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Jonathan Elliott, III – DNA Markers: R-S16361 R-M269 Geni Discussions
Clan Elliot – de.Wikipedia.org Germany
Steel Bonnets In Debatatable Lands with George Macdonald Fraser and Eric Robson
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/yorkshire/activity-feed https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Kilian,1890:Killian https://forebears.io/surnames/killian Steven Bailey, “The main place that you will see matches with many different surnames is the Y-DNA12 Marker Matches section. The time to a common ancestor for these matches may extend beyond genealogical records and the adoption of surnames.” https://learn.familytreedna.com/user-guide/y-dna-myftdna/y-matches-page/ https://www.peopleofthebritishisles.org/population-genetics Genetic Ancestry and the People of the British Isles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8k9LMaFeRM Apr 27, 2018 Early Yorkshire Charters: Being a Collection of Documents …books.google.com › books William Farrer – 1915 FOUND INSIDE – PAGE XXIII The same confirms to Crispin de Branham certain land . 1175 – 90 . . . . . . . . . . 1026 . Nigel Fossard to Peter the clerkland in Bramham . 1175 – 90 346 1027 . Peter the clerk to William de Langewait — his lay fee in Bramham . 1175 – 95 . https://www.google.com/maps/search/Branham,+Yorkshire,+UK/@53.8566443,-1.4870262,10.83z?hl=en&authuser=0
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Mark Elliott
“A previous posting said, “The closest DNA matches to date are at genetic distance 3, so fairly removed. ” In how many markers, 12, 25, or 37 ? If it is 37 markers it is significant, and would like to know the surname match. Do you have any exact matches at 25, or multiple matches with the same surname including variants at 12?” I ask of what significance are the lower level matches? In my case I have a lot of Ross and Masseys at 12 and Hilton and Helton at 67. My Father-in-Law, a Bramham from Bradford, has numerous Killian, Killion and Kilians at the 12 level which is suggesting to me Palatine ancestry. Any thoughts? ” In specific accordance to FTDNA, at 29 years, and it is my understanding that that FTDNA uses a measurement of 30 years/generation. Without specifying the the units number being significant, this in accordance to proper standard math practices, makes it 30±5 years. When they get an outcome from TIP calculation from entering a measurement of one significant digit and output four significant digits this shows the level mathematical knowledge which is utilized by FTDNA. This is information I am passing from them so take it or leave it. “The main place that you will see matches with many different surnames is the Y-DNA12 Marker Matches section. The time to a common ancestor for these matches may extend beyond genealogical records and the adoption of surnames.” https://learn.familytreedna.com/user-guide/y-dna-myftdna/y-matches-page/ https://www.familytreedna.com/faq-markers.aspx So at about the time of surname adoption in accordance to FTDNA, which in this region would be close to 29 generations, the exact matches for 12, 25, and 37 rank the same. The surname Bramham, and Branford are of place names since in Yorkshire the ending “-ford” refers to a shadow river crossing, and the ending “-ham”, refers to as home. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Bradford,+UK/@53.7442723,-2.0864386,8.15z/ https://www.google.com/maps/place/Bramham,+Wetherby,+UK/@53.2545967,-2.7113086,7.62z/ As one can seen Bradford and Bramham of Yorkshire are not far from each other. As you state Kilian, and Killian are of Germany; https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Killian,1890:Kilian But it is also Irish, and the Irish have been known to Anglicized their names from the Gaelic. Have you compared your DNA with https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/killian-killion/dna-results to determine whether it is German or Irish?
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Hi, Thanks. I joined the Killian group. A number of the matches are from the Carolinas and of German descent. As for Ireland, yes there was a Saint Killian but also there were also a number of Poor Palatines who were located there. And some were accepted in Yorkshire. Please see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Palatines. So, of what value are numerous zero distance surname 12 level matches? What does it mean?
Mark Elliott
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click right to enlarge in new tab Armstrong, Elliot, Nixon, and Crozier of the Scottish Middle March, were exiled by protestant James VI of Scotland, who was taken from his Catholic mom, Marie Stuart, Queen of Scots. Who the protestant cousin the first Queen Elizabeth had beheaded, and when she died James VI of Scotland became James I of England also. So it was move and be exiled to basically County Fermanagh, or be exterminated. This happened by king James of now Scotland and England after Elizabeth died in 1603, by the army of the English. The Mechanics are basically the same, but to be family history the results for each family is different, that is what makes family history fun when doing ones own family is finding out about your particular family, and therefore getting to know ones self better. Elliott (personal prejudice) then Armstrong, with the Middle March families Scottish side, of Nixon and Crozier included; The process of finding family, is like having a black colt, and a corral full of horses, and looking for the colt’s mother. So in the corral you first clear out all those horses which Y-DNA, the stallions. The the old mares, because they are to old to have a young colt. Then the mares which are not black. The colt is a Shetland. So you clear out all those which are not Shetland, and then the ones which are not black, and left with two young black Shetland mares, but can not tell which one it the colt’s mother. Then you put family into the coral. Release the colt, and then the colt finds it’s mother. In genealogy, genetics can divide out family. My mother does not carry Y-DNA, blue eyed, and dad also, so I am likely blue eyed. With Y-DNA line Anglo-European, likely to share same surname. Brought up a Methodist, by a mother raised Catholic. The Methodist are on my Y-DNA side, so if Jews became Christians, the Christian Catholics, became Anglican then Episcopalian, then Methodist, overseas what would my family’s likely faith be. Likely be in a region of Methodist-Episcopalians-Anglicans, and may be normally Catholic. https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/ Family is living with Armstrong where they were exiled to Ireland, and the EU/Brexit border raps around us. But since I am born into as a Y-DNA male, blond haired blue eyed like chief Margaret, but hair a little darker, been our tribal Elliot 29th chief for over thirty years, and was doing genealogy when her father Sir Arthur was the 28th chief and of Redheugh, a fortress outpost the Ellot (Scot’s spelling without the French ‘i’). To not be ‘prejudice’, must be anti-WASP. Can’t help whether I was born that way. Armstrong, which guarded the border lands, and the Elliot which soldiered the Hermitage castle to kept the kingdoms of England and Scotland separate, the army of Scotland. Today’s Scottish Ministry have in their plans to build a Windy Edge Wind farm next to the Hermitage Castle the castle north of Redheugh which my ancestors soldiered over five hundred years ago. If Natives of American complain about a pipeline going through their land in American, Anglo Europeans are the first to indicate they are not prejudice. If I mention there is plans for a Windy Edge wind farm being built next to The Hermitage Castle which my Elliott Clan and 29th chief Margaret of Redheugh, https://elwald.com/clan-elliot-29th-chief-margaret-eliott-of-redhuegh-stobs/ (sure she thinks of me as some sort of wild west US ‘vagabond’) one is not prejudice if they do not defend my family’s indigenous lands, when defending indigenous lands of people of America. Race in genetics is not black or white. A black man can carry similar Y-DNA as myself. Racism is when you defend indigenous lands, of Native Americans, then genocide indigenous lands of my race, of people which lived between the kingdoms, and made for America a self governing nation of free speech and religious freedoms, not one which I am being silenced by admins, and a non US company FTDNA which allows that, because the constitution of my nation’s state no matter what color of skin you have, though you may have the basically the same gene, and a black-white marriage is not genetically an inter-racial marriage. Even if you are born white and your indigenous lands are overseas, one has the right to defend them as their ancestors did over five hundred years ago, even though they may have and can not help it being born a WASP male. – Wha Daur Meddle Wi’ Me? http://www.rampantscotland.com/poetry/blpoems_daur.htm The Middle March Clan of the Scottish side of the border, the Armstrong, Elliot, Nixon and Crozier we stick together, do not care much what the others may say, we just pitch-in and feel the best will come of it. Over a half century ago, we were talking about peace on earth, and it was an Armstrong not on earth but on the moon which was talking to a Nixon on earth. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/President-Nixon-speaking-with-astronauts-Armstrong-and-Aldrin-on-the-Moon.mp4 The Elwald to become Ellot, acquired the lands of Redheugh and Larriston, in the fifteenth century; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sasine_deed_1484_for_Robert_Elwald_%28Elliot%29,_Redheugh,_Larriston,_Hartsgarth.jpg Heart of ‘Angus’ which passed the lands to Robert Elwald X, is on the right of Sir James Douglas carred but died in process the heart of Robert the Bruce; https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Heart-of-Douglas.jpg Like
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Mark, As stated in my opening post on June 2, “I would ask that all posts be relevant to the interests of the group as a whole, and tie in to DNA and/or family genealogy of those with Yorkshire roots.” The above posting is both inappropriate and unrelated to our purpose. Please remove your most recent posting. We reserve the right to delete inappropriate material, without notice. Thanks for your cooperation.
Mark Elliott
Scarborough, and N&S Cave place names which my first twelve markers match are of East Riding Yorkshire. A Cromwellian War tax was charge to William Elwald of Cottingham, East Riding, Yorkshire, may family was transported as Royalist ‘slaves’, as today’s UK Parliament states after being banish from both kingdoms. My Y-DNA is of the Elwald of Yorkshire. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/SELLING-SCOTS-AS-SLAVES-IS-FUNNY-TO-THE-TORIES-2.mp4 Can silence people like Harvard did for witches, or adjust the family history to match the DNA science. The Elwald of Cottingham, tided into the Cave-Wake of the area have the same Anglican Royalist value set as my forefather, and that is why we were silenced by and now laugh at by the government of genocide with united and exiled and exterminated border Armstrong and Elliott, which fought for Charles II, and were as today’s UK’s Tories which my patriotic ancestors strung up. Transported or Cromwellian Taxed with estates usurped from them in Yorkshire. Charles II did become king and the Duke of Buccleuch, and Prince Williams are his descendants. The UK and FTDNA may not have freedom of speech, but I descended from ancestor which separate from UK, and nation was built of those premises. Choice is it the science of Hitler’s Superior Race, witch hanging Harvard grads insuring that they are believed to be at the top of the ‘status quo’, of the science of sharing as with all science, genetics and genealogy. The above most definitely applies to Yorkshire, scientific DNA, genetics, and shared genealogy. It does not apply to them when free speech is excluded, only witch hanging conformed ‘status quo’, Harvard style of silencing for science which produces a not a society of equality and correcting the information silenced, but insuring it’s silence by making sure it is not be incorporated. This silencing will be a demonstration that FTDNA is truly not a US firm. Yes the above definitely deals with my DNA, family history, and the science of distribution and numerical modeling. If exclude FTDNA does not support these values.
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Javalit (liti) Kitiyakara has a question!“Are there any clues as to surnames or DNA prevalence in various parts of Yorkshire? For instance, my recent Yorkshire ancestors lived in Hull, but prior to the 19th century I have ancestors in a number of small towns and villages further inland. My other question is about the the Photo section of the group. What sort of photographs can be uploaded? I would love to see old pictures of members’ ancestral homes or the parts of Yorkshire from which their family originated. ”
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Lee Bennett
For surnames prevalent in Yorkshire at the time of the 1881 Census, see https://britishsurnames.co.uk/1881census/wiltshire. All photos, in good taste, related to Yorkshire places, families and individuals would be welcome. You can upload a photo, then post descriptive text to go with it.
Javalit (liti) Kitiyakara
That a great site for surnames! Thank you, Lee.
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Mark Elliott
For some surnames County Mapper, as census based UK program may come in useful. Surname limited, doesn’t cover them all. http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/countyMapper.html https://named.publicprofiler.org/
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Javalit (liti) Kitiyakara
Since the Atkinson surname is found most frequently in Yorkshire, I was wondering if most could be descended from the same distant ancestor, or is it more likely that there were several unrelated lines of the Atkinson surname in Yorkshire?
Lee Bennett
Aside from DNA, it would make sense that where groups of the same surname were clustered in a particular area, that they would likely be related. But, that is not something that can automatically be assumed. Perhaps someone can answer to the actual facts, in Yorkshire.
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Javalit (liti) KitiyakaraHello All! My name is Liti and I have Yorkshire roots from my maternal grandmother’s side going back as far as I can through mt-DNA. Both of her parents were from Hull, but it is only through the female line that my Yorkshire ancestors go back at least to the mid-17th century, possibly further. (Her father didn’t settle in Yorkshire until the 19th century.) I live in the United States and find it very difficult to learn much about the history of Yorkshire. My interest is mostly in the history of the lives, customs, various town & villages, surname history etc., especially in a way that ties into genealogy and cant paint a picture of who my ancestors were and what their lives were like. I get most of my information from parish registers available on Find My Past, and have become fairly proficient at reading the handwriting in the earliest records, but I have so much more to learn. I look forward to getting to know other members!
