Ridale, Riddle, and Riddell, of Yorkshire and Roxburgshire DNA
https://www.bing.com/search?q=barbados+scots
Bing Videos-Die irischen Zuckersklaven von Barbados
Genealogy Garage: Scottish Prisoners of War youtube
Involuntary Americans: Scottish Prisoners in 17th Century Maine youtube
https://www.familytreedna.com/social-photos/4498710?dpr=2&fit=max&h=348&w=590
Steel Bonnets In Debatatable Lands with George Macdonald Fraser and Eric Robson
Clan Elliot – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
File:Sasine deed 1484 for Robert Elwald (Elliot), Redheugh, Larriston, Hartsgarth.jpg – Wikipedia
Proto-Germanic R-U106 haplogroup DNA Elwald-Elliot – Gorrenberry
sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell PDF
Clan Elliot – de.Wikipedia.org Germany
Steel Bonnets In Debatatable Lands with George Macdonald Fraser and Eric Robson
Appendix-H-Rowell-Charles-Carroll.pdf
مدرسة الفرندز رام الله
How family members are being successful at family history;
THE FAMILY KNOWS BEST.
LISTEN TO OTHERS, ESPECIALLY PEOPLE OF THE OPPISTE SEX, WHEN IT COMES TO FAMILY.
WHEN FINDING FAMILY DO NOT GET RID OF THE IN-LAWS EVEN IF YOU WANT TO.
FAMILIES FIGHT, THOUGH DISAGREEMENT, BOTH POSITIONS-ANSWERS ARE LIKELY CORRECT.
IF THE FAMILY’S HISTORY IS DONE PROPERLY, ONE DO NOT GET TO CHOOSE THEIR RELATIVES THEY AR BORN WITH THEM.
THE FAMILY KNOWS BEST. Anything which is presented as pasted down as family history by a member of the family is accepted as being correct. If someone not of the family line expresses it being incorrect, they may be a historian, but not a family historian.
LISTEN TO OTHERS, ESPECIALLY PEOPLE OF THE OPPISTE SEX, WHEN IT COMES TO FAMILY.
People of the opposite sex see things differently and will offer a different perspective when seeking information about family.
WHEN FINDING FAMILY DO NOT GET RID OF THE IN-LAWS EVEN IF YOU WANT TO. If there are relatives that you do not want to be related to, put them in because they may be linked to relatives you want to be related to.
FAMILIES FIGHT, THOUGH DISAGREEMENT, BOTH POSITIONS-ANSWERS ARE LIKELY CORRECT. Any information you may receive is helpful, and is likely as correct as ones own.
IF THE FAMILY’S HISTORY IS DONE PROPERLY, ONE DO NOT GET TO CHOOSE THEIR RELATIVES THEY AR BORN WITH THEM. (self explanatory).
مدرسة الكويكرز الفلسطينية التي صمدت 150 عامًا من الحرب والاحتلال – كويكر سبيك
تأسست مدرسة أصدقاء رام الله عام ١٨٦٩ على يد اثنين من الأصدقاء من نيو إنجلاند، حين كانت فلسطين لا تزال تحت الحكم العثماني، وتوسعت لاحقًا لتضم حرمين جامعيين في مدينتي رام الله والبيرة المتجاورتين. وقد أجرت QuakerSpeak مؤخرًا مقابلات عبر تطبيق زووم مع رانيا معايه، مديرة المدرسة، وعمر تسديل، أمين مجلس أمنائها.
صمدت المدرسة لعقود من العنف خلال الاحتلال الإسرائيلي للضفة الغربية، بل وتعرضت لهجمات في بعض الأحيان، لكنها ما زالت مزدهرة. يقول عمر: “عندما يبدو الأمل معدومًا، نسعى جاهدين لتوفير ملاذ آمن يشعر فيه الناس بالترحيب والحرية، بينما هم خارج أسوار المدرسة ليسوا أحرارًا على الإطلاق”.
Family Tree DNA social photos 3719534 (1181×912)
LISTEN TO OTHERS, ESPECIALLY PEOPLE OF THE OPPISTE SEX, WHEN IT COMES TO FAMILY.
WHEN FINDING FAMILY DO NOT GET RID OF THE IN-LAWS EVEN IF YOU WANT TO.
FAMILIES FIGHT, THOUGH DISAGREEMENT, BOTH POSITIONS-ANSWERS ARE LIKELY CORRECT.
IF THE FAMILY’S HISTORY IS DONE PROPERLY, ONE DO NOT GET TO CHOOSE THEIR RELATIVES THEY AR BORN WITH THEM.
People of the opposite sex see things differently and will offer a different perspective when seeking information about family.
American Friends Service Committee – Speed read – NobelPrize.org
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Поскольку у меня нет доступа к набору FTDNA №101829, пожалуйста, используйте набор YSEQ №4069, чтобы найти для меня семейного историка Марка Стефан Эллиотта.
Family Tree DNA social photos 3730883 (1180×884)
Family Tree DNA social photos 3712452 (1180×598)
Поскольку у меня нет доступа к набору FTDNA №101829, пожалуйста, используйте набор YSEQ №4069, чтобы найти для меня семейного историка Марка Стефан Эллиотта.
Michael Moore: English Civil War: Battle of Worcester 1651 | PBS LearningMedia
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On Will of Robt Elliot and family, New Castle, Kittery, Maine b. 1643 by MSE 5/23/2012
Fathers-Father-4-Robert-Elliot-and-Colonial-Maine-Royalists.pdf MSE
Chasing-my-Y-DNA-part-28.pdf MSE
Difficult to Transcribe plus Confusion and a Result with Clarification-1.pdf MSE-7-19-2012
Graham Grantham Ancient Roman J-M267 DNA – Gorrenberry
File:Sasine deed 1484 for Robert Elwald (Elliot), Redheugh, Larriston, Hartsgarth.jpg – Wikipedia
Armetage-Hermitage-Armestrang-Armstrong-Castle-Bothwell.jpg (1030×960)
FTDNA–social-photos-3719534.jpg (1181×912)
Fathers-Father-4-Robert-Elliot-and-Colonial-Maine-Royalists.pdf MSE
Chasing-my-Y-DNA-part-57.pdf MSE 3-27-2013
A true and exact history of the island of Barbados | Project Gutenberg
Scottish Poetry Selection – Wha Daur Meddle Wi’ Me?
The royal coat of arms in Scotland has the Latin motto “Nemo me impune lacessit“. The English translation of this is “Nobody interferes with me with impunity” and this is often defiantly expressed in broad Scots as “Wha daur meddle wi’ me?” which is the title of this anonymous poem. But on this occasion it is being aggressively repeated by a member of the Elliot family, one of the Border families who not only fought their neighbours but were part of the first line of defence against marauding English invaders – and could sometimes defy the Scottish monarch as well!
File:Sasine deed 1484 for Robert Elwald (Elliot), Redheugh, Larriston, Hartsgarth.jpg – Wikipedia
File:Crozier and Elliot in Upper Liddesdale Blaeu 1654 map.jpeg – Wikipedia
https://www.familytreedna.com/social-photos/3719534
Tullykelter-to-America 3/1/2012 Mark Elliott PDF
Die Riding Clans in Ulster von Robert Bell PDF
File:Sasine deed 1484 for Robert Elwald (Elliot), Redheugh, Larriston, Hartsgarth.jpg – Wikipedia
Elwald-de-Armstrong PDF
Peace On The Border
After the riding we dispersed We drifted home in twos and threes Through cold and rain we spat and cursed This ancient war of families
In Barbados Anglican-Royalist Scot POW from the English Civil War 1650 were indentured to the Barbados Plantation, this a precursor to the African slaves.
В этот бесценный момент во всей истории человечества все люди на этой Земле поистине едины – едины в своей гордости за то, что вы сделали, и едины в своих молитвах о вашем благополучном возвращении на Землю.
АСТРОНАВТ АРМСТРОНГ. Спасибо, господин Президент.
Those New Zealand grandmas certainly know you to look after you.
FTDNA Greenspan – Elwald
Daniel Elliot (1637–1704) • FamilySearch
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The book of Scots-Irish family names – FamilySearch
The book of Scots-Irish family names. Title Also Known As: Book of Ulster surnames|Ulster surnames|Scots-Irish family names. Statement of Responsibility: Robert Bell. Authors: Bell, Robert, 1953- (Main Author) Format: Books/Monographs.
Daniel Elliot (1637–1704) FamilySearch
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Discover life events, stories and photos about Daniel Elliot (1637–1704) of Tullykelter, County Fermanagh, Ireland … English and Scottish: variant of Elliott .
Use to using a different format, but the above is and example of lands, including an insert-map showing Braidlee, from Anglo-Saxon Broadlee, meaning a valley broad on the leeward side. Wolflee also Anglo-Saxon, meaning the valley of the wolf. Yes, there were wolfs in the region. They introduced them around here and the Navajo grandmas shoot them for going after their sheep. Put chief Margaret Eliott raised in Stobs, but of Redheugh, in the same category if Scotland decides to reintroduce wolfs. Her husband seems to have a Polish wolfish type surname.
Though I may observe him, do not want to make any distinctive moves. Past British Army MI6 you know, but on the same family side.
May have bumped elbows on an Armstrong in the Aberdeenshire region. Finding that Eliott-Elliot may have land connection with Douglas-In-graham in region. Those Graham they are English an seem to not want to claim Armstrong-Elliot as family. Maybe the Nixon and Crozier seem to have English connections they find more acceptable.
Kind of like staying in the Forest with the Fosters, they are English and seem to be not offended to be related to Armstrong and Elliot, from the English side like those Grahams. It is the Hunter and wolf, for they are predators of the elk-moose, I must watch out for.
The Crozier seem to be Saxon along with the Thorleehope (valley of Thor, god of lightning Thunder Valley). A couple of Crozier seem to match their Y-DNA and are not R-L193. It seem like if you are not R-L192 and are R-U106, Anglo-Saxon they like to silence and exterminate you. Mark Stephen Elliott
Daniel as a forename is not popular in Scotland. Many great in accordance with Douglas Scott of BC, Canada, Dand Ellot was banished from both Kingdoms in 1607, then shows up as Daniel Elliott, in Tullykelter, Co. Fermanagh, Ireland, as part of the Somerville Estate in-law to the Monea Hamilton. Names Somerville, and Ellott show up in 1610 Tyrone Muster, and a generation later in the Co. Fermanagh, Muster. James Somerville shows up in bother musters. 1610 James Somerville had son 1630 Somerville. Scots alias nickname for Andrew is Dand, Irish English it becomes Daniel from surname of Daniel-M’Daniel it may be obtained. Ellot family of Tullykelter were Anglican but nomally Catholic, from forenames show this, even the name in 1610 Ulster Muster of Co. Fermanagh, Marke Ellot shows this. Before 1650 the Scots used Ellot not Elliot with the Norman ‘i’. Daniel Elliott name in 1692 Salem Trials was spelled Elot, the ‘i’ was added likely because of a John Eliot (Eliot Hall Harvard) which came over on the Mayflower. Had a relative to a George Soul who’s ancestor those Armstrong may have melted in lead at Ninestanerig, 9 stone ridge. Did not seem to care much for this Soulis either. The Douglas and Armstrong seem to like, and this Douglas Scott who is from BC, Canada is active with the Hoik-Hawick Archaeological Society, and has this younger brother who is active also, and sings Scottish Ballads with this group called Scocha (Scott-Chapman), do not know being an elk-moose if I care for his middle name of Hunter, though I think he also is weary of the hunter.
