Gavin Elliot of Stobs.1 He lived at Stobs, Scottish Borders, Scotland.2 Children of Gilbert Elliot of Stobs and Margaret Scott http://www.thepeerage.com/p39709.htm G.1.1.1.1.1.3 : Gilbert Ellot of Stobs, died the 24 January 1634, married Margaret Scott (Harden). (Notes : Gilbert of Stobs, “Gibbie wi ‘the golden garties”, bought Stobs 1607) http://home.kpn.nl/pu6qs9/ellot_clan.htm In the chief’s line it should be noted that Gilbert Ellot of Stob ‘of the golden garters’, likely because of the Dowry he recieved froma marring Margert ‘Fendy’ Scott of Harden. Though I was married of the Society of Friends, Sir William Scott being influenced by George Fox in 1657, Quaker ladies enter Massachussett from Barbados in 1657, my family were Angican, but Barbados was made up of Anglican, and some Quakers at time. Family is Anglican-Charles II Royalist, which religiously evolved to Episcopalian then Methodists, today I am of the Religious Society of Friends. Duke of Buccleuch is and Episcopalian. Though you may have a conflicting history with family that is what makes for finding family. Elliot Chief receives a tribute to her grand mothers at Greenville, SC Forty-eight Elliot Clan Society members participated in the Chief’s Dinner on Saturday evening during the Greenville Games. During dinner, Elliot Clan Society member and South Carolina reenactor, William Grissop, of Travelers Rest, South Carolina delivered a moving tribute to the Chief – honoring her Scottish Border and Southern Grandmothers. The Elliot Chief descends from a line of hereditary Chiefs back to the time of Robert the Bruce in the 1300s in Scotland. Through her Atlanta-born paternal grandmother, she also descends from many early South Carolina families who settled in that state before the American Revolutionary War. Here are the words Mr. Grissop shared with Margaret Elliott of Redheugh: Margaret Eliott is a daughter of the Scottish Borders, that fabled land that produced the men known as the Border Reivers or the Steel Bonnets. They were indeed men of steel. It need not be doubted that these men of steel sprang from, married and fathered women of steel. To even read casually of the Border history would make one wonder what sort of women were these who mothered, married and supported these men, the Steel Bonnets. These were strong women,resilient women, loving women. Were it not so,we of the Elliot Clan would not be here today. Our Chief, Margaret Elliott, is blood and sinew of these people. She is also blood and sinew of another proud line of strong women. Chief Margaret is also a Southern Girl! Her paternal grandmother was born in Georgia and other grandmothers were born in South Carolina and Tennessee. (Being a native South Carolinian with much Georgia blood flowing through my veins, I can readily state that this is about as much glory as one person can stand!) These women of the South have proven their glorious worth over the years. In two great wars,the Revolution and the War for Southern Independence, they saw their men killed and maimed, their homes burned, their property destroyed, their persons violated -yet, they persevered. They would not give up. They would not surrender. Through wars, depressions, hardscrabble existence and often unbelievable hardship, these Southern women prevailed and won the admiration of all who knew them. Soft-voiced, with a lilting drawl, sweet innocent eyes, magnolias and moonlight, these women were forged and fired in the furnace of adversity, sorrow and love. They came out with the steel in their character that their grandmothers, the Scottish Border women, evidenced so long ago. A few years ago, someone coined a phrase about a group of Southern women that so fitly rests upon the brow of them all, “Steel Magnolias.” So, we have the happy circumstance of the Chief of our Elliot Clan being a Scottish Border Lassie, a Carolina Girl and a Georgia Peach all rolled into one lovely woman. Down here in Dixie, we have a saying that very aptly applies to this situation: Hoss, it don’t get no better than that!” “After the tribute, the Chief was presented areal “Steel Magnolia” forged in Westminster, SC by the Marcegill’s, artisans at Ringing Anvil Forge. With thanks to The Signal Tower of the Elliot Clan Society, USA. For information on the Elliot Clan Society, USA, contact Patricia Tennyson Bell, 2288 Casa Grande, Pasadena, CA 91104 or email<dublincollen@sbcglobal.net>. Section B Beth’s Newfangled Family Tree August 2008 Page 3 https://docplayer.net/45727391-Flagstaff-arizona-welcomes-macbains.html My family were supported of the Hamilton Redheugh line;https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Sasine.jpg, back in the day it is felt that Robert of Redheugh and Buccleuch had as disagree, where it was noted that Redheugh likely want to kill Buccleuch. It has be said that within the Redheugh-Larriston line on was married to Jean Scott sister to Buccleuch but said to be the mother of Gibbie (biological?), feel this is where the problem may be. I am not a part of this being from the so call extinct Gorrenberry line which served for the family to obtain the lands of Redheugh-Larriston from Archibald ‘Bell the Cat’, Douglas fifth earl of Angus in the later part of the 15th century. Sometimes it is good to be extinct. At least even though 29th chief Margaret Eliott, might consider me some sort of ‘vagabond’ she is again ‘of Redheugh’. Her line became aristocratic after my Elliott line was in the American Colonies. It should be noted, that my family is of a Catholic to Anglican to Episcopalian, wife (born and raised in Johnson City, TN) and I were raised Methodist, but married in the manner of Friends; Quakers. When you do family history it is a given you as for your family today will find your family in conflict. Family fight, so those you highly agree or disagree with need more family research. To find family people need to share family stories freely among each other. A suppression of speech impedes this. People in family history give it to you as accurate as possible, and viable genealogy do not question it’s authenticity. Any history given from family from my experience anyone, age, race, intellect, sex or anything else, even if it seems very ‘odd ball’, have always from history given from the family the aged seem to have more of it going back in time to be the most accurate family history one can find.
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We have a lot of those Steel Magnolias
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I am related to the fishers wonder if I am related to that Mary Fisher.
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https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:fisher,1890:fischer https://named.publicprofiler.org/ https://forebears.io/ Finding the people which the Gaelic Highlanders took in were Anglo-Scots, this is why I feel the Scottish of Ulster is spoken very northern Scots-Gaelic region of northern Ireland (Presbyterian). At the time of Cromwell, Charles I was beheaded, the Gaelic Mac- likely sent along before the Quakers to work the sugar plantations of Barbados. Though people think that the history is correct, but Blacks and ‘Mac-‘, and Quakers did not particularly write, nor did the Anglo-Saxon Scot, but they made the history by pitching in. To be a slave basically means you were resettled. Kid Carson suggested similar tactics to bring in the Navajo which were raiding as Sherman used on Atlantic, Georgia. It is a Cromwellian attitude, of people likely my family being killed by Irish Gaelic in Co Armagh, north Ireland, to sell the Anglican Royalist Charles II supporters Cromwellian Civil War Scots as POWs indentured slaves to their American Colonies. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/SELLING-SCOTS-AS-SLAVES-IS-FUNNY-TO-THE-TORIES-2.mp4?_=1 Y-DNA is showing matching between blacks and white, it is not because they raped their slaves. History does not always distinguish skin color though many blacks were captains of ships on sea. It is felt that Rev Gomes given he has a Portuguese name his family were seamen. Should not say this, but researched one white inn owner to Northerns his family black operated the inn, and inherited it. Quakers were breaking North Carolina state laws by freeing the slaves, and moves on to operate the underground railroad. There are Conservative Friends Meetings in North Carolina, and Iowa, where my Mt. Ayr, IA, (a migration from NC to IA) Elliott are of, just north of a slave state of Missouri. My Elliott are border Elliott, of the Anglo-Scots language. Chieftain line used Norman names of Robert and William, but John, Jack/Jock Scottish most popular. The Y-DNA is correct but is is a terrible bias by the people thinking it was rape, which a black and white shares similar Y-DNA. Though the killings of blacks is the northern states where there seems to be problems, seem to be carried like Cromwell to an extreme, the ones who win wars seem to think by winning the war they are correct. The UK did not fight over the question of slavery and states rights, they purchased the slaves from the owners. They also in their had slaves of the Scots in the Kingdom of Scotland.
click right for enlarged image Ann Mallet at the time a 72 year old retired elementary school principal. In October will be 72. She brought it up and asked me if my line happen to be related to Benjamin Franklin. Did not know whether I wanted to admit it or not. Catching lightning in a jar along with his acts of rebellion makes him a questionable character, now is seems we both are of R1b-U106 Y-DNA. Write-up done by dad Loren Spencer Elliott, with the Spencer being R-L48 a subclade of Rb1-U106. One does not get to choose their ancestors, they are born with them.
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I know how it is I had to get stuck with Dolly Parton
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click right to show enlarged image in new tab This site is great though I am an Elliott not a McCall. For my name it could be English or Scottish, this site shows it is Scottish. https://named.publicprofiler.org/ for MacCall to McCall hotspot. http://www.therjhuntercollection.com/resources/muster-rolls-c-1630/search-muster-rolls/ Ellot Elliott on Hamilton estate of Co Fermanagh had family on Sir John Hamilton in Co Armagh, given 1630 Ulster muster. First Name Surname Barony/Lands Landlord/Estate County John McCall Fewes J. Hammelton Armagh Robert Ellot Fewes J. Hammelton Armagh John Ellot Fewes J. Hammelton Armagh http://www.therjhuntercollection.com/resources/muster-rolls-c-1630/search-muster-rolls/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullykelter_Castle
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click right to open enlarged image in new tab Grandma Ilah Spencer Elliott, her oldest aunt Zoe Elliott Nichols, and my youngest brother James R. Elliott have red hair. There is an I-M253 Elliott-Fairbairn (Fair Bear) link; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Elliot-Fairbairn-R-M253-1024×532.jpg https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/James-M.-Irvine-Fairbairn-Elliott-I-M253-1024×630.jpg https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Elliott-Fairbairn-I-M253-Anglo-Danish-match-up.jpg
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BBC visits Donald Trump’s Mother’s home on Isle Of Lewis, Scotland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yk0OB30M1A May be of interest of this group. Note I and many others especially those into genealogy pitch in their family history are Americans first, they do not follow either party. DNA differences show differences, even a past president from his mother has the ‘Mac-‘, and red hair.
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Interesting map # 1!
Maps are from A History of the American People by Woodrow Wilson. Noted when the Presbyterian the Mc- came in is between the dates of both maps. Thought they may be of help. Showing Cape Fear, NC which the Argyll Colony migrated to. Note TN of NC.
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click right to open enlarged image in new tab Made her earrings out of high grade Morenci, AZ turquoise, the blue in them kind of matches mom’s eyes. Mother when she was alive talked highly about he blue eyes.
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click right for enlarged image in new tab The mtDNA comes from the mother’s mother’s line like the X-DNA, mine is H27a.
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Smith is quite common, need to look for Y-DNA matches of other surnames, then use programs such as https://forebears.io/ and https://named.publicprofiler.org/ to help determine their localities which at one time coincided. The J-M172 Smith, check for matches on Montgomery and Scott. The I-M152 for matches of Gowan/MacGowan. Gobha is Gaelic for smith.
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You Can Do DNA – Christi Lynn Jacobsen, Dana Leeds ..https://www.rootstech.org/video/you-can-do-dna?lang=eng › video › you-can-do-dna Learn about what they can do and what they can’t do, so that you can pick the right DNA test to best help you make more and meaningful connections in your … Excepting Dana Leeds other are of the DNA Guide Team. The Leeds Method of Clustering DNA Matches – Dana Leeds https://www.danaleeds.com/the-leeds-method/ About the Your DNA guide team members — Your DNA Guide https://www.yourdnaguide.com › about Meet the Team · Diahan Southard, Founder and CEO, Genetic Genealogy Expert and Educator.. https://www.yourdnaguide.com/about It is felt that on these blogs many people may be historians, where the history does not come from historians, but from inside the family receiving the history from other family members. Historians a lot of times do not have the scientific-genealogical-knowledge to do genetic genealogy, their methods sometimes seem by calling researchers liars, which are sharing research with others, or kicking them off of blog. This is a form of silencing which is not utilized in science of genetics or searching of genealogy. Know people may like to kick in-laws, spouses, x’s or whatever out, when this is done it is no longer family history. With family history it is new knowledge and a new point of view which is needed.. In families you must have those with or without the “Y”, and getting family info from the opposite sex is the best way of approaching a new view. Dana Leeds is a nurse which developed the Clustering Method of autosomal DNA. Ask yourself who is more likely to apply genetic-genealogy properly, a nurse or a historian. The DNA Guide team are genetic genealogists basically moms of Brigham Young University, the only school I know which has a four year program in genealogy. Pretty much Mormon ladies which religiously apply genealogy, where DNA autosomally is an added tool to the genealogical researcher’s tool box. What these ladies are presenting is genealogical universality both in the research universal the various genealogical family research and both sexes. Feel autosomal is the base, and to be extended beyond by those carrying the Y-DNA down the line of their respective father’s father.