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Mark Elliott
Your name seems to be East India – Thailand. It is customary that Yorkshire surnames travel the Y-DNA line. Would you know the surname of the father?
Javalit (liti) Kitiyakara
You are right, Mark, my surname is Thai. I was born in the USA to a Thai father and a mother of British and German descent. My Yorkshire roots are through my mother and not through Thailand. My mother’s mother was born in Hull, where she lived until her mother’s death and her father’s remarriage. Her surname was Bridgeman and mother’s maiden name was Dearing and that is the mitochondrial line I am researching. Before Dearing the mothers’ surnames are Longhorn, Flint, Peach, Atkinson, Tune, Copley and I think Hewson, Up until the Atkinson line I believe my research is accurate, but the earlier one gets the more difficult it is to trace the female line, especially as quite a few of my male ancestors were married more than once. There are other long time Yorkshire ancestors that are direct ancestors, through the Epworth surname, the maiden name of my 2nd great-grandfather who married a Bridgeman. My Bridgeman ancestor came from Norfolk and settled in Hull in the 19th century.
Lee Bennett
Welcome to our group, Liti! I hope you find the Yorkshire connections you seek.
Javalit (liti) Kitiyakara
Thank you Lee! I will probably never get to visit Yorkshire, but I look forward to learning more.
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Mark Elliott
https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3422008?dpr=2&fit=max&h=266&w=590 Y-DNA seems to be crossing paths with the Atkinson [son of Atkin(s)], showing base name distribution of ‘hotspots’ using; https://named.publicprofiler.org/ In Rimington; History The village was listed in the Domesday Book as “Renistone”. The name Boulton (Bolton) is listed in land deeds of 1302,[3] and Robert Elwald son of Alan listed 1304.[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rimington Have Y-DNA matches with ‘de Cave’, of North and South Cave of East Riding, Yorkshire. https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3600586?dpr=2&fit=max&h=351&w=590
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Javalit (liti) Kitiyakara, “My Bridgeman ancestor came from Norfolk and settled in Hull in the 19th century.” note; “Canon Bridgeman” Autosomal; https://www.peopleofthebritishisles.org/population-genetics Garrett Hellenthal – The Genetic History of the United Kingdom: the POBI project on Youtube. Most my county McKinley, New Mexico, USA, is of the Navajo people, which clan-ship travel mtDNA. When Anglo-European surnames travel Y-DNA. Have been pre-DNA travel the mother’s mother’s line which mtDNA follows with help from dad from Cork to Dublin region into County Lancashire, England; https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/H27a-mtDNA-FTDNA-101829.jpg Likely from East Anglia to Germany/Denmark, North Poland then Finland being mtDNA, H27a. https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/23andME-Geni-FTDNA-mtDNA-H27a-Ryan-Murph-Smith-Croak..jpg Am myself Y-DNA related to the Atkinson, which likely migrated from Yorkshire, to the Borders, into the Ulster Plantation of North Ireland; https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3422008?dpr=2&fit=max&h=266&w=590
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Bruce Lambert
A big hello to all members of the Yorkshire project. I am not sure I am posting in the correct forum but I am seeking any information I can for my father, whose DNA kit I manage. My father (Bruce Lambert) has worked over 40 years to put together his family history; most of it pre-internet. He has traced his earliest known relatives to Yorkshire where the family had resided for quite a few generations. His earliest traceable relative was a William Lambert b. 1685. William married a Hannah Matthews and/or later, an Anne Mathers on Dec 28th, 1710 in Bradford Cathedral. He had the following children-Sarah Lambert abt. 1710, Thomas Lambert 1720 (Idle, Bradford, Yorkshire), Mary Lambert ?, and Hannah Lambert? We have also joined the Lambert Project but with the level of testing done, we have no matches with the name Lambert. It seems that perhaps somewhere along the line his surname may have been different. We are hoping to connect with any family members from the Bradford area. The closest DNA matches to date are at genetic distance 3, so fairly removed. Would love to hear from anyone in the project with ideas for us to go on with in order to find closer relatives initially and perhaps links to William Lambert’s father? -James b. abt 1600
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Mark Elliott
“The closest DNA matches to date are at genetic distance 3, so fairly removed. ” In how many markers, 12, 25, or 37 ? If it is 37 markers it is significant, and would like to know the surname match. Do you have any exact matches at 25, or multiple matches with the same surname including variants at 12?
Lee Bennett
Welcome, Bruce Lambert! Did you know you can use Advanced Matches on your Home page to see if you have any matches who are also members within any group? I looked, on your behalf, but found no matches in this group, yet. However, while you wait for new Y-DNA matches, I suggest you broaden your scope a bit by ordering a FamilyFinder (autosomal DNA) test. That test might locate matches (cousins) from Yorkshire, or offer more clues to your family origins, beyond your surname line.
Lee Bennett
Bruce Lambert, I discovered my own Lambert ancestor, and Yorkshire connection, via Francis Lambert, born 1587 in Staffordshire. He married Jane Barker (b 1600), in Birstall, Yorkshire. They immigrated to Rowley, Massachusetts in 1640. They are my 10th great grandparents. They had a daughter, Ann Lambert, born 1636, in W. Yorkshire. Ann married Thomas Nelson, born 1636, in Cottingham, Yorkshire. They also migrated to Rowley, MA with their 7 children.
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https://forebears.io/surnames/lambert https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Bruce Lambert, Your Lambert? Misspelled on map, but Caltonhall of the Lambert link; http://www.kirkbymalham.info/KMI/calton/caltonhall.html “de Lambert” means of Lambert, has been for some names coming out of France been indicative of being from a French Locality of an individual now in what is now referred to as England. The ‘de’ (of) is dropped then the locality name becomes the surname. Map search Lambert, France, and it will show that Lambert is used many times as a place name in France. In France and Belgium the name is common. “Fitz’ above means ‘son of’, and sometimes incorporated into surnames like Fitzpatrick, and Fitzgerald. When I see something like ‘Hugo Fitz Radulph de Lambert’, I go somewhat crazy with the name with something like ‘Hugh the son of Ralph from Lambert’. If the guy is from Norway, may sub ‘Rudolf’ for ‘Ralph’.
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Note; Eliot (Breton, French) + Ellot (Angus, Scot) = Elliot. Though the name ‘Lambert’ seems to be of Flanders-Breton, France the name in England, I feel was adopted closer to Bedford, England, from someone of the region which was of ‘de Lambert’ a Lambert of Belgium-France. Check your Y-DNA matches for seeing where your Y-DNA line may be from. The FTDNA Y-DNA ‘matches map’ is a good tool for this. ‘William de Conquer’ story seems to work for name origins. https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/De-of-Aliot-in-southern-France-name-in-Aliot-in-north-became-Eliot.jpg, but not necessarily for the Y-DNA the English ‘Lambert’ are carrying. There are ‘Aliot’ in southern France, more north in Breton ‘Eliot’, 29th chiefs Margaret Eliott of Redheugh, Scotland of lands acquired in the 15th century Sir Arthur her father had this to say; https://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/dtog/elliot65.jpg Was doing genealogy when Margaret’s father was chief, his daughter has been an excellent one maintaining the history of the Redheugh family past down to her through the generations. She has been chief for more than three decades. This is the sasine-deed information to the land obtain. (many great William Elwald of Gorrenberry); https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sasine_deed_1484_for_Robert_Elwald_%28Elliot%29,_Redheugh,_Larriston,_Hartsgarth.jpg Lands of Larriston are included as in poem; https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Elliot140-1.jpg The Redhuegh Elwald/Ellot which own the lands of Redheugh and Larriston; Robert as with all the previous chiefs moved to Larriston as map shows; https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/1590-Liddesdale-March-map.png The 1704 pedigree-tree shows that these Ellot now called feuded with the Armstrong. In the song; Gorrenberry is next to Mangerton. Thomas Armstrong brother to Johnie Armstrong in which a gallant company of ‘Eliot (Ellot), and Armstrang’ rode together, and were hung by James V, ca1530, own land on the west side of Gorrenberry referred to as ‘Billhope’, as shown in names for assertion; https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Elwald_people_of_the_forested_groves_ca_1540.jpg ‘Assedantur Thome Armistrang de Meriantoun’, Thomas Army-strong of Mangerton, which is Johnie’s Armstrong’s brother.
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https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3613170?dpr=2&fit=max&h=397&w=590 Enlargement of above which can also be accomplished by right clicking on image and opening in new tab. The ‘-would’ in ‘Elwould’, likely traveled from Yorkshire. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/blaeu-1650-Yorkes-Would.jpg 1650 Blaeu map with ‘Yorkes Would’ (York Wolds [woods]) on it. 1579 Saxton map of region where places are listed in The Border Papers by James V. Elliott. Older background map upper right on above image. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Saxton-1579.jpg The Border Papers: 1560-1594.- Vol. 2. 1595-1603 Great Britain. Public Record Office H.M. General Register House, 1894 – Great Britain https://books.google.com/books?id=tNINAQAAMAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&dq=Calendar+of+Border+Papers&source=gbs_navlinks_s https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Elliott and Border Reiver site by James V. Elliott https://sites.rootsweb.com/~gallgaedhil/
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Mark, When posting to our Yorkshire Group, please give a description of any links you offer. We want to be sure all links are appropriate, relevant and safe for our members.
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https://www.familytreedna.com/public/peterson?iframe=ycolorized good proportion of I-M253.
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https://archive.org/details/chroniclesofarms00arms/page/31/mode/2up Little (Liddel), Glendenning (of Scotland), and Elwald/Ellot/Elliot of R-L193 Elwald/Ellot/Elliot Fairbairn (Fairy Bear) I-M253 https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Fairbairn-I-M253-Elliott-Viking-add-mix-James-Irvine-Irwin-FTDNA.png https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Surnames Gresham-Grisham-Grissom, Cave, Scarborough, and Elwald added surnames to relation carrying the same 12 given markers, likely from across the North Sea. Gresham (Castle), Norfolk, North and South Cave of East Riding Yorkshire, and Scarborough (Castle), North Yorkshire, giving location place surnames of Gresham-Grisham-Grissom, Cave, and Scarborough. https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3600586?dpr=2&fit=max&h=351&w=590 https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3516762?dpr=2&fit=max&h=445&w=590 An early resident of Bec was Alanus Elfwold (1248). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beck_Hall
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If I could have chosen, my ancestors I’ve sure would have picked better than someone likely in on the slaughter of a ‘Hugh Douglas’, and another known to be about the biggest thief in Liddesdale. At least being those individuals, they left a paper trail to follow. Pretty good for a ‘Cowie’, which is intended to leave no trail at all.
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https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3515028?dpr=2&fit=max&h=339&w=590 https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3209854?dpr=2&fit=max&h=607&w=590 https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3422016?dpr=2&fit=max&h=266&w=590 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Edward-McDonald-helped-Johnston.jpg https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Gresham-Grisham-Grissom-12-marker-matches-MSE.jpg https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3421015?dpr=2&fit=max&h=448&w=590 https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:John,1890:Jon,1890:Jonson,1890:Jonsson,1890:Jonsdotter,1890:Johnson https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/FTDNA-Johnson-but-not-Johnston-or-Johnstone.jpg https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Clan-Johnston.mp4
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Mark ElliottHow family members are being successful at family history; 1. The family knows best. Those which do not realize ‘The Family Knows Best’, and circumvent the family, makes a huge amount of difficulties by causing the true genealogists to correct the information back to what the family first said. 2. Listen to others, especially of the opposite sex, to make family. Though you may not think that which is coming from the opposite sex correct, the answers to what you said is reflective one and can with little skill decipher from the language, needed family information. 3. Do not in a family search, get rid of the in-laws, though you may want to. FTDNA is not a genealogical site because they are allowing administrators to kick out the in-laws. 4. Families fight, and likely not just one answer is correct, in the history. Families in their research seem to aim their research into specific region of research, giving to each other in the same family answers seemly conflicting, but so close they both come out as being correct. 5. If the family’s history is done properly one does not get to pick their ancestors. Self explanatory.