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Chronicles of the ArmLewis strongs; : Armstrong, James
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Steel Bonnets In Debatatable Lands with George Macdonald Fraser and Eric Robson
Mark Elliott
Steel Bonnets In Debatatable Lands with George Macdonald Fraser and Eric Robson https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkDCQiLr3Zc
Mark Elliott
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sir_James_Douglas_heart_casket.JPG https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sasine_deed_1484_for_Robert_Elwald_%28Elliot%29,_Redheugh,_Larriston,_Hartsgarth.jpg https://elwald.com/clan-elliot-29th-chief-margaret-eliott-of-redhuegh-stobs/ The Balliol Roll The Balliol Roll, the earliest roll of arms for Scotland. It contains thirty-five shields of Scottish noblemen arranged beneath the arms of Sir Edward Balliol, king of Scots (c. 1282-1364), and was almost certainly composed for that ruler. Sr de Douglas – Argent, on a chief Azure three mullets of six points Argent pierced Gules Posted by William Douglas on April 25, 2019 https://douglashistory.ning.com/profiles/blogs/the-balliol-roll Genealogy is for getting family back together. The Douglas, Scott, Elliot (Elwald/Ellot), and Ker, feuded a lot during the sixteenth century. Today people who do not know genetic science such as FTDNA silence people. Scientists and family historians share information, and would never refer to someone as a ‘liar’. They would never put people in places to silence free speech, when those people know the best about their family line then anyone else. The one carrying the Y-DNA know far more than the one that does not. If someone refers to a carrier of the Y-DNA as a ‘liar’, or dismisses and silence people like Hitler silenced Jews in Germany, for his ‘superior race’ syndrome, like Harvard genealogy today and in the past is on FTDNA silencing people for the Harvard ‘superior race’ syndrome, then neither science or family history as the DNA Guide Team knows can not be accomplised; https://www.yourdnaguide.com/about . If one uses a measurement of a single significant digit such as 30 years a generation, and in TIP calculation comes out with an answer of four significant figures they do not know their mathematics at a very remedial level, and can not accept the concept of science use in family history. A very basic concept, that the math and the science are correct, it is the history that needs to be correct to fit the math and science. Those that silence information are not scientist or genealogists nor are they genetic genealogists, unless one excepts Harvard witch hanging science and Hitler’s silencing of Jew which knew science an share a famous for sharing science, unless you feel Hitler’s silencing is correct science then FTDNA must continue silencing feed speech on their FTDNA feeds. During the sixteenth century along the border of England and Scotland families feuded then were exiled to where the Brexit-EU https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3547747?dpr=2&fit=max&h=408&w=590 border is now in Ireland. https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/ Those family along that border were intermarried, to get out of The Trouble they moved to Germany, certainly not America which allow has corporation feeling they are American but silence free speech and therefore in action are not America. Pay for the data. Worked for a company supervising core drilling the company paid for the data. The data I paid for I shared, and other share for others to use but FTDNA robs my product from me they have these Harvard profs they allow to ‘claim jump’ my data. The are more corked then people claim Border Reivers were. Because of crocks like these imperial, Harvard status types or corp types, I am very proud do be among the Border Reiver which were spread from the UK throughout the would as ‘slaves’, including my family c1650 America.
Mark Elliott
click right to enlarge in new tab Armstrong, Elliot, Nixon, and Crozier of the Scottish Middle March, were exiled by protestant James VI of Scotland, who was taken from his Catholic mom, Marie Stuart, Queen of Scots. Who the protestant cousin the first Queen Elizabeth had beheaded, and when she died James VI of Scotland became James I of England also. So it was move and be exiled to basically County Fermanagh, or be exterminated. This happened by king James of now Scotland and England after Elizabeth died in 1603, by the army of the English. The Mechanics are basically the same, but to be family history the results for each family is different, that is what makes family history fun when doing ones own family is finding out about your particular family, and therefore getting to know ones self better. Elliott (personal prejudice) then Armstrong, with the Middle March families Scottish side, of Nixon and Crozier included; The process of finding family, is like having a black colt, and a corral full of horses, and looking for the colt’s mother. So in the corral you first clear out all those horses which Y-DNA, the stallions. The the old mares, because they are to old to have a young colt. Then the mares which are not black. The colt is a Shetland. So you clear out all those which are not Shetland, and then the ones which are not black, and left with two young black Shetland mares, but can not tell which one it the colt’s mother. Then you put family into the coral. Release the colt, and then the colt finds it’s mother. In genealogy, genetics can divide out family. My mother does not carry Y-DNA, blue eyed, and dad also, so I am likely blue eyed. With Y-DNA line Anglo-European, likely to share same surname. Brought up a Methodist, by a mother raised Catholic. The Methodist are on my Y-DNA side, so if Jews became Christians, the Christian Catholics, became Anglican then Episcopalian, then Methodist, overseas what would my family’s likely faith be. Likely be in a region of Methodist-Episcopalians-Anglicans, and may be normally Catholic. https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/ Family is living with Armstrong where they were exiled to Ireland, and the EU/Brexit border raps around us. But since I am born into as a Y-DNA male, blond haired blue eyed like chief Margaret, but hair a little darker, been our tribal Elliot 29th chief for over thirty years, and was doing genealogy when her father Sir Arthur was the 28th chief and of Redheugh, a fortress outpost the Ellot (Scot’s spelling without the French ‘i’). To not be ‘prejudice’, must be anti-WASP. Can’t help whether I was born that way. Armstrong, which guarded the border lands, and the Elliot which soldiered the Hermitage castle to kept the kingdoms of England and Scotland separate, the army of Scotland. Today’s Scottish Ministry have in their plans to build a Windy Edge Wind farm next to the Hermitage Castle the castle north of Redheugh which my ancestors soldiered over five hundred years ago. If Natives of American complain about a pipeline going through their land in American, Anglo Europeans are the first to indicate they are not prejudice. If I mention there is plans for a Windy Edge wind farm being built next to The Hermitage Castle which my Elliott Clan and 29th chief Margaret of Redheugh, https://elwald.com/clan-elliot-29th-chief-margaret-eliott-of-redhuegh-stobs/ (sure she thinks of me as some sort of wild west US ‘vagabond’) one is not prejudice if they do not defend my family’s indigenous lands, when defending indigenous lands of people of America. Race in genetics is not black or white. A black man can carry similar Y-DNA as myself. Racism is when you defend indigenous lands, of Native Americans, then genocide indigenous lands of my race, of people which lived between the kingdoms, and made for America a self governing nation of free speech and religious freedoms, not one which I am being silenced by admins, and a non US company FTDNA which allows that, because the constitution of my nation’s state no matter what color of skin you have, though you may have the basically the same gene, and a black-white marriage is not genetically an inter-racial marriage. Even if you are born white and your indigenous lands are overseas, one has the right to defend them as their ancestors did over five hundred years ago, even though they may have and can not help it being born a WASP male. – Wha Daur Meddle Wi’ Me? http://www.rampantscotland.com/poetry/blpoems_daur.htm Today’s chief Margaret resides across the Liddel Water in Redheugh from Park of ‘Wee Jock Elliot’. The Middle March Clan of the Scottish side of the border, the Armstrong, Elliot, Nixon and Crozier we stick together, do not care much what the others may say, we just pitch-in and feel the best will come of it. Over a half century ago, we were talking about peace on earth, and it was an Armstrong not on earth but on the moon which was talking to a Nixon on earth. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/President-Nixon-speaking-with-astronauts-Armstrong-and-Aldrin-on-the-Moon.mp4 The Elwald to become Ellot, acquired the lands of Redheugh and Larriston, in the fifteenth century; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sasine_deed_1484_for_Robert_Elwald_%28Elliot%29,_Redheugh,_Larriston,_Hartsgarth.jpg Heart of ‘Angus’ which passed the lands to Robert Elwald X, is on the right of Sir James Douglas carred but died in process the heart of Robert the Bruce; https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Heart-of-Douglas.jpg Robert the Bruce’s heart has not made it to Jerusalem. https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/robert-the-bruces-heart https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/immovable-ladder-church-holy-sepulchre
Mark Elliott
https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Gr%C3%BCnspan https://archive.org/details/chroniclesofarms00arms/page/77/mode/2up FTDNA Elks; https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/elks/about/background Elks Make a Dangerous Comeback in Germany A motorist killed one on a highway near Berlin. BySPIEGEL September 6, 2012, 1:19 PM 4 min read https://abcnews.go.com/International/elks-make-dangerous-comeback-germany/story?id=17173306#:~:text=An%20estimated%2010%20elks%20are%20roaming%20the%20German,research%20into%20the%20wildlife%20in%20the%20state%20 https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Aldano-filio-Alfwald-Alan-son-of-Elfwald.jpg “An early resident of Bec was Alanus Elfwold (1248).” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beck_Hall https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%86lfwald_I_of_Northumbria https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Gr%C3%BCnfeld It may be better to be a ‘green field’, instead of a ‘blank field’; https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Blankenfeld,1890:Gr%C3%BCnfeld
Mark Elliott
Bing image ‘FTDNA Elliot’. Know an ‘Elliott’ comes in first, but it is an Elliott Greenspan. Then it says us exile County Fermanagh, Elliott are related to those Eliott of Stobs. Do care not much for the aristocrat types, but our 29th Chief Margaret, her father was a Sir Arthur, and with help from mom and excellent family historian/genealogist. Like having a lady as chief, at lease those English will not make her an aristocrat. She is of Redheugh, and I am one of the thieving Elliot of Gorrenberry, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sasine_deed_1484_for_Robert_Elwald_%28Elliot%29,_Redheugh,_Larriston,_Hartsgarth.jpg but in a land transfer of lands William Elwald many great assisted a Robert Elwald in obtaining the lands of Redheugh which the chiefs including 29th chief Margaret. Do not have that aristocratic nature like the chief, and feels she likely thinks of me as a ‘vagabond’, from the wild west in the United States. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/The-Elliot-Clan-by-Newcastleton-Primary-School-Scots-Language-Project-2018-1.mp4
Mark Elliott
click right to enlarge in new tab https://named.publicprofiler.org/ The History of Liddesdale, Eskdale, Ewesdale, Wauchopedale and the …, Volume 1 By Robert Bruce Armstrong page 55 https://books.google.com/books?id=nFr7oQEACAAJ&q=Johnnestouns#v=snippet&q=Johnnestouns&f=false The history of Enniskillen with reference to some manors in co. Fermanagh, and other local subjects by Trimble, William Copeland, 1851-1941 https://archive.org/details/historyofenniski00trimrich/page/218/mode/2up ‘Sheep stealers from the north of England’: the Riding Clans in Ulster by Robert Bell https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/ Muster Roll for Tullyhogue (Tullaghoge) 1610 Transcribed by Teena http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland/genealogy/muster/tullyhogue1610.html
Mark Elliott
Surnames which migrated from Debatable Lands & Liddesdale to County Fermanagh (Maguire), Ulster Plantation. The History of Liddesdale, Eskdale, Ewesdale, Wauchopedale and the Debateable Land: By Robert Bruce Armstrong, Volume 1 Robert Bruce Armstrong D. Douglas, 1883 – “Debateable land” (Scotland) https://books.google.com/books/about/The_History_of_Liddesdale_Eskdale_Ewesda.html?id=nFr7oQEACAAJ Author best known for; The Irish and the Highland Harps Volume 1 of “Musical Instruments” by Robert Bruce Armstrong https://www.wirestrungharp.com/library/rba_harps/
Mark Elliott
Steel Bonnets In Debatatable Lands with George Macdonald Fraser and Eric Robson https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkDCQiLr3Zc Migration to Co Fermanagh, from Debatable Lands. They married the Irish. Could you believe the Irish treated them much better then the Kingdoms of Scotland and England especially when they were uniting and exterminating or exiling them. There is a Graham fish garth in film. ‘Sheep stealers from the north of England’: the Riding Clans in Ulster by Robert Bell https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/
Mark Elliott