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click right to enlarge in new tab example Y-DNA tactic and technique seems to show demand Use compact; https://screenhunter-free.en.softonic.com/windows/alternatives/free Use 32&64 bit; On computers at FHL Family History Library, Salt Lake City, Utah; https://www.irfanview.com/
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John’s father is Johnathan Jr, father is Johnathan Sr. his father is Daniel shown in Y-DNA tree. Johnathan Sr. is the sixth son show in Framingham, MA incorporated in 1700 vitals. First born after Framingham became incorporated. First son Daniel born at Otter Neck/Stone’s End, Ebenezer through Nathaniel born at Salem End a place of refugees from the Salem Witch Trials. Both Otter Neck/Stone’s End, and Salem End were incorporated into Framingham, MA in 1700. Peter last son is named after father-in-law Peter Cloyes son-in-law to Edmund Littlefield, Wells, Maine. https://maineroots.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Snap3.jpg Second wife Sarah Town Bridges Cloyes; AMERICAN PLAYHOUSE: THREE SOVEREIGNS FOR SARAH My relatives; witches, rum runners and border reivers, and who knows what else, but I’m finding it interesting.
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https://books.google.com/books/about/The_History_of_Liddesdale_Eskdale_Ewesda.html?id=nFr7oQEACAAJ The Armstrong and my family were Royalist, fought on the side of the Irish against Cromwell in the the Cromwellian Civil War about 1650, on the side of the Anglican Hamilton. It should be noted that the heart below the cross of St. Andrew on the shield, symbolizes the heart of Robert the Bruce. When the monarchs of Scotland and England were related they wanted to get rid of the army strong, Armstrong. https://www.jstor.org/page-scan-delivery/get-page-scan/25612631/0 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/SELLING-SCOTS-AS-SLAVES-IS-FUNNY-TO-THE-TORIES-2.mp4?_=1 The highlanders, of Gaelic Scotland called red legs. Legs of those wearing kilts can turn red when exposed to the sun. The Scots Gaelic and Border/Ulster, were lucky to survive the Cromwellian Civil War as indentured-slaves. Evolution for the County Fermanagh Scots would be as my family was Catholic to Anglican-Episcopalian Methodist. Most the highlanders would become Catholic ‘Mac-‘ to Presbyterian ‘Loyalists’. The largest migration since the one to Canada during the Viet Nam war was previous to the American Revolution, mainly I am finding Nova Scotia. My father-in-law was from Toronto, Canada. Worked with a Campbell geologist from Nova Scotia. Chief Margaret Eliott, descendant Sir Gilbert Eliott of Stobs was Baronet of Nova Scotia. Genetics along the Tennessee-North Carolina border where mother-in-law shows a high percent of red hair people along with Nova Scotia. Likely a strong Argyll-Nova Scotia link, along with an Argyll-North Carolina link. “I don’t think red hair is dying out but I think it is becoming more rare because of globalization. Welsh(Breton) and Irish(Gealic) have probably barley mixed with each other in the last 2000-2500 years and they have the same percentage of red hair, meaning redheads reproduced at the same rate in both populations. Red hair is at 10-15% in Nova Scotia Canada and in the Appalachian region of the USA just like it is in Scotland, and they’ve been there for 200-300 years, proving redheads reproduced at the same rate in the new World as in the old World. Red hair is at a consistent 1-5% rate in west Europe, and probably has been reproducing at the same rate since the bronze age.” https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/30395-Scotland-s-Redheads John Wilkinson, Can’t tell if you have red hair, but if you do in your close family, take it you have a bit of Viking in your ancestry. That is the genetics of it.
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21 289749 McDonald Angus MacDonald b. 1847 I-M223 22 B1563 McDonald Roderick MacDonald, b.c. 1760, Mingulay, Scotland Both above are close matches and should consider Mingulay, Scotland as the place they are both from. I-M223 is Anglo in this case Scots. 106 478354 Macdonald Allan Macdonald b 1726 Kilmorich,Argyll d 1793 R-FGC52698 Allan is the Anglo-Scots form of Allan-Allen. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/R-U106-I-M223-Germanic-PoBI-1-1024×351.jpg 97256 Macdonald Angus MacDonald b.c1786 Sleat, Isle of Skye d.1859 Scotland R-FGC52691 478354 Macdonald Allan Macdonald b 1726 Kilmorich,Argyll d 1793 Scotland R-FGC52698 318645 McKinnon Neil MacKinnon Scotland R-FGC52698 https://named.publicprofiler.org/ for MacKinnon, Isle of Skye looks promising then towards Argyll, like the MacNeil to MacNeill Mine mapping distribution shows Border Pacification ca 1600; https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Border-Pacification.png The History of Liddesdale, Eskdale, Ewesdale, Wauchopedale and the Debateable Land: By Robert Bruce Armstrong, Volume 1 https://books.google.com/books/about/The_History_of_Liddesdale_Eskdale_Ewesda.html?id=nFr7oQEACAAJ Robert Bruce Armstrong’s Papers – Wire-Strung Harp For the Garlics of Ireland and the Scottish Highlands https://www.wirestrungharp.com/library/armstrong/ Someone emailed me with the name Robert Bruce MacDonald. The Argyll-Isle Skye MacDonald and Armstrong supported Robert the Bruce. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Niel-Armstrong-border-pacification.odt https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Armstrong-Border-Pacification-Genocide-BBC-1.mp4 Of County Fermanagh (formally Maguire) of Maguire and McDonald, the Armstrong ca 1650 married the Gaelic Maguire. https://archive.org/details/chroniclesofarms00arms/page/n8/mode/2up?q=Maguire The Gaelic Scottish Highlanders, and the Border Reivers in supported of Robert the Bruce are not felt to write the major of proportion of history of today’s UK. Do you think that the UK historians reference much Robert Bruce Armstrong’s history of Liddesdale, which was a reference utilized in the Chronicles of the Armstrongs edited by James Lewis Armstrong MD. Both Robert Bruce and James Lewis are not historians, nor though at the secondary level I was qualified to teach history, and math-sci computer instructor, taught in those areas. Have been excluded from blogs by historians, because excluding is not of genealogists or scientists which genetics is of. Anyone which would exclude someone, is not a genetic scientist, but likely a historian, which finds nation state history not family history.
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click right to enlarge in new tab This is for all engineers; My father Loren Spenser Elliott a graduate agricultural engineer became a ciivil Watershed Planning Engineer for the Soil Conservation Service in Des Moines, Iowa, where I became a graduate mine engineer graduate of the University of Utah, wher the Family History Library of familysearch.org is located. He also as with his mom were family genealogists. Aeronautical, like Neil Armstrong, and FTDNA co-founder Max Blankfeld, friend in Deb Misra of mining engineer, an past student his son Ronnie Misra. Then engineer which warn of ‘O’ ring temps on shuttle. https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/03/21/470870426/challenger-engineer-who-warned-of-shuttle-disaster-dies For the genetic genealogists, and the international team which did the PoBI genetic study. “The People of the British Isles (PoBI) project was initiated by Sir Walter Bodmer in 2004, in an effort to create the first ever detailed genetic map of a country. … We recruited volunteers whose four grandparents were born in rural areas of Britain, within 50 miles from one another.” https://www.peopleofthebritishisles.org/population-genetics Steve Wozniak American engineer (of Polish descent) woz.org Stephen Gary Wozniak, also known by his nickname “Woz”, is an American electronics engineer, computer programmer, philanthropist, and technology entrepreneur. (also taught) For the founder of FTDNA Bennett Greenfield, if he does not make fun of my thinning hair may yet make a genetic genealogists. When I told people that I instructed the youngest student at MIT, could sort out those which were not genetic genealogists because those are the ones which would take me as a liar.
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https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/The-MacNeil-MacNeel-Clan-Castle-Kisimul-Castlebay-Barra-Island-Scotland.mp4 Need to figure out whether they are Catholic.
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Approximate not accurate for all situations. https://named.publicprofiler.org/
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About 1600, the Johnston, and Armstrong major surnames in Co Fermanagh. 1. Maguire, 2. Johnston, and 3. Armstrong, where Armstrong were exiled and exterminated, and likely some Johnston, and Armstrong moved in with the Gaelic speaking people. It should be noted that both Neil Armstrong, and Duke of Buccleuch consider(ed) Langholm, Scotland as their hometown. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/my_Kj9V-8MxVbzPzGJqRpaMWi7QSoNwqshCi3TPP8mvAlfa-XeIvWQ0CMlR6fvbiNpgjMLHQIlcErnef-ltxugss79rF9PwejLMYCnk0HqpZMba9Ctm7x5mEWwbT4JnETONz_3vKT8Xb9natMkFUsDvUB7U6
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https://named.publicprofiler.org/ For Americans Canada/US that were Presbyterian, in UK likely the Catholic-Gaelic-Mac your would likely be interested in. Names such as McDonald, McNeill, and Campbell will likely have a lot of merged Y-DNA. If one can find matches especial to other ‘Mc-‘, which are smaller in number and have less Y-DNA diversity this ‘hotspot’ program using the ‘Mac-‘ version of the name may help give region to search Y-DNA family.
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https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Wilk,1890:Wilken https://www.peopleofthebritishisles.org/population-genetics John Wilkinson https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQZrorZXLAHNvx12Nu-ifQ0HZQgrlULpPK40logJDtkPMoN-8shohnkWDCwAJYgX-efjtk&usqp=CAU Indicates north Poland. https://forebears.io/surnames/margaryan The Gaelic MacNiell likely took you in in Argyll. Maybe a Wilkinson became a MacNeill in Argyll and migrated with the MacNiell to become McNiell in Co. Antrim, Down. Look for name Wilkinson in Argyll.
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https://phylogeographer.com/scripts/heatmap.php https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Seems to put the McNeill into Co. Antrim. Stretching a bit; First Name Surname Barony/Lands Landlord/Estate County Donnell McNeill Dunluce Earl of Antrim’s British tenants Antrim Gilbert McNeill great Ardes Lord Viscount Clannaboyes Down http://www.therjhuntercollection.com/resources/muster-rolls-c-1630/search-muster-rolls/
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There are def lots of McNeil in Antrim, but it’s unclear how many predate the Ulster plantation period. Some may be lines that pre date Dal Riada, but that seems stretch to me. My own L20 has a peculiar matching to both 2x McNeills who trace to Tiree, but also a Pedersen out of Denmark. Margaryan et al found 3x R-L20 in their Viking remains study in 2019. Due to the Argyll and Denmark matches, I’m inclined to believe my paternal line is Norse-Gael in origin. But definitive proof continues to elude for now.
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Consider what I am trying to deal with my R-U106; https://gorrenberry.com/john-elwald-1418-rector-st-andrews-conn-mcconnell-mccall-dna-kirkinner-carnesmole/ Remember pre-surname matches; South Poland Wilk (for wolf where the wolfs are of), to Wilken; https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Wilk,1890:Wilken https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Pedersen As Wilk to Wilken/Wilkin (where Pedersen originated) to Wilkenson in Anglican England.
