Cave, Gresham, Scarborough, surname, location, history, Y-DNA
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Daniel Elliot (1637–1704) • FamilySearch
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Discover life events, stories and photos about Daniel Elliot (1637–1704) of Tullykelter, County Fermanagh, Ireland … English and Scottish: variant of Elliott .
Mark Elliott18 hours ago
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Mark Elliott19 hours ago
https://named.publicprofiler.org/ The Gresham which carry a marker match with my first twelve markers are from Gresham, Norfolk, East Anglia, England. Is it that difficult to believe that the Gresham are from Gresham? https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Heut ‘Huet’ (French and in Germany) surname may have traveled to East Anglia, like the Finch and Elwald, but changed it’s spelling to ‘Hewitt’. Lewis Island, northwest Scotland ‘hotspot’ for ‘Hewitt’, is likely a Scottish Gaelic, Anglicized acceptance of the name ‘Hewitt’, but the other localities may be migration points for Hewitt migrating through Norfolk East Anglia.
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Mark Elliott20 hours ago
Grün (Green) Grünberg (Green Mountian) Grünewald (Green Forest) Ewald (Forest) Berg (Mountain) https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Gr%C3%BCnberg,1890:Ewald https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Gr%C3%BCn,1890:Gr%C3%BCnberg,1890:Gr%C3%BCnewald,1890:Ewald,1890:Berg https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Huet Note concentration where elk (moose) are making a comeback; https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/wild-elks-return-to-germany-a-853581.html east of Berlin. https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Elwald-Elliot-elk-moose-of-the-forest-wood.png The ‘elk of the forest’, know where they came from, and where they are going. Match a Grünberg exactly on the first 12 markers. Grünberg, Augustusburg, Germany coincides with surname distribution of Grünberg, and east of Berlin with name Elwald. The Gresham, Grisham, Grissom, Cave, Scarborough and others which match my first twelve markers also match the first twelve markers of Jan Grünberg exactly. Grünberg, Augustusburg, Germany map Google; https://www.google.com/maps/place/Gr%C3%BCnberg,+09573+Augustusburg,+Germany/@50.8275206,13.104575,16z/ One may think someone from the US or UK move to Germany then changed their surname to the German place name of Grünberg (Green Mountain), but I for one do not think so. It is felt that the same twelve markers of the German region likely near Berlin adopt the surnames Grünberg, and Ewald, then migration to the east coast of East Anglia, East Riding Yorkshire, place names of Gresham (Castle), (N&S) Cave, and Scarborough (burgh-castle), where adopted carrying the same twelve markers. No
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Mark ElliottYesterday at 11:25am
https://named.publicprofiler.org/ https://nvk.genealogy.net/map Should be noted that other groups within the Finch feed have different family histories and if Y-DNA is place in their hands, and if they applied to their respective family histories this is how how history for their respective families will be the most accurate. This is to show census surname population distribution maps, wild life ancient surnames, of animals; finch, sparrow, and elk (moose), and elk (moose) Poland to German distribution is to be integrated with long range Anglo correlated to surname distribution to show the show the first 13 23 14 11 11-14 12 12 11 13 13 29 Y-DNA markers though Carl Finch and I match the first 25, migrates as PoBI Genetics has show in their extensive study; https://www.peopleofthebritishisles.org/ that Y-DNA travel over the North Sea from Anglo-Danish-Germanic-Saxon to East Anglia, which corresponds to both science and archaeological-genetic history, standard family genealogy done by the family historian genealogist, not with a super imposition of those of Harvard which tried witches and hung them on the pseudo science and silencing by these false types with high credentials as the Harvard judges, it is by nature the the historian of the family gets the family history correct, not the Harvard type educated elite which hung my family as witches. Wolf and man eat elk (moose), and would migrate with the elk (moose), in Germany. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/German-wolves.gif
Mark ElliottJune 15 @ 2:35pm