click right to enlarge in new tab Armstrong, Elliot, Nixon, and Crozier of the Scottish Middle March, were exiled by protestant James VI of Scotland, who was taken from his Catholic mom, Marie Stuart, Queen of Scots. Who the protestant cousin the first Queen Elizabeth had beheaded, and when she died James VI of Scotland became James I of England also. So it was move and be exiled to basically County Fermanagh, or be exterminated. This happened by king James of now Scotland and England after Elizabeth died in 1603, by the army of the English. The Mechanics are basically the same, but to be family history the results for each family is different, that is what makes family history fun when doing ones own family is finding out about your particular family, and therefore getting to know ones self better. Elliott (personal prejudice) then Armstrong, with the Middle March families Scottish side, of Nixon and Crozier included; The process of finding family, is like having a black colt, and a corral full of horses, and looking for the colt’s mother. So in the corral you first clear out all those horses which Y-DNA, the stallions. The the old mares, because they are to old to have a young colt. Then the mares which are not black. The colt is a Shetland. So you clear out all those which are not Shetland, and then the ones which are not black, and left with two young black Shetland mares, but can not tell which one it the colt’s mother. Then you put family into the coral. Release the colt, and then the colt finds it’s mother. In genealogy, genetics can divide out family. My mother does not carry Y-DNA, blue eyed, and dad also, so I am likely blue eyed. With Y-DNA line Anglo-European, likely to share same surname. Brought up a Methodist, by a mother raised Catholic. The Methodist are on my Y-DNA side, so if Jews became Christians, the Christian Catholics, became Anglican then Episcopalian, then Methodist, overseas what would my family’s likely faith be. Likely be in a region of Methodist-Episcopalians-Anglicans, and may be normally Catholic. https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/ Family is living with Armstrong where they were exiled to Ireland, and the EU/Brexit border raps around us. But since I am born into as a Y-DNA male, blond haired blue eyed like chief Margaret, but hair a little darker, been our tribal Elliot 29th chief for over thirty years, and was doing genealogy when her father Sir Arthur was the 28th chief and of Redheugh, a fortress outpost the Ellot (Scot’s spelling without the French ‘i’). To not be ‘prejudice’, must be anti-WASP. Can’t help whether I was born that way. Armstrong, which guarded the border lands, and the Elliot which soldiered the Hermitage castle to kept the kingdoms of England and Scotland separate, the army of Scotland. Today’s Scottish Ministry have in their plans to build a Windy Edge Wind farm next to the Hermitage Castle the castle north of Redheugh which my ancestors soldiered over five hundred years ago. If Natives of American complain about a pipeline going through their land in American, Anglo Europeans are the first to indicate they are not prejudice. If I mention there is plans for a Windy Edge wind farm being built next to The Hermitage Castle which my Elliott Clan and 29th chief Margaret of Redheugh, https://elwald.com/clan-elliot-29th-chief-margaret-eliott-of-redhuegh-stobs/ (sure she thinks of me as some sort of wild west US ‘vagabond’) one is not prejudice if they do not defend my family’s indigenous lands, when defending indigenous lands of people of America. Race in genetics is not black or white. A black man can carry similar Y-DNA as myself. Racism is when you defend indigenous lands, of Native Americans, then genocide indigenous lands of my race, of people which lived between the kingdoms, and made for America a self governing nation of free speech and religious freedoms, not one which I am being silenced by admins, and a non US company FTDNA which allows that, because the constitution of my nation’s state no matter what color of skin you have, though you may have the basically the same gene, and a black-white marriage is not genetically an inter-racial marriage. Even if you are born white and your indigenous lands are overseas, one has the right to defend them as their ancestors did over five hundred years ago, even though they may have and can not help it being born a WASP male. – Wha Daur Meddle Wi’ Me? http://www.rampantscotland.com/poetry/blpoems_daur.htm The Middle March Clan of the Scottish side of the border, the Armstrong, Elliot, Nixon and Crozier we stick together, do not care much what the others may say, we just pitch-in and feel the best will come of it. Over a half century ago, we were talking about peace on earth, and it was an Armstrong not on earth but on the moon which was talking to a Nixon on earth. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/President-Nixon-speaking-with-astronauts-Armstrong-and-Aldrin-on-the-Moon.mp4 The Elwald to become Ellot, acquired the lands of Redheugh and Larriston, in the fifteenth century; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sasine_deed_1484_for_Robert_Elwald_%28Elliot%29,_Redheugh,_Larriston,_Hartsgarth.jpg Heart of ‘Angus’ which passed the lands to Robert Elwald X, is on the right of Sir James Douglas carred but died in process the heart of Robert the Bruce; https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Heart-of-Douglas.jpg Like
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We Routledges were right in there too along side the Armstrongs and Nixons
Brian Routledge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Routledge_surname_15th_to_18th_centuries#cite_note-72 “In 1606, border authorities hatched a scheme to rid the country of the worst malefactors by transporting them to the Plantation of Ulster, a British colony in Northern Ireland seized from Irish owners after the Nine Years’ War. Most of the colonists came from England and Scotland, some of them having been forced to settle there. The Grahams of Cumberland were especially targeted for transportation, along with other “dangerous” reivers. “The Bishop of Carlisle, writing to the Earl of Salisbury in 1606, stated that the Routledges, “have been as offensive as the Grames [sic] though not so powerful.” Citation: Giuseppi, M S (1940). “Calendar of the Cecil Papers in Hatfield House: Vol 18”. British History Online. pp. 288–306.
Mark Elliott
http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/countyMapper.html Likely names so old that they were drawn from the same Y-DNA body. Armstrong not likely a NPE, neither Irwin. The name spellings Irwin and Rutledge found strong in Ulster. Though Armstrong, Elliot, Nixon and Crozier are of the Scottish Middle Marches, the surname Crozier is not included in the software. The percent for Armstrong would be likely higher with a combined Routledge-Rutledge surname.
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Brian Routledge
I should reiterate, and perhaps Mark Elliott will agree, that DNA can only support NOT replace a well-documented, accurate family tree. Also a willingness to share with other researchers is crucial and easily accomplished by making use of help-aids already facilitated by FTDNA. If you haven’t already, please take a moment to fill in place and date details of your earliest known ancestor. If you haven’t already, please do upload a family tree or create a basic one online, and don’t forget to include aunts, uncles, and other outlier surnames from your past whether or not they be Armstrongs, Elliotts, Nixons, Croziers and others from our Border Reiver history.
Mark Elliott
It is felt that these border families adopted surnames later than others. Live in Gallup, New Mexico, and the county mainly Navajo which has adopted their surnames with-in basically the last one-hundred and fifty years. There is even a line of Navajo with surname Elliott. If surnames are of cousins of the same father and different surnames are adopted, then these surnames tough having the same or similar Y-DNA are not NPEs. The border people utilized like Anglo-Scandinavian, a later surname adoption, finding about the late fourteenth century to time of assessment early sixteenth century in the adoptions of surnames in the Borderlands. So cousins in the border land would adopt surnames like Routledge, Armstrong, Nixon, and so on, but end up showing it so on the DNA, these would not be NPEs but people which are genetic cousins adopting surname name from the same but branching Y-DNA line. The Armstrong and Irwin in above is a good example of this. It is when surnames are not showing similar localities such as the Debatable land region of Scotland when they are NPEs. All in the above are therefore at one time of the same locality which matches well with the Debatable Lands of the Scottish-English western border, such as Cumberland indicated above. Northumberland is near also. Should not be any question in the region this group obtained their Y-DNA.
Mark Elliott
It is natural to have which I have a bias towards ones own family. In doing your family research it is slow at times but with the more time you put it speeds up. Can give pointers to help group and speed your research, but if I tell you your family history, it is I which will be in great error, and you the most accurate. It is like separating out the mare, the colts mother in a coral of horses, knowing it is black, and in the end you end up with three black mares. Then you send in the colt, and you find out then who it’s mother is. Without documentation and cross documentation, one can make error and have to redo their way of thinking. So always cross check and recheck things future research is based on, so you do not have to go back far to correct it. It is like taking out stitches the further one travels beyond an incorrect stitch the more which have to be taken out. Like it is said, ‘a stitch in time, saves nine’.
Mark Elliott
Mark Elliott
It is much easier to use a Harvard College Cotton Mather approach to DNA, as FTDNA does. The admins have the power to silence from the feed. Once done the feed is no longer genealogical, because one does not kick out the ‘in-laws’ though they may want to, and it becomes as mathematical and scientific as a TIP calculator which measure 30 years/gen at one significant figure and comes out with an answer at four significant figures, where it is not being corrected. The data is still usable and shows this is what my Y-DNA line said about the accusers in Salem, 28 MAR 1692; Need references for those which are Harvard types and believe genealogy and science is based on silencing. No references are needed for those which are ‘status quo’ Harvard historians, and publish what the ‘status quo’ Harvard profs as the Harvard judges wanted to hear during the Salem Witch Trials; Kicking people off FTDNA feeds for doing and sharing family history research, and applying DNA to it is the same in the symbolic sense of Harvard hanging witches. https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Daniel-Elliot-Salem-1692-testimony.jpg https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/ECS-Daniel-group-history-1.png https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/A6724.jpg Rich Rucker a German surname matches many Armstrong Y-DNA along with me is silenced by Armstrong FTDNA. ‘Armstrong FTDNA’ may hold the numbers but of Gorrenberry in images also am doing great, and I hold the numbers. Genealogists, and scientist, actual genetic scientists, research around FTDNA, though applying the data in family finding. Those who believe in the Harvard ‘status quo’ watch Harvard present itself on PBS, but BYU people are born into it and are far superior to Harvard. They are the only school to have a four year program in genealogy. FTDNA was started by Jews and they have a long tribal history. Though people may believe everything written in books of spirituality as being incorrect these people are not genealogists.
Mark Elliott
click on right open in new tab to enlarge image https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:R%C3%BCcker,1890:Gr%C3%BCnberg,1890:Ewald Grünberg (Greenmountain), Germany, https://s.meyersgaz.org/search?search=Gr%C3%BCnberg https://www.google.com/maps/place/Gr%C3%BCnberg,+09573+Augustusburg,+Germany/@50.8275203,13.1001976,15z/ Rücker (regulator) https://s.meyersgaz.org/search?search=R%C3%BCcker Elwald (Ewald; Forst/Forest) https://s.meyersgaz.org/search?search=Ewald Census surname cluster Poland-Berlin where ‘elk'(moose), are returning to. https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/wild-elks-return-to-germany-a-853581.html Match a Grünberg exactly in twelve markers, and am two markers off a Rücker of Rotherburg, Germany; https://www.google.com/maps/place/Rothenburg,+Germany/@51.3563185,14.794281,11z/ I-M253 Elliott-Fairbairn Fair Bear story traveling out of Germany onto borderland into Co, Fermanagh, Ulster, Ireland; https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3227966?dpr=2&fit=max&h=538&w=590 https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Fairbairn-I-M253-Elliott-Viking-add-mix-James-Irvine-Irwin-FTDNA.png https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/James-M.-Irvine-Fairbairn-Elliott-I-M253-1024×630.jpg Admin Cyndi Rutledge knows about the Dane DNA. Chronicles of the Armstrongs; ed by Armstrong, James Lewis MD 1902 https://archive.org/details/chroniclesofarms00arms/page/n13/mode/2up Margaret Eliott of Redheugh is Clan Elliot’s 29th chief; https://elwald.com/clan-elliot-29th-chief-margaret-eliott-of-redhuegh-stobs/ Cyndi nor chief carry Y-DNA, someone else has to carry it for them, like I for the chief. Dad had a blond haired twin; https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Loren-Lois-Jack-Elliotts.png Grandma Ilah Spencer Elliott took photo, on Eastman-Kodak Brownie given size of negative no. 2 camera. LED lighting behind negative photo taken with smart phone. Imaging freeware used; https://www.irfanview.com/ reverse negative to positive by a negative image of the negative. -(-)=+ two negatives multiplied make a positive. Chief and I are within a year of age. Will not disclose who’s older, because I want to keep my head. Don’t say anything about this to chief; likely thinks I’m some sort of ‘vagabond’ from the ‘wild west’, USA. Anyone which shows the shield of Sir James Douglas with a stag, must be good people to me. Bruces heart was added latter. https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Heart-of-Douglas.jpg Archibald ‘Bell the Cat’ Douglas fifth earl of Angus with assistance of many great William Elwald of Gorrenberry, passed lands of Redheugh to Robert Elwald the clan’s tenth chief. Not of Redheugh chieftain line, but of William Elwald of Gorrenberry line. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sasine_deed_1484_for_Robert_Elwald_28%Elliot29%,_Redheugh,_Larriston,_Hartsgarth.jpg It is for those Harvard ‘status quo’ pseudo genealogists which believe in ‘kicking out the in-laws’. Those Hitlers which use top German scientist to prove his ‘superior race’, those followers of McCarthy of McCarthyism, which think those witting plays like Jewish linked Arthur Miller; ‘The Crucible’ which wrote a play on Elizabeth Proctor which my Y-DNA line defended 28 MAR 1692. She lived because she was with child, but her husband was not with child and he was hung by Harvard judges and the pseudo science of Harvard Cotton Mather as a witch. My granddad did not stand alone on the defense of Elizabeth Proctor, a Samuel Barton, which Clar Barton, Oxford, MA, of the American Red Cross is descended from. Also stood in defense of Elizabeth Proctor. In order to be an American Company, in order to do genealogy, and genetics based on science one has to have free speech like in the Family History Library in Salt Lake City, Utah.
Brian Routledge
Please explain how this all-Elliott information has anything whatsoever to do with this Rutledge/Routledge project.