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Mark ElliottHow family members are being successful at family history; 1. The family knows best. Those which do not realize ‘The Family Knows Best’, and circumvent the family, makes a huge amount of difficulties by causing the true genealogists to correct the information back to what the family first said. 2. Listen to others, especially of the opposite sex, to make family. Though you may not think that which is coming from the opposite sex correct, the answers to what you said is reflective one and can with little skill decipher from the language, needed family information. 3. Do not in a family search, get rid of the in-laws, though you may want to. FTDNA is not a genealogical site because they are allowing administrators to kick out the in-laws. 4. Families fight, and likely not just one answer is correct, in the history. Families in their research seem to aim their research into specific region of research, giving to each other in the same family answers seemly conflicting, but so close they both come out as being correct. 5. If the family’s history is done properly one does not get to pick their ancestors. Self explanatory.
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Mark ElliottHarvard style of history is symbolized by their Puritanical style of witch hangings, of people speaking out accurately like my many great reporting an accuser saying ‘they did it for sport’. Though the witch gets hung acknowledging and correcting is not a part of Harvard style of history, a method which scientists use. In order to be a genetic scientist searching for errors and making corrections in genes is needed. To be a genetic genealogists searching for errors in family history, and genetics is needed. Harvard style of history has a tendency to hang without correction genetic genealogists which are practicing their profession with proper accuracy.
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https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3507749?dpr=2&fit=max&h=284&w=590 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/M269-to-U106-migration-Michael-Hammer.jpg https://gorrenberry.com/robert-elwald-clan-elliot-chief-1/ https://named.publicprofiler.org/ https://archive.org/details/chroniclesofarms00arms/page/31/mode/2up Elwald Elliot of Croyland/Crowland https://www.google.com/maps/place/Crowland,+Peterborough,+UK/@52.6735453,-0.1751426,15z/ https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Gresham-Grisham-Grissom-12-marker-matches-MSE.jpg https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/antiquity/article/people-of-the-british-isles-project-and-viking-settlement-in-england/54E19CAFF9AC2BEB39EAEC826BEDBC63
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https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3507459?dpr=2&fit=max&h=650&w=590 Let’s see how this goes Michael Hammer PhD Geneticist. At least they put that border between New Mexico and Arizona. Know how good the math of Arizona can be; Google ‘AZ photo radar’. Dad, Loren Spencer Elliott at 90, looks pretty good on the Mighty Mo. Note; Star Valley, AZ no longer has photo radar. ‘Hammer’, was one of the names a relative of mine was offered on his birth certificate but he discarded it. The math which FTDNA utilizes in TIP calculation, starts with input of a single significant digit of 30 yrs/gen then get an answer to the nearest hundredth of a percent. Does FTDNA really know their math? Like Hitler would put young men in charge, to determine lives, Harvard put judges in charged to determine witches, and hung them by silencing. Of course my Y-DNA at a proven branch point of two sons. Harvard history is a genetic superior race analogy, which does not confirm proper use of math, and science, but only Nazi type of uniformity on ‘status quo’ history. It is people which are spending a lot of money on not needed Big-Y so Harvard witch hanging types can turn them into lab rats, and have admins on site if they do not like what they are saying hang them as witches in the same manner young boys of Hitler’s squad could sent Jews to the gas chambers. Doing my family history, and putting through my Y-DNA, though my genocide of matches during Border Pacification is being filtered, this time these above words in pieces have already been spoken with the accuracy of Daniel Elliot refugee of Harvard Puritans of the Salem Witch Trials. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Armstrong-Border-Pacification-Genocide-BBC.mp4 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Scottish-Clans-12-18-Clan-ArmstrongConverted-split-002731-002800-201704011351196358.mp4 https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/3465588-1024×933.jpg https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Border-genocide-filtered-out-of-the-FTDNA-Y-DNA-12-marker-match-map..jpg https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Armstrong-Elliott-Johnston-Fermanagh-surname-distribution-map-.png https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/ Documentation for the Johnston of Ulster. Been kicked out of FTDNA Johnson blog. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/FTDNA-Johnson-but-not-Johnston-or-Johnstone.jpg https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3405404?dpr=2&fit=max&h=481&w=590 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Reiver-marrying-native-Irish-of-County-Fermanagh-Ulster-Ireland..jpg https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Anderson-Johnson-Polish-Germany-to-Ulster-Johnstone-Scotland-Johnston-Ulster.jpg https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3431267?dpr=2&fit=max&h=467&w=590 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Edward-McDonald-helped-Johnston.jpg https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Clan-Johnston.mp4
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Douglas Young Yesterday at 1:07am “Hello. I am Douglas Young the Clan Young Society historian. I am an I-M223 and it is the 3rd largest haplogroup of our clan members. My ancestors are from the Stonehaven area of Scotland and I have them back to David Young of the farm Montgoldrum. I have a copy of his will from 1636 and we estimate he was born about 1585.” https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Armstrong-Border-Pacification-Genocide-BBC.mp4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullykelter_Castle Dand (alias Andrew) Ellot exiled to Ulster, Ireland 1607. https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Border-genocide-filtered-out-of-the-FTDNA-Y-DNA-12-marker-match-map..jpg https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3453303?dpr=2&fit=max&h=572&w=590 https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3453310?dpr=2&fit=max&h=308&w=590 https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3464411?dpr=2&fit=max&h=258&w=590 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Dunbar-Cockburn.jpg https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Dunbar-3.jpg Though the answer to the genocide of Armstrong, is to silence an Elliott to censor him out which I expect will be done by what goes entirely against being valid in the genealogical family history, but valid in monarchical James VI-I, and Harvard witch hangings to silence is to kick me off this blog because I speak of history of my family; My family is not today’s United Kingdom, of a monarchical genocide of my true family of Armstrong, Elliott, Nixon, and Crozier, of the Scottish Middle March families, https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Middle-March.png of with one first stood on the moon, and another spoke by phone as president to him. Ancestors of Royalists like the Young of Stonehave, strung up an tarred feathered Tories in 1776; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/SELLING-SCOTS-AS-SLAVES-IS-FUNNY-TO-THE-TORIES-2.mp4?_=1 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Scottish-Barbados-Indentures.mp4?_=2 If any hardening on the County Fermanagh, border, those Tories still deserved to be strung up adn tarred an feathered. Young is a border name, and used to denote a Young John in the American Appalachians. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Young-Dand-Elliott.jpg
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Elizabeth Grissom 5 hours ago I am a Grissom, Gresham, Grisham. Woul love to connect with project. I am an Anderson too https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Localities are Anglo Danish. https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3496836?dpr=2&fit=max&h=478&w=590 https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Gresham_Grissom?iframe=yresults Having the surname Grissom you have an over 2 out of 3 likelihood of on the Y-DNA the first twelve markers being; 14 24 14 10 11-14 12 12 11 13 13 29 On the Y-DNA of Grissom-Gresham; Elizabeth Grissom, if the first twelve markers are like mine; 14 24 14 10 11-14 12 12 11 13 13 29 then you have an easily over 95+% likelihood-probability, that surname originated from Gresham, Norfolk, East Anglia, now England, about 1,200 AD. Harvard style of genealogy is their witch hanging style not to agree with the above but to silence the free speech of the above, by kicking me out of other FTDNA blogs. It is like bringing the FTDNA Harvard hammer down on you, when you have the policy of not kicking out the in-laws; https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Hammer-McDough-pre-revolution-line-German.jpg https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/antiquity/article/people-of-the-british-isles-project-and-viking-settlement-in-england/54E19CAFF9AC2BEB39EAEC826BEDBC63
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https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3495274?dpr=2&fit=max&h=343&w=590 https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Elliot Any quotes by me on Wikipedia, since I have been censored from Wikipedia should be considered extremely invalid. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliot The whole subject of the Scottish name origin is discussed by Keith Elliot Hunter on the Elliot Clan website[9] where he argues for a Breton origin to the name and the first chief being William d’Alyth. Under that name, the d’Alyths played a key role in the Scottish Wars of Independence[10] However, Mark Elliot presents a well-argued case that there is no connection between the Elliot river and town with the clan and believes the origins are in the first name of Elwald, which appears in Northumberland in the 8th century king, Elwald 1. Do support this Wikipedia link; https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Elliot Which has contained in it; https://gorrenberry.com/proto-germanic-r-u106-haplogroup-dna-elwald-elliot/ And; The double L and single T Descent from Minto and Wolflee, The double T and single L Mark the old race in Stobs that dwell. The single L and single T The Eliots of St Germains be, But double T and double L, Who they are nobody can tell. Robert Bell dichtete in “The Book of Scots-Irish Family Names” hinzu: “For double L and double T, the Scots should look across the sea!” Robert Bell wrote the book of Ulster Surnames and this history; https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/ Any Wikipedia site which does not carry the information of the chieftain line of Redheuch is totally invalid; https://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/dtog/elliot65.jpg https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Clan-Eliott-stats1.jpg https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/German-Elliot-poem-2.jpg These people of Wikipedia, and Wikitree do not have relevancy because if you as an Elliott, talk about your family history you are known to be the greatest liar of them all, and a censored from talking. Though I am descended from a notorious border reiver Clementis Hobs, I am censored from FTDNA border reiver blog. It should be noted what is on the Redheugh shield was placed their previous to border pacification, it is and ‘elwand’, and measuring rod, an Ediburgh standard for length between that of a Imperial yard, and a French metre. The Elwald/Ellot were at one time referred to as measurers, like surveyors which in Angus survey ‘lot’s with the sides in the length of the standard Scottish ‘el’ referred to as ‘el-lot’s. People along the Scottish previous to UK, Ellot river which farmed these ‘ellot’, where called ‘ellot’. They were brought down to Liddesdale to soldier the Hermitage Castle for the Earls of Angus, the Douglas, between the time of the Knight of Liddesdale James Douglas, and Archibald ‘Bell the Cat’ Douglas, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sir_James_Douglas_heart_casket.JPG (also Archibald Douglas which passed lands of Redheugh to the Elliot).which passed the lands of Redheugh and Larriston on toe the chiefs, which our 29th chief is of today, Margaret Eliott of Redheugh. Her father Sir Arthur and his mother put this together, but it seems that English Wikipedia does not want to acknowledge the Elliot; https://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/dtog/elliot65.jpg an do there final act in censorship to genocide of the clan. The reason Germany is getting it correct is because the border clans which had been exiled to Ireland have been moving to Germany; https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Armstrong,1996:Armstrong,1890:Elliott,1996:Elliott Archaeology Notes N064SW 8 60793 40163. https://canmore.org.uk/site/35644/kellie-castle (NO 6078 4016) Kellie Castle (NR) OS 1:10000 map (1975) For Kellie Castle, Dovecot, see NO64SW 67. Kelly (D MacGibbon and T Ross 1889) or Kellie (G M Ramsay, owner) Castle, which was also known as Auchterlony, was the seat of the Elliot family from the 14th to the 17th centuries but the building itself appears to date from the late 15th century at the earliest. After standing in ruins for some time it was restored in the mid-19th century and is still occupied. Considered anything written for English Wikipedia about Clan Elliot are people that are of a puppet state to the English or the English themselves. The true Border Scots exiled to Ireland are now living in Germany, and around the world. The false ones are the ones which do not carry the Elliott DNA, and censor them speaking. This is being done when people speak for indigenous Americans which speak individually for themselves. If it does not contain the ‘Elliott’ name poem then how can the site be a Clan Elliot site? This shows different naming localities, and is accepting of different Y-DNA originating differently. My Y-DNA is only of a special proto-Germanic R-U106 origins it does not mean that I-M253 Elwald-Ellot and Fairbairn did not migrate during the same period of time. As long as I am being censored and can not write on Clan Ellot Wikipedia, considered what is being said on it as a procedure by the UK to complete the genocide of the Clan Elliot not of the UK. Kind of laugh at it; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliot No true Elliott is reading it anyway. They know the relevancy of material on Wikipedia because of their censorship and a lot on the FTDNA blogs which censor are mighty low. Examples in images; FTDNA; Elliot https://www.google.com/search?q=FTDNA+Elliot&rlz=1C1AVNA_enUS566US566&sxsrf=ALeKk00hgzloXRxyOo-YpNjCR75f5hQs_g:1582440288236&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjzqoi6iefnAhUPbKwKHb9uBPsQ_AUoAnoECAsQBA&biw=1280&bih=612 Johnson https://www.google.com/search?q=FTDNA+Johnson&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwiSjcW7iefnAhUxA50JHXBkA1IQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=FTDNA+Johnson&gs_l=img.3..35i39.50018.51917..52387…0.0..0.126.653.5j2……0….1..gws-wiz-img…….0i24.2ilwiiXrFd8&ei=Yx9SXtLPE7GG9PwP8MiNkAU&bih=612&biw=1280&rlz=1C1AVNA_enUS566US566 Border Reivers https://www.google.com/search?q=FTDNA+Border+Reivers&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwi34ZvViefnAhXSPM0KHVydA5cQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=FTDNA+Border+Reivers&gs_l=img.3..35i39.54212.54212..55798…0.0..0.94.94.1……0….1..gws-wiz-img.4LptQE4_7lQ&ei=mR9SXvewCtL5tAbcuo64CQ&bih=612&biw=1280&rlz=1C1AVNA_enUS566US566 elwand Elwald Ellot links; https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/DSL-elwand.png https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Elwand-Elwald.jpg https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Horsleyhill1.jpg https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/elwand-elnwand-mesuris-weightis-elvand.jpg https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Gavinis-Hob-Elwald-Elwand-2.jpg https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Gavinis-Hob-Elwald-Elwand-2.jpg https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/elwandis-elvandis.jpg https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/elwand.jpg They may have their language, but I as an ‘elwand’ Ellot, hold the measuring elwand.