Created this for; E5769 Gregshammer, now I can upload image. https://forebears.io/surnames/gregshammer
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Mark ElliottJune 14 @ 1:45pm
https://archive.org/details/chroniclesofarms00arms/page/77/mode/2up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%86lfwald_I_of_Northumbria https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Finch?iframe=ycolorized https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Ewaldsen Elwald de Schinkel; https://www.google.com/maps/place/24214+Schinkel,+Germany/@54.321611,9.8817148,11.25z/ https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/wild-elks-return-to-germany-a-853581.html Genealogy like science is sharing information. Harvard style of witch hanging trying to super impose their History on anything towards the west, in the use of and intellectual PBS, which does not realize that genetics of race is not black and white, but DNA. To utilize PBS genealogy an put it above people religiously born into it, and have the only four year program in it at Brigham Young University, are a people which are not family historians or geneticists. For one to do genealogy ones does not kick out the in-laws. For one to do science if genetics is a science, one does not silence free thought. Match a Finch at twenty-five markers exactly. German ‘fink’, in English is a ‘finch’, a cross between the two is a ‘finck’; https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Finck
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Mark ElliottJune 14 @ 11:39am
https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3613163?dpr=2&fit=max&h=397&w=590 The ‘-would’ in ‘Elwould’, likely traveled from Yorkshire. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/blaeu-1650-Yorkes-Would.jpg Woody Hewitt, hope you understand everyone in the data stream is part of the research. https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3613170?dpr=2&fit=max&h=397&w=590 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Saxton-1579.jpg The Border Papers: 1560-1594.- Vol. 2. 1595-1603 Great Britain. Public Record Office H.M. General Register House, 1894 – Great Britain https://books.google.com/books?id=tNINAQAAMAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&dq=Calendar+of+Border+Papers&source=gbs_navlinks_s https://named.publicprofiler.org/ https://peopleofthebritishisles.web.ox.ac.uk/population-genetics ‘Danes’
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Mark ElliottJune 14 @ 9:43am
https://books.google.com/books?id=5yBMAAAAcAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=Miscellaneous+Prose+Works+Provincial+antiquities+of+Scotland+Volume+5+Walter+Scott+Baudry+1838&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwif-PaR0IHqAhWWZ80KHSwdD6wQ6AEwAHoECAIQAg#v=onepage&q=Lairistoun&f=false https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Scottish-settlements-in-North-Carolina-before-the-Revolution.jpg If Episcopalian-Methodist, could be Scots Royalist indenture. Nobody would want to admit this about family; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Sarah-Knight-father-Thomas-Kemble.jpg https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Alexander-Gordon-John-and-Daniel-Stone-Thomas-Kemble-and-Daniel-Elliot.jpg Immigrant Daniel Elliot knew that Thomas Kemble. My Y-DNA 600 years ago was in the area of Kirkandrews of the Esk where a Graham peel tower now stands, https://gorrenberry.com/john-elwald-1418-rector-st-andrews-conn-mcconnell-mccall-dna-kirkinner-carnesmole/ near where the Hewit are from along with the Nixon, and Crozier is not living in Liddesdale. http://clancrozier.com/clan-nixon/ 600/30= twenty generations. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kirkandrews,+UK/@55.022097,-3.0496329,12z
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Mark ElliottJune 14 @ 9:17am
Just a bunch of Border Reivers from back in the Anglo-Saxon Gresham days. Should know better then relating themselves to the Nixon-Dixon, and Graham. Do not want the deal with those Hunter (thieves from Tyndale), they are my in-laws. https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/2216763?dpr=2&fit=max&h=319&w=590 The Robert with the same SNP is one off with a ’10’, in the twelve markers. Got your number Woody Hewitt, and a couple of Roberts. Sounds like a chieftain name but today the Elliott are privileged they have a Margaret. https://elwald.com/clan-elliot-29th-chief-margaret-eliott-of-redhuegh-stobs/ Top, middle, and bottom, Hewitt.