Mark Elliott
Shows that the Armstrong and I as an Elwald-Elliott travel up through England, where you today find the Routledge, and Ellwood (Elliott). That border people lived as intermarried families in both kingdoms, but as reivers are of the borders not of kingdoms. When the border was placed it was places through families. Genealogy is family history.
Mark Elliott
Though ‘wee Jock’, stabbed Bothwell, (Billhouse of Thomas of Mangerton brother to Johnnie ‘Gilnockie’) we supported his wife, Catholic Marie Stuart of France. Put us high on her son’s who was take by the Protestants hit list. Mother being behead by cousin Elizabeth he became James VI of Scotland then after Elizabeth died he became king of England the Armstrong, Elliot, and Nixon were number one, two and three on his hit list, which he used the English army for. Banished from both kingdoms in 1607 moved to Country Fermanagh where the EU/Brexit bordered is rapped around it fought as Royalists against Cromwell and the Tories laugh at us being transported as slaves to the Colonies. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/SELLING-SCOTS-AS-SLAVES-IS-FUNNY-TO-THE-TORIES-2.mp4 We showed those Tories with help from those French what we can do in making a new nation. Charles II which we supported became king and his descendant Prince Williams is in line for the throne. The Buccluech did help the chieftain line survive with a large dowry when Gilbert married into the Scott of Harden, his grandson Gilbert became Sir Gilbert, first aristocracy for the Elliot. Exile and kill the border people then make knights among what was left. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/President-Nixon-speaking-with-astronauts-Armstrong-and-Aldrin-on-the-Moon.mp4 Both the Armstrong and Nixon are like my family have Liddesdale, Scotland ancestral Y-DNA lines. Recognize any of the above names in the 1610 Tyrone Ulster muster/ http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland/genealogy/muster/tullyhogue1610.html See any on 1963 County Fermanagh map? https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Armstrong-Elliott-Johnston-Fermanagh-surname-distribution-map.jpg County Fermanagh Borderers married the native Irish, and fought on the Irish side against Cromwell as Anglican Hamiltonian Royalists; https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-728cbedd041da87ec9bdf60f42b4da22 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Cromwells-invasion-of-Ireland-Why-Does-Everyone-Hate-The-English.mp4 https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3370631?dpr=2&fit=max&h=258&w=590
Mark Elliott
https://named.publicprofiler.org/ John Routledge June 30 @ 8:50am R(o)utledge is a place name, an area at the head of Tarras Moss in Scotland as Tom Routledge our administrator has recently discovered by a lot of :sleuthing”.and we were close neighbours to the Mangerton Armstrongs, If you look on the Armstrong DNA website you will notice a Routledge line. https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Buccleuch-lands-of-Mangerton-Gorrenberry-Whithaugh-and-Elliot-of-Midlem-mill.png Thomas Armistrang amrystrong Armstrong of Mangerton, brother to Johnnie Armstrong called Gilnockie owned land called Billhouse to the west of Gorrenberry. https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Labeling-Jacobs-Windy-Edge-map-2-1024×689-2-1024×689.jpg ‘Meriantoun’, is Mangerton. (did not know 500 years later that I would as an Elliott still be defending The Hermitage Castle this time from a wind farm not called Hermitage Castle but by an extremely obscure name from region ‘Windy Edge’) It is likely that family rode with Gilnockie to meet with James V king of Scotland in 1530. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Lori-Watson-Johnnie-Armstrang.mp4 “The Chief of the Armestrongs, Rowteleages and Nycsones of Lyddesdale offered Sir Thos. Wharton to serve the King with 100 Horse and 100 foot and be sworn the King’s Subjects, and dwell in Lyddesdale or the Batable Ground or in England, if they might have their friends, now prisoners at Carlisle and Alnwick, relaesed, who were taken at the burning of Sleyley, and to release four Englishmen whom they took there” 12th June 1543 IE Armstrong, Routledge, and Nixon of Liddesdale. https://electricscotland.com/webclans/ntor/routledge2.html Routledges – The Forgotten Scots By Tom Routledge Very understandable the sharing of Y-DNA. Though I try my best to support the Armstrong, Rich Rucker and myself have been having difficulties being allowed to stay in the FTDNA Armstrong feed; https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3212106?dpr=2&fit=max&h=408&w=590 route Rout n.1] a. intr. To join a group. b. To join an armed band; to assemble under arms. c. tr. To ride over as an armed band. — https://dsl.ac.uk/entry/dost/rout_v_2 Ledge, n. [e.m.E. ledge, ME. legge (c 1330) a ledge on a door or the like, a raised edging round a board, a ledge on a wall or cliff.] https://dsl.ac.uk/entry/dost/ledge Do not claim either the Monarchy of England or Scotland, Dand Ellot Scotland was banished from both kingdoms in 1607. Border Reivers had no kingdom. To a Reiver the discussion whether one is from the kingdom of England or Scotland they were of the border people which included people of both sides of the border. Crozier and Elliot are listed as allied clans to the Armstrong. R(o)utledge are also allied to the Armstrong. Get the Armstrong to recognize the R(o)utledge as an allied clan. Allied clans Clan Elliot Clan Moffat Clan Crozier If those Moffat are recognized as an allied clan certainly the R(o)utledge can be. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/The-Reivers-Making-of-the-Borders-Alistair-Moffat-2.mp4
Mark Elliott
click right mouse button on image to open enlarged in new tab Should be noted that R(o)utledge surname does not go back as far as some surnames based on wildlife like the bear, wolf, and elk (moose). Elk and it’s predators man and wolf (dog) seem to migrate similar paths;https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/German-wolves.gif
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R(o)utledge is a place name, an area at the head of Tarras Moss in Scotland as Tom Routledge our administrator has recently discovered by a lot of :sleuthing”.and we were close neighbours to the Mangerton Armstrongs, If you look on the Armstrong DNA website you will notice a Routledge line.
William Rutledge
Hi, I maintain my Uncle’s account from which I am posting. He has a zero distance DNA match that has no autosomal matches. That means they have a common male ancestor that is so far back that autosomal has washed out. Zero distance meaning there was no mutuations of DNA. All the other matches have distances, even known connections, so that is wild. I feel as if I can work his match’s tree up far enough I might be able to work it down from there to break my long-standing brick wall. I am related to the familiar John D. Rutledge. He is my Uncle’s 3rd cousin. The line goes up to James Rutledge born 1790 in North Carolina. I do not see John’s DNA match listed on here anymore, but I do not believe it was a zero distance. The zero distance match has ancestry, I believe to Virginia, so my idea is that my line in North Carolina will also go back to Virginia. I really do not want to post here and would rather email with someone. We also have a Facebook group to attempt to solve this match. Edit: Is it odd that John D. Rutledge shows up on autosmal match list here at FTDNA, but not the Y match list? I do need help. Cheryl
Sean Rutledge
Michael Rutledge. Sorry for the delay in replying. I missed your post. In any case, I don’t know how to reply as I’m not aware than anyone named Harry Milton has tested BigY700. I’ll check around and get back to you.
Sean Rutledge
Michael Rutledge. Milton is Rafferty’s earliest known ancestor.
Michael Rutledge
Thanks Sean, was the addition of Harry Milton Rutledge a recent change to Rafferty’s earliest known Ancestor? I don’t remember him being listed on the BigY search chart before (but I don’t have a great memory 😉
Michael Rutledge
Hi Cheryl … I have joined your group and look forward to your emails concerning our line. Unfortunately , I am not one of the serious researchers and so I rely on the folks here to put the puzzle pieces together in a way that I can understand.
Jathan Pfeifle
I am a direct Rutledge descendant (on my father’s mother’s line). Unfortunately I cannot afford at the present time to have a Y-DNA test done as I am on a limited budget. (My Gedmatch # is GL7208290 for anyone who wishes to look into it). My known Rutledge line in America traces back to Edmud RUTLEDGE (b. 1768 in Maryland) married to Elizabeth (no last name). I descend through their son, Thomas, who was born in York Co., Pennsylvania in 1807, and married Mary Elizabeth MARKS in 1821. Thomas and Mary were my 4th great grandparents. I would love to hear from anyone with any further information on my family line.
Diane Schmid Redfern
Welcome Jathan Pfeifle. Presumably you know that a Y-DNA test will only tell you about your paternal pathway (father to grandfather to great grandfather. . .etc back to prehistoric times) . Hopefully, your autosomal (FF test) will put you in contact with possible Rutledge ancestors as it covers all of your ancestors on both paternal and maternal sides.
J R
Is there someplace I should be posting my PROVEN research? I am looking at my Y-DNA matches and have been verifying research on the matches. I have been successful on a few, but others, once I get so far back and can find no proof of a relationship in the matches tree, have not been successful in getting responses, or have been met with hostility. If your farthest known ancestor does not stand up to peer review, what good is the study? Yes, I understand there is a place where we all go to guessing, but when a person puts forward in a tree that son X is the product of parent Y, but parent Y has no son named X in his probate, or other records, and I politely ask what proof that person has of the parentage, I expect that person to share their proof.
Diane Schmid Redfern
J R: >>Is there someplace I should be posting my PROVEN research? >> I presume you mean a properly documented family tree including citations pointing to historic sources, such as government birth, marriage, death records, census records, wills, manor/estate records and the like. A Family Tree posted on your FTDNA file is helpful to other researchers only as a guide but, unfortunately, does not include space for documentation. Instead, you could: include details on your profile that point readers to a tree you have published to other publicly available ancestry websites, such as www.wikitree.com; www.familySearch.org; or www.gedmatch.com
Diane Schmid Redfern
J R: >>and I politely ask what proof that person has of the parentage, I expect that person to share their proof>> I understand your frustration. All serious researchers meet with indifference or some sort of perceived rudeness. I know no remedy, except to persevere on my own path and let others do as they please.
Mark Elliott
If you get rid of family, even the ‘in-laws’, your family tree can not be correct. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullykelter_Castle For the Brigham researchers note on map it is ‘Whitley’ not ‘Whitney’, below those Wilson. What kind of Irish name is ‘Wilson’ anyway? https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/President-Obama-on-the-influence-of-Ulster-settlers-on-America..mp4 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/From-Ulster-to-US-surname-Wilson.mp4 Now ‘Elliott’ that is Irish (1607-1650). Family fought for king Charles II, as Royalists on side of Irish, and ended up in America; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Cromwells-invasion-of-Ireland-Why-Does-Everyone-Hate-The-English.mp4 The Anglican and Catholic farmers on both sides of the EU-Brexit line, are inter-married since an Armstrong married a Maguire Princess in the day of Cromwell and Charles II and are still on the same side NO BORDER IN IRELAND. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/President-Nixon-speaking-with-astronauts-Armstrong-and-Aldrin-on-the-Moon.mp4 “A sixteenth century traveller in what was known as the ‘cockpit’ of the Borders, on finding no churches, asked a Borderer ‘Are there no Christians in Liddesdale?’. To which he was answered ‘Na, we’s all Elliots and Armstrongs’!” https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/ Brigham people, see it is ‘Whitley’, not ‘Whitney’, on above map, below that Irish name ‘Wilson’. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Armstrong-Elliott-Johnston-Fermanagh-surname-distribution-map.jpg Can not leave out the Elliott chief; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Reiver-Trail-Magaret-Eliott-chief.mp4 Like
Mark Elliott
Click right button then ‘Open image in new tab’ for enlargement. https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Johnson/default.aspx?section=yresults https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Carruthers?iframe=yresults Wonder where that I-CTS11603 Y-DNA is from. https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Carruthers likely from a single male I-CTS11603 Y-DNA, which does not seem to have any matches to the Brus/Bruce family but relation of Mouswald Carruthers, seem to share the same shield with the Pickering of Oswaldkirk, Yorkshire, Brus/Bruce family relations. Noted, share Y-DNA first 12 markers with Cave ‘de Cave’, and Scarborough. The Bruce had land of Cave, North and South, in east Riding Yorkshire, and in Annandale, land also of the Nicholas Stuteville (Nicholforest), and Wake families. The Stuteville had land of Gresham Castle, and Scarborough region, also of The Mote, which had Liddel Strength Castle on it of the Wake and Stuteville. No previous is pretty rough, but feel people are checking the research. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Clan-Johnston.mp4
Mark Elliott
Listen to the chief though she may think of me as a wild west US ‘vagabond’; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/The-Elliot-Clan-by-Newcastleton-Primary-School-Scots-Language-Project-2018-1.mp4 To Derek James Stewart ‘Wha daur Meddle wi Me?’ Mark Stephen Elliott http://www.rampantscotland.com/poetry/blpoems_daur.htm
Mark Elliott
https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3542370?dpr=2&fit=max&h=283&w=590 A Dictionary of the Older Scottish Tongue (up to 1700) https://dsl.ac.uk/entry/dost/riddill_v Riddil(l, v. Also: ryddill, rid(d)le. [ME and e.m.E. ridle(n (Ancr. R.), rydelyn (Prompt. Parv.), riddle (1570); Riddil(l n.2] tr. 1. To sift or refine by passing through a riddle. fig., with personal object, after Luke xxii 31 (see also Nisbet, after Purvey). https://www.google.com/maps/place/Riddell,+Melrose+TD6+9JP,+UK/@55.5090501,-2.7729008,15z/ https://www.google.com/maps/place/Whitton,+Kelso+TD5+8QX,+UK/@55.4833322,-2.3920878,15z/ https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ryedale+District,+UK/@54.1981063,-1.1221973,10z/ Do not in a family search, get rid of the in-laws, though you may want to.