John Wilkinson June 29 @ 7:34am Is there any appreciable collection of Mc/MacNeil(l) that are R-U152? See you already have looked where I am looking. https://www.familytreedna.com/public/MacNeil?iframe=yresults From Isle of Arran-Bute, Scotland, to Co. Antrim, Ulster is a good bet for Argyll to Ulster migration of this group. Above shows a McNeil of Arran. Name may have became McNeill on Arran, then to Co. Antrim. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Isle+of+Arran/@55.5776178,-5.5187278,10z/
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Mt. Ayr (ayr Scottish, air English), Ayr after home of Robert Burns; Auld Lang Syne (old long since), who wrote is the language of the Scots. AW great granddad Mark, granddad his wife my grandma Ilah Spencer. The older sister aunt Zoe, twin sister aunt Lois, and dad Loren Spencer Elliott, came out first stuck in cold closet, doc on farm had another as sister Lois, came out and cried, then dad in closest died. Wouldn’t you know it the one without the Y-DNA cried out first. On dad’s birth certificate he was born second. The proceeding is a example of family history, and what people for their own respective families need to do is find histories and pictures of there own families. It helps to be in contact with older members of the family for photos and history. Twins were born Mar 16, 1923. In black and white photos hair color is genetics.
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Click right to enlarge in new tab. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Armstrong-Elliott-Johnston-Fermanagh-surname-distribution-map.jpg https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/ After the above, can not see why the Gaelic Argyll Scotts would Anglicize there name to Johnston. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Edward-McDonald-helped-Johnston.jpg
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Click right to enlarge in new tab. How family members are being successful at family history; 1. The family knows best. 2. Listen to others, especially of the opposite sex, to make family. 3. Do not in a family search, get rid of the in-laws, though you may want to. 4. Families fight, and likely not just one answer is correct, in the history. 5. If the family’s history is done properly one does not get to pick their ancestors. Trying to show where I am coming from. The original admin had husband’s mother who was and Armstrong, and Osborn ancestry so I became curious. Dad got me interested in genealogy, and engineering. First wife met in Salt Lake was from Winston-Salem, raised a Monrovian converted to Mormonism moved to Salt Lake, where I am a degree mining engineering, met second wife born and raise in Johnson City, TN, in Gallup, NM, where I have been in a mainly Navajo environment a math/science-computer programing FORTRAN/BASIC instructor. The Gaelic speakers of north Ireland/Highlands took in us border people most likely at the time of border pacification around 1600. Even took in some Turners. 1. The family knows best. Though at time when people thought the may be NPE they were not, or they felt part of their family migrated at time of American Revolution to areas such as Nova Scotia which were England had to tell people the were correct. 2. Listen to other; genealogy is getting info from other, and those of the opposite sex are most likely to have a different point of view, and give better info. 3. Do not get rid of in-laws; been kicked off a number of blogs, realize the data you paid for it belongs to you, and you are the one to be most likely correct about your family, so do not kick anyone out even though you may want to. 4. Families fight; if you feel like you want to fight with someone you have better check out their genealogy because they are likely family. To the Buccleuch and the family of ‘Auld Wat’, had an influence on the change in Elliot Chief from the Hamilton line which I am connected to, dad posed a concern on those people likely Loyalist as oppose to his family the Elliott which were Hamiltonian Royalist, and it looks like the ‘Sir Gilbert’, chieftain line may have came over about the same time as many Argyll Colonists to NC. Sometimes it is difficult can take it out of you but at the end of it all you say for yourself you are doing for family. https://www.rootstech.org/video/you-can-do-dna?lang=eng
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click right to enlarge in new tab linguistically the Argyll Gaelic Scots some may have stopped over in Co. Donegal, Ireland on way to NC. https://www.peopleofthebritishisles.org/population-genetics
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I don’t know how I’ve been on this platform for nearly four years and I never caught this project until now. Thanks for the add.
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Is there any appreciable collection of Mc/MacNeil(l) that are R-U152?
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https://forebears.io/surnames/mcneil https://forebears.io/surnames/mcneill Gary Campbell, matching a McNeill, may not be all that bad, it shows that you migrated from Argyll to the North Carolina Argyll Colony.
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Mark can you run this same analysis to see if any McNeill/McNeil in NC cluster that are R-U152?
https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Mac- (likely Catholic) upon migration becomes Mc- (likely Presbyterian).
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Richard Mcdonald Same with msyself as above #944183
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“I upgraded to BIG Y-700 my results came in today. Is there anything I need to do to update my results? Kit 945523 Thanks! ”
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Same with msyself as above #944183
click right to enlarge in new tab. Mainly; I-FT269703 (been auto-updated) in grouping. I upgraded to BIG Y-700 my results came in today. Is there anything I need to do to update my results? Kit 945523 Thanks! Related sometime in people in above grouping. Seems to be quite distribution, but origins of MacNeill to McNeill northwest Scotland, some to North Ireland, others to America.
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Sheila Graves Pennell
New member here – I’m floundering around following various branches of my family tree; one branch leads to Clan McBryde (McBride) via John McBride (d. 1785) and Mary Gilchrist McBride (d. 1792) from Kintyre, Scotland around 1763. They are buried in McEachern cemetery near Raeford in N Carolina. I’m lucky to have a few extended family members who have kept some records, however scattered. Edit: With further effort and time, I was able to locate the tree branches in question.
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James Murchison
I have lots of information on Alexander McAllister. email me at trishahen@earthlink.net
https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Name likely MacBride, became McBride in America. Finding Catholic ‘Mac-‘, migrating as ‘Mc-‘ Church of Scotland; Presbyterians.
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I have a 3rd great-grandmother who was a McBride 🙂 As far as I can tell my McBrides moved from County Down to North Carolina. Then later into Indiana.
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Though my family migrated from Ulster, am finding a lot of MacBride about 1740 before American Revolution as ‘Mc–‘ Presbyterians as part of the North Carolina Argyll Colony would migrate from Argyll to NC, others from Argyll to Co Down, likely then to America. It seems like your family and mine may have migrated to Ulster then onto America.
Seem to have closed me off from the FTDNA Yorkshire activity feed or closed the feed, but photos I uploaded are available at this link; https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/yorkshire/photos
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Joseph Cullipher
Hi group, I have just joined and am wondering if I am in the right place. My great grandfather was William A. Murray and as best I know, that name takes us back to Perth, and my descendants from this line seemed to have settled out around Nash Co. NC. The county does not match up but the time period around where the transition from Scotland to NC occurs is pretty close. Any thoughts?
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Amanda Blaker
Hi. It appears I have 4 distant cousins in this group, but the trees are completed far enough back to determine how. I descend from MacDonald/McDonald’s who settled in Moore County, at McLendons creek. Immigrated between 1771-1774. I seem to also match distantly to many McCaskill/MacAskill’s and some MacLeods. Not sure how. Possibly through the wives of the McDonald’s that I haven’t been able to confirm. If anyone is familiar with families in the area I’d love to hear from you. Other surnames are Bane / Bain but I havent been able to confirm that they immigrated to NC.
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https://named.publicprofiler.org/ https://forebears.io/surnames/mcleod#place-tab-2014 IN42631 McLEOD John Bain McLEOD I-M253 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-38648877 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-47400641 Likely from Lewis Island as MacLeod (Catholic) to SC as Presbyterian?
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Margaret Eisler
I have just joined this group. My great grandfather Donald McPhail was born in Scotland in 1811, lived on Mull and Ulva and then in Muckairn Parish near Oban at a croft called Kilvaree. The Duke of Argyll seems to have been the proprietor. In 1843 Donald McPhail married Ann McColl and the had about ten children, some born on Mull and others at Oban and Kilvaree. In 1885 Donald and all but three of his sons emigrated to Elgin County, Ontario, Canada where I presume there were already relatives. My brick wall has been the parents of Donald, who I believe were named Dugald McPhail and Mary Clark. Since Donald was born in Scotland I think it is safe to say that Dugald and Mary were in Scotland in 1811 and likely never left.
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(continued) I have become aware in the last few weeks that I and the people whose kits I administer are related to many McPhails in North Carolina. While I saw no McPhails on the 1739 list, there are 3 McPhail siblings (Isabelle, Dugald and Daniel) who emigrated to Cape Fear in 1772 but I have not been able to figure out what ship. Some of my family think that this Dugald is the parent of Donald McPhail who stayed in Scotland but the dates don’t work. Using DNA and ancestry thru lines, I am finding a lot of dna matches and by comparing trees I am able to see how they fit into my tree. However I believe that there must be a common ancestor back in the early 1700’s that would explain why there are so many dna matches, between people descended from McPhails in North Carolina and Scotland. Bottom line, I want to find which Dugald McPhail was the father of great great grandfather Donald McPhail 1811-1895. Note: my first message said Donald was great grandfather, but he is actuall great great.
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Hi Margret,I see you have Dugald McPhail listed in your post. He was married to my 4th G. grand aunt Isabella Murphy B. in NC. However,I don’t see a Donald as one of the children
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https://www.genealogy.com/ftm/p/h/i/Lorri-G-Saintcross-MD/index.html https://forebears.io/surnames/saintcross 37 of them. Saintcross is more the Spanish Santacruz, but as Saintcross seemly found in Maryland, and New York.
Lorri Saintcross
Hi Mark, my husband’s family (Saintcross) origins are from Bologna Italy. And we are probably the Maryland & New York Saintcross’ that you reference (He’s from NY and we currently live in MD). 🙂 Because Saintcross is my married name, I focus on my maiden name during research, Phillips. I wasn’t sure how this project handled the female last name since it is not our “DNA” name. In my past post I just wanted to show that my DNA name was Phillips, which is a known Argyll colony name.
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It can be your Y-DNA name if the Y-DNA came from brother, father, father’s brother, or father’s bother’s sons for instance which carry the Phillips Y-DNA which you may be able to submit if not already for testing. If available of course.
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https://forebears.io/surnames/tow S. Tow Scotland Marriages, 1561-1910 Name: S. Tow Event Type: Marriage Event Date: 17 Feb 1857 Event Place: Leith, Edinburghshire, Scotland, United Kingdom Event Place (Original): Leith, Midlothian, Scotland Gender: Male Spouse’s Name: Catherine Hall Spouse’s Gender: Female Name: Jemima Tow* Sex: Female Husband: James Daughter: Janet Louisa Mary Hunter Other information in the record of Janet Louisa Mary Hunter from Scotland Church Records and Kirk Session Records, 1658-1919 Name: Janet Louisa Mary Hunter Event Type: Baptism Event Date: 28 Nov 1880 Event Place: Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland, United Kingdom Event Place (Original): St. Mary’s parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland Gender: Female Father’s Name: James Mother’s Name: Jemima Tow* ‘Tow’ definitely, but ‘Dow’ is strong in region.
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Hi my name is Scarlet Hiatt. I knew my family came from Scotland but I found documentation that states John Anderson Tow came from Edinburgh Scotland and settled in Davidson NC. I have been in contact with Scotland geneology and they do not show any surname Tow during the 1700-1850. Does anyone know of a different surname that they might have had prior? I found marriage documentation that John Anderson Tow married Prissy Walser in Davidson then they later moved to VA. Eventually the spelling was changed to Towe.Any help would be appreciated.
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need to take another look
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Trying to regroup, an basically placed from now the un-group into R-M269, the program for now has seemed to line you up. Some E-35 especially, and other I- are out of group.
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click right to enlarge image in new tab Try to group, and this M(a)cTavish seem to be among the Campbell. It is felt that these are from the same region but to Anglicize the Scots Gaelic, most became Campbell one M(a)cTavish. Given the location of ‘hotspot’ for the MacTavish, and Isle of Islay, not known to be particularly being Campbell land. It is felt that this group is likely where they think they came from and that is Argyll. Islay north and Skye south, from the isles and along the coast.
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click right to enlarge in new tab mtDNA for Mark Elliott Only have one exact match. It is felt time is spent better on Y-DNA with integration of a surname census concentration and localities helps quite a bit. links; Hotspot program for UK. https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Census surname program for World; https://forebears.io/surnames/ A lot of people likely have tested with 23andME, and it gives a good autosomal distribution for your relations. Also it can produce a SNP. https://you.23andme.com/reports/paternal_haplogroup/ Mark, your paternal haplogroup is R-S16361. Paid extra to test SNP R-S16361, but 23andME had it without testing.