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Mark ElliottJune 14 @ 8:51am
The Border Papers: 1560-1594.- Vol. 2. 1595-1603 By Great Britain. Public Record Office https://books.google.com/books?id=tNINAQAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=Calendar+of+Border+Papers&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjFktm1xYHqAhVVCc0KHaS7A5kQ6AEwAHoECAEQAg#v=onepage&q=Hewit&f=false No wonder the admin did not want to go back earlier in his history. He’s a border reiver, how about that and we share Y-DNA, at least the first twelve markers. For all I know the name ‘Hewit’ could be a spin off or Elwald/Ellot. The ‘Hewit’, those are riding with the ‘Nixon/Dixon’, and ‘Graham’, no wonder the admin is on the quite about his surname, before 1600. Cumberland Ward musters near Carlisle. Link to map of region; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Saxton-1579.jpg https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Armstrong-Graham-1576-border-tower-map-Saxton-1.jpg Those English Graham of Netherby, do not want to admit but they married Ellott, and put a fish garth on the Esk block salmon from traveling into Scotland. Be happy if you are not related to those Graham. https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3611369?dpr=2&fit=max&h=542&w=590 There was a Graham/Grame when land was passed to Robert Elwald 10, today, Margaret is our 29th chief; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sasine_deed_1484_for_Robert_Elwald_%28Elliot%29,_Redheugh,_Larriston,_Hartsgarth.jpg The heart of ‘Angus’; Archibald ‘Bell the Cat’ Douglas V Earl of Angus, is next to Sir James Douglas which carried the heart of Robert the Bruce. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sir_James_Douglas_heart_casket.JPG Sometimes when you do genealogy, one does not always find the worst of relatives, but to get the family tree right they must be included also. The name Hewit may be all right for a Border Reiver; Hew, Hewe, v.1 Also: heugh. P.t. hew, hewit, -yt. P.p. hewin, -yn, -en, hevin. [ME. hew(e, hewen (p.t. heud, hewed; p.p. hewen, hewed), OE. héawan (p.t. héow, p.p. héawen). See also Heuch p.t.] https://dsl.ac.uk/entry/dost/hew_v_1 1. intr. To strike hard, deliver severe blows, with a sharp weapon. Would one maybe consider the surname ‘Hewit’, as occupational. Note that the admin’s name is not ‘Hewit’, but ‘Hewitt’. And we match the first twelve markers.
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Mark ElliottJune 14 @ 8:29am
https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Would you believe like Hewit and Hewitt, there is an Elliot and Elliott. https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Armstrong-Elliott-Johnston-Fermanagh-surname-distribution-map-1024×904.png Could that be Border Reiving ‘Hewit’, and ‘Elliot’, when they move onto to Ulster add a ‘t’ ? Don’t worry admin ‘Hewit’ does not seem to be a name among Border Reivers though it’s hotspot is indicating so.
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Mark ElliottJune 13 @ 6:16pm
Woody Hewitt, Do not know which Hewitt you are but we all are lucky now to be able to share concepts among each other. There are a lot of qualified individuals in group this gives the forum we all need. See the Joyce of Ireland enveloped in between the Hewitt. Don’t you dare under estimate the capabilities of the other two Hewitt help come up with a more refined answer on the match first 12 markers. Feel Gresham Castle Norfolk, East Anglia is ground zero for the markers in East Anglia of the UK. With support through PoBI https://www.peopleofthebritishisles.org/ Joyce is Ireland https://forebears.io/surnames/joyce Gresham (England) > Grisham (America but some English) > Grissom (beyond the UK) Note; ‘Fink’ in German, is ‘Finch’ in English https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Finch,1890:Finck,1890:Fink Note there is a Grisham (Native American), Daniel Elliot immigrant had one childed he raised, and lived in Boston. His son Daniel had seven. Feel he was half Native American, rest of family lived near Saxonville, North Framingham. Wife was Native American. Immigrant Daniel never had record of remarrying. Feel he left family with wife’s family and traveled from Boston to visit the other side of his family of raised with Native American. Feel this Native American share immigrant indentured Daniel Elliot as same grand parent. This would be 12 generations beyond any auto-somal DNA reach. Would give me less than half a percent Native American, where Y-DNA rating about 1%. Pretty certain this Native American Grisham is about my 10th cousin. Immigrant Daniel Elliot did raise oldest son Daniel in Anglo-European Puritan at first society. This Native American is my cousin from immigrant Daniel Elliot of Massachusetts Colony arriving in about 1650, as a Cromwellian Civil War Royalist indenture referred to as ‘slave’. Lets get the forum going and find family. Put this DNA across the North Sea.
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Mark ElliottJune 14 @ 7:33am
https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3612968?dpr=2&fit=max&h=276&w=590 There is something in those first twelve markers which travel without mutations which gives history today and in the past from those who carry them; 14, 24, 14, 11, 11-14, 12, 12, 11, 13, 13, 29, to excluded anyone from expression destroys that history, and gives it to the which hanging Harvard like in Harvard genealogy judges, which feel their history is correct and makes the genealogy support their history as on PBS, utilizing a black person from Harvard. As far as true genetic science applied to race, race is not black and white, because a Native American, and an Anglo-European, can have the same twelve marker grandfather of twelve generations back, yet have different skin coloration. One can be 99.6% of American Native DNA, and the other 99.6% of European DNA, and different skin pigmentation, and yet carry the same Y-DNA. Example; Cromwellian POW-Scots of 1650 first working sugar plantations in the English Colonial Plantation of Barbados. Black are then brought in to Barbados from different African tribes of West Africa. The Scots, and Irish Gaelic with Highland Gaelic speaking Scots like the mother of the president with red hair, passed genetically to son. https://www.scotsman.com/whats-on/arts-and-entertainment/guy-hewitt-barbados-remembers-scots-heritage-st-andrews-day-1461307 Though the genetics shows this to be so, people will write need extremely a small amount of referencing, that this did not happen, because that is what people want to believe in. The is what makes for Hitler’s superior race, false genetics. Like having TIP calculation inputting 30 years a generation and outputting answers to the nearest hundredth of a percent what one calls false genetic science.