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https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3541644?dpr=2&fit=max&h=288&w=590 For the Moffat ally; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/The-Reivers-Making-of-the-Borders-Alistair-Moffat-2.mp4 For the R-L193 Crozier-Elliott relatives; Group 4 – R1b-L21 > L193 (predicted) Matching to Elliotts. 319301 Crosier Adam Crosier (b. 1751 in Scotland, d. 1829) Scotland R-M269 429646 Crozier John Crozier born 1782 Durham died? England R-BY14138 https://gorrenberry.com/elliot-glendinning-r-l193-sub-l513/ Of Scottish Middle March; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/President-Nixon-speaking-with-astronauts-Armstrong-and-Aldrin-on-the-Moon.mp4 https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/
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https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3537637?dpr=2&fit=max&h=186&w=590 FTDNA R-L513 and Subclades The reason for the R-U106 and R-193 match, is that it is many generations ago, and the names evolved from Elwald/Ewald of Germany, Ellwood (North England), Ellot (Angus/Scotlan), Ellot + Eliot (England/France) became Elliot c.1650, family was in arrival to the American Colony them. Migration from Scotland to Ulster to America also took place with the R-L193 Glendinning of Glendinning Scotland, County Tyrone Ulster, Ireland, and into Mt. Ayr, Iowa, Rice Township Ringgold County, USA of my family of Elliott. https://elwald.com/ftdna-r-l513-and-subclades/ https://gorrenberry.com/ftdna-r-l513-and-subclades/
Mark Elliott
Mark Elliott
https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3534525?dpr=2&fit=max&h=319&w=590 https://www.google.com/maps/place/The+Old+Schoolhouse+-+Glendinning+Farm+Cottages/@55.2530267,-3.1060402,17z/ https://maps.nls.uk/view/00000400#zoom=5&lat=3690&lon=5085&layers=BT https://dsl.ac.uk/entry/dost/glen_n_1 https://dsl.ac.uk/entry/dost/dinning https://dsl.ac.uk/entry/dost/mont_v https://dsl.ac.uk/entry/dost/air_n_2 Would you believe it, that the Glendenning, are from Glendinning? Glendenning census distribution ‘hot spot’, Glendinning, Scotland, UK, and sub-‘hot spot’, County Tyrone, Ulster, Ireland. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Glendinning-n-300×300.jpg Glendinning and Ellott (ie Elliott) of County Tyrone, Ireland 1610; http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland/genealogy/muster/tullyhogue1610.html
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https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Gilnockie-Armstrongs-History.mp4 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Lori-Watson-Johnnie-Armstrang.mp4 Puppet government of England after they killed and exiled the Armstrong and Elliott, which kept them independent of the Kingdom of England has plans for their wind farm company Muirhall to place a wind farm next to the home place of Clan Elliott the Hermitage Castle to top off the genocide of the Elliott they started in 1600, and before that in 1530 with the hanging of Ginockie and the Elliott which rode with him.
Mark Elliott
Mark Elliott
Note ‘Sinclair’ movement above; http://www.stclairresearch.com/content/groupingsVa-R-L193-DNA.html https://gorrenberry.com/elliot-glendinning-r-l193-sub-l513/ Like
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https://books.google.com/books?id=DZhYAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA166&dq=Hermitage+Riddall&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj3vZrO3ObmAhUECs0KHZ65Ct0Q6AEwAHoECAAQAg#v=onepage&q=Hermitage%20Riddall&f=false https://www.google.com/maps/place/Hermitage+Castle/@55.2560367,-2.7954197,17z/
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https://dsl.ac.uk/entry/dost/riddill_n_1
Whitton Tower, near the village of Morebattle in Roxburgh, is typical of the smaller border towers. Strongly-built with the local sandstone, its walls are five feet thick and it is vaulted at both basement and upper floor. When first constructed it would have been surrounded by a barmkin wall. Today, it presents a pitiful appearance with its ruined walls rising above farm buildings.
https://www.scottishcastlesassociation.com/news/articles/warfare-whitton-cessford-castle.htm
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Whitton,+Kelso+TD5+8QX,+UK/@55.483638,-2.3941702,14.42z/
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https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ryedale+District,+UK/@53.5460475,0.0815314,8.1z/
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Since the Buell name is English, and the Riddle form is most used above, closer to that of Riddle with their I-M223, which is low in numbers in the borderlands, it is felt that these are of England, and these Riddle could likely with more research found to be of Yorkshire.
Ellot Ellott Elliot Elliott are found concentrated in County Fermanagh, Ulster, Ireland with the border Armstrong, and Johnston.
‘Sheep stealers from the north of England’: the Riding Clans in Ulster by Robert Bell
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Forgotten Grandeur ⚜️…..Clan Riddell Estate Scottish Borders 2019
1/3/2020 MSE
A true and exact history of the island of Barbados | Project Gutenberg
Tullykelter-to-America 3/1/2012 Mark Elliott PDF FTDNA Greenspan – ElwaldFamilySearch
The book of Scots-Irish family names – FamilySearch
The book of Scots-Irish family names. Title Also Known As: Book of Ulster surnames|Ulster surnames|Scots-Irish family names. Statement of Responsibility: Robert Bell. Authors: Bell, Robert, 1953- (Main Author) Format: Books/Monographs.
Daniel Elliot (1637–1704) FamilySearch
https://ancestors.familysearch.org/en/LTWJ-FQQ/daniel-elliot-1637-1704
Discover life events, stories and photos about Daniel Elliot (1637–1704) of Tullykelter, County Fermanagh, Ireland … English and Scottish: variant of Elliott .
http://forebears.io/surnames/rosenberg
Namensverbreitungskarte – Verein für Computergenealogie (genealogy.net)
https://www.google.com/maps/place/73494+Rosenberg,+Germany/@48.9997749,9.9950977,12.46z/
https://www.google.com/maps/place/4624+Rosenberg,+Austria/@48.896487,4.1784944,5.5z/
https://s.meyersgaz.org/search?search=Rosenberg
Mark ElliottSteel Bonnets In Debatatable Lands with George Macdonald Fraser and Eric Robson https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkDCQiLr3Zc
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Mark Elliotthttps://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sir_James_Douglas_heart_casket.JPG https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sasine_deed_1484_for_Robert_Elwald_%28Elliot%29,_Redheugh,_Larriston,_Hartsgarth.jpg https://elwald.com/clan-elliot-29th-chief-margaret-eliott-of-redhuegh-stobs/ The Balliol Roll The Balliol Roll, the earliest roll of arms for Scotland. It contains thirty-five shields of Scottish noblemen arranged beneath the arms of Sir Edward Balliol, king of Scots (c. 1282-1364), and was almost certainly composed for that ruler. Sr de Douglas – Argent, on a chief Azure three mullets of six points Argent pierced Gules Posted by William Douglas on April 25, 2019 https://douglashistory.ning.com/profiles/blogs/the-balliol-roll Genealogy is for getting family back together. The Douglas, Scott, Elliot (Elwald/Ellot), and Ker, feuded a lot during the sixteenth century. Today people who do not know genetic science such as FTDNA silence people. Scientists and family historians share information, and would never refer to someone as a ‘liar’. They would never put people in places to silence free speech, when those people know the best about their family line then anyone else. The one carrying the Y-DNA know far more than the one that does not. If someone refers to a carrier of the Y-DNA as a ‘liar’, or dismisses and silence people like Hitler silenced Jews in Germany, for his ‘superior race’ syndrome, like Harvard genealogy today and in the past is on FTDNA silencing people for the Harvard ‘superior race’ syndrome, then neither science or family history as the DNA Guide Team knows can not be accomplised; https://www.yourdnaguide.com/about . If one uses a measurement of a single significant digit such as 30 years a generation, and in TIP calculation comes out with an answer of four significant figures they do not know their mathematics at a very remedial level, and can not accept the concept of science use in family history. A very basic concept, that the math and the science are correct, it is the history that needs to be correct to fit the math and science. Those that silence information are not scientist or genealogists nor are they genetic genealogists, unless one excepts Harvard witch hanging science and Hitler’s silencing of Jew which knew science an share a famous for sharing science, unless you feel Hitler’s silencing is correct science then FTDNA must continue silencing feed speech on their FTDNA feeds. During the sixteenth century along the border of England and Scotland families feuded then were exiled to where the Brexit-EU https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3547747?dpr=2&fit=max&h=408&w=590 border is now in Ireland. https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/ Those family along that border were intermarried, to get out of The Trouble they moved to Germany, certainly not America which allow has corporation feeling they are American but silence free speech and therefore in action are not America. Pay for the data. Worked for a company supervising core drilling the company paid for the data. The data I paid for I shared, and other share for others to use but FTDNA robs my product from me they have these Harvard profs they allow to ‘claim jump’ my data. The are more corked then people claim Border Reivers were. Because of crocks like these imperial, Harvard status types or corp types, I am very proud do be among the Border Reiver which were spread from the UK throughout the would as ‘slaves’, including my family c1650 America.