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Example of how to integrate Y-DNA, language, and place mapping to get family results; https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3606085?dpr=2&fit=max&h=305&w=590 Galicia, Ukraine, Births, Marriages, and Deaths, 1789-1905 Text-only collection; Name: Isak Grünspan Event Type: Marriage Marriage Year: 1868 Marriage City: Husiatyn Name: Uszer Grünspan Event Type: Death Death Year: 1892 Death City: Czortkow http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/pic%5CJ%5CE%5CJews_Map.jpg South to southeast of; Ternopil (Тернопіль) Ternopil Oblast, Ukraine. That FTDNA Y-DNA data is a great tool for the family history genealogist. Mom’s maiden name is Barna, and other than mom she went by Alma Barna Elliott. Stephen Barna is the father of mom’s dad Stephen Peter Barna. My name Mark Stephen Elliott, comes from both my grand parents, dad’s dad containing the Y-DNA, Mark (no middle name) Elliott. Was given a middle name from a family name line on his birth certificate but rejected it. Stephen Peter Barna, mom’s father does not have Y-DNA or mtDNA but shows of it in autosomal DNA, but his wife Josephine Ryan carries the mtDNA, and is of southern Ireland.
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Would anyone on here know if any of the male descendants of William McRee born 1675 in County Down, Antrim, N. Ireland and arrived in Wilmington NC in the early 1730s, have take a Y-DNA test? I am genetically a descendant of the MacRaes from Kintail, Ross-shire County, Scotland as confirmed by Big Y testing. I have analyzed the autosomal DNA of my cousins and we appear to have a tremendous amount of matches to William McRee’s descendants. They originally settled in Bladen County, NC and their descendants are spread out all over the Southern states. I also believe they are closely allied with the McMillans of Bladen, Cumberland, and Robeson Counties. One of my closest Y-DNA matches whose surname is not MacRae is a McMillan but clearly a biological MacRae as myself. One of WIlliam McRee’s sons, Robert, changed his line’s surname to McCleary and they ended up settling in Adams and York Counties, Pennsylvania. I checked on the FTDNA MacRae Project and see that no McRee or McCreary men have been tested. I am fairly positive the McRees and MacRaes are one in the same people but sure would love to have Y-DNA evidence to prove it. Thanks!
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Mark Elliott
Great granddad b.1857, Galicia, Austria, Europe, Stephen Barna, son Stephen Peter Barna, my name Mark Stephen Elliott, is likely near where your Naydock line originated.
Gerd Naydock
Mark, thanks for the response. I am Big Y tested and my terminal haplogroup is R-BY39168 which is downstream from FGC17603 if you look on the Y-Tree. So I am biologically a Kintail MacRae along with a number of my male Stewart cousins who have also tested. I suspect a non-parental event occurred somewhere between 1550 and 1650 whereas our male progenitor had a surname change. The surname Naydock was my stepfather whose family identifies as ethnically Ukrainian and I believe you are correct about Galicia being the likely place of origin for them. My maternal side is much less complicated as I have a paper trail linking them to West Prussia (modern day Poland) for the last 400 years. I’m obsessed with solving this MacRae/Stewart mystery.
Mark Elliott
It has been noted that sometimes with families of means such as the Stewart, they may for a generation have only daughters, but a large inheritance. A male such as a MacRae, which has been known to marry into the Stewart family, may have married such a daughter to receive the inheritance of that family, with the understanding of adopting the Stewart surname. The MacRae were strong supporters of a Stewart (Stuart) regaining the throne. Would be looking towards the concept of a MacRae adopting the Stewart surname.
Robert McMillan
My McMillans married and intermarried with a bunch of McRaes in North Carolina and moved into Georgia. Have several old genealogies on the early family. However I do not see you in the block tree, so I won’t be a McMillan that you match.
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https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3580122?dpr=2&fit=max&h=434&w=590 https://www.ancestry.com/search/?name=_Philips&event=_Dumbarton,Dunbarton,Scotla&birth=1720&birth_x=10-0-0&name_x=_1 https://maps.nls.uk/view/00000432#zoom=5&lat=4324&lon=3755&layers=BT https://maps.nls.uk/atlas/blaeu/gazetteer/browse/n-q.html https://named.publicprofiler.org/
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For larger image click right then open in new tab. https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/pt/PersonMatch.aspx?tid=29411142&pid=302033625728&src=m Any of above pertain? McRee, likely an American spelling from McRae.
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Hello! Because my mtdna is listed under my married name in this group, I was curious to see if there were any other Phillips’ in this group? My maiden name is Phillips but I don’t see the surname listed. I have deep family roots in Robeson County, and my ancestor James Phillips is listed on the Argyll Letter. Just curious, I have many other family names that are listed in this surname roster, but I like to focus on my maiden name when doing research.
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Harold Turner
I am branch kin to a Phillips family twice that moved to Spartanburg County, SC in the 1760’s
Lorri Saintcross
Could be an offshoot for sure, the Phillips are all over the Carolinas. My direct Phillips family stayed in Bladen/Robeson counties until my Grandfather, who was the last to be born there. Thanks for responding. 🙂
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Hope people understand that there has been historical suppression of the Gaelic Argyle peoples, and the people of North Carolina after the War Between the States, for me to get it correct, expect agreement not disagreement.
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https://forebears.io/surnames?q=McPhail https://named.publicprofiler.org/ The research is far superior then mine. May consider migration likely to be MacPhail (Catholic) to McPhail (at 1st NC Presbyterian). Information given corresponds as best I can do so far with distribution patterns. Hopefully people in group will have some name linking to what you have presented.
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I have been deep diving into McPhail…..Later changed to McPhaul more so regarding the Tory, John McPhaul and who his father was.
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Sedgwick County Kansas. https://forebears.io/x/surnames/mcpahaul Did you mean: McPhaul Your search – McPahaul – did not match any book results. Search Results Sam Mcphaul’s Phone Number, Email, Address, Public …www.spokeo.com › People › Last Name (M) Also known asSam Mcphaul, Pat A Phillips Mcphaul, Pat A Mcpahaul, Patricia A P Mcphaul, Pat A Phillips, Patricia A Chg, Patricia Mcphual. Includes Address(6) Phone(6) Email(5). See Results · Sammie Mcphual. Resides in Wichita, KS. Ancestry; RecordsCategories Newspapers.com Obituary Index, 1800s-current DEATH, BURIAL, CEMETERY & OBITUARIES Record information. Name A.J. Wilson McPahul Newspapers.com Obituary Index, 1800s-current DEATH, BURIAL, CEMETERY & OBITUARIES Record information. Name Willard W. McPahul New Mexico, World War II Records, 1941-1945 DRAFT, ENLISTMENT AND SERVICE View Image Record information. Name E E McPahul Birth 13 Jul 1910 Military Albuquerque, Catron, New Mexico, USA U.S. World War II Navy Muster Rolls, 1938-1949 DRAFT, ENLISTMENT AND SERVICE View Image Record information. Name Rex Edwin McPahul Military 1 Apr 1946 U.S. World War II Navy Muster Rolls, 1938-1949 DRAFT, ENLISTMENT AND SERVICE View Image Record information. Name Cecil B McPahul Military 29 Apr 1943 U.S. World War II Navy Muster Rolls, 1938-1949 DRAFT, ENLISTMENT AND SERVICE View Image Record information. Name Rex Edwin McPahul Military 1 Apr 1946 North Carolina, Marriage Records, 1741-2011 MARRIAGE & DIVORCE View Image Record information. Name Katie McPahul Spouse R E Byrns Birth abt 1881 Marriage 15 Feb 1899 Robeson, North Carolina, USA North Carolina, Marriage Records, 1741-2011 MARRIAGE & DIVORCE View Image Record information. Name Katie McPahul Spouse Byrns Birth abt 1881 Marriage 15 Feb 1899 Robeson, North Carolina, USA North Carolina, Marriage Index, 1741-2004 MARRIAGE & DIVORCE View Image Record information. Name Raleigh Mcpahul Spouse Odessa Mccallum Birth abt 1894 Marriage 23 Jul 1916 Lumber Bridge, Robeson, North Carolina North Carolina, Birth Indexes, 1800-2000 BIRTH, BAPTISM & CHRISTENING View Image Record information. Name Mary Ella McPhaul Mother Fannie Ann Farmer Father Jerry McPahul Birth 23 May 1933 Scotland, North Carolina U.S. Public Records Index, 1950-1993, Volume 1 CITY & AREA DIRECTORIES Record information. Name Arthur W McPahul Sr Residence 1993 Muncie, IN U.S. Public Records Index, 1950-1993, Volume 1 CITY & AREA DIRECTORIES Record information. Name Green Christine McPahul Residence 1996 Long Beach, NY U.S. Public Records Index, 1950-1993, Volume 1 CITY & AREA DIRECTORIES Record information. Name Cheryl K McPahul Residence 1989 Anderson, IN U.S. Public Records Index, 1950-1993, Volume 1 CITY & AREA DIRECTORIES Record information. Name Cassandra McPahul Residence 1992 Pleasant Grove, AL U.S. Public Records Index, 1950-1993, Volume 1 CITY & AREA DIRECTORIES Record information. Name Robert A McPahul Residence 1989 Tampa, FL U.S., Appointments of U. S. Postmasters, 1832-1971 SOCIETY & EMPLOYMENT DIRECTORIES View Image Record information. Name Neil McPahul Residence 11 Dec 1857 Whitesville, Columbus, North Carolina MacPhail form found in Argyll.
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How family members are being successful at family history; 1. The family knows best. Those which do not realize ‘The Family Knows Best’, and circumvent the family, makes a huge amount of difficulties by causing the true genealogists to correct the information back to what the family first said. 2. Listen to others, especially of the opposite sex, to make family. Though you may not think that which is coming from the opposite sex correct, the answers to what you said is reflective one and can with little skill decipher from the language, needed family information. 3. Do not in a family search, get rid of the in-laws, though you may want to. FTDNA is not a genealogical site because they are allowing administrators to kick out the in-laws. 4. Families fight, and likely not just one answer is correct, in the history. Families in their research seem to aim their research into specific region of research, giving to each other in the same family answers seemly conflicting, but so close they both come out as being correct. 5. If the family’s history is done properly one does not get to pick their ancestors. Self explanatory.
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https://www.familytreedna.com/public/clanmaclean?iframe=ycolorized 142188 McLean Daniel/Donald McLean b.c. 1760, poss. Jura, Argyll Scotland I-FT56878 Likely MacLean and Catholic on the Isle of Jura, to North Carolina as McLean Presbyterian.
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You are a 100% more likely of being correct about your family history. Things presented are to help give you another angle type of approach of finding your own family history. They are certainly not directives, but more like examples of techniques, which may help to assist in finding family.
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Gary Campbell, and McNeill of Thomas McNeill b. 1724 unknown d. 1781 Caswell N.C likely from the ‘hotspot’ pre name McNeill, name locality of MacNeill in migration to North Carolina becoming McNeill. https://named.publicprofiler.org/ The Campbell name is a much used name, from a people previously having Gaelic names.
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how to save money Mark!
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For genealogy page like this autosomal DNA is the way to go. Family Finder of FTDNA autosomal is for this group the best way to go. One can go back many generations with it; https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Rowell-Wheeler-autosomal-link.jpg For genealogy, and not being someones ‘lab rat’, all needed about 37 markers and about 3 SNP https://ggi2013.blogspot.com/2017/10/james-irvine-speaker-profile.html James M. Irvine FTDNA admin of Clan Irwin. “With a combination of diligence, intuition, peer guidance, genealogical awareness and luck rather than a sophisticated knowledge of biology or mathematics I show that 37 STR markers are often quite sufficient to identify genetic families/surname branches, and one or two SNP Panel tests can be a very cost-effective follow-up to take many testees to near the forefront of this exciting application of citizen science.” James M. Irvine. https://www.rootstech.org/video/you-can-do-dna 2019, 2020 in Salt Lake City at end of month; https://www.rootstech.org/ https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/PREVIEW-Getting-Started-in-Genetic-Genealogy.mp4?_=1 Diahan Southard; exact matches are the only ones which have relevancy for today’s mtDNA. https://www.yourdnaguide.com/about Family Finder works best after creation of a GED file tree. Ancestry seems to have blogs, but not as active as FTDNA. FTDNA has a tendency of kicking out the in-laws so to speak. Each of the Autosomal have their advantages and disadvantages, as listed by Your DNA Guide Team which says; YOU CAN DO DNA. It should be noted that FTDNA accept transfers of autosomal DNA from other companies. The ones which don’t are likely tested in first then transferred to the others. (trying to invade the Scottish Highlands, with returning family of the US southeast)
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142188 McLean Daniel/Donald McLean b.c. 1760, poss. Jura, Argyll Scotland I-FT56878 Robert Bell in Ulster Surnames, says strong relation to the Mc/Mac ‘Donald’. Forename ‘Donald’ likely related to the Donald (Mc/Mac), check Y-DNA relation. ‘Daniel’ forename for my Fermanagh line likely from McDaniel not the English Daniel.