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Mark ElliottJune 13 @ 7:49pm
https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3612674?dpr=2&fit=max&h=351&w=590 Why Crowland/Croyland, because before 1650 of the draining of the Fens, Crowland/Croyland was above water. https://archive.org/details/chroniclesofarms00arms/page/31/mode/2up https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3348693?dpr=2&fit=max&h=437&w=590 https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Aldano-filio-Alfwald-Alan-son-of-Elfwald.jpg 1125ca Know I really missed things up with my 29th chief who likely thinks I’m a vagabond from the western US; https://elwald.com/clan-elliot-29th-chief-margaret-eliott-of-redhuegh-stobs/ The I-M253 Fairbairn (fair bear), and Elliot (Anglo-Danish elk), are Y-DNA related; https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Fairbairn-I-M253-Elliott-Viking-add-mix-James-Irvine-Irwin-FTDNA.png in accordance with the stories of the Fairy Bear.
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James Mauris “Pete” Grisham
June 12 @ 8:06am
I am thrilled to have Woody as our new project administrator of the group. With his knowledge and research experience I foresee great things for all our participants,
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Woody Hewitt
June 12 @ 10:59am
Thank you James, I’m really looking forward to working with everyone in the group to make as many discoveries as we can together. I think working together as a team we can plug those holes in our ancestries that may have blocked your progress. As you’ve probably already noticed my surname is Hewitt but thanks to yDNA testing I learned that I’m actually a Gresham descendant. Actually Shawn Hewitt and I discovered that we are descendants of two unique lines of Hewitt families who settled Onslow County, North Carolina in the 1700s who are actually Gresham family descendants. Since making that discovery I’ve spent a great deal of my research exploring our Gresham heritage. I encourage everyone to post a summary of any family history mysteries that you may have discovered along the way. I’m hoping by working together we can assist each in our research and uncover new clues that may lead to new discoveries.
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Mark Elliott
June 13 @ 8:57am
For Austin Grisham, https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1996:Austing,1996:Austin
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June 13 @ 4:11pm
Mark, my surname is Grisham. Given name Austin. Thanks for posting. When I changed to Grisham/Gresham the dots were in Germany. I expected England?
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Mark Elliott
June 13 @ 7:09pm
Austin is felt to be a recent name migration to Germany, but found where Gresham seem to be found in UK. https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Feel that the first 12 markers are Germanic-Danish though. As show in surname evolution of Fink>Finck>Finch where German ‘Fink’ means the English ‘Finch’ (a species of bird). https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Finch,1890:Finck,1890:Fink The name Finck between that of Fink and Finch seems to show the line of migration. Dog/wolf the word ‘wolf’ is both English and German and one of the older surnames, https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Wolf https://forebears.io/surnames/wolf Strong ‘hotspot’ East Anglia https://named.publicprofiler.org/ travel with man on hunts. https://g8fip1kplyr33r3krz5b97d1-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/German-wolves.gif
Though had a lot of tree filled in the Dana Leads method for autosomal DNA seems like a method a lot of people have been using to fill in missing spots. https://www.danaleeds.com/the-leeds-method-with-dots/ https://dna-explained.com/2018/09/26/the-leeds-method/ https://www.rootstech.org/video/you-can-do-dna
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Mark ElliottJune 13 @ 11:26am
https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Neil,1890:Niel,1890:Nael,1890:Neilsen,1890:Nielsen,1890:Nelsen,1890:Nelson,1890:Nielson https://forebears.io/surnames/nielsen https://named.publicprofiler.org/ May be a locality the people who acquired the surname Gresham came from.
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Mark ElliottJune 13 @ 8:49am
And a good two thumbs up to those BRIGHAM (bridge-home) PEOPLE religiously born into genealogy.
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Mark ElliottJune 13 @ 8:45am
This is my message to the FTDNA Team.