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Mark Elliottclick right to enlarge in new tab Armstrong, Elliot, Nixon, and Crozier of the Scottish Middle March, were exiled by protestant James VI of Scotland, who was taken from his Catholic mom, Marie Stuart, Queen of Scots. Who the protestant cousin the first Queen Elizabeth had beheaded, and when she died James VI of Scotland became James I of England also. So it was move and be exiled to basically County Fermanagh, or be exterminated. This happened by king James of now Scotland and England after Elizabeth died in 1603, by the army of the English. The Mechanics are basically the same, but to be family history the results for each family is different, that is what makes family history fun when doing ones own family is finding out about your particular family, and therefore getting to know ones self better. Elliott (personal prejudice) then Armstrong, with the Middle March families Scottish side, of Nixon and Crozier included; The process of finding family, is like having a black colt, and a corral full of horses, and looking for the colt’s mother. So in the corral you first clear out all those horses which Y-DNA, the stallions. The the old mares, because they are to old to have a young colt. Then the mares which are not black. The colt is a Shetland. So you clear out all those which are not Shetland, and then the ones which are not black, and left with two young black Shetland mares, but can not tell which one it the colt’s mother. Then you put family into the coral. Release the colt, and then the colt finds it’s mother. In genealogy, genetics can divide out family. My mother does not carry Y-DNA, blue eyed, and dad also, so I am likely blue eyed. With Y-DNA line Anglo-European, likely to share same surname. Brought up a Methodist, by a mother raised Catholic. The Methodist are on my Y-DNA side, so if Jews became Christians, the Christian Catholics, became Anglican then Episcopalian, then Methodist, overseas what would my family’s likely faith be. Likely be in a region of Methodist-Episcopalians-Anglicans, and may be normally Catholic. https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/ Family is living with Armstrong where they were exiled to Ireland, and the EU/Brexit border raps around us. But since I am born into as a Y-DNA male, blond haired blue eyed like chief Margaret, but hair a little darker, been our tribal Elliot 29th chief for over thirty years, and was doing genealogy when her father Sir Arthur was the 28th chief and of Redheugh, a fortress outpost the Ellot (Scot’s spelling without the French ‘i’). To not be ‘prejudice’, must be anti-WASP. Can’t help whether I was born that way. Armstrong, which guarded the border lands, and the Elliot which soldiered the Hermitage castle to kept the kingdoms of England and Scotland separate, the army of Scotland. Today’s Scottish Ministry have in their plans to build a Windy Edge Wind farm next to the Hermitage Castle the castle north of Redheugh which my ancestors soldiered over five hundred years ago. If Natives of American complain about a pipeline going through their land in American, Anglo Europeans are the first to indicate they are not prejudice. If I mention there is plans for a Windy Edge wind farm being built next to The Hermitage Castle which my Elliott Clan and 29th chief Margaret of Redheugh, https://elwald.com/clan-elliot-29th-chief-margaret-eliott-of-redhuegh-stobs/ (sure she thinks of me as some sort of wild west US ‘vagabond’) one is not prejudice if they do not defend my family’s indigenous lands, when defending indigenous lands of people of America. Race in genetics is not black or white. A black man can carry similar Y-DNA as myself. Racism is when you defend indigenous lands, of Native Americans, then genocide indigenous lands of my race, of people which lived between the kingdoms, and made for America a self governing nation of free speech and religious freedoms, not one which I am being silenced by admins, and a non US company FTDNA which allows that, because the constitution of my nation’s state no matter what color of skin you have, though you may have the basically the same gene, and a black-white marriage is not genetically an inter-racial marriage. Even if you are born white and your indigenous lands are overseas, one has the right to defend them as their ancestors did over five hundred years ago, even though they may have and can not help it being born a WASP male. – Wha Daur Meddle Wi’ Me? http://www.rampantscotland.com/poetry/blpoems_daur.htm Today’s chief Margaret resides across the Liddel Water in Redheugh from Park of ‘Wee Jock Elliot’. The Middle March Clan of the Scottish side of the border, the Armstrong, Elliot, Nixon and Crozier we stick together, do not care much what the others may say, we just pitch-in and feel the best will come of it. Over a half century ago, we were talking about peace on earth, and it was an Armstrong not on earth but on the moon which was talking to a Nixon on earth. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/President-Nixon-speaking-with-astronauts-Armstrong-and-Aldrin-on-the-Moon.mp4 The Elwald to become Ellot, acquired the lands of Redheugh and Larriston, in the fifteenth century; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sasine_deed_1484_for_Robert_Elwald_%28Elliot%29,_Redheugh,_Larriston,_Hartsgarth.jpg Heart of ‘Angus’ which passed the lands to Robert Elwald X, is on the right of Sir James Douglas carred but died in process the heart of Robert the Bruce; https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Heart-of-Douglas.jpg Robert the Bruce’s heart has not made it to Jerusalem. https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/robert-the-bruces-heart https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/immovable-ladder-church-holy-sepulchre
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Mark Elliotthttps://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Gr%C3%BCnspan https://archive.org/details/chroniclesofarms00arms/page/77/mode/2up FTDNA Elks; https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/elks/about/background Elks Make a Dangerous Comeback in Germany A motorist killed one on a highway near Berlin. BySPIEGEL September 6, 2012, 1:19 PM 4 min read https://abcnews.go.com/International/elks-make-dangerous-comeback-germany/story?id=17173306#:~:text=An%20estimated%2010%20elks%20are%20roaming%20the%20German,research%20into%20the%20wildlife%20in%20the%20state%20 https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Aldano-filio-Alfwald-Alan-son-of-Elfwald.jpg “An early resident of Bec was Alanus Elfwold (1248).” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beck_Hall https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%86lfwald_I_of_Northumbria https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Gr%C3%BCnfeld It may be better to be a ‘green field’, instead of a ‘blank field’; https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Blankenfeld,1890:Gr%C3%BCnfeld
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Mark ElliottBing image ‘FTDNA Elliot’. Know an ‘Elliott’ comes in first, but it is an Elliott Greenspan. Then it says us exile County Fermanagh, Elliott are related to those Eliott of Stobs. Do care not much for the aristocrat types, but our 29th Chief Margaret, her father was a Sir Arthur, and with help from mom and excellent family historian/genealogist. Like having a lady as chief, at lease those English will not make her an aristocrat. She is of Redheugh, and I am one of the thieving Elliot of Gorrenberry, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sasine_deed_1484_for_Robert_Elwald_%28Elliot%29,_Redheugh,_Larriston,_Hartsgarth.jpg but in a land transfer of lands William Elwald many great assisted a Robert Elwald in obtaining the lands of Redheugh which the chiefs including 29th chief Margaret. Do not have that aristocratic nature like the chief, and feels she likely thinks of me as a ‘vagabond’, from the wild west in the United States. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/The-Elliot-Clan-by-Newcastleton-Primary-School-Scots-Language-Project-2018-1.mp4
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click right to enlarge in new tab https://named.publicprofiler.org/ The History of Liddesdale, Eskdale, Ewesdale, Wauchopedale and the …, Volume 1 By Robert Bruce Armstrong page 55 https://books.google.com/books?id=nFr7oQEACAAJ&q=Johnnestouns#v=snippet&q=Johnnestouns&f=false The history of Enniskillen with reference to some manors in co. Fermanagh, and other local subjects by Trimble, William Copeland, 1851-1941 https://archive.org/details/historyofenniski00trimrich/page/218/mode/2up ‘Sheep stealers from the north of England’: the Riding Clans in Ulster by Robert Bell https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/ Muster Roll for Tullyhogue (Tullaghoge) 1610 Transcribed by Teena http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland/genealogy/muster/tullyhogue1610.html
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Mark ElliottSurnames which migrated from Debatable Lands & Liddesdale to County Fermanagh (Maguire), Ulster Plantation. The History of Liddesdale, Eskdale, Ewesdale, Wauchopedale and the Debateable Land: By Robert Bruce Armstrong, Volume 1 Robert Bruce Armstrong D. Douglas, 1883 – “Debateable land” (Scotland) https://books.google.com/books/about/The_History_of_Liddesdale_Eskdale_Ewesda.html?id=nFr7oQEACAAJ Author best known for; The Irish and the Highland Harps Volume 1 of “Musical Instruments” by Robert Bruce Armstrong https://www.wirestrungharp.com/library/rba_harps/
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Mark ElliottSteel Bonnets In Debatatable Lands with George Macdonald Fraser and Eric Robson https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkDCQiLr3Zc Migration to Co Fermanagh, from Debatable Lands. They married the Irish. Could you believe the Irish treated them much better then the Kingdoms of Scotland and England especially when they were uniting and exterminating or exiling them. There is a Graham fish garth in film. ‘Sheep stealers from the north of England’: the Riding Clans in Ulster by Robert Bell https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/
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Mark Elliottclick right to enlarge in new tab Armstrong, Elliot, Nixon, and Crozier of the Scottish Middle March, were exiled by protestant James VI of Scotland, who was taken from his Catholic mom, Marie Stuart, Queen of Scots. Who the protestant cousin the first Queen Elizabeth had beheaded, and when she died James VI of Scotland became James I of England also. So it was move and be exiled to basically County Fermanagh, or be exterminated. This happened by king James of now Scotland and England after Elizabeth died in 1603, by the army of the English. The Mechanics are basically the same, but to be family history the results for each family is different, that is what makes family history fun when doing ones own family is finding out about your particular family, and therefore getting to know ones self better. Elliott (personal prejudice) then Armstrong, with the Middle March families Scottish side, of Nixon and Crozier included; The process of finding family, is like having a black colt, and a corral full of horses, and looking for the colt’s mother. So in the corral you first clear out all those horses which Y-DNA, the stallions. The the old mares, because they are to old to have a young colt. Then the mares which are not black. The colt is a Shetland. So you clear out all those which are not Shetland, and then the ones which are not black, and left with two young black Shetland mares, but can not tell which one it the colt’s mother. Then you put family into the coral. Release the colt, and then the colt finds it’s mother. In genealogy, genetics can divide out family. My mother does not carry Y-DNA, blue eyed, and dad also, so I am likely blue eyed. With Y-DNA line Anglo-European, likely to share same surname. Brought up a Methodist, by a mother raised Catholic. The Methodist are on my Y-DNA side, so if Jews became Christians, the Christian Catholics, became Anglican then Episcopalian, then Methodist, overseas what would my family’s likely faith be. Likely be in a region of Methodist-Episcopalians-Anglicans, and may be normally Catholic. https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/ Family is living with Armstrong where they were exiled to Ireland, and the EU/Brexit border raps around us. But since I am born into as a Y-DNA male, blond haired blue eyed like chief Margaret, but hair a little darker, been our tribal Elliot 29th chief for over thirty years, and was doing genealogy when her father Sir Arthur was the 28th chief and of Redheugh, a fortress outpost the Ellot (Scot’s spelling without the French ‘i’). To not be ‘prejudice’, must be anti-WASP. Can’t help whether I was born that way. Armstrong, which guarded the border lands, and the Elliot which soldiered the Hermitage castle to kept the kingdoms of England and Scotland separate, the army of Scotland. Today’s Scottish Ministry have in their plans to build a Windy Edge Wind farm next to the Hermitage Castle the castle north of Redheugh which my ancestors soldiered over five hundred years ago. If Natives of American complain about a pipeline going through their land in American, Anglo Europeans are the first to indicate they are not prejudice. If I mention there is plans for a Windy Edge wind farm being built next to The Hermitage Castle which my Elliott Clan and 29th chief Margaret of Redheugh, https://elwald.com/clan-elliot-29th-chief-margaret-eliott-of-redhuegh-stobs/ (sure she thinks of me as some sort of wild west US ‘vagabond’) one is not prejudice if they do not defend my family’s indigenous lands, when defending indigenous lands of people of America. Race in genetics is not black or white. A black man can carry similar Y-DNA as myself. Racism is when you defend indigenous lands, of Native Americans, then genocide indigenous lands of my race, of people which lived between the kingdoms, and made for America a self governing nation of free speech and religious freedoms, not one which I am being silenced by admins, and a non US company FTDNA which allows that, because the constitution of my nation’s state no matter what color of skin you have, though you may have the basically the same gene, and a black-white marriage is not genetically an inter-racial marriage. Even if you are born white and your indigenous lands are overseas, one has the right to defend them as their ancestors did over five hundred years ago, even though they may have and can not help it being born a WASP male. – Wha Daur Meddle Wi’ Me? http://www.rampantscotland.com/poetry/blpoems_daur.htm The Middle March Clan of the Scottish side of the border, the Armstrong, Elliot, Nixon and Crozier we stick together, do not care much what the others may say, we just pitch-in and feel the best will come of it. Over a half century ago, we were talking about peace on earth, and it was an Armstrong not on earth but on the moon which was talking to a Nixon on earth. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/President-Nixon-speaking-with-astronauts-Armstrong-and-Aldrin-on-the-Moon.mp4 The Elwald to become Ellot, acquired the lands of Redheugh and Larriston, in the fifteenth century; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sasine_deed_1484_for_Robert_Elwald_%28Elliot%29,_Redheugh,_Larriston,_Hartsgarth.jpg Heart of ‘Angus’ which passed the lands to Robert Elwald X, is on the right of Sir James Douglas carred but died in process the heart of Robert the Bruce; https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Heart-of-Douglas.jpg Like
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We Routledges were right in there too along side the Armstrongs and Nixons
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Routledge_surname_15th_to_18th_centuries#cite_note-72 “In 1606, border authorities hatched a scheme to rid the country of the worst malefactors by transporting them to the Plantation of Ulster, a British colony in Northern Ireland seized from Irish owners after the Nine Years’ War. Most of the colonists came from England and Scotland, some of them having been forced to settle there. The Grahams of Cumberland were especially targeted for transportation, along with other “dangerous” reivers. “The Bishop of Carlisle, writing to the Earl of Salisbury in 1606, stated that the Routledges, “have been as offensive as the Grames [sic] though not so powerful.” Citation: Giuseppi, M S (1940). “Calendar of the Cecil Papers in Hatfield House: Vol 18”. British History Online. pp. 288–306.
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Mark Elliotthttp://scaledinnovation.com/gg/countyMapper.html Likely names so old that they were drawn from the same Y-DNA body. Armstrong not likely a NPE, neither Irwin. The name spellings Irwin and Rutledge found strong in Ulster. Though Armstrong, Elliot, Nixon and Crozier are of the Scottish Middle Marches, the surname Crozier is not included in the software. The percent for Armstrong would be likely higher with a combined Routledge-Rutledge surname.