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https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Holz,1890:H%C3%B6lz,1890:Holzer,1890:H%C3%B6lzer https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Woodard, do you have any Y-DNA matches with surnames; Hölzer or Holz?
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Some entertainment. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Boat-to-America-Scocha.mp4 Before the genealogy. http://www.capefearclans.com/ArgyllColonists.html
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https://www.yourdnaguide.com/about https://www.rootstech.org/video/you-can-do-dna https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/PREVIEW-Getting-Started-in-Genetic-Genealogy.mp4 PREVIEW: Getting Started in Genetic Genealogy May 24, 2016 Please note for; Mitochondrial DNA exact matches only.
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https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Ott https://named.publicprofiler.org/ John Henry Ott b. 15 Jun 1770, PA, d. 8 Sep 1840
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https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3471473?dpr=2&fit=max&h=385&w=590 Would consider the name Townsley. https://forebears.io/surnames/townsley
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Argyll, can ignore, my family is from; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullykelter_Castle https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/ Can be a bit overwhelming. 918911 Johnston Unknown Origin E-M35 Feel that the E-M35 is from the Kirkpatrick, of the Kirkpatrick, near Johnstone, of Annandale. Also were I figure the Irwin and variants picked it up from. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Armstrong-Elliott-Johnston-Fermanagh-surname-distribution-map.jpg Note; Johnston of Ulster, mainly County Fermanagh, second in number after surname Maguire, which county used to be named from. https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3464337?dpr=2&fit=max&h=526&w=590 Felt bad since my father’s Loren Spencer Elliott’s birthday is the day before Saint Patrick Day, a very important, a lot more so important in Armerica then that Saint Andrews Day, forgeting the Kirkpatrick, and their E-M35 Y-DNA which has seemed to spread among, Ervin, Irwin, and Irvin. Do you know what a Saint Patrick uses to drive those snakes out of Ireland. He used a crozier. Symbolizing the cane a Navajo grandma ‘shima’, in dealing with young sheep could hook the neck of a lamb with. Clan Crozier, like the Armstrong, Elliott, and Nixon, are a Scottish Middle March Clan. Yes, Saint Patrick is of the Gaelic, people of Scotland and Ireland, and some of them like the US president’s mother are known to genetically have red hair. It is said those dang Vikings maybe with that I-YDNA gave it to them. https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3436456?dpr=2&fit=max&h=357&w=590 https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3458850?dpr=2&fit=max&h=389&w=590 https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3436413?dpr=2&fit=max&h=625&w=590 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lochmaben_Castle just east of Lockerbie. https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/kirkpatrick/dna-results https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/calhoun/dna-results https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/humphrey/dna-results Johns(t)on(e) also; https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/johnson/about/background https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Kirkpatrick from region also. Clan Johnston youtube film; https://youtu.be/tgfkXZnFOqA There are a lot of things around the Irving tower at Bonshaw for Irwin and all those other feuding surnames listed with them from around the world would want to
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https://named.publicprofiler.org/ MacCorquodale north of Oban, Scotland Catholics, likely migration to North Carolina region, becoming McCorquodale, Presbyterians c.1740.
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37 markers seems like the best number, and if you want to buy an SNP at $39, just ask, can give a suggestion with reason.
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Though it likely did not happen in the above. but this scenario could happen. There has been migration from Ulster, of names which settle in the Ulster Plantation, since 1890, mainly into what was once West Germany. A model which may apply to someone in the group. Smith is a good example because many a Gaelic name became the name Smith. http://www.therjhuntercollection.com/resources/muster-rolls-c-1630/search-muster-rolls/ https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Smith,1996:Smith https://www.familytreedna.com/public/EnglandGBGroupseijNorman?iframe=yresults Model also can work for the ‘Hill’ Surname of the T-YDNA grouping. Though ‘Hill’ has a strong showing as a surname in Germany in 1890, unlike ‘Smith’. https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1996:Hill,1890:Hill https://named.publicprofiler.org/ ‘Hill’ and ‘Smith’ are found in the Gaelic region of Argyll, would easily be names which the Argyllians if exposed to may Anglicized to because of the simplicity of a single syllable.
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https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3452386?dpr=2&fit=max&h=616&w=590 https://www.rootstech.org/video/you-can-do-dna https://www.yourdnaguide.com/about Want to call then the Mormon Moms, or Moms for short. If you do not know how good they are as genealogists, let along geneticists you where not raised as a Mormon male, like I, but when utilizing the Family History Library, in Salt Lake City, Utah, you do not want to be drilled by a mom, as a family genealogist. https://elwald.com/brigham-this-is-the-place-genealogy-with-dna-applied/ Note; The Mormons because of their beliefs are top rated genealogist. Both Jame M. Irvine, and I are amateurs. The guide team also got hooked on genealogy, and like them because they are independent of corporation, and put the family and it’s history ahead of the genetics, the horse comes before the buggy, genetics-DNA is an additional tool of the genealogists. If information is passed down from the family, take that as the most correct information you can get, and as your base information, then branch of it. This information can start a tree, if it is a GED file, uploaded to a DNA site which finds DNA matches, but make sure this sprig never changes and keep it also as a separate base file, and let it grow. The biggest problem I get into is some so called ‘expert’, would try to change your base file. When it comes to family, I believe the and in the family, age, sex, intelligence does not manner. If a little girl of three identifies her mom, that is her mom, no questions asked. The material I present is just to give another way of looking at things, that is why to get more of a different view on the family needed in family research, listen first to the opposite sex. Top genealogists have noted this in finding their family. Even though a family genealogist of the family is an amateur, that usually is the best genealogist for the family. The reason for the statement ‘You can do DNA’, because if you do it for your family you are most likely to get the highest results.
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Still looking to break-up into Sub-clades unfamiliar with; 3 R1b1a1a2 R-M269,Sub-clades Any knowledge or assistance will be helpful. It was a big help last time. Will be dropping some of the smaller groupings; R-FGC and R-Z hoping can be reclassified. Trying to cut down the R-M269 grouping a bit. If anyone is in R-M269, and match family with a downstream SNP, and there is a grouping for you let me know. A sizable R-M173 Y-haplogroup R1, has been grouped.
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Wish I could afford it!
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“With a combination of diligence, intuition, peer guidance, genealogical awareness and luck rather than a sophisticated knowledge of biology or mathematics I show that 37 STR markers are often quite sufficient to identify genetic families/surname branches, and one or two SNP Panel tests can be a very cost-effective follow-up to take many testees to near the forefront of this exciting application of citizen science.” James M. Irvine https://ggi2013.blogspot.com/2017/10/james-irvine-speaker-profile.html James M. Irvine; AGREE James and I got hooked on genealogy as a hobby. As an admin. https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/irwin/about Noted a lot of people have spent a lot of money on testing, but our total of more than a century of experience comes into agree with what James M. Irvine has stated. About 37 STR markers are needed, with about one or two SNP to be able to get the applicable results for ones own family research, beyond that it is felt you are getting into studies of others. Call it the, ‘lab rat syndrome’.
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https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Scottish-research-mapping-to-US-reference-8.jpg https://forebears.io/surnames Gary Childress, Would go with Leeds, Yorkshire where the Childers/Childress are from. A lot of migration from Yorkshire to the Colonies. Note; ‘Kinder’ https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Kinder is German for ‘Childers’. As you know there is a lot of matching DNA on it, and Yorkshire ‘Leeds’ is of Danish Northumbria, and would carry the I-M253, Y-DNA.
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R1 may be near the ‘green’ on map.
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John McNeel, Though I have a map for myself how my Y-DNA traveled from P312, https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3256662?dpr=2&fit=max&h=488&w=590 need to map it so I can tell how others may have traveled. It seems like that R-U152 may have to travel by ship from Italy to get to Argyll. If anyone feels they belong in an R1b group, let me know because I want to put you in it. Error I can almost guaranteed have been made, and they need to be adjusted and corrected. If anyone else can think of groupings let me know. At a latter date same groups may be combined to their listed upstream category. Know 23andME lists SNP, and those which are R-M269, which do not have a down stream SNP listed, but know you belong in one of the above categories let me know, and I put you into that R1b grouping.
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Trying to reorganize results in the best fashion for family finding. Models may be major names like MacNeill, Campbell, and MacDonald groups. By Island Islay, Jura, Skye, Barra, by SNP I and R sub groupings. Combination. The group has many variations as one can see. Feel that R-M269 is getting to large, needs to be divided some way. Could you suggest which can be incorporated.
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John McNeel
It would be helpful to sort R1b into the major groupings: L21, DF27, U106, and U152 for starts.
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Though may be considered difference, but may fit the model being considered, it seems like each island contains a SNP grouping. It is noted may be with the above sub groupings, with plans on taking on your suggestion, may be they can if we find blocks be associated with island names instead of surnames.
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Dad did a lot of research trying to show what odd things passed down through our family history by his ancestors was incorrect. Do not recall him showing a thing which was passed down being incorrect. DNA does not begin to supersede what has been handed down as family history, but it can help you find what has not been handed down by your ancestors.
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https://forebears.io/surnames/mcelmurray (note Mcelmurray instead of Mcelmurrey) thinly in US found in southeast. Co Tyrone, also..
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Thanks , I have mention of them from Ireland before they came to SC in the 1700s.
Does anyone have information on Mc Elmurrey?
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https://www.familytreedna.com/public/R-L165Project?iframe=ycolorized PEI, Prince Edward Island, Canada, and Moore County, North Carolina just west of Fayetteville. https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3410164?dpr=2&fit=max&h=360&w=590
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Scottish DNA – Clans, Families, and Surnames (Alasdair Macdonald) Alasdair is volunteer administrator for the Scottish DNA and R-L165 Projects at Family Tree DNA. He is a tutor and member of the core team leading the postgraduate programme in Genealogical Studies at the University of Strathclyde, Glasgow. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwBY8sNBhhE Alasdair Macdonald, Though he speaks with an accent from the region and a lot of people are talking in the background, being from the region of people in this group, he sure knows his stuff on the MacDonald, MacNeill, and Buie, people your ancestors of the western Isles of Scotland. BBC – The Highland Clans – 2×6 – MacDonald.avi MacDonald https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIibyVhbGRA BBC- Clan Campbell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCKv-jwj1J8
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Find it interesting tested single SNP $39 for R-S16361 by using FTDNA Y-DNA, and tested autosomal DNA for 23andME, and it was able to independently produce the R-S16361 SNP also. Unless you cluster yourself like Edward McDonald, in a large data base, of a downstream SNP Haplagroups, and have name matches, and place localities. SNP goes back too far in time to reach most genealogical research and time of surname adoption, but at some future date it is most likely they will approach genealogical research at time of surname adoption.
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Left out northern North Carolina, Tennessee, Indiana, southern Iowa, migration path. It was from South Carolina, I was given for example.
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https://forebears.io/surnames/finch https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3406944?dpr=2&fit=max&h=571&w=590 Hope everyone a Merry Christmas.