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https://forebears.io/surnames/Barna https://forebears.io/surnames/Mraz https://forebears.io/surnames/Kromka https://forebears.io/surnames/Stephen Because ‘Stephen’, the forename is rare in the region of Slovakia, it most likely was a surname of a related family. For instance give surname localities it could easily be related to the family of Timnea Stephen from the region. Timnea is a surname found in Romania. If one matches a number of surnames like I do; Mainly Gresham, and Cave, but also; Scarborough, Dennis, Nelson, exactly for the first twelve markers, it is likely if you can find the place name localities, and the surname distribution localities, it is likely these surnames were all adopted from a nearby region group of Y-DNA, and likely one can find the region of surname origins. With migration by a group, in my case Anglo-Danish Norfolk-Lincolnshire-East Riding, one can kind of figure the people the surname was adopted out of. R-U106 with I-M253 gives a Danish-Viking add mix, for about 1100 AD. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/antiquity/article/people-of-the-british-isles-project-and-viking-settlement-in-england/54E19CAFF9AC2BEB39EAEC826BEDBC63
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https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3495098?dpr=2&fit=max&h=292&w=590 First statement Slavokia, does not have anything to do with the surname Irwin. This is a modeling of a method of finding family. Mom’s mom Irish, and dad’s family pre-US American. So mom’s mom Barna of Kesmark https://www.google.com/maps/place/060+01+Ke%C5%BEmarok,+Slovakia/@49.1457193,20.4056624,13z/ Slovakia should show up in autosomal DNA around Slovakia. Barna a surname should show up in concentration in the region also. Barna, Mraz, and Kromka, do show up in the same region. https://forebears.io/surnames/Barna https://forebears.io/surnames/Mraz https://forebears.io/surnames/Kromka Could this be done with any established set of surnames in Europe, to find out where your family is from. Can it be used with autosomal DNA to get and more accurate locality? Can establish names in the UK be used instead of this European example? Does this also apply to Ulster and the Scottish-English Borderlands? Stephen is my middle name which folks agreed upon, and is much more Scottish then Slovakia, but my middle name Stephen is Slovakia, and likely near the original locality the name was formed, given my Proto-Germanic Y-DNA.
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DNA match with Atkinson, of Magheraboy, County Fermanagh, Ulster Plantation, Ireland helps to insure that my family of Daniel Elliot of Tullykelter, is from there; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullykelter_Castle https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Martin-Ellot-of-Braidley-Dand-Ellot-of-Braidley-Dand-Ellot-son-to-Clemmentis-Hob.png (Dand Ellot-Scotland, Daniel Elliot-Ulster)
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Many great granddad knew John Ellot of the [lived on chief’s Redheugh land across Riddall (Hermitage Flue)],’wee Jock Ellot’, and Clementis Hob; ie Clement Crozier’s sister son Robert Elliott, of the (William Ellot’s land live in McPatrickhope) Gorrenberry. Park south of the Hermitage Castle, and Gorrenberry, west of the Hermitage Castle. A poem about John Ellot of the Park. Scottish Poetry Selection – Wha Daur Meddle Wi’ Me? http://www.rampantscotland.com/poetry/blpoems_daur.htm Don’t think granddad Clementis Hobs was not much better; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Clemementis-Hob-hand.jpg One does not get to choose their ancestors, though with ancestors like mine it may give reason to.
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https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3421150?dpr=2&fit=max&h=225&w=590 Do you think people are trying to tell Roberta Estes something. When information is provided by FTDNA, and FTDNA does not follow through on it, what does that say about the quality of information provided? https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Gresham-Grisham-Grissom-12-marker-matches-MSE-1024×678.jpg What does that say about the quality of information Roberta Estes of FTDNA is providing? https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3402301?dpr=2&fit=max&h=621&w=590 FTDNA 101829, and purchased at cost, so the data is mine to apply for my family which I as an Elliott carry the Y-DNA. Note; Graduate mining engineer, UofU 1979, retired instructor, of chemistry and physics, ESL indorsed, Window Rock High School, Ft. Defience, AZ, UNM-Gallup, FORTRAN77, 3rd generation (correction, could not forget grandma Ilah Spencer Elliott), genealogist, after dad his mom, Loren Spencer Elliott and Ilah Spencer. ‘Family Knows Best’. Been kicked off of the Border Reiver FTDNA blog, for doing my family’s history. https://elwald.com/brigham-genealogical-surname-migration-uk-intro/ Roberta Estes, Though a Japanese American, is my hometown’s hero https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-japanese-american-hero-hiroshi-20170703-htmlstory.html , Rootstech is in the third Salt Palace. Three arenas have been built on the site. The second Salt Palace, the first Salt Palace Arena, the Delta Center, and now again another Salt Palace Arena. It should be noted when they built the first Salt Palace area for an ABA team, which was not transferable to the NBA, so they purchased a team from New Orleans called The Jazz. When the first Salt Palace Arena was built a Japanese American community was relocated.
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https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3419273?dpr=2&fit=max&h=380&w=590 https://books.google.com/books?id=DZhYAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA166&dq=Hermitage+Riddall&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj3vZrO3ObmAhUECs0KHZ65Ct0Q6AEwAHoECAAQAg#v=onepage&q=Hermitage%20Riddall&f=false https://www.google.com/maps/place/Hermitage+Castle/@55.2560367,-2.7954197,17z/ http://relativelyscottish.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/1590map.jpg https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Riddle?iframe=ycolorized https://dsl.ac.uk/entry/dost/riddill_n_1
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https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:John,1890:Jon,1890:Jonson,1890:Jonsson,1890:Jonsdotter,1890:Johnson Adding ‘Johns’, and taking out ‘John’; https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Jonson,1890:Jon,1890:Jonsson,1890:Jonsdotter,1890:Johnson,1890:Johns https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3416982?dpr=2&fit=max&h=435&w=590 https://named.publicprofiler.org/ https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Finn,1890:Fink,1890:Finck A little bird can get a lot done. People of the British Isles PoBI https://www.peopleofthebritishisles.org/
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https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3419737?dpr=2&fit=max&h=258&w=590 Rich Rucker has a question! https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/armstrong/about “I thought that Y-DNA was supposed to be so clear, and direct. My surname is Rucker, as was my father’s, his father’s and his father’s. My Y-DNA results, the few hundred I have now after doing the Y-67 test last year, have zero Ruckers and 90+% Armstrongs. I get it that this-isn’t an exact science, but I am getting no where. How does one make progress when there is an undocumented paternity? Folkk must think I am looking for child support of something, but we are talking about an event back in 1830. Advice would be welcomed. Thanks.” https://gorrenberry.com/rich-rucker-clan-armstrong-dna-question/ Rich Rucker and I were kicked off of FTDNA Armstrong. Guess who the Armstrong are paying attention to? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Armstrong https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Armstrong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Eliott https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Elliot https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Armstrong,1890:Elliott,1996:Armstrong,1996:Elliott Armstrong and Elliott have been migrating to Germany. https://archive.org/details/chroniclesofarms00arms/page/n13 https://books.google.com/books?id=nFr7oQEACAAJ&pg=PR1&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=3#v=onepage&q&f=false https://historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/ https://elwald.com/schafdieb-aus-dem-norden-englands-die-riding-clans-in-ulster-von-robert-bell/
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László Varsányi, Lets do this for the old country. https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3418191?dpr=2&fit=max&h=222&w=590 https://www.kdejsme.cz/prijmeni/R%C3%BCcker/hustota/ https://www.kdejsme.cz/prijmeni/Barna/hustota/
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https://www.google.com/maps/place/Crowland,+Peterborough,+UK/@52.6088397,-0.3760866,10.21z/ https://named.publicprofiler.org/ https://archive.org/details/chroniclesofarms00arms/page/n13 https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/wild-elks-return-to-germany-a-853581.html https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Ewald
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https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3417649?dpr=2&fit=max&h=289&w=590 https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Gresham_Grissom?iframe=yresults Norfolk, Gresham, and others 12 marker; (14 24 14 11 11-14 12 12 11 13 13 29) 13th Century surname adoption region. Correlates well with the People of the British Isles PoBI study; https://www.peopleofthebritishisles.org/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beck_Hall
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https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Wilson,1890:William,1890:Wilkin https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Wilson,1890:William,1890:Wilkin,1890:Will Question; Who has the most correct original pronunciation of the name ‘Will’, the Germans or the English? https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:William,1890:Williamson One-Williamson in Hamburg. This one’s for Kinmont Willie and Willie Nelson. OK, also for John Wilkinson. There are sure a lot of those Willies, just northeast of Saarbrücken, Germany. https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Willi,1890:Willie ‘Willi’, and ‘Willie’ for https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Utilizing international genetic scientists with a collective agreement on proper sampling procedure without use of surnames, a study (PoBI), was done on generations of rural populations throughout the United Kingdom. The autosomal DNA correlates well with individual surname migrations coming out of Germany. It is not the conquer’s DNA which is spread, it is the ones which were conquered. The meek inheriting the earth. People of the British Isles PoBI https://www.peopleofthebritishisles.org
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https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3414513?dpr=2&fit=max&h=544&w=590 Nelson, from Germany (Poland) to Anglican to York to Borders and onto Ulster. http://www.therjhuntercollection.com/resources/muster-rolls-c-1630/search-muster-rolls/ https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Nelson https://forebears.io/surnames/nelson Nelson and Haggard ‘Poncho and Lefty’ (Poncho, attacked New Mexico, USA) https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Willie-Nelson-Merle-Haggard-Pancho-Lefty.mp4
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https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3412401?dpr=2&fit=max&h=419&w=590 https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/sep/06/jocelyn-bell-burnell-british-astrophysicist-overlooked-by-nobels-3m-award-pulsars Jocelyn Bell Burnell, Following up on genealogy, to get it correct for genetic scientists, can become a strain. At least in 1596 there were also Bell along with Ellot in on the rescue from Carlisle Castle Prison of Kinmont Willie Armstrong. At Tullyhogue Fort; http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland/genealogy/muster/tullyhogue1610.html there were Bell and Ellott, near Lurgan, Armagh, Ireland where you are originally from. Did not know being from New Mexico, the state in which the Very Large Array VLA is in, and asking you a question, in Rochester, New York at Friends General Conference in 2000 a couple of decades ago, about ‘Roswell People’, the answer would get me this far with my genealogy. Did see Nixon run for president in 1960, to young to vote, but when I voted, I voted 1972 for McGovern (peace candidate). A half century ago, Nixon talked by phone to an Armstrong on the moon https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/President-Nixon-speaking-with-astronauts-Armstrong-and-Aldrin-on-the-Moon.mp4 , and a century before that Esther Hobart Morris, at one time, Justice of the Peace of Sweatwater County, (a county I once lived in), Wyoming, brought women’s voting into this world. Family is from Tullykelter Castle region Fermanagh; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullykelter_Castle, Anglican-Protestant Charles II Royalists, on the side of Catholic relations ‘transported as slaves to the colonies’; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/SELLING-SCOTS-AS-SLAVES-IS-FUNNY-TO-THE-TORIES-2.mp4?_=1 Though there is a Robert Bell of Ulster also, which wrote a history on our people; https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/ “To give some idea of scale, the Armstrongs, at their height in the sixteenth century, could put 3,000 men in the saddle at forty-eight hours notice, a sizeable force, well versed in guerrilla warfare. And if the Armstongs were to ride out with their confederates, the Elliots, Nixons and Croziers, nothing less than a royal army could send them home again.” http://clancrozier.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Localities-of-Nixon-Crozier-Elliot-and-Elliott.jpg But, no one of England likely wants to read it. Because they have their own numbers, (unlike scientists) to produce their own truths.