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Brian Routledge
I should reiterate, and perhaps Mark Elliott will agree, that DNA can only support NOT replace a well-documented, accurate family tree. Also a willingness to share with other researchers is crucial and easily accomplished by making use of help-aids already facilitated by FTDNA. If you haven’t already, please take a moment to fill in place and date details of your earliest known ancestor. If you haven’t already, please do upload a family tree or create a basic one online, and don’t forget to include aunts, uncles, and other outlier surnames from your past whether or not they be Armstrongs, Elliotts, Nixons, Croziers and others from our Border Reiver history.
Mark Elliott
It is felt that these border families adopted surnames later than others. Live in Gallup, New Mexico, and the county mainly Navajo which has adopted their surnames with-in basically the last one-hundred and fifty years. There is even a line of Navajo with surname Elliott. If surnames are of cousins of the same father and different surnames are adopted, then these surnames tough having the same or similar Y-DNA are not NPEs. The border people utilized like Anglo-Scandinavian, a later surname adoption, finding about the late fourteenth century to time of assessment early sixteenth century in the adoptions of surnames in the Borderlands. So cousins in the border land would adopt surnames like Routledge, Armstrong, Nixon, and so on, but end up showing it so on the DNA, these would not be NPEs but people which are genetic cousins adopting surname name from the same but branching Y-DNA line. The Armstrong and Irwin in above is a good example of this. It is when surnames are not showing similar localities such as the Debatable land region of Scotland when they are NPEs. All in the above are therefore at one time of the same locality which matches well with the Debatable Lands of the Scottish-English western border, such as Cumberland indicated above. Northumberland is near also. Should not be any question in the region this group obtained their Y-DNA.
Mark Elliott
It is natural to have which I have a bias towards ones own family. In doing your family research it is slow at times but with the more time you put it speeds up. Can give pointers to help group and speed your research, but if I tell you your family history, it is I which will be in great error, and you the most accurate. It is like separating out the mare, the colts mother in a coral of horses, knowing it is black, and in the end you end up with three black mares. Then you send in the colt, and you find out then who it’s mother is. Without documentation and cross documentation, one can make error and have to redo their way of thinking. So always cross check and recheck things future research is based on, so you do not have to go back far to correct it. It is like taking out stitches the further one travels beyond an incorrect stitch the more which have to be taken out. Like it is said, ‘a stitch in time, saves nine’.
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Mark Elliott
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Mark ElliottIt is much easier to use a Harvard College Cotton Mather approach to DNA, as FTDNA does. The admins have the power to silence from the feed. Once done the feed is no longer genealogical, because one does not kick out the ‘in-laws’ though they may want to, and it becomes as mathematical and scientific as a TIP calculator which measure 30 years/gen at one significant figure and comes out with an answer at four significant figures, where it is not being corrected. The data is still usable and shows this is what my Y-DNA line said about the accusers in Salem, 28 MAR 1692; Need references for those which are Harvard types and believe genealogy and science is based on silencing. No references are needed for those which are ‘status quo’ Harvard historians, and publish what the ‘status quo’ Harvard profs as the Harvard judges wanted to hear during the Salem Witch Trials; Kicking people off FTDNA feeds for doing and sharing family history research, and applying DNA to it is the same in the symbolic sense of Harvard hanging witches. https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Daniel-Elliot-Salem-1692-testimony.jpg https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/ECS-Daniel-group-history-1.png https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/A6724.jpg Rich Rucker a German surname matches many Armstrong Y-DNA along with me is silenced by Armstrong FTDNA. ‘Armstrong FTDNA’ may hold the numbers but of Gorrenberry in images also am doing great, and I hold the numbers. Genealogists, and scientist, actual genetic scientists, research around FTDNA, though applying the data in family finding. Those who believe in the Harvard ‘status quo’ watch Harvard present itself on PBS, but BYU people are born into it and are far superior to Harvard. They are the only school to have a four year program in genealogy. FTDNA was started by Jews and they have a long tribal history. Though people may believe everything written in books of spirituality as being incorrect these people are not genealogists.
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Mark Elliottclick on right open in new tab to enlarge image https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:R%C3%BCcker,1890:Gr%C3%BCnberg,1890:Ewald Grünberg (Greenmountain), Germany, https://s.meyersgaz.org/search?search=Gr%C3%BCnberg https://www.google.com/maps/place/Gr%C3%BCnberg,+09573+Augustusburg,+Germany/@50.8275203,13.1001976,15z/ Rücker (regulator) https://s.meyersgaz.org/search?search=R%C3%BCcker Elwald (Ewald; Forst/Forest) https://s.meyersgaz.org/search?search=Ewald Census surname cluster Poland-Berlin where ‘elk'(moose), are returning to. https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/wild-elks-return-to-germany-a-853581.html Match a Grünberg exactly in twelve markers, and am two markers off a Rücker of Rotherburg, Germany; https://www.google.com/maps/place/Rothenburg,+Germany/@51.3563185,14.794281,11z/ I-M253 Elliott-Fairbairn Fair Bear story traveling out of Germany onto borderland into Co, Fermanagh, Ulster, Ireland; https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3227966?dpr=2&fit=max&h=538&w=590 https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Fairbairn-I-M253-Elliott-Viking-add-mix-James-Irvine-Irwin-FTDNA.png https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/James-M.-Irvine-Fairbairn-Elliott-I-M253-1024×630.jpg Admin Cyndi Rutledge knows about the Dane DNA. Chronicles of the Armstrongs; ed by Armstrong, James Lewis MD 1902 https://archive.org/details/chroniclesofarms00arms/page/n13/mode/2up Margaret Eliott of Redheugh is Clan Elliot’s 29th chief; https://elwald.com/clan-elliot-29th-chief-margaret-eliott-of-redhuegh-stobs/ Cyndi nor chief carry Y-DNA, someone else has to carry it for them, like I for the chief. Dad had a blond haired twin; https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Loren-Lois-Jack-Elliotts.png Grandma Ilah Spencer Elliott took photo, on Eastman-Kodak Brownie given size of negative no. 2 camera. LED lighting behind negative photo taken with smart phone. Imaging freeware used; https://www.irfanview.com/ reverse negative to positive by a negative image of the negative. -(-)=+ two negatives multiplied make a positive. Chief and I are within a year of age. Will not disclose who’s older, because I want to keep my head. Don’t say anything about this to chief; likely thinks I’m some sort of ‘vagabond’ from the ‘wild west’, USA. Anyone which shows the shield of Sir James Douglas with a stag, must be good people to me. Bruces heart was added latter. https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Heart-of-Douglas.jpg Archibald ‘Bell the Cat’ Douglas fifth earl of Angus with assistance of many great William Elwald of Gorrenberry, passed lands of Redheugh to Robert Elwald the clan’s tenth chief. Not of Redheugh chieftain line, but of William Elwald of Gorrenberry line. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sasine_deed_1484_for_Robert_Elwald_28%Elliot29%,_Redheugh,_Larriston,_Hartsgarth.jpg It is for those Harvard ‘status quo’ pseudo genealogists which believe in ‘kicking out the in-laws’. Those Hitlers which use top German scientist to prove his ‘superior race’, those followers of McCarthy of McCarthyism, which think those witting plays like Jewish linked Arthur Miller; ‘The Crucible’ which wrote a play on Elizabeth Proctor which my Y-DNA line defended 28 MAR 1692. She lived because she was with child, but her husband was not with child and he was hung by Harvard judges and the pseudo science of Harvard Cotton Mather as a witch. My granddad did not stand alone on the defense of Elizabeth Proctor, a Samuel Barton, which Clar Barton, Oxford, MA, of the American Red Cross is descended from. Also stood in defense of Elizabeth Proctor. In order to be an American Company, in order to do genealogy, and genetics based on science one has to have free speech like in the Family History Library in Salt Lake City, Utah.
Brian Routledge
Please explain how this all-Elliott information has anything whatsoever to do with this Rutledge/Routledge project.
Mark Elliott
Shows that the Armstrong and I as an Elwald-Elliott travel up through England, where you today find the Routledge, and Ellwood (Elliott). That border people lived as intermarried families in both kingdoms, but as reivers are of the borders not of kingdoms. When the border was placed it was places through families. Genealogy is family history.
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Mark ElliottThough ‘wee Jock’, stabbed Bothwell, (Billhouse of Thomas of Mangerton brother to Johnnie ‘Gilnockie’) we supported his wife, Catholic Marie Stuart of France. Put us high on her son’s who was take by the Protestants hit list. Mother being behead by cousin Elizabeth he became James VI of Scotland then after Elizabeth died he became king of England the Armstrong, Elliot, and Nixon were number one, two and three on his hit list, which he used the English army for. Banished from both kingdoms in 1607 moved to Country Fermanagh where the EU/Brexit bordered is rapped around it fought as Royalists against Cromwell and the Tories laugh at us being transported as slaves to the Colonies. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/SELLING-SCOTS-AS-SLAVES-IS-FUNNY-TO-THE-TORIES-2.mp4 We showed those Tories with help from those French what we can do in making a new nation. Charles II which we supported became king and his descendant Prince Williams is in line for the throne. The Buccluech did help the chieftain line survive with a large dowry when Gilbert married into the Scott of Harden, his grandson Gilbert became Sir Gilbert, first aristocracy for the Elliot. Exile and kill the border people then make knights among what was left. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/President-Nixon-speaking-with-astronauts-Armstrong-and-Aldrin-on-the-Moon.mp4 Both the Armstrong and Nixon are like my family have Liddesdale, Scotland ancestral Y-DNA lines. Recognize any of the above names in the 1610 Tyrone Ulster muster/ http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland/genealogy/muster/tullyhogue1610.html See any on 1963 County Fermanagh map? https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Armstrong-Elliott-Johnston-Fermanagh-surname-distribution-map.jpg County Fermanagh Borderers married the native Irish, and fought on the Irish side against Cromwell as Anglican Hamiltonian Royalists; https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-728cbedd041da87ec9bdf60f42b4da22 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Cromwells-invasion-of-Ireland-Why-Does-Everyone-Hate-The-English.mp4 https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3370631?dpr=2&fit=max&h=258&w=590
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Mark Elliotthttps://named.publicprofiler.org/ John Routledge June 30 @ 8:50am R(o)utledge is a place name, an area at the head of Tarras Moss in Scotland as Tom Routledge our administrator has recently discovered by a lot of :sleuthing”.and we were close neighbours to the Mangerton Armstrongs, If you look on the Armstrong DNA website you will notice a Routledge line. https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Buccleuch-lands-of-Mangerton-Gorrenberry-Whithaugh-and-Elliot-of-Midlem-mill.png Thomas Armistrang amrystrong Armstrong of Mangerton, brother to Johnnie Armstrong called Gilnockie owned land called Billhouse to the west of Gorrenberry. https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Labeling-Jacobs-Windy-Edge-map-2-1024×689-2-1024×689.jpg ‘Meriantoun’, is Mangerton. (did not know 500 years later that I would as an Elliott still be defending The Hermitage Castle this time from a wind farm not called Hermitage Castle but by an extremely obscure name from region ‘Windy Edge’) It is likely that family rode with Gilnockie to meet with James V king of Scotland in 1530. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Lori-Watson-Johnnie-Armstrang.mp4 “The Chief of the Armestrongs, Rowteleages and Nycsones of Lyddesdale offered Sir Thos. Wharton to serve the King with 100 Horse and 100 foot and be sworn the King’s Subjects, and dwell in Lyddesdale or the Batable Ground or in England, if they might have their friends, now prisoners at Carlisle and Alnwick, relaesed, who were taken at the burning of Sleyley, and to release four Englishmen whom they took there” 12th June 1543 IE Armstrong, Routledge, and Nixon of Liddesdale. https://electricscotland.com/webclans/ntor/routledge2.html Routledges – The Forgotten Scots By Tom Routledge Very understandable the sharing of Y-DNA. Though I try my best to support the Armstrong, Rich Rucker and myself have been having difficulties being allowed to stay in the FTDNA Armstrong feed; https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3212106?dpr=2&fit=max&h=408&w=590 route Rout n.1] a. intr. To join a group. b. To join an armed band; to assemble under arms. c. tr. To ride over as an armed band. — https://dsl.ac.uk/entry/dost/rout_v_2 Ledge, n. [e.m.E. ledge, ME. legge (c 1330) a ledge on a door or the like, a raised edging round a board, a ledge on a wall or cliff.] https://dsl.ac.uk/entry/dost/ledge Do not claim either the Monarchy of England or Scotland, Dand Ellot Scotland was banished from both kingdoms in 1607. Border Reivers had no kingdom. To a Reiver the discussion whether one is from the kingdom of England or Scotland they were of the border people which included people of both sides of the border. Crozier and Elliot are listed as allied clans to the Armstrong. R(o)utledge are also allied to the Armstrong. Get the Armstrong to recognize the R(o)utledge as an allied clan. Allied clans Clan Elliot Clan Moffat Clan Crozier If those Moffat are recognized as an allied clan certainly the R(o)utledge can be. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/The-Reivers-Making-of-the-Borders-Alistair-Moffat-2.mp4
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Mark Elliottclick right mouse button on image to open enlarged in new tab Should be noted that R(o)utledge surname does not go back as far as some surnames based on wildlife like the bear, wolf, and elk (moose). Elk and it’s predators man and wolf (dog) seem to migrate similar paths;https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/German-wolves.gif
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R(o)utledge is a place name, an area at the head of Tarras Moss in Scotland as Tom Routledge our administrator has recently discovered by a lot of :sleuthing”.and we were close neighbours to the Mangerton Armstrongs, If you look on the Armstrong DNA website you will notice a Routledge line.