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Never met a Finch, but I am branch kin to a few. Spartanburg thing. Merry Christmas
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DNA is a tool of the genealogists, and Y-DNA can be grouped in family groupings. Which the three groups are called, Red, Blue, and Green. The Green group is the wildlife named group of the ‘finch and elk (moose)’, which I am in. The Red and Blue group likely have different origins. An individual suggest another method of naming likely correct for his particular family group. It is found a ‘de Finch’, a name which could me from/owner of land called Finch. One group above could be from the other group above could be owners of an estate called Finch. Red group to people list Sartanburg, SC. Since two list it and it is near the east coast it is likely all of the red group are from there or near there. It is a location of Scot-Irish (Ulster). Most likley from Ireland including the Scots of Ulster Ireland, to the Carolina. Religious preference, at first likely Presbyterian. Blue group shows, Stamford, CT. Stamford of Stamford Bridge near York indicates Anglican. There is migration from Anglia to this region. It is felt that this group likely migrated directly from the Suffolk (southern people of Anglia) to Connecticut, and settled around Stamford. The above is showing a family processing of grouping. One can snatch any image from an FTDNA blog, by right clicking the ‘cut and past’ (seems to work better in Google) the image address; https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3403780?dpr=2&fit=max&h=455&w=590 https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3406929?dpr=2&fit=max&h=455&w=590
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https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Clan-Johnston.mp4 https://www.google.com/maps/place/Johnstone+Castle,+Johnstone+PA5+0SP,+UK/@55.8222602,-4.5193377,15z/ https://www.google.com/maps/place/Johnstone+Parish+Church+and+Churchyard/@55.2121562,-3.4297038,15z/ https://named.publicprofiler.org/
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Brought to my attention by Edward McDonald, shows an example of Johnston as a Gaelic-Anglicized name. Edward McDonald was able to put himself into a grouping situation R-M512, which similar matches could be obtained, with a locality the Isle of Islay.
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https://www.scottishorigenes.com/news/how-scots-irish-or-irish-scot-are-you 501172 McKay Samuel McKay b.1734 and d. 1817 Amite, MS Scotland R-M222 458097 McKay Archibald McKay d. 1829 Robeson Co., NC Scotland I-M223 And I-M223 may be interested in. Consider I-M223 & I-M253 apart of my proto-Germanic R-U106 add-mix. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/R-U106-I-M223-Germanic-PoBI-1-1024×351.jpg
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Meghan OFlaherty has a question!
“Hi Mark: I think I am already a member of this group, but I don’t see my Kit # listed in the DNA results list. My FTdna kit # is B179704. Also, I just spoke to my male cousin who is in a direct paternal line from our earliest known ancestor in North America, Donald Daniel Campbell. He is going to take the Y-DNA test, so that will give us more info. Donald Daniel Campbell was part of the Argyll Colony, he and his wife had three children in Cumberland County between 1777 and 1783 when they were forced to flee because they were Loyalists. ”
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Hopefully others will mention things needed to be done.
Meghan OFlaherty
Is anyone else here searching for Donald Daniel Campbell b. circa 1755 in Scotland, was in Cumberland County NC 1774 (or possibly earlier) – 1783, fled 1st to Jamaica, then settled in Lot 16, Prince Edward Island, Canada in 1785. He was married to Margaret (aka Mary) Fullerton. They had 7 children: Archibald, Elizabeth, Barbara, William, Mary, Donald Daniel II, and Jane.
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Meghan OFlaherty, Having a difficulty figuring out hour to get you into ‘DNA results’. It seems like those which are joining the group are getting into the ‘DNA results’ automatically when they join. May be you can drop and rejoin, or wait to see what happens with Donald Daniel Campbell, see if he joins whether his is put into ‘DNA results’ automatically. Would appreciate a response from a new joiner, telling me whether they were put into the ‘DNA results’ stats automatically. Groups I joined seemed to have me in the ‘ungrouped’ instantaneously.
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https://www.familytreedna.com/public/MacNeil?iframe=ycolorized Mainly all from Argyll, some from Scot Gaelic, north County Antrim, Ireland just across sea from Argyll, Scotland. Most migration of group to North Carolina. Pennsylvania some, and Canada would look into Nova Scotia, and any other suggestion this group may have. Name at migration to American Colony and Antrim, MacNeill Catholic leaning to America McNeill felt to drop “l” on occasion. Nova Scotia may have a tendency to retain the Gaelic, and the Catholic along with the name MacNeill, becoming “Mc-” look for Presbyterian. Note any graphic address can be obtain by hitting on picture with click on right button then copied to where ever example; https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3399654?dpr=2&fit=max&h=330&w=590 Found one from group (417225) not in above grouping, but none seem in first 25 markers to be more than 1 off.
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A17051 CTS9346 A22912 Web results I1-L813 Y-DNA Haplogroup – FamilyTreeDNA https://www.familytreedna.com/public/i-l813y-haplogroup?iframe=yresults 125, 589179, Dan McNeil, b 1777 Canada, Canada, I-A17051, 13, 23, 14, 10 ….. 1781 Scotland], Scotland, I-CTS9346, 13, 23, 14, 10, 14-15, 11, 14, 11, 12, 11, 28 …. 150, 672218, JohnMcNeilb1817Ballycastled1904Iowa, Scotland, I-A22912 … Welcome to the MacNeil surname Y-DNA … – FamilyTreeDNA https://www.familytreedna.com/public/MacNeil?iframe=yresults 589179, McNeal, Dan McNeil, b 1777 Canada, Canada, I-A17051, 13, 23, 14 … Arinafadmore Farm, North Knapdale, Argyll, Scotland, I-CTS9346, 13, 23, 14, 10 ….. 210364, McNeil, Archibald McNeill, Ireland, I-A22912, 13, 23, 14, 10, 14-15 …
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This is a grouping which looks like Argyll, or across from in Ballycastle, but Scots Gaelic also. Need more information, to began to derive rough model. Migration from North Carolina to Indiana, Illinois, Iowa. Also to Canada as Tories. Like I said to early to formulate model. https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3399564?dpr=2&fit=max&h=64&w=590
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Felt that I should show how I was able to utilize my mtDNA in my own research, which I would consider unique for most. Would take a lot of space on blog so provided link. It should be noted for mtDNA, on an exact match, it is at 50% for 5 generations, and 95% at 22 generations. For genealogy the autosomal DNA seems to be the best though it says it does not reach far back in time like Y-DNA and mtDNA, seems like I was able to get it back nine generations; https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Rowell-Wheeler-autosomal-link.jpg which should be more than ample for most genealogical research, the competition is high and the costs are lower, firms such as ancestry and MyHeritage, also lean strong on the genealogy, and have research documenting for a cost through their sites. Y-DNA is great when integrated with place name locality mapping which can find correlations with surname census concentration ‘hotspots’. It seems like FTDNA does not promote these integrating tactics. They also in the TIP calculation utilize four significant places, when at the most may two significant numbers may be obtained from the years per generation. FTDNA only utilizes one significant number at 30 years per generation in TIP calculation, without making it publicly readily available that the zero in the units place is significant. FTDNA does not utlilize proper standard of mathematics and applied measurement in TIP calculation. So far it seems that Y-DNA with matching surnames, at about 37 markers, is a good way to see relationships, but with census surname distribution correlation with identifiable place name analogies FTDNA could do much better. https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/4-Types-DNA-diagram.jpg https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3169328?dpr=2&fit=max&h=242&w=590 https://www.rootstech.org/video/you-can-do-dna https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Y-DNA-autosomal-mtDNA-300×242.jpg https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/23andME-Geni-FTDNA-mtDNA-H27a-Ryan-Murph-Smith-Croak..jpg https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Nicolaus-Copernicus-Polish-Academy-of-Arts-and-Sciences-pages-33-and-116.jpg https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/FTDNA-101829-autosomal-Y-DNA-mtDNA.png http://www.cyfronet.krakow.pl/~n1kokows/M.Kokowski-ed.-The-Nicolaus-Copernicus-grave-mystery-2015.pdf DNAeXplained – Genetic Genealogy Discovering Your Ancestors – One Gene at a Time https://dna-explained.com/2012/07/15/the-crs-and-the-rsrs/ “Mutation 16519C is present in just about everyone. In fact, in more than half of the people. So what this really means is that it’s not really a mutation in the people who carry 16519C, it really was a mutation in the anonymous person who is the Cambridge Reference Sequence. But since they did not carry 16519C, it’s reported as a mutation in the rest of us. However, it’s really the “normal” state of the DNA, or what we call the ancestral state. And it’s relatively useless when comparing your results to others because nearly everyone has it.” (Roberta J. Estes technical responder) It should be noted that the ‘family knows best’, and anyone kicking an individual out of that FTDNA blog, the blog is no longer valid for genealogical research, because even though you may want to kick the in-laws and Xs out it distorts the family tree, where improper genealogy and data results are found. Now you know what kind of problems I am into. Product of both my parents. Dad, had intellect because he listened to and believed in people, a rural sort of knowledge. Mom, had self possessed city townhouse, Troy, NY where Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute is, A New York intellect which if internalized can be destructive in a manner in creating ones one world, but we are a combination of both our mom and dad, and that brings on the autosomal DNA. Felt that one should have their own independent genealogical software, to create a GED file, from family information they can trust, then keep that basis of ones own family as a base program, and seed into the matching trees and DNA of other families. This way one can see where corrections need to be made beyond your own family, as you expand on knowledge of the family which you are from.
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Would suggest you utilize ancestry for your autosomal, if you are doing genealogical DNA, larger data base, genealogy is their base interest, and you can transfer it to FTDNA. The Mormons run it and they are excellent genealogists. Have a Family History Library FHL in Salt Lake City, Utah which I utilized, and available when working there and attending the U of UT. Dad used there stacks in the church’s office building before the built the library. There are Family History Centers FHC world wide and online https://www.familysearch.org/. Offering their church to ancestors, extending there family with in their religion, it is family which should be the reason to be interested in family history. Feel many Mormons are loosing interest in something which is apart of their church when others are getting interested in it because of the DNA being introduced. It goes for Mormons or anyone of any religion you have to be in charge of your own analysis of your on DNA becuase; YOU Can Do DNA; https://www.rootstech.org/video/you-can-do-dna these ladies know; https://www.rootstech.org/video/you-can-do-dna . The men were never mothers, and it seems moms make the best genealogists, a son should always listen to one’s mom for good advice. The last vote on women’s suffrage was from a gentleman from the state of Tennessee which listened to his mother, of course the Morman ladies already had the right to vote in Utah, Idaho, Colorado, and firstly Wyoming, after a JP of a County in Wyoming where I once lived Sweetwater, name Ester H. Mooris, a mom, saw that Wyoming about a half century before it was in the US Constitution that women Right To Vote. Also in teaching equal work equal pay. Those rough and tough cowboys are no match for those rough and tough cowgirls. U of Wyo class of 72, U of Utah of 79. There are a good number of Mormons admin these blogs, and would be very difficult to chase them off. In Family History, the Mormon ladies take a key part, and it is felt that with the men in charge of these blogs, this may be creating some difficulties. Besides their first president is a Smith and that is my mtDNA. One can not get a better Anglo-Border-Reiver name then Brigham Young, and they named a school after him except for may be Armstrong and Elliott, and those Argyll Gaelic Highlanders would take in those Armstrong, Elliott, and even those Johnston, so what does it make those Argyll Highlanders out to be? Though I can show approaches to finding your family history, I can not do it. If I do I guarantee it would be incorrect. You will find your own family history more interesting than mine which I utilize in instruction (retired school teacher), because of my familiarity with it. All have prejudices because we all lived different lives, it is a collective of those lives which makes way for democracy. Brought up Methodist by a mother raised Catholic, leanings are; “Perhaps 400 practicing Conservative Friends live in Ohio, Iowa, and North Carolina, mostly in the same rural areas we have occupied for 200 years.” http://www.quaker.us/welcome.html a cultural aspect of indigenous Americans, and Conservative Friends, and written many years ago in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania in the US Constitution, that which people of this land and the old conservative Friends (Quakers) already applied and others wanted it as a right, ‘freedom of speech’.