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https://named.publicprofiler.org/ In Scotland the surname ‘Anderson’, has a close distribution pattern around Hawick (properly pronounced ‘hoik’, where the name of the town formerly spelled ‘Haik’, and the ‘a’ like in ‘strang’, and ‘auld’, ‘lang’, ‘sang’; ‘old long ago’, is properly taken as an ‘o’). The surname ‘Anderson’ has a close distribution pattern with the Scottish single ‘t’ spelling of the surname ‘Elliott’ which then becomes ‘Elliot’, how Daniel Elliot of the Salem Trials in Massachusetts is spelled as ‘Elliot’, but at first came as the Ulster muster of 1630 ‘Ellot’ now in Ulster spelled ‘Elliott’, and the French/English ‘Eliot’, of Puritan Harvard in Harvard judges would put and Havard ‘i’ into the name and spell it as John Eliot (French-English) would influence it’s spelling ‘Ellot’ became ‘Elliot’, and the Ulster, ‘Johnston’ became ‘Johnson’. JOHNSON not to get mixed up with JOHNSTON (Ulster) from JOHNSTONE (Scotland), place names of; JOHNSTONE Castle, or JOHNSTONE of Parish Church of Scotland. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Johnstone+Castle,+Johnstone+PA5+0SP,+UK/@55.8222722,-4.5193377,15z/ https://www.google.com/maps/place/Johnstone+Parish+Church+and+Churchyard/@55.2007892,-3.4181058,14z/
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When I tried to publish on Wikipedia Clan Elliott it seems like I did well. FTDNA Elliot(t) is being screened, and admin is on many FTDNA sites. Paid good money to be on blogs which pertain to me. Like Border Reivers. Most used browser is Google using Images all except the one of Roberta Estes and Reiver Border map are ones put together by me and uploaded to the web. If there is anyone since I have not been able to get on the Border Reiver site, and feel they can use all the help they can get, can upload the ones that may pertain to them those mentioned FTDNA blog, would be most appreciative.
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If anyone ever needs an image off a FTDNA blog, just click right mouse button, and ‘cut and past’, the link like I have done here with the image above. https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3404061?dpr=2&fit=max&h=307&w=590
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Tried to help the Elliott out numbers on stats went up for over a week. Helped the Crozier out on Wikipedia, and got kicked off, so I took the info before being kick off in PDF form and built a domain for them call clancrozier.com, they seem to like it. Appreciate Stephanie Ray keeping me on.
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https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Anderson,1890:Andersen,1890:Ander,1890:Anders https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Johnson,1890:Johnsen,1890:John,1890:Johns https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Johnston,1890:Johnsone,1996:Johnston,1996:Johnstone JOHNSON not to get mixed up with JOHNSTON (Ulster) from JOHNSTONE (Scotland), place names of; JOHNSTONE Castle, or JOHNSTONE of Parish Church of Scotland. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Johnstone+Castle,+Johnstone+PA5+0SP,+UK/@55.8222722,-4.5193377,15z/ https://www.google.com/maps/place/Johnstone+Parish+Church+and+Churchyard/@55.2007892,-3.4181058,14z/ The Irwin, Johnston, and Rutledge, are of Ulster, or from Ulster, in a greater manner than Y-DNA ever can be used to say that. Having Y-DNA plus surname distribution patterns support each other makes the case much strong on who is in the Y-DNA surname line. It is like having relatives sharing and searching in family history supporting each other.
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Thanks for; James M. Irvine, Irwin-Fairbairn-Elliott I-M253 link match-up. https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/irwin/about/background https://archive.org/details/chroniclesofarms00arms/page/7 Chronicles of the Armstrongs; 1902 ed by Armstrong, James Lewis MD https://www.familytreedna.com/public/fairbairn?iframe=ycolorized https://www.familytreedna.com/public/elliott?iframe=ycolorized
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Note; English ‘finch’, is the German ‘fink’ a species of bird. The names ‘Fink’ and ‘Finck’, migrated to East Anglia, England where the name ‘Finch’ is found. Fink>Finck>Finch. https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Fink,1890:Finck,1890:Finch The Fink and Finck are in the Fens. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/40/Williamson_p16_3.svg/220px-Williamson_p16_3.svg.png Crowland/Croyland; https://www.google.com/maps/place/Crowland,+Peterborough,+UK/@52.6735453,-0.1751426,15z/ https://archive.org/details/chroniclesofarms00arms/page/3 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/elg-elk-moose-Kerr1.jpg https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3348780?dpr=2&fit=max&h=214&w=590 https://gorrenberry.com/elk-knows-the-wald-forest/ https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Fink>Finck>Finch. Y-DNA grouping dependent. Those Finck of Finch, traveled with the Ewald of Elwald. https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Ewald,1890:Finck https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Gr%C3%BCnberg https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Gr%C3%BCnberg-German-distribution.jpg Carl your first twelve markers match also. Carl your first twelve markers match; https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3256662?dpr=2&fit=max&h=488&w=590 and this; https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3208729?dpr=2&fit=max&h=485&w=590 Carl Finch November 22 @ 7:43am “Mark, I came from Ohio and many there were Methodists. I did find a close match in the name of Conn, distance 1 in 25 markers from county Mayo (Ireland). My father told me that he thought his ancestors were German Hessian soldiers in Revolutionary war, most likely named Fink. That would more likely fit your German heritage.” Carl, think; ‘Fink>Finck>Finch’ fits both our heritages. Did it integrating surname distributions, place name correlation, wildlife names used as surnames, and translations between languages, Y-DNA with matching you Carl at 25 markers exactly. For your info please join; https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/gresham-grissom/about/background https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/cave-family-history-society-dna/about/background https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/scarborough/about/background https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/saxmap.png Lady friend would say, “do not throw out the baby with the bath water”. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beck_Hall Guess what fink from New Mexico, was the first writer on this article. Wonder how that word ‘moated’ was put into the article? The Finch 02 group, most likely follow the same pattern. https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Bose,1890:B%C3%B6se DeBose is an all right name but Böse in German is said to mean ‘evil’, so it like ‘fink’ also may have been changed. For the DeBose in group would consider Colmar, France where the name Böse and Bose, and the Y-DNA is found in 1890. R-U106 shows some strength also in the SW Germany region, on the French border. Carl, yes you are related to those Germans, but you went a back way, through England and Ireland onto America. That Y-DNA goes far back, guess you are another trouble maker like me which went through England to the Borders to Ulster onto America. It is likely Joseph Smith traveled your route, and I the route of Brigham Young, as you know a couple of big trouble makers like ourselves. My mtDNA would have travel likely from Finland to Germany, onto Anglia England to across from Lancashire to Dublin region Ireland, then Co. Cork Ireland onto America. One can see the Finch surname going through Ireland also with you and other an exception travel from the Dublin region to Co. Cork. Will get a lot of disagreement from the supposed ‘highly educated’, Harvard types, but I have a tendency to lean towards the John Steward Bell, Jocelyn Bell Burnell, Alexander Graham Bell, Robert Bell types which were in with the Armstrong, and the Scott in 1596 on the rescue of Kinmont Willie Armstrong from Carlisle jail. The Scrope took him on a Truth Day. Four Bell were in on the rescue also. Though I will get a lot of disagreement, guess who’s DNA I used.
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https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1996:Armstrong,1996:Elliott,1996:Nixon,1996:Crozier https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Armstrong https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Elliot https://elwald.com/schafdieb-aus-dem-norden-englands-die-riding-clans-in-ulster-von-robert-bell/ https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Armstrong-Border-Pacification-Genocide-BBC.mp4
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208493 Lamb John Lamb d. 1815 Johnston NC -Jacob, James Monroe R-M269 277490 Fisher John Lamb d. 1815 Johnston Co NC – Jacob – John M. R-M269 https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/argyll-colony-north-carolina/activity-feed
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Mark ElliottMark Elliott One can have the same haplogroup, and the same surname and not match in the Y-DNA matches. For the name Elliott for instance, because it has been shown to be Breton French of ‘Eliot’, Angus Scot of ‘Ellot’, and Anglican of ‘Elwald’ (rare), but the People of the British Isles https://www.peopleofthebritishisles.org has shown that Anglican are a broad part of the DNA of the British Isles (in red). R-U106, is known to be Proto-Germanic, of Europe. If the branch takes place way downstream of my R-S16361 SNP in Europe in the R-U106, and the Elliott is of the Norman French Eliot/Elliott, and I being of the Anglo Elwald/Elliott, then when we arrive as Breton-Eliot, and Anglo-Elwald having the same downstream R-U106, with our names merging into the surname Elliott, we would not likely have the same Y-DNA marker matches. It should be noted, that I match R-L21 Gresham of Norfolk, near Bec where my Y-DNA arrived in East Anglia, many exactly for the first 12 markers. The split I feel would be at the R1b-P312 where it splits into R-L21 and R-U106, sharing the same markers at that point, which the ones which became Gresham migrated due northwest to east Anglia, and my DNA migrated northeast to where the moose (elk), are coming in these days from Poland into Germany just east of Berlin, then to the Danish-north German border, then on to East Anglia with my Viking add mix, including I-M253 and I-M223. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/antiquity/article/people-of-the-british-isles-project-and-viking-settlement-in-england/54E19CAFF9AC2BEB39EAEC826BEDBC63
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Interesting writing, glad to read.
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www.namenforschung.net/en/dfd/dictionary/list/ Grünberg; grün berg (green mountain) https://www.google.com/maps/place/Grünberg,+09573+Augustusburg,+Germany/@50.8275203,13.1001976,15z/ Also in Germany a Grünwald; grün wald (green forest) There is an Eichwalde, Germany https://www.google.com/maps/place/15732+Eichwalde,+Germany/@52.3147977,13.6059118,10.65z/ in the Berlin region where the elch/elk are coming into Germany from Berlin. Elch wald; elk (moose) forest.
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Mark Elliott
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/GOODALL?iframe=yresults https://forebears.io/surnames https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Goodall, is basically an English name where Goodale is found among Americans. It could be a name change from Goodall to Goodale upon migration to America, or a major part of the migration could be among the Goodale of Counties Lincolnshire and Norfolk to America. Seems in England that today’s Goodale live among the Goodall. Because of the Anglo-Danish distribution the name seems of that origin. Do you think the ‘Goodall’ surname came predominately from the region of Yorkshire, and migrated to the US, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, even Scotland, South Africa, with even some moving on to Wales, and Northern Ireland? https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Scottish-research-mapping-to-US-reference-8.jpg There are so few Goodale in England, and many in the United States, maybe the English Goodale came from the United States. It would be a way the Goodall could chase those Goodale out of the family at least. (Please do not take me serious on that one).
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At the Battle of Stamford Bridge the Saxons lost. Tracing my name to a Saxon name Elwald which in the UK is said not to exist, and in Germany, had exiled itself in the form of Peter Paul Ewald Ewald of Hitler’s Germany to speak freely by leaving for the UK. In America, my great arrives and speaks freely among the native people found in America. Son of the first Elliot immigrant speaks freely giving testimony to the Salem Trials, but his words are suppressed and nineteen innocent people are hung as witches. Today there are blogs which suppress the basic concept of people presenting the histories of their very own families in a manner of free speech being suppress by a corporation putting profits over families using free speech to find family. The Normans are the winners for their worship of leaders they write the history . When it comes to families they families will insist on writing it, not governments or corporate profit makers.
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Mark Elliott“With a combination of diligence, intuition, peer guidance, genealogical awareness and luck rather than a sophisticated knowledge of biology or mathematics I show that 37 STR markers are often quite sufficient to identify genetic families/surname branches, and one or two SNP Panel tests can be a very cost-effective follow-up to take many testees to near the forefront of this exciting application of citizen science.” https://ggi2013.blogspot.com/2017/10/james-irvine-speaker-profile.html James M. Irvine, and I would also like to confirm his statement; “37 STR markers are often quite sufficient to identify genetic families/surname branches,”
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https://archive.org/details/chroniclesofarms00arms/page/n13 https://named.publicprofiler.org/ “DNA Testing, The Armsrongs are not related to the Fairbairns. This is according to Lorna Henderson. Someday we will have our own clan, without being part of the Armstrong clan.” https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/fairbairn/499/ Armystand (1376 army strand on Scottish side of Liddel), Armestrang (Scottish for army strong), then after border pacification Armstrong. Recognized by the Bruce, and Douglas, as being The Strong Army of Scotland. When relatives where on both thrones of both kingdoms, that of England and Scotland, Armstrong genocide began, with a policy of exterminating those with the surname Armstrong, and its ‘army strong’ variants. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Scottish-Clans-Armstrong-BBC-Stewart-kings.mp4 (Anna Groundwater commentary less than a half minute long) The Scottish Middle March, 1573-1625: Power, Kinship, Allegiance https://books.google.com › books Anna Groundwater – 2010 FOUND INSIDE – PAGE 23 “Power, Kinship, Allegiance Anna Groundwater … the Middle March’s geographical location on the frontier between two periodically hostile kingdoms affected its political, administrative, social, … England and Scotland, 1100–1300′,..”