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William Rutledge
Hi, I maintain my Uncle’s account from which I am posting. He has a zero distance DNA match that has no autosomal matches. That means they have a common male ancestor that is so far back that autosomal has washed out. Zero distance meaning there was no mutuations of DNA. All the other matches have distances, even known connections, so that is wild. I feel as if I can work his match’s tree up far enough I might be able to work it down from there to break my long-standing brick wall. I am related to the familiar John D. Rutledge. He is my Uncle’s 3rd cousin. The line goes up to James Rutledge born 1790 in North Carolina. I do not see John’s DNA match listed on here anymore, but I do not believe it was a zero distance. The zero distance match has ancestry, I believe to Virginia, so my idea is that my line in North Carolina will also go back to Virginia. I really do not want to post here and would rather email with someone. We also have a Facebook group to attempt to solve this match. Edit: Is it odd that John D. Rutledge shows up on autosmal match list here at FTDNA, but not the Y match list? I do need help. Cheryl
Sean Rutledge
Michael Rutledge. Sorry for the delay in replying. I missed your post. In any case, I don’t know how to reply as I’m not aware than anyone named Harry Milton has tested BigY700. I’ll check around and get back to you.
Sean Rutledge
Michael Rutledge. Milton is Rafferty’s earliest known ancestor.
Michael Rutledge
Thanks Sean, was the addition of Harry Milton Rutledge a recent change to Rafferty’s earliest known Ancestor? I don’t remember him being listed on the BigY search chart before (but I don’t have a great memory 😉
Michael Rutledge
Hi Cheryl … I have joined your group and look forward to your emails concerning our line. Unfortunately , I am not one of the serious researchers and so I rely on the folks here to put the puzzle pieces together in a way that I can understand.
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Jathan Pfeifle
I am a direct Rutledge descendant (on my father’s mother’s line). Unfortunately I cannot afford at the present time to have a Y-DNA test done as I am on a limited budget. (My Gedmatch # is GL7208290 for anyone who wishes to look into it). My known Rutledge line in America traces back to Edmud RUTLEDGE (b. 1768 in Maryland) married to Elizabeth (no last name). I descend through their son, Thomas, who was born in York Co., Pennsylvania in 1807, and married Mary Elizabeth MARKS in 1821. Thomas and Mary were my 4th great grandparents. I would love to hear from anyone with any further information on my family line.
Diane Schmid Redfern
Welcome Jathan Pfeifle. Presumably you know that a Y-DNA test will only tell you about your paternal pathway (father to grandfather to great grandfather. . .etc back to prehistoric times) . Hopefully, your autosomal (FF test) will put you in contact with possible Rutledge ancestors as it covers all of your ancestors on both paternal and maternal sides.
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J R
Is there someplace I should be posting my PROVEN research? I am looking at my Y-DNA matches and have been verifying research on the matches. I have been successful on a few, but others, once I get so far back and can find no proof of a relationship in the matches tree, have not been successful in getting responses, or have been met with hostility. If your farthest known ancestor does not stand up to peer review, what good is the study? Yes, I understand there is a place where we all go to guessing, but when a person puts forward in a tree that son X is the product of parent Y, but parent Y has no son named X in his probate, or other records, and I politely ask what proof that person has of the parentage, I expect that person to share their proof.
Diane Schmid Redfern
J R: >>Is there someplace I should be posting my PROVEN research? >> I presume you mean a properly documented family tree including citations pointing to historic sources, such as government birth, marriage, death records, census records, wills, manor/estate records and the like. A Family Tree posted on your FTDNA file is helpful to other researchers only as a guide but, unfortunately, does not include space for documentation. Instead, you could: include details on your profile that point readers to a tree you have published to other publicly available ancestry websites, such as www.wikitree.com; www.familySearch.org; or www.gedmatch.com
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J R: >>and I politely ask what proof that person has of the parentage, I expect that person to share their proof>> I understand your frustration. All serious researchers meet with indifference or some sort of perceived rudeness. I know no remedy, except to persevere on my own path and let others do as they please.
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Mark ElliottIf you get rid of family, even the ‘in-laws’, your family tree can not be correct. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullykelter_Castle For the Brigham researchers note on map it is ‘Whitley’ not ‘Whitney’, below those Wilson. What kind of Irish name is ‘Wilson’ anyway? https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/President-Obama-on-the-influence-of-Ulster-settlers-on-America..mp4 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/From-Ulster-to-US-surname-Wilson.mp4 Now ‘Elliott’ that is Irish (1607-1650). Family fought for king Charles II, as Royalists on side of Irish, and ended up in America; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Cromwells-invasion-of-Ireland-Why-Does-Everyone-Hate-The-English.mp4 The Anglican and Catholic farmers on both sides of the EU-Brexit line, are inter-married since an Armstrong married a Maguire Princess in the day of Cromwell and Charles II and are still on the same side NO BORDER IN IRELAND. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/President-Nixon-speaking-with-astronauts-Armstrong-and-Aldrin-on-the-Moon.mp4 “A sixteenth century traveller in what was known as the ‘cockpit’ of the Borders, on finding no churches, asked a Borderer ‘Are there no Christians in Liddesdale?’. To which he was answered ‘Na, we’s all Elliots and Armstrongs’!” https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/ Brigham people, see it is ‘Whitley’, not ‘Whitney’, on above map, below that Irish name ‘Wilson’. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Armstrong-Elliott-Johnston-Fermanagh-surname-distribution-map.jpg Can not leave out the Elliott chief; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Reiver-Trail-Magaret-Eliott-chief.mp4 Like
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Mark ElliottClick right button then ‘Open image in new tab’ for enlargement. https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Johnson/default.aspx?section=yresults https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Carruthers?iframe=yresults Wonder where that I-CTS11603 Y-DNA is from. https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Carruthers likely from a single male I-CTS11603 Y-DNA, which does not seem to have any matches to the Brus/Bruce family but relation of Mouswald Carruthers, seem to share the same shield with the Pickering of Oswaldkirk, Yorkshire, Brus/Bruce family relations. Noted, share Y-DNA first 12 markers with Cave ‘de Cave’, and Scarborough. The Bruce had land of Cave, North and South, in east Riding Yorkshire, and in Annandale, land also of the Nicholas Stuteville (Nicholforest), and Wake families. The Stuteville had land of Gresham Castle, and Scarborough region, also of The Mote, which had Liddel Strength Castle on it of the Wake and Stuteville. No previous is pretty rough, but feel people are checking the research. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Clan-Johnston.mp4
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Mark ElliottListen to the chief though she may think of me as a wild west US ‘vagabond’; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/The-Elliot-Clan-by-Newcastleton-Primary-School-Scots-Language-Project-2018-1.mp4 To Derek James Stewart ‘Wha daur Meddle wi Me?’ Mark Stephen Elliott http://www.rampantscotland.com/poetry/blpoems_daur.htm
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Mark Elliotthttps://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3542370?dpr=2&fit=max&h=283&w=590 A Dictionary of the Older Scottish Tongue (up to 1700) https://dsl.ac.uk/entry/dost/riddill_v Riddil(l, v. Also: ryddill, rid(d)le. [ME and e.m.E. ridle(n (Ancr. R.), rydelyn (Prompt. Parv.), riddle (1570); Riddil(l n.2] tr. 1. To sift or refine by passing through a riddle. fig., with personal object, after Luke xxii 31 (see also Nisbet, after Purvey). https://www.google.com/maps/place/Riddell,+Melrose+TD6+9JP,+UK/@55.5090501,-2.7729008,15z/ https://www.google.com/maps/place/Whitton,+Kelso+TD5+8QX,+UK/@55.4833322,-2.3920878,15z/ https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ryedale+District,+UK/@54.1981063,-1.1221973,10z/ Do not in a family search, get rid of the in-laws, though you may want to.
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Mark Elliotthttps://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3541644?dpr=2&fit=max&h=288&w=590 For the Moffat ally; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/The-Reivers-Making-of-the-Borders-Alistair-Moffat-2.mp4 For the R-L193 Crozier-Elliott relatives; Group 4 – R1b-L21 > L193 (predicted) Matching to Elliotts. 319301 Crosier Adam Crosier (b. 1751 in Scotland, d. 1829) Scotland R-M269 429646 Crozier John Crozier born 1782 Durham died? England R-BY14138 https://gorrenberry.com/elliot-glendinning-r-l193-sub-l513/ Of Scottish Middle March; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/President-Nixon-speaking-with-astronauts-Armstrong-and-Aldrin-on-the-Moon.mp4 https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/
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Mark Elliotthttps://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3539621?dpr=2&fit=max&h=288&w=590 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/ballads-of-the-Border-Reivers..mp4 https://historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/ https://electricscotland.com/webclans/atoc/clancrozier.pdf http://clancrozier.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Nixsoun-Nixon.jpg
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Mark Elliotthttps://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3537637?dpr=2&fit=max&h=186&w=590 FTDNA R-L513 and Subclades The reason for the R-U106 and R-193 match, is that it is many generations ago, and the names evolved from Elwald/Ewald of Germany, Ellwood (North England), Ellot (Angus/Scotlan), Ellot + Eliot (England/France) became Elliot c.1650, family was in arrival to the American Colony them. Migration from Scotland to Ulster to America also took place with the R-L193 Glendinning of Glendinning Scotland, County Tyrone Ulster, Ireland, and into Mt. Ayr, Iowa, Rice Township Ringgold County, USA of my family of Elliott. https://elwald.com/ftdna-r-l513-and-subclades/ https://gorrenberry.com/ftdna-r-l513-and-subclades/
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Mark Elliotthttps://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3534525?dpr=2&fit=max&h=319&w=590 https://www.google.com/maps/place/The+Old+Schoolhouse+-+Glendinning+Farm+Cottages/@55.2530267,-3.1060402,17z/ https://maps.nls.uk/view/00000400#zoom=5&lat=3690&lon=5085&layers=BT https://dsl.ac.uk/entry/dost/glen_n_1 https://dsl.ac.uk/entry/dost/dinning https://dsl.ac.uk/entry/dost/mont_v https://dsl.ac.uk/entry/dost/air_n_2 Would you believe it, that the Glendenning, are from Glendinning? Glendenning census distribution ‘hot spot’, Glendinning, Scotland, UK, and sub-‘hot spot’, County Tyrone, Ulster, Ireland. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Glendinning-n-300×300.jpg Glendinning and Ellott (ie Elliott) of County Tyrone, Ireland 1610; http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland/genealogy/muster/tullyhogue1610.html
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Mark Elliotthttps://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Gilnockie-Armstrongs-History.mp4 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Lori-Watson-Johnnie-Armstrang.mp4 Puppet government of England after they killed and exiled the Armstrong and Elliott, which kept them independent of the Kingdom of England has plans for their wind farm company Muirhall to place a wind farm next to the home place of Clan Elliott the Hermitage Castle to top off the genocide of the Elliott they started in 1600, and before that in 1530 with the hanging of Ginockie and the Elliott which rode with him.
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Mark ElliottNote ‘Sinclair’ movement above; http://www.stclairresearch.com/content/groupingsVa-R-L193-DNA.html https://gorrenberry.com/elliot-glendinning-r-l193-sub-l513/ Like
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‘Sheep stealers from the north of England’: the Riding Clans in Ulster by Robert Bell