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Mark ElliottJune 13 @ 8:39am
https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3612099?dpr=2&fit=max&h=305&w=590 Also match the Cave of North and South Cave, this is bringing interest among the Scott. The Wake of the Bourne (Bear), and Stuteville, had land in the border region of Liddel Water, of Liddel Strength Castle in the region. How do you thing some of the DNA inclusive of J-M172 of the Scott traveled their? How do you think some Gresham-Grisham-Grissom got to America with their first twelve markers shared with me?
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Mark ElliottJune 13 @ 8:35am
https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3612093?dpr=2&fit=max&h=276&w=590 First twelve markers match surname and place name Scarborough. https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/scarborough/dna-results
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Mark ElliottJune 13 @ 8:15am
https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3612060?dpr=2&fit=max&h=379&w=590 A writer in the United Kingdom, can be an authority on the Elliott, Elliott Y-DNA or the surname, use extremely few references, and say the Gorrenberry Elliott are dead when they had been transported as Cromwellian slaves to the New England Colony, and their parliamentarian government laughs at this; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/SELLING-SCOTS-AS-SLAVES-IS-FUNNY-TO-THE-TORIES-2.mp4 https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Scottish-Barbados-Indentures.mp4?_=2 They fly the flag of genocide of Armstrong and Elliott called the Union-Jack https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Armstrong-Border-Pacification-Genocide-BBC.mp4 You have to choose to silence like Hitler did for the Jews and use a Hitler “status quo” Harvard Cotton Mather witch hanging science of silencing to get at truth of the shared science of true sciences open to any form of presentation, plus encouraging it. Go by the Wiki of the Union Jack on Clan Elliot, if you in support of Hitler’s superior race science otherwise go by what the Clan Elliot of Germany is doing today; https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Elliot As others have done you need to kick me off this feed also to give superior race it’s scientific go through.
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Mark Elliott
June 12 @ 11:27am
The key to the Gresham is place name Gresham Castle, and many different surnames carry the first 12 markers, likely not NPE, but acquiring during surname adoption of regional Anglo-Saxon surname adoption. R-L21 Gresham, R-U106 Elwald (ie a form of Elliott), downstream R-P312. You will see a bunch of us odd balls basically Norfolk to Lincolnshire to East Riding Yorkshire. If you throw them out it will be like throwing a Hewitt out, but if you map out their surname hot spots entering locality will be made visible.
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Mark Elliott
June 12 @ 12:55pm
Also note about estimated two thirds of the Gresham-Grisham-Grissom, carry similar Y-DNA, which says over eight centuries not many NPE for them. Tentatively have the first 12 markers map into the R-P312, where I feel the R-L21 and R-U106 branch is, which puts them a good ways back in time.
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Woody Hewitt
June 13 @ 6:57am
Our TMRCA to several of our Gresham (and variants) matches (111 marker) in the US group is in 1650 (+/- 50 yrs) based upon the tool we’re using to estimate that date. Records have revealed that the first Gresham immigrants arrived in the American colonies in 1635 and 1650. We believe that’s when the surname to Hewitt occurred but we’re uncertain as to why.
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Mark Elliott
June 13 @ 7:36am
Names combine. Eliot (Breton) + Ellot (Angus Scots) = Elliot Huet (Breton) + Hew (Dutch-English) = Hewit Sometimes merge; Anglo-Saxon Elwald-Elwold-Elwood-Ellot-Elliot. Above are trended examples in name evolution. Because am rare from Anglo-Saxon authors write I do not exist. https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Cowie-of-Gorrenberry-death.jpg Have a rare Y-DNA, therefore I must not exist and the Elwald to Elliot does not exist. These people are not Elliot which write their comments. In the book of genealogy when an individual says some one of a given surname is not right about their name then the are anti-family historians, and of not family but accepted Kingdom-Nation support the regimental thoughts. Note I did not say you are incorrect about you name, if I did I would not be a genealogist, but if you say I am incorrect about my name of if I am ever dismissed from this activity feed for doing genealogy then this is not a genealogical feed. Been kick off an circumvented so many feeds finding the solution to the first twelve markers I feel will be one of the greatest break troughs in genetic-genealogical history. Descended from Andrew (Dand the Cowie), Elwald/Ellot of the sixteenth century. Am descended not from the Redheugh line, but the Gorrenberry line of Elwald/Ellot. https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/2479712?dpr=2&fit=max&h=302&w=590 An early resident of Bec was Alanus Elfwold (1248) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beck_Hall
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Mark ElliottJune 12 @ 10:43am
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