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Lesley Redman, Likely not your line of Spencers, but here’s link; https://elwald.com/james-whitley-spencer-tree-dna/
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Stephenie Ray, No wonder the Farrar-Farrow graphic is showing demand on the internet, Brigham Young University is known for their Strickland DNA project. Question these two seem to have a similar marker match, and ending SNP. R1b1a1a2a1a2 (incl DF21) 344993 Bell John Bell 1830-1898, County Monaghan Ireland R-FGC3268 R1b1a2a1a2c R-L21 North Atlantic B1215 Bell Jeremiah Bell c1806-1890, Monaghan, Ireland Ireland R-FGC3268 Are they father and son? Is Jeremiah the father of John Bell?
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When this was posted did not expect popularity. It is felt this is because of the http://www.stricklanddna.org/ Strickland DNA Project Brigham Young University. It surprized me.
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https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/ https://www.peopleofthebritishisles.org/ https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Did graphic to show a likely path of Argyllians to the Belfast name establish the name of MacManus (Mac- ‘son of’ -Manus ‘hands’, works with). Also shows Northumbria DNA, on Scottish side of borders and into Co Fermanagh, Ulster Ireland.
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Interesting. I know there was a clatch of Wilkinson in Coquetdale in Northumberland at least as of late 1300s (near what is now Rothbury, I believe and not too far from Alnwick and Warkworth). They were English Middle March reivers (or at least some of them were). I’ve never known of any Wilkinsons in Fermanagh, but I’ve also never bothered to look since my line traces to Antrim. But I suppose its possible that transplants to Fermanagh might have in turn migrated to other counties in Ulster?
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First Name Surname Barony/Lands Landlord/Estate County John Wilkinson Loughty Sir S. Butler Cavan Robert Wilkinson ONeallan F. Satcheuerall Armagh Nicholas Wilkinson ONeallan F. Satcheuerall Armagh John Wilkinson ONeallan F. Satcheuerall Armagh Henry Wilkinson Armagh Lord Primate of Armagh Armagh Christopher Wilkinson Clankelly C. Waterhouse Fermanagh Abraham Wilkinson Clankelly Mr H. Montgomery’s churchlands Fermanagh William Wilkinson Dungannon Lord Viscount Powerscourt Tyrone Robert Wilkinson Mr Church (Mercers) Londonderry Michaell Wilkinson Town and Liberties Coleraine Londonderry http://www.therjhuntercollection.com/resources/muster-rolls-c-1630/search-muster-rolls/ Likely a yellow instead of an orange circle, on English side of border, moving to Co Armagh, then maybe Fermanagh. From the region of the white triangles, Cumbria. Found a likelihood this happened with the name Ellwood, of Cumbria becoming Elwood of Down near Armagh. https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Atrium seems to pair with Down, for the Presbyterians, and Fermanagh seems to pair with Armagh for the Anglicans (maybe also Tyrone).
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It looks like Yorkshire is in demand elsewhere.
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Bruce Lambert
I am writing on behalf of my father whose FamilyTreeDNA account I manage. My father has been working on his family tree for over 40 years now. The earliest relative he has found to date is a James Lambert in Bradford, Yorkshire, around 1660. He had a son William born 1685 who married Hannah Matthews and later, Ann Mathers. Hannah and William had Sarah (born 1710). Ann and William had Thomas (1720), Mary (?) and Hannah (?) Our Lambert family (Isaac Lambert and his wife Rebecca Wilson) left Yorkshire in 1858 for New Zealand and Australia which is where we live. My father’s results proved to be unique within the Lambert project, which is to say that he had no matches with the actual Lambert surname. The Bradford Lambert line appears to have had few male descendants, none of whom have had their DNA analyzed except my father. His Match list contains 13 individuals with 3 or 4 mismatches, that is, with matches at 34/37 and 33/37. They all have different surnames, except two Walkers and two Burtons. Would love to contact anyone who could shed some light on further information relevant to my father. Jane Lambert (on behalf of my father Bruce Reginald Lambert)
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Bradford seems to have Lambert, which could test at some future date; https://forebears.io/surnames/lambert
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Thank you Mark for the link.
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Because of my religious beliefs, of being of The Religious Society of Friends a Quaker, and not of the Latter Day Saints, a Mormon; being one who follows leadings, it is with great honor that I am being guided by a well qualified team of family genetic genealogists of which some people call mom. Though my hero was JP in Sweetwater Co, Wyoming which I once lived, and stands in front of the Wyoming statehouse, and inside the US capitol, who brought for the first time with any government the women’s right to vote, name Esther Hobart Morris, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/EstherHobartMorrisCheyenneW.jpg/220px-EstherHobartMorrisCheyenneW.jpg about a half century before the US government did, Brigham Young the hero for Utah proposed that women should vote, but with all his wifes, the US Government did not allow it. First states in US women had the right to vote, Wyoming, Utah, Idaho, and Colorado, all with populations of Latter Day Saints the Mormons. Ladies, Palmyra, is between Rochester, and Seneca Falls, and Susan B. Anthony born a Quaker, Lucretia Mott lived as a Quaker, along with Elizabeth Cady Stanton Unitarian. Note, a Puritan seemed somewhat like a cross between a Unitarian and a Quaker, which Susan B. Anthony would most fit that description. “The monument to suffrage at the U.S. Capitol, called the Portrait Monument, proudly displays the busts of pioneers Lucretia Mott, Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony, who launched the women’s movement and first fought for women’s right to vote, which was finally granted 144 years after America declared itself a nation of liberty for all. https://assets.atlasobscura.com/media/W1siZiIsInVwbG9hZHMvcGxhY2VfaW1hZ2VzL2ViZWQ2MWUxZTM3ZGY5MWJiYl9Qb3J0cmFpdE1vbnVtZW50SW1hZ2UwMS5qcGciXSxbInAiLCJ0aHVtYiIsIngzOTA-Il0sWyJwIiwiY29udmVydCIsIi1xdWFsaXR5IDgxIC1hdXRvLW9yaWVudCJdXQ/PortraitMonumentImage01.jpg
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Mark Elliott
Before I was distracted, want to show you I have some mtDNA also.
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Redheugh and Larriston, are lands given to Robert Elwald 10, by Archibald ‘Bell the Cat’ Douglas 5th Earl of Angus referred to as ‘Angus’, in the later part of the 15th Century. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/43/Sasine_deed_1484_for_Robert_Elwald_%28Elliot%29%2C_Redheugh%2C_Larriston%2C_Hartsgarth.jpg https://dsl.ac.uk/entry/dost/stell_n_1 Transcribed by Teena http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland/genealogy/muster/tullyhogue1610.html Cathy Carley, Having difficulty with the surname mainly spelled “Steele” which varied little over time, putting it with the Saxon name in my line ‘Elwald’, in the Cottingham-York, “ONorthumb. stelle (once, 1099-1128),” East Riding, Yorkshire region. Finding in this group; “Michael STELL, b. 1530, d. 9 Feb 1589 England” where ‘Stell’, is more like the ‘Stelle’, spelling of Germany, though the name ‘Steele’, has similarities to it. On the English side of the Border it seems though the name ‘Steele’ is prevalent that it is spelled also ‘Stell'(correction 9/24/2019 from ‘Steele’ to ‘Stell’). There are a number of Germans carrying the Y-DNA, so it is felt that the word ‘stelle’, which produced the names ‘Steele’, ‘Stell’, ‘Steel’, migrated with the Anglo-Saxons, to Anglia, Yorkshire, the Scottish Borders, onto Ulster then The Colonies with the Border Elwald-Ellott. It is basically felt to mean a place name, meaning a narrowing in a stream or river, where, fish can be trapped.
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Dedication this to and Albert Bird Armstrong, who volunteered his time in dedication of Armstrong, in the upper floors of The Church of Latter Day Saints offices, where the genealogical library was kept. This dedicated to a top genealogists which want to offer their belief to their ancestors, but Albert Bird Armstrong did not bring attention to the Book of Mormon, but to a more important book to me which has my Elwald genealogical line in it; THE CHRONICLES OF THE ARMSTRONG, ed by James Lewis Armstrong MD, and made it available to all Armstrong which wanted a copy. Chronicles of the Armstrongs; by Armstrong, James Lewis 1902 https://archive.org/details/chroniclesofarms00arms/page/n13 Albert Bird Armstrong, Jr BIRTH 30 May 1900 DEATH 22 Jan 1973 (aged 72) https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/38734448/albert-bird-armstrong BURIAL Redwood Memorial Cemetery West Jordan, Salt Lake County, Utah, USA ARMSTRONG – Funeral services for Albert Bird Armstrong Jr…. In lieu of flowers the family suggests contributions to the Armstrong surname genealogical organization. Funeral directors, Deseret Mortuary.
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https://elwald.com/brigham-this-is-the-place-genealogy-with-dna-applied/ It seems like the above link has been kicked out of the Google Browser, so it has come to the top of the Bing Browser. With those Mormons having a Anglo Border Reiver for the second president of the Church of Latter Day Saints, I really wanted to do something for them. Though am a U of Utah grad, hate to say this but that Brigham Young University, certainly has far superior genealogical researchers than the U of Utah, though the best genealogical library is in Salt Lake City, Utah, where the University of Utah is. When attending the U of Utah use to run out to ‘This is the Place Monument’, dedicated to the Pioneers of 1847 coming into the valley of The Great Salt Lake where the Family History Library is located, online at https://www.familysearch.org/ in various languages, and available world wide. Those researchers must really like the above link I created for them, but it looks like again for the Google Browser, the above link does not exist.
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https://www.libraryireland.com/gregg/gregg-volume.pdf https://www.peopleofthebritishisles.org/ DIAHAN SOUTHARD APRIL 2, 2015 DNA Reveals UK Genetic Roots https://www.yourdnaguide.com/ydgblog/2018/10/19/ancestor-reconstruction A new DNA study details the origins of UK residents of European ancestry. Here’s why this matters to your genetic genealogy (even if that’s not your heritage). Note; The Scottish-English border, cuts across Northumberland families an their Northumberland autosomal DNA in the PoBI People of the British Isles UK rationalized study. Garrett Hellenthal – The Genetic History of the United Kingdom: the POBI project 43:02 https://youtu.be/6ANNHMzmxlI
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If I could have chosen, my ancestors I’ve sure would have picked better than someone likely in on the slaughter of a ‘Hugh Douglas’, and another known to be about the biggest thief in Liddesdale. At least being those individuals, they left a paper trail to follow. Pretty good for a ‘Cowie’, which is intended to leave no trail at all.
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“Delivered by Alexander as his act and deed in the presence of us underwritten to his master Goodman Stratton. Richard Norcross, John Cloys Wee consent to the turning over of this Servant to Samuel Stratton the 19th of the 8 mo: 1652 Increase Nowell, William Hibbins. Recorded 25:4: 1653 By me Tho Danforth Recorder” https://scottishprisonersofwar.com/alexander-gordon-individual-contract-with-master-john-cloise/ To censor and deny on the use of documentation integrated with DNA, what’s the difference then the Nazis censoring the Jews in Germany? Thomas Danforth of Danforth Farms, Framingham, MA, where family built mill in on Otter Neck, and after Salem Trials were refugees in Salem End on land provided by a Salem Witch Trial Judge Thomas Danforth, the above recorder.
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Correlating mtDNA, Y-DNA, and autosomal DNA to the Gordon surname. Only match is felt useful for genealogical mtDNA purposes is the genetic distance of ‘0’ for mtDNA, which does seemly as maiden name is ‘Gordon’. 2nd-4th cousin on autosomal DNA, and match downstream SNP of R-U106 at R-S16361, which shows strength in Scotland, but in mapping localities the Dalvggus is questioned if it does not present a map reference, the Gordonstown two and Huntley Castle of a majority of the census of Gordons is more if felt properly mapped in the region of Aberdeenshire.