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https://slideplayer.com/slide/13494381/ Decided needed to post. On another blog a lady brought up her DAR awards surname related ‘Carr’, Salem Trials accuser. In genealogy family, to get it correct you for a man, even if you are not married has to realize the lady is correct. Family on dad’s side goes back before Revolutionary War. https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Rowell-Wheeler-autosomal-link.jpg We were as today’s Tory’s and Loyalist would laugh at ‘transported as slaves to the colonies’; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/SELLING-SCOTS-AS-SLAVES-IS-FUNNY-TO-THE-TORIES-2.mp4?_=1 We were transported to the Colonies, fight on the side of the crown, and Charles II, Royalist Anglican family of Alexander Hamilton transported to Nevis Islands, west Indies which has a Charlestown, on it. There also is a Charleston, Massachusetts, and a Charleston, South Carolina, named for Charles II, who became the king after Cromwell. The people of Ireland, and I myself look at Cromwell as being more of a dictator, but people of the United Kingdom, a process which exile my many great which went onto Ireland, and genocide border families which many Americans are. Saint Patrick is the saint of the Scottish and Irish Gaelic speakers. The Kirkpatrick, of Scotland, where it is Scottish for ‘the church of Saint Patrick’. My relatives showed at least 80 years before the next wave of Argyll Gaelic speakers arriving in North Carolina. These people were also loyal to the crown. A lady within this group brought forth the concept that some of her relatives, moved onto the West Indies at the time of the Revolutionary War. These are your Catholic becoming Protestant Church of Scotland, Presbyterians. Mine were Anglican Episcopalian Methodist, on the side of the Irish. People have been telling me the Methodist and Presbyterian are similar, but if you want to find family they are the ones you have a tendency you fight with. The Elliott are from Mt. Ayr, Iowa (Ayr after Robert Burns homeland), just north of the Missouri, line, with many ancestors not Elliott from the southern states. Dad had difficulty with the concept of the Loyalist being driven out. It did make America separated from the United States, but beginning to think today some of the ones which were driven out may be brought back. My wife is from East Tennessee, and her dad was from Canada. So may be some of the ones which went to Canada did come back. Hope you’l understand it is difficult and many like to go the other way to try to get the genealogy correct. This one is for dad, and the ladies.
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Turners, the Gaelic Scots took you in; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Scottish-Clans-12-18-Clan-ArmstrongCoBishops-Curse.mp4 http://www.bbc.co.uk/cumbria/features/2003/07/restoration/the_curse.shtml https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/ballads-of-the-Border-Reivers..mp4
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Harold Turner
I am related to quite a few surnames on that floor.
Mark Elliott
Hope the native Argyll Highlanders realize it, if one of those floor names match their Y-DNA, then someone of that name from the borders likely seeded it into that area of Argyll, and at the time of surname adoption they took that name. It is not NPE. Johnston is one of those names of County Fermanagh, found in the Argyll islands, which had Argyllian Y-DNA, obviously it was not NPE, but likely a surname seeded there which was adopted because of it’s Anglicized linguistic nature.
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The Indigenous Gaelic speakers took The Borderers in then when the Gaelic names were Anglicized some took the names of The Borderers.
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R-L165 FTDNA https://www.familytreedna.com/public/R-L165Project?iframe=ycolorized Upper R-L165>BY129>BY5109>Y5135>Y5108>BY3269>A10683 Lower R-L165>BY129>BY5109>Y5135>Y5108>BY3269>A10683>A11118 Variants for McNeil are shown, though did see another spelling within this group as I recall with an ‘a’ in it. McNeel, is in the group, finding likely from Kisimul Castle, Barra, Isle of Barra, Scotland, UK, in Castle Bay. Seems to have a few more mutations, and name differentiation. Though it may have influence the mutations, there is not enough information to claim island separation as cause. As far as the genealogy is concerned it is still definitely Isle of Barra region, which it does not alter. Showing this because Y-DNA is not rocket science. One can see that both the upper and bottom grouping within the group are related. There does not seem to be that much difference in the modes of the two groups. If one was in the upper group the may besides A10683 SNP testing if that came out positive also consider testing A11118. The A11118 is so far down stream that the result whether positive or negative still says that the groups are of Barra. It seems from this example, people of these islands, ancestors as in example above, could easily lived on these islands many years. It is felt that the migration is from and not two. Which helps this group realize, if they are matching clusters of a given island they that is most likely where they are from. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Barra+Island/@56.9666659,-7.4920881,15z/
S F McNeil
My name is Mari. I’m administrator for a cousin’s kit, SF McNeil. I have to admit that we are not descendants of the Argyll Colony, but about 2/3 of our matches are. Our MCRA is Richard McNeil, who was born in Antrim county Ireland in the 1760s. Richard went to the Isle of Man at some point, where he married, had a large family, and died in 1848. I have been unable to find any record at all of Richard in Ireland. Only through YDNA did we discover that he descended from the Argyllshire, Scotland McNeils. (Haplogroup I1 M-253) I have done a lot of research and study of the Scottish origins, as well as tracing many of our matches’ North Carolina lines back into Scotland to try to discover where Richard may have fit into the family. If anyone has any information that might shed some light, I would certainly appreciate it! In return I am more than willing to share any info that might help with your own family history.
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Though for many Border families, found Ulster to be a stepping stone to the American Colonies, the model seems to differ for those from Argyll. It seems to be direct to the American Colonies, also direct to Ulster, but not so much as being used as a stepping stone to the American Colonies. Your example of them going to Antrim then to the Isle of Man, would seem to be a likely course for I-M253 ‘Viking’ Y-DNA. Note; Ballycastle, UK https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ballycastle,+UK/@54.7328497,-6.8289552,8.58z/ Locality which shows up with in the group, would be likely stopping place from Argyll in County Antrim for Isle of Man. https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3291879?dpr=2&fit=max&h=546&w=590 The I localities may help.
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https://www.familytreedna.com/public/courtney?iframe=yresults https://named.publicprofiler.org/ With the group, not based on surnames, of SNP, difficult within group to find match-ups. Though it is felt in this group of the; I1: M253 > L22 > Y13039 > A17051 https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ballycastle,+UK/@54.6576507,-6.8467567,7.5z/ Ballycastle, Antrim, Ulster, Ireland, just north is Argyll, across sea. https://forebears.io/surnames/courtney 1901 Place Incidence Antrim 296 Armagh 122 Down 118 Tyrone 44 Fermanagh 27 Coloration helps, but also shows not many matches, so you might want to enter an SNP, and/or surname group, if had not already besides this one. So info obtained can be applied to this group. Courtney, like Elliot/Elliott have borderer distribution.
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“With a combination of diligence, intuition, peer guidance, genealogical awareness and luck rather than a sophisticated knowledge of biology or mathematics I show that 37 STR markers are often quite sufficient to identify genetic families/surname branches, and one or two SNP Panel tests can be a very cost-effective follow-up to take many testees to near the forefront of this exciting application of citizen science.” https://ggi2013.blogspot.com/2017/10/james-irvine-speaker-profile.html James M. Irvine, and I would also like to confirm his statement; “37 STR markers are often quite sufficient to identify genetic families/surname branches,”
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Joshua Childress
I’ve seen a lot of posts here discussing the change from “Mac” to “Mc” in surnames. Some of my maternal ancestors were McPhatters in Robeson County. Some research into that surname shows they may have come from Argyll. John McPhatter was born around 1750 in Scotland (unknown where). His wife, Mary Smith?, was also born in an unknown area of Scotland. Both died in Robeson County, North Carolina. Is there any links with the Argyll Colony and the McPhatter sept?
Robert McMillan
My McMillans married some Smiths from Robeson County. I stopped by the cemetery in Wakulla. Took pictures of the Smith and McPhatter graves there.
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Another map, does show Scots.
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Will Turner
Yep just about right for me , mostly English with a dash of Scots -Irish and a smidge of German and Swiss.
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https://books.google.com/books?id=wa03AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA320&dq=Archibald+MacMillan+1st+of+Dunmore&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwienLL8pNnkAhXFo54KHQ37C80Q6AEwAHoECAAQAg#v=onepage&q&f=false https://www.familytreedna.com/public/MacMillan?iframe=ycolorized Guess what you are related to Archibald MacMillan. ‘1st of Dunmore’ is just a title, he is of Argyll, therefore likely from Islay-Jura, which most the NC Argyll seem to be from. U106>Z381>Z156>S5520>M7033>FGC11662>FGC11674 Since FGC11674 is downstream from Z156, you may want to purchase, FGC11674, and can almost guarantee it will come out positive, and FTDNA will reclassify you as FGC11674. Know they try to sell a Big-Y where they get a number of negatives in testing, but I do not work for them.
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Robert McMillan
Thanks, I am kit 35043. My sample actually ‘discovered’ FGC 11674, along with FGC 11650 something through FGC 1170something at Full Genomes back several years ago. I recently ordered the Big Y 700 for comparison purposes. It seems that FTDNAs block tree offers comparisons that are not available through FGC (I just have a lot of pages of data from them).
Mark Elliott
James M. Irvine is a person that knows his genealogy and does excellent with the Clan Irwin FTDNA surname project. Helps shows the type of chart Robert McMillan, is talking about in his Big-Y, but James M. Irvine was able to develop it on his own. He is from Scotland, the borders of; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMcBkz79wQM&t=1349s A Scots-Irish case study: the Irwin DNA Project (James Irvine) 8,502 views•Dec 12, 2015
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McMillan Archibald McMillan, b. 1745 (mar. Margaret Murphy) Scotland Off the coast from Glasgow, is probable to the Argyll Colony (singe ‘l’ is correct spelling) of NC. It seems like the R-U106 subclave R-Z156 is most likely to travel through the island than around it, so if marriage to a Murphy took place in Scotland, and migrated to the Argyll Colony of NC, then it would seem to be most likely off the coast from Glasgow.
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Robert McMillan
Thanks, my McMillans and Murphys came from Kintyre, Argyle, Scotland
Mark Elliott
Between the Mac of Isle Islay and the Mc & Murphy of near Glasgow, a likely place for them to be from.
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Came across the Mac/McManus, felt they may have came down from Argyll to Belfast, then onto County Farmanagh, in Ulster.
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Published online about my DNA; https://elwald.com/brigham-this-is-the-place-genealogy-with-dna-applied/ maybe some of the tactics and techniques can help people in this group to find their families also.
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Messer, found in 1715 NC, and Harnett, and Johnston Co, later. Also matches seem to appear in South Carolina and Georgia.
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N110704 Newell James Newell Unknown Origin R-L21 c1630 Ulster Muster John Newell Lord Crumwell Down Patrick Newell Lord Crumwell Down a stab in the dark
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Basically the I and R surrounding Argyll. Maybe those ‘I’ vikings on the outskirts are raiding the ‘R’ villagers. Don’t mine me, try to figure out distribution patterns.
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Know I have one below, likely the location the Mc/MacLellan are from, and most or a good part the Argyllians which migrated to the North Carolina Argyll came from. If people find in this group their ancestors came from here your are probably correct. Though they migrated from elsewhere in Argyll, and west Scotland, this is showing what seems so far the most likely spot for the migration to be from.
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Turners, Since there is migration from the Argyll to NC, There are Turners, not of Gaelic origins, but of similar origins as I have moving in with the Gaelics, and likely did migrate with them from Argyll to North Carolina. This does allow for a difference in Turner Y-DNA.
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Harold Turner
Mine landed in Maryland, but I believe them to be from that area of Scotland.
Mark Elliott
Since the Y-DNA sample size is same, you and others, I certainly have, may want to out of curiosity if you have not already, check in match search for Mc..or Mac… beginnings, and check surname census locality, https://named.publicprofiler.org/, may indicate relative, if of same region. Names can go both ways towards or away from the Gaelic. It is felt my family being early Ulster Plantation began to lean Gaelic at first until more border Ellot moved into region. The family name Daniel, for Dan a nickname for Andrew, which was adopted at the time, likely influenced by the McDaniel, of the area.