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Mark ElliottMy Y-DNA is so rare among Elliott is has been vanquished with the ‘Cowie’ of Gorrenberry. https://elwald.com/cowie-of-goranberry/ Also quite rare among any surname group that admins use it’s rarity as a way to dismiss me, though the first two individuals to have their genomes fully mapped carried R-U106 Y-DNA also. Have been doing genealogy for over a half century, am a second generation genealogist, worked as a mine engineer, retired from teaching computer programming, science, and mathematics to mainly Navajo. My colleges and department heads at the level taught UNM-Gallup, and secondary were international, and the students indigenous Americans. My community of Gallup, NM is quite patriotic, https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Gallup-NM-Most-Patriotic-Small-Town-in-America-Rand-McNally-Best-of-the-Road-Submission.mp4 We in Gallup, and I religiously as written in my nation’s constitution the of speech, and necessity to any FTDNA feed to be searching family history and a part of my Quaker spirituality, of one being lead not leading or suppressing information given. Not on the Elliot(t) FTDNA site though I carry an Elliott FTDNA Y-DNA, be excluded by someone of a nation my ancestors separated from in 1776, which nation flies the flag of Border Family genocide, https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Armstrong-Border-Pacification-Genocide-BBC.mp4 and of this family grouping; Armstrong, Elliott, Nixon, and Crozier. Like Armstrong and Nixon, believe in world peace; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/President-Nixon-speaking-with-astronauts-Armstrong-and-Aldrin-on-the-Moon.mp4 Though my home has been at time quarantined from the Navajo Nation; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Gallup-NM-Most-Patriotic-Small-Town-in-America-Rand-McNally-Best-of-the-Road-Submission.mp4 Though wife is a veteran she works at Gallup Indian Medical Center, retired from Indian Health Service she is working as a civilian dietitian. To do genealogy, one has to accept the other is right about their family. Censoring supplied family information not manner how annoyed one may be at it make one an anti-genealogists. Ladies seem to make the best family genealogists. They seem to extract information, which pertains to there family, and do not get so offended by context. With Y-DNA carrying genealogists, given two the one which censors information is not a genealogists, but the one which extracts the family information is. Only when families speak freely about their families do people get accurate family history. Any censoring of family information provided except by the receiver which can close this page, makes the feed useless to the genealogists, but useful to the Harvard Profs, having people to paid for the data to become ‘lab rats’ they are utilizing in their studies, this in the same manner Cotton Mather’s science to hang witches. If you like me know your SNP upstream and downstream, plus which group of Elliott you are matching, though their are extreme non-genealogists like an admin on the FTDNA which has censored me a number of times, which will say that I a second generation genealogist, retired computer-science-math instructor, should be silenced in the manner Hitler silenced Jews, if you will allow a modern day family genealogists, and amateur like golf Bobby Jones give you and answer I would be most honored if my freedoms which my nation so prizes of speech which is one of them is not censored by one of these so called genetic genealogists. https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/ He is referenced by the German Wiki which does not like the English Wiki censor him, or me; https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Elliot Census data shows many of County Fermanagh likely because of THE TROUBLES migrated to West Germany; https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1996:Maguire,1996:Johnston,1996:Armstrong,1996:McManus,1996:Elliott On Daniel Elliot Y-DNA Cluster https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Daniel-Elliot-cluster.jpg https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/DNA-analysis-verses-the-genealogy-of-Framingham-MA-vitals-1024×434.jpg Great Grandfather Daniel Elliot, Tullykelter, Co Fermanagh, Ulster, Ireland. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullykelter_Castle https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Armstrong-Elliott-Johnston-Fermanagh-surname-distribution-map.jpg Self explanatory something a non-genealogical geneticists may not know; ONE DOES NOT GET TO CHOOSE THEIR ANCESTORS If someone chooses to censor because I am doing ancestral family history on the ancestors I was born with in accordance to genetic science, and not the genetics of Hitler’s Superior Race, Harvard or Cotton Mather Puritan ‘status quo’, making family historians using their Y-DNA being LAB RATS and you do not allow this then you are not genetic or genealogists.
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László Varsányi@Mark Elliott I read the letter addressed to me in the other group. Of course. How can I help? If you also describe it in English in a simple, short sentence, I understand. It was nice of you to write in my own language 
but the translator was inaccurate. I took out enough to help with something. I’d be glad to help for you. How can I help?
but the translator was inaccurate. I took out enough to help with something. I’d be glad to help for you. How can I help? You and Cynthia Pickett like this
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https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3592729?dpr=2&fit=max&h=312&w=590 15th chief Robert Ellot, removed from Redheugh, living at Larriston, marries Jean Scott, daughter of Buccleuch, and feuds with the Armstrong (Lock the Door Larriston…. Armstrongs are flying), has his first child 16th Chief Robert the sons Willaim (Larriston, Hartsgarth, and Dinlabyre) Gavin (name of Jean Scott’s next husband Gavin Ellot of Horseleyhill – Gorrenberry line), then Margaret, by mistress Margaret ‘Maggie’ Kidd (‘Helen’ Kidd’s curse) of Slaughtree. Gilbert of ‘Golden Gaiters’ because of the enormous dowry including a large amount of land at time of border pacification, marries Margaret ‘Maggie’ Fendy Scott of Harden, not incest because Gilbert is not Buccleuch’s daughter’s son. Condition land to be passed to 1st son not named after father, or Robert, but a William. William sides at first with parliamentarian Sir John Eliot, of St. German a different line of Eliot then the Scott, which dies in Tower of London. Adds an ‘i’ to the name Ellot c1650 then it becomes Elliot, but began supporting like the Scots of the Border do as a Royalist Charles II, change name of Stobs to Eliott, not to be a supporter of Cromwell, then hangs himself so his estate would not be taken as a Cromwellian War Tax. His first son Gilbert becomes Sir Gilbert because Charles II becomes king of England, and family supported him. Gilbert of ‘Golden Gaiters’ is of Redheugh-Larriston-Stob, and on the bend of the shield is an elwand of the Elwand/Elwald/Ellot/Elliot/Eliott, an Edinburgh standard of measurement in the seventeenth century when the shield was adopted. Gavin Ellot line stems from the William of Gorrenberry family, which uses the shield at the time before the lines branch with the stag-head on it symbolizing the Elwald ‘elk of the forest’ line of Ellot. My line stems from William Elwald of Gorrenberry, helping to oversee the transfer of lands to tenth chief Robert Elwald from Archibald Douglas fifth earl of Angus, late fifteenth century. History to be published in the UK has to genocide the ‘Cowie’ William Elwald of Gorrenberry line. So in the UK but not in Germany and the United States since the Elwald line does not exist, and the ‘Cowie’ is dead, that makes me vanquished for the United Kingdom in a true sense of genocide of Unvanquished Armstrong, and Vanquished Gorrenberry, the ‘Cowie’ still exists. If one is in existence but vanquished that makes them a ‘Cowie’, and since I am a descendant of Andrew (alias Dand the Cowie son Andrew Dan the Cow Burgess of Selkirk second son Clementis Hobs (ie Clement Crozier’s sister’s son Robert Elliott)), I get to exist in the Scottish UK as a ‘Cowie’. https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Cowie-of-Gorrenberry-death.jpg . Descendants were in New England when the ‘Cowie’ died, but for the Scottish UK, Gorrenberry died off, but for America, Gorrenberry lived on, and are descended from the Proto-Germanic R-U106 Y-DNA, different from other Elliott. When the Scottish government a subsidiary of England, decides to disband from genocide and desecration of the Middle Shires, and protect them as a National Park like Northumberland does, instead of building electric generating arrays of wind mills on them, producing electricity for England, and by corporations vested into the Scottish Ministry, only then will Scotland began to be free from England as when the border people which were exiled to today’s Brexit/EU border their descendants were living in the borderlands between the two monarchies. Needed for family to have above documented.
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One would not think the the Armstrong and Buccleuch of Langholm, along with the Elliot of Hawick, after 500 years would still have to defend the Hermitage Castle from Scotland’s Ministry’s Windy Edge proposed wind farm. https://www.countrylife.co.uk/news/wind-farm-battle-over-scottish-castle-6273 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Reiver-Trail-Magaret-Eliott-chief.mp4 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/The-Reivers-Making-of-the-Borders-Alistair-Moffat-2.mp4 http://www.rampantscotland.com/poetry/blpoems_daur.htm
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https://www.familytreedna.com/public/U106?iframe=yresults https://named.publicprofiler.org/ SNPs are getting into the reach of research genealogists. Above shows the importance of integrated, already established tools of the family in finding history and incorporating them into the mapping, or else you may get result in error of Sutherland for the grouping, when it should be north Aberdeenshire, around in this example Gordonstown. Two Gordonstown of region; https://www.google.com/maps/place/Gordonstown,+Banff+AB45+2HB,+UK/@57.488676,-2.7746371,9.85z/ https://www.google.com/maps/place/Gordonstown,+Inverurie+AB51+8XL,+UK/@57.2505594,-2.4683934,8.71z/ https://canmore.org.uk/site/334103/auchterblair https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Gordon
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https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3578944?dpr=2&fit=max&h=232&w=590 Click right, to open larger image in new window. https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Kempf,1890:Kempe,1890:Kemp https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Ligon
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https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3578233?dpr=2&fit=max&h=365&w=590 For the R-U106 Proto-Germanic, Saxon-Anglo Danish, Slavic, of kempe, German of kemp, Dutch of kamp, and English of camp. This shows the migration of Anglo-Saxons, Slavic-Germanic-Dans, migrating from regions of Saxon place names, onto Saxony Germany to today’s border, of German-Denmark, on to East Anglia, as shown by the PoBI Peoples of the British Isles DNA project onto the the Anglo-Scottish Border, into North Ireland Ulster region and for many Kemp onto America. https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Kemp?iframe=ycolorized https://www.familytreedna.com/public/VanCamp?iframe=ycolorized Only applicable for the R-U106 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOjDeSAEv9s&list=PL6fQm1L943nCKmLtmK9K-JKPiD3pdUxPI&index=134 https://www.peopleofthebritishisles.org/ https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Daniel-DNA-tree.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullykelter_Castle https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Camp,1890:Kemp,1890:Kempe,1890:Kamp https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Kamp,1890:Kempf,1890:Kemp https://named.publicprofiler.org/ https://forebears.io/surnames/camp https://forebears.io/surnames/kamp https://forebears.io/surnames/kemp https://forebears.io/surnames/kempe
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https://www.rootstech.org/video/you-can-do-dna Brigham ‘This is the Place’ genealogy with DNA applied – Purpose of the Brigham surname UK migration, is to put the Y-DNA into the hands of family researchers. YOU CAN DO DNA, as The DNA Guide Team says. The Mormon men, even stand a side for these ladies. The Mormons like to sometimes think they are part of mainstream, showing history on how their ladies were able to get the vote. Lived in Wyoming, when a lady asked for the vote, the men knew what they were getting into if they turned them down. Ladies for a continuance of vote, about a half century before the US and UK in Wyoming were voting, and Ester H. Morris became Wyoming’s hero with a statue in front of the statehouse, and the US Capitol. Brigham Young a good Anglo-Reiver name, hero to the State of Utah, and Brigham Young University only university with a four year program in genealogy, offering their church to their ancestors, wanted women to vote. The US government felt at the time he had to many wifes for this to be allowed. The Mormon ladies, mainly in populations of Utah, Wyoming, Idaho, and Colorado, the states in which ladies could vote, before the rest of the US had the right to vote. Those Mormon, men are almost as bad as those men of Wyoming cowboys, allowing those ladies to vote. As far as family history is concerned these ladies having been mom’s unlike James and I, most likely can easily make the use of DNA in finding family, understandable, and free from single corporation influence. Ladies received governmental positions within Wyoming, likely because they did not have occupational (corporate) conflict of interest like their male counter parts did. The DNA Guide Team is independent to the corporations. https://www.yourdnaguide.com/about
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https://forebears.io/surnames/birge David Birge, Big question, can it happen?
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Wilkens surname distribution; https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Wilkens https://forebears.io/surnames/wilkens https://named.publicprofiler.org/
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Click right, open in new link for larger image. Stephanie Ray, This one’s for Yorkshire.