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595275 Clark Alexander Clark, b. 1650 and d. 1690 Scotland J-M172 If you are not already would suggest because of the sizable amounts of J-M172 ‘Ancient Roman’ in Clans Montgomery and Scott to joined their sites, especially in your match comparison for Scott and/and or Montgomery if they are producing matches; https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Montgomery?iframe=yresults https://www.familytreedna.com/public/ScottDNAproject?iframe=yresults
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Joshua Childress, McPhatter NC, Mcfayter, Cambletown, Argyll, Scotland. Daniel, may have preference, in NC to Donald of Argyll, keeping a similar concept. McFatter is Scottish, and McPhatter is NC. Wonder why the English speaking would prefer ‘Phatter’, over the Gaelic ‘Fatter’? “MACPHATER, Macpeeters, Macfater: Gaelic Mac Pheadatr for earlier Mac Gille Pheadair, ‘son of (S. ) Peter’s gillie. ‘ The name of an old Argyllshire family. Gillipetair mac Donnchaidh is a witness in the Book of Deer. Thomas Moir McGillifedder is in record in 1607 (RPC. ), and Duncan M’Fater appears in Deochaig, parish of Kilblaan, 1694 (Argyll Inv. ). McIllepheder and McIllephedrin 1704, McIllephedder 1706. The name is probably sometimes Anglicized Peters. See also Malpeter.” — The Surnames of Scotland (1946) by George Fraser Black (1866-1948) https://forebears.io/surnames/mcfatter#meaning https://forebears.io/surnames/mcfatter (use 1881 census it gives Argyll)
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Have a number of Smith, Wolfe Smith Petter Schmidt (Smidt, Smitt), b. 1667 and d. 1720 Germany Smith Kenneth Maciver 1680-1750 • Isle of Skye, Scotland Scotland Smith Charles Smith b1856 Sussex,d.1907 West. Australia England Smith William Smith, b. abt 1770, Scotland Scotland Smith morgan t.lipps Germany Hall Smith Unknown Origin Smith William H. Smith, b. abt. 1811 in SC Unknown Origin Smith Unknown Origin R-M269 Smith is extremely common name, need to have names which you are associated with. Need to have names with near matching DNA. Plus your Y-DNA, this will help to start isolating name. It is felt from Germany to East Anglican England, county Lancashire, England to Belfast, Ireland region, also towards Aberdeen. Because of the commonality of surname Smith could utilize some associated surnames.
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Tentative Model; Basically, it seems like the Gaelic Argyll Scots, are taking in some border Scots. These “seed” names seem to be adopted by the Gaelic, in the process of Anglicization of the names to create somewhat of a spectrum of non-NPE names on these Argyllian islands, so the names can have individuality. The Argyllians seem to be migrating directly from Argyll to North Carolina, and Ulster, Northern Ireland, whereas the Scottish-English borderers are using Ulster as a stepping stone to America. Giving both groups impact on Ulster, but the North Carolina Argyllians came directly from Argyll, and the Scots-English borderers, came to America from Ulster.
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Mark Elliott
Still trying to ascertain model; 1650 Gaelic Irish, and Scots Royalist fought against Cromwell. The Scots Royalists for Charles II, as in Charleston, MA, Charleston, SC, and Charlestown, Nevis Island of Alexander Hamilton. The Hamilton, and Charles II Anglican-Episcopalian then a lot of them became Methodists. 1740 Argyll migration of Gaelic Scot. Suppose there is a dialectal difference between the Gaelic Irish and Scot. Note, Gaelic Scot found in County Antrim, Ireland where the Ulster Scot is spoken today. Similar to the dialectal difference between the Scots and English languages. The Mac- (likely Catholic) became Mc- (likely Presbyterian). Argyll Colony migrants spoke Gaelic Scots, like Donald Trump’s mother. In 1650 the Royalists were loyal to Charles II, in 1740 the Argyll Gaelic Scots were loyal to the crown also, but in 1776, a separation occurred in the Argyll Colony, those Loyalist moved out of the new nation of the United States, onto lands still under The Crown, like the West Indies, or Nova Scotia. So this caused separations of families within the Argyll Colony.
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“Yes, I have been researching these names because J McLellan’s mother was a Lowery and it is our brick wall. He has matches to Locklear, Lowery, Chavis and Oxendine. I wish I knew how we were related. The search continues!” Likely your Scots relatives were in the region of the Lumbee, given names of counties such as Scotland and Cumberland. If you find Scottish names of your family line which are of the region, then you I feel will be likely close to finding your answer.
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James McLellan
Thank you, our Scots were in Robeson and Cumberland, we do have one line from Granville, NC.
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“J McLellan is my uncle. Other surnames from Argyll Scotland to NC in our direct line are Stewart, Graham, McGugan/McGoogan, MacDougall, McGuirman, Thompson, McCormick, Munn and McLeod.” Definitely, a grouping of Argyll. Indications any were from Isle Skye to Isle Islay. Names such as Graham and Thompson, are Border Reiver names which I have been finding can at one time been a Gaelic, name then Anglicized into a Border Scots surname, because of similarity to the Scottish-English, a language I am finding the Scots Gaelic are adopting. (still in learning stage, from input from you and others of group)
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James McLellan
Yes, I have been researching these names because J McLellan’s mother was a Lowery and it is our brick wall. He has matches to Locklear, Lowery, Chavis and Oxendine. I wish I knew how we were related. The search continues!
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J McLellan https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Near Campbell. R1b-P310 > U106 > Z2265 > BY30097 > Z381 > Z156 > S5520 > FGC11662 > FGC11672 > FGC11674 > Y76631 307018 Campbell John Mallory Campbell, B; 1792 Scotland R-Y76631 14 25 14 10 11-14 12 12 12 13 13 29 19 9-10 11 11 25 15 20 30 https://www.familytreedna.com/public/AlabamaFeverDNAProject?iframe=yresults McLellan have census surname distribution showing high likelihood of migrating from Argyll to NC. There are a great proportion of Campbell in group also.
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James McLellan
J McLellan is my uncle. Other surnames from Argyll Scotland to NC in our direct line are Stewart, Graham, McGugan/McGoogan, MacDougall, McGuirman, Thompson, McCormick, Munn and McLeod.
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https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Scottish-research-mapping-to-US-reference-8.jpg Above is from Family History Center, Church of Latter Day Saints, Mesa, Arizona.
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December 31 @ 12:44pm https://peopleofthebritishisles.web.ox.ac.uk/population-genetics https://www.libraryireland.com/gregg/gregg-volume.pdf It should be noted that the Argyll is Gaelic, and Armstrong and Elliott are Border Scot. Above a repeat from last year. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/SELLING-SCOTS-AS-SLAVES-IS-FUNNY-TO-THE-TORIES-2.mp4?_=1 It is likely that my relatives ended up in the Colony of Massachusetts, instead of the West Indies because they were not Gaelic speakers, but spoke English-Scots. It should be noted that Alexander Hamilton’s family ended up on Nevis Island in the West Indies, which has a Charlestown on it, showing that they like my family which fought on the side of the Hamilton also fought for Charles II. The Argyllians in 1740 were Loyalists, and had to make the decision to remain Loyalist or leave the new nation of the USA, or to stay with it. This would be a difficult decision for a Loyalist Gaelic family to do. In doing your genealogy, all families hit on difficult times. Like with mine the Salem Witch Trials, just have to research through it. Note the ones which give you the most difficult time during a genealogical period are likely the ones which can give you the greatest amount of genealogical knowledge to research through that difficult era of time.
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50790 Hill John M Hill , b1819 Darlington SC England T-M70 Note; Nixon is an NPE, may have happened in north England, considering the number of mutations. Nixon are of the Scottish Middle March family of Armstong, Elliot, Nixon , and Crozier, where the Liddesdale Nixon lived among the Elliot. It is likely the family stemmed from southern North Carolina, into South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, and Tennessee. The name likely evolved from the Latin into the Germanic T-M70 would be Roman DNA. Hill is of Germanic to Old English origins. https://nvk.entless.org/mapbox/1890:hill https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_T_Y-DNA.shtml https://www.familytreedna.com/puhttps://www.familytreedna.com/public/hill?https://www.familytreedna.com/public/hill?iframe=ycolorized https://forebears.io/surnames/hill http://named.publicprofiler.org/
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787428 Huitt Randall I Huet, b. 1607 and d. 2 Nov 1669 United Kingdom. Anglo name, whether Huitt, Huet, but if finding Hewitt could be Anglicized from a Gaelic name. Likely in UK; Huet, Danish Anglia (Suffolk), to Danish Northumberia (East Riding, Yorkshire). In Argyll feel that some may have been Anglicize, for this to happen an introduced Huitt seed would be needed. Hewitt name migration most likely from Argyll to NC, and to Antrim, Ulster. added 6-18-2019 Hewitt, in the name found in the Cape Fear River, region of North Carolina, where the Argyll Colony settled.
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595275 Clark Alexander Clark, b. 1650 and d. 1690 Scotland J-M172 https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Montgomery?iframe=yresults A lot of Montgomery have J-M172 (Ancient Roman), and are found in Scotland. Noting you are searching other groups. Check matches on “m-” for (M-/Mc-/Mac-).
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McNeil and Campbell, group is large. Indicative of Gaelic names evolving and merging into. Giving a place of migration more towards the west from the Isles of Argyll. Look for departures of recognizable names of your family and Y-DNA surname matches on ships out of Greenock, near Glasgow. Reference the Highland Scots of North Carolina 1732-1776 page 86 and http://named.publicprofiler.org/
Mr. McNeal
I am doing a genealogical tour of Scotland now! Colonsay, Oronsay, Islay, Gigha and the Kintyre Penninsula. The local people are very kind and helpful. Scotland and the Hebrides are amazing. I highly recommend anyone in this group to take a look. The Youth Hostels have tons of knowledge and guidance!
John McNeel
Has anyone encountered R1b-DF27-L165-A11118 MacNeils from Argyll or the American Argyll Colony?
Mark Elliott
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/oneill?iframe=yresults Reference you likely already check, but in case you have not. See you are in FTDNA MacNeil already.
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http://named.publicprofiler.org/ N234114 McDuffie and B172456 McDuffie, The two McDuffie, find you are likely not Y-DNA related, but feel you are related from where you came. MacDuffie, is said to be a sept Robert Bell, Ulster surnames of the MacFie, and feel that migration to the North Carolina Argyll Colony has shown to take place in region the surname MacFie is concentrated, so for two McDuf-fie to be in group indicates migration to NC Argyll Colony, likely from the region of MacFie.
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Isle of Skye migration region for McTavish, and maybe William Campbell of Alabama with similar Y-DNA.
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http://named.publicprofiler.org/ MacGill, Argyll to McGill likely Presbyterian of Argyll, Colony, NC.
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Hill T-M70, seem to be related, likely out of NC to SC, Georgia, TN. Hill FTDNA, shows indication of Brunswick County at most. More research needed to show surname concentration population region. Likely not Presbyterian, maybe Episcopalian, English, then Baptist or Methodist. It would help to know the religion.
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MacRory Need to join, https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-1b-l1335/dna-results A lot of your Y16252 appears from Scotland. Need to know where in US, and if Presbyterian in family line. DNA matching Scotland but surname MacRory, leans Northern Ireland – Ulster. Need to compare in this group. Seems to be near match to McLaurin, which is in this group also.
“have several people with different surnames, but have in my family the same surnames Hall R-M-198 Elliott R-M198- Carroll Allen Asbill R-M198-Rlala tested with FTDNA, the first two are 37 marker tested. What would be my relationship with them. Thanks Edward ”
James Johnston
Thanks, thought that was what happened, the Johnston’s and Elliott’s were pretty close in Scotland.
Mark Elliott
https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Armstrong-Elliott-Johnston-Fermanagh-surname-distribution-map.jpg Also Ulster, but the surnames where already adopted by then. https://gorrenberry.com/armstrong-elliot-crozier-nixon-johnson-graham-ulster-scot/ If your of the North Carolina Colony then your Johnston Heritage, like Armstrong, and Colony relation to Elliot would most likely be of Presbyterian, Co Antrim and Down, not Anglican Episcopalian Co Fermanagh, and Armagh, of Ulster Scotland. Kind of shows a difference between those Episcopalian-Methodists of Armagh-Fermanagh, of my family line, and those Presbyterian Elliott, of Co Antrim Down, with the Gaelic Highland Scots of the North Carolina Argyll Colony.
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note; have now found surname Johnston Anglicize from Gaelic, March 15 @ 11:36pm posting, in region of migration from to Argyll Colony, NC.
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Clark Alexander Clark, b. 1650 and d. 1690 Scotland J-M172 Check matches to surnames Montgomery, and Graham. J-M172 is Ancient Roman. Clark is Scottish as you know for the English Clerk.
FTDNA Greenspan – Elwald
Daniel Elliot (1637–1704) • FamilySearch
A Hawick Word Book by Douglas Scott – The Douglas Archives (ning.com)
The Argyll Colony Plus
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https://theargyllcolonyplus.org/history/
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/490667
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/1012569
http://capefearclans.com/JohnMcPherson2.html
http://www.ralstongenealogy.com/number15kintmag.htm#start