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https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3542906?dpr=2&fit=max&h=492&w=590 Anna-Hannah Cloyes-Cloyse Elliott, lost a child after her first, in Salem Massachusetts in 1690. The spectra of Wm Hobbs was being accused in the death of her child. She was the oldest daughter of Anna-Hannah Littlefield and Peter Cloyse-Cloyes son of seaman John Cloyse which brought indentured Daniel Ellot/Elliot to America c1650. It is felt because she was the oldest when Peter remarried a Sarah Bridges Town, that the marriage between indentured Daniel’s son and Anna-Hannah Cloyse-Cloyes was arranged. Peter left two brothers in the town of Wells, Maine, originally founded by his father-in-law Edmund Littlefield of Wells, Maine. John oldest named after seaman John Cloyse, and Nathaniel, both used as names of children of Daniel and Anna-Hannah Elliott. Rev George Burroughs, of Wells, Maine was hung in the Salem Trials along with two Town older sisters to Sarah Town Bridges Cloyes-Cloyse, Peter’s second wife, Rebecca Nurse and Mary Eastey.
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Though been trying to test downstream on my SNP with FTDNA, it does not seem to allow me to. So went with Yseq on R-A6719 and R-A6722, this gave me a testing value below that which 23andME was able to returned and when I tested FTDNA R-S16361. They came up the same. A corporation is able to control which SNP can be tested and therefore the outcome of there restricted data set, by restricting people which are in given FTDNA data groups. The outcome is only as good as the data it uses an that is why I have been behind the data procedures of PoBI all the way; https://www.peopleofthebritishisles.org/ A response from a Co-Admin no Admin; Bradley McGuire 9 minutes ago I understand your point here Mark. However, each lab has their own set of “standards” or cut off points regarding the quality of the marker or SNP. I look at the position of a named SNP to check for other folks nomenclature. There are many, many SNPs with more than one “name” L513 is DF1 and S215…all depends on which list you are looking at.
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Click right button then ‘Open image in new tab’ for enlargement. Next to Maguire as a surname in County Fermanagh, Johnston, of the Scottish Johnstone is second. https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Johnson/default.aspx?section=yresults https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Carruthers?iframe=yresults Wonder where that I-CTS11603 Y-DNA is from. https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Carruthers likely from a single male I-CTS11603 Y-DNA, which does not seem to have any matches to the Brus/Bruce family but relation of Mouswald Carruthers, seem to share the same shield with the Pickering of Oswaldkirk, Yorkshire, Brus/Bruce family relations. Noted, share Y-DNA first 12 markers with Cave ‘de Cave’, and Scarborough. The Bruce had land of Cave, North and South, in east Riding Yorkshire, and in Annandale, land also of the Nicholas Stuteville (Nicholforest), and Wake families. The Stuteville had land of Gresham Castle, and Scarborough region, also of The Mote, which had Liddel Strength Castle on it of the Wake and Stuteville. No previous is pretty rough, but feel people are checking the research. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Clan-Johnston.mp4
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Listen to the chief though she may think of me as a wild west US ‘vagabond’; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/The-Elliot-Clan-by-Newcastleton-Primary-School-Scots-Language-Project-2018-1.mp4 To Derek James Stewart ‘Wha daur Meddle wi Me?’ Mark Stephen Elliott http://www.rampantscotland.com/poetry/blpoems_daur.htm
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Martin Styan
The original St. Oswald was King of Northumbria in the 7th century. He founded the monastery on the Holy Island of Lindisfarne and played a leading part in establishing Christianity in the North of England. He also became known on the continent, especially in Bavaria and Austria.
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“Kirk” is the general old northern word for church, found in a number of Yorkshire place names. Standard English comes from the area around London, Oxford and Cambridge. Until the end of the Middle Ages, Yorkshire was closer in language to Edinburgh than to London.
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Martin I found both era if Oswald, king of 7th century and Saint of 10th Century, felt the church in the day with region found the Saint Oswald of York 10th Century would be combined with the word ‘kirk’, given also localities, though the Castle of Saint/King Oswald 7th century is likely, but can not make any conclusions without further information. Also as Martin Styan state found the work ‘kirk’ used elsewhere. For the migration both Oswald of both periods would be of Anglo-Danish background. Which also indicates the Anglo-Danish nature of my R-U106 Y-DNA, with the nature of what is referred to as the Anglo-Scottish Border.
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https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3542370?dpr=2&fit=max&h=283&w=590 A Dictionary of the Older Scottish Tongue (up to 1700) https://dsl.ac.uk/entry/dost/riddill_v Riddil(l, v. Also: ryddill, rid(d)le. [ME and e.m.E. ridle(n (Ancr. R.), rydelyn (Prompt. Parv.), riddle (1570); Riddil(l n.2] tr. 1. To sift or refine by passing through a riddle. fig., with personal object, after Luke xxii 31 (see also Nisbet, after Purvey). https://www.google.com/maps/place/Riddell,+Melrose+TD6+9JP,+UK/@55.5090501,-2.7729008,15z/ https://www.google.com/maps/place/Whitton,+Kelso+TD5+8QX,+UK/@55.4833322,-2.3920878,15z/ https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ryedale+District,+UK/@54.1981063,-1.1221973,10z/ Do not in a family search, get rid of the in-laws, though you may want to.
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https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3541644?dpr=2&fit=max&h=288&w=590 For the Moffat ally; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/The-Reivers-Making-of-the-Borders-Alistair-Moffat-2.mp4 For the R-L193 Crozier-Elliott relatives; Group 4 – R1b-L21 > L193 (predicted) Matching to Elliotts. 319301 Crosier Adam Crosier (b. 1751 in Scotland, d. 1829) Scotland R-M269 429646 Crozier John Crozier born 1782 Durham died? England R-BY14138 https://gorrenberry.com/elliot-glendinning-r-l193-sub-l513/ Of Scottish Middle March; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/President-Nixon-speaking-with-astronauts-Armstrong-and-Aldrin-on-the-Moon.mp4 https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/
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One does not get rid of the in-laws. Like (note; feel FTDNA Clan Irwin Surname of James M. Irwin, and myself feel this is about as far back as I can go with my Y-DNA) Write a comment… Mark ElliottMark Elliott 5 hours ago Maurice Anderson 5 hours ago Hi Mark. The group Administrators do not have access to you kit, which I assume is kit 101829 in the name of Mark Stephen Elliott. You have only given the Administrators ” Limited Access” in order to investigate your match with the Anderson group. This Anderson match on this kit only appears to be at the y-DNA 12 match. Is this your kit number? I do find the information you have added very interesting however. Like Mark Elliott 1 hour ago Maurice Anderson, Paid money for data, and to use that data to do extend my family history. No one can do family history unless all are allowed to speak freely. FTDNA has kicked me off several blogs. That is not allowing for my free speech. It does not do me any good if eventually I develop this free speech if I am the only one not allowed to be kicked out of blogs. Do not have free speech on many blogs that is why I circumvent on other blogs. It is part of my most conservative believes as soon as my family came from the UK, to me they have the Union-Jack and laugh people as Royalists fighting in the Battle of Dunbar being ‘transported as slaves to the colonies’; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/SELLING-SCOTS-AS-SLAVES-IS-FUNNY-TO-THE-TORIES-2.mp4?_=1 Mine were transported to the Colony of Massachusetts. Where a Scottish tourist has the virus; https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scot-barbados-field-hospital-after-21808977 Some of the first Scots there arrived in Barbados in the 1650s. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Scottish-Barbados-Indentures.mp4?_=2 A school called Harvard produced high educated types which came high in the church and judges in the witch trials. Many great testified in defense of Elizabeth Proctor; https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Daniel-Elliot-Salem-1692-testimony.jpg Y-DNA verifies this; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/A6724.jpg One of the people which produced the science for witch hangings felt this about William Penn; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Cotton-Mather-Wm-Penn-2.jpg To have people dismiss people is like having the Harvard Cotton Mather give science for their day for hanging witches, or Hitler having scientists which agree with him produce a superior race. One can not steer away from ones own beliefs, to do family history-genealogy, because those beliefs, with me in my conservatism Mar 28, 1692 of my many verified by Y-DNA great is people get to speak freely when doing family history. The Constitution of my nation was written in Philadelphia, a town first settled by William Penn and his people, what would happen to freedom of speech and religion in the American Constitution if William Penn and his people were as Cotton Mather a Puritan a supporter of Cromwell would have done. It is those Harvard Puritanical ideologies in Boston which hung witches and Quakers for their expression of speaking freely and Mary Dyer a Quaker in Boston for her religious freedoms. Though the Latter Day Saints and the Jews, and of tribes of Israel are of the chosen people, been utilizing the services because of the beliefs of a tribe of Israel, which came to America, and offers what they call baptism to their ancestors. Always in the utilization at first the largest data base pre-web, never in a half century was I ever censored from utilizing materials in their library which many are being made available online, nor do people which I share (genealogy-family history is sharing not dictating), family history with shares their, and this is how people naturally do it. To constrain it by people that are these Harvard Puritan types, does not allow the free flow of family history among people, and any FTDNA which has administrators which constrain this free flow is not a genealogical family history site. There are some blog with do not have administrators, and just co-administrators which can not dismiss people for what they say about these families. These blogs which just have co-administrators, and no administrator, are genealogical family history blogs of FTDNA. Unless all have the right to speak freely as in the Family History Library, Salt Lake City, Utah, on the FTDNA blogs, accurate family history can not be truly found with FTDNA which follows a corporate structure to silence people to try to maximize their profits. Like Mark Elliott 15 minutes ago The chief’s https://elwald.com/clan-elliot-29th-chief-margaret-eliott-of-redhuegh-stobs/ family was given a large dowry to marry into the Scots of Harden. Good old George Fox convinced part of the family of Harden to become Quakers, about 1657 and they imprison him in Edinburgh; (don’t have to read you have your own family histories to discover, though it is by Walter Scot) Raeburn is near https://maps.nls.uk/view/00000402#zoom=5&lat=3688&lon=5693&layers=BT the Irvine of Bonshaw, and where Kinmont Willie Armstrong is buried, who the Scots of Harden, and part of my Gorrenberry family helped to rescue from Carlisle Castle, along with some Bell, and Armstrong; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/HISTORY-HUNTERS-Kinmont-Willie-Armstrong.mp4 There is an old proverb which assures that truth be told by laughing; La Prision d’Édimbourg (The Prision of Edinburgh) By Walter Scott “2 There is an old proverb which assures that truth be told by laughing. The existence Walter Scott third son of Sir William Scott of Harden is educated as they say by charter bearing the great seal Domino William Scott of Harden militi and Walter Scott “suo legitimo tertio genito terrarum” (world,legitimate begotten) of Roberton. (See the Baronage of Douglas page 215). The old gentleman left his four sons considerable estates and gave those of Eilrig de Raeburn to his third. He who is the ancestor of Scott Raeburn and Waverly. author 11 Appears to have converted to the Quakers or Friends’ doctrine and became a great advocate of principles. It was probably when George Fox, the apostle of the sect, made a nun in the north of Scotland about 1657 AD. It is on this occasion that he says that as soon as the horse had set foot on the land of Scotland he felt the seed of grace shining around him like countless sparks. At the same time no doubt that Sir Gideon of Highchester’s second son William and the ancestor of the friend and parent of the author the representative of the family of Harden also embraced Quakerism. Gideon the latter converted entered into controversy with the Rev. James Kirkton author of the true and secret history of Scotland, which is mentioned by my ingenious friend Charles Kirkpatrick Sharpe in this remarkable and curious edition of this work in 1817. Sir William Scott, the Brethren of the Brothers, remained in the midst of this defection an orthodox member of the church Presbyterian and us a uproot Walter de Raeburn to his heresy means that were more of persecution than persuasion. He was helped in his efforts by MacDougal of Makerston brother of Isabelle MacDougal wife of Walter and who like her husband had adopted the religion of Quakers Sir William Scott’s influence and that of Makerston were powerful enough to obtain two subsequent acts of the Privy Council of Scotland against Walter de Raeburn as heretic quakerism the co-inventor to be imprisoned first in the Edinburgh….” https://books.google.com/books?id=Q8IBc4HvDSgC&pg=PA10&dq=%22Walter+de+Raeburn%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiDguOZh9PYAhVD32MKHR69DOkQ6AEISjAE#v=onepage&q=%22Walter%20de%20Raeburn%22&f=false Please let me know which links are not working right, I will see if I can do something to repair them. (added note; please do not get me in trouble with chief Margaret, 17th cousin twice removed, sure she thinks of me as some sort of wanted ‘vagabond’ from the wild west of the USA)
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