Digging Through History of Border Reivers-Tim Elliott
How family members are being successful at family history;
THE FAMILY KNOWS BEST.
LISTEN TO OTHERS, ESPECIALLY PEOPLE OF THE OPPISTE SEX, WHEN IT COMES TO FAMILY.
WHEN FINDING FAMILY DO NOT GET RID OF THE IN-LAWS EVEN IF YOU WANT TO.
FAMILIES FIGHT, THOUGH DISAGREEMENT, BOTH POSITIONS-ANSWERS ARE LIKELY CORRECT.
IF THE FAMILY’S HISTORY IS DONE PROPERLY, ONE DO NOT GET TO CHOOSE THEIR RELATIVES THEY AR BORN WITH THEM.
THE FAMILY KNOWS BEST. Anything which is presented as pasted down as family history by a member of the family is accepted as being correct. If someone not of the family line expresses it being incorrect, they may be a historian, but not a family historian.
LISTEN TO OTHERS, ESPECIALLY PEOPLE OF THE OPPISTE SEX, WHEN IT COMES TO FAMILY.
People of the opposite sex see things differently and will offer a different perspective when seeking information about family.
WHEN FINDING FAMILY DO NOT GET RID OF THE IN-LAWS EVEN IF YOU WANT TO. If there are relatives that you do not want to be related to, put them in because they may be linked to relatives you want to be related to.
FAMILIES FIGHT, THOUGH DISAGREEMENT, BOTH POSITIONS-ANSWERS ARE LIKELY CORRECT. Any information you may receive is helpful, and is likely as correct as ones own.
IF THE FAMILY’S HISTORY IS DONE PROPERLY, ONE DO NOT GET TO CHOOSE THEIR RELATIVES THEY AR BORN WITH THEM. (self explanatory).
مدرسة الكويكرز الفلسطينية التي صمدت 150 عامًا من الحرب والاحتلال – كويكر سبيك
تأسست مدرسة أصدقاء رام الله عام ١٨٦٩ على يد اثنين من الأصدقاء من نيو إنجلاند، حين كانت فلسطين لا تزال تحت الحكم العثماني، وتوسعت لاحقًا لتضم حرمين جامعيين في مدينتي رام الله والبيرة المتجاورتين. وقد أجرت QuakerSpeak مؤخرًا مقابلات عبر تطبيق زووم مع رانيا معايه، مديرة المدرسة، وعمر تسديل، أمين مجلس أمنائها.
صمدت المدرسة لعقود من العنف خلال الاحتلال الإسرائيلي للضفة الغربية، بل وتعرضت لهجمات في بعض الأحيان، لكنها ما زالت مزدهرة. يقول عمر: “عندما يبدو الأمل معدومًا، نسعى جاهدين لتوفير ملاذ آمن يشعر فيه الناس بالترحيب والحرية، بينما هم خارج أسوار المدرسة ليسوا أحرارًا على الإطلاق”.
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American Friends Service Committee – Speed read – NobelPrize.org
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Поскольку у меня нет доступа к набору FTDNA №101829, пожалуйста, используйте набор YSEQ №4069, чтобы найти для меня семейного историка Марка Стефан Эллиотта.
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Поскольку у меня нет доступа к набору FTDNA №101829, пожалуйста, используйте набор YSEQ №4069, чтобы найти для меня семейного историка Марка Стефан Эллиотта.
Michael Moore: English Civil War: Battle of Worcester 1651 | PBS LearningMedia
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On Will of Robt Elliot and family, New Castle, Kittery, Maine b. 1643 by MSE 5/23/2012
Fathers-Father-4-Robert-Elliot-and-Colonial-Maine-Royalists.pdf MSE
Chasing-my-Y-DNA-part-28.pdf MSE
Difficult to Transcribe plus Confusion and a Result with Clarification-1.pdf MSE-7-19-2012
Graham Grantham Ancient Roman J-M267 DNA – Gorrenberry
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Fathers-Father-4-Robert-Elliot-and-Colonial-Maine-Royalists.pdf MSE
Chasing-my-Y-DNA-part-57.pdf MSE 3-27-2013
A true and exact history of the island of Barbados | Project Gutenberg
Scottish Poetry Selection – Wha Daur Meddle Wi’ Me?
The royal coat of arms in Scotland has the Latin motto “Nemo me impune lacessit“. The English translation of this is “Nobody interferes with me with impunity” and this is often defiantly expressed in broad Scots as “Wha daur meddle wi’ me?” which is the title of this anonymous poem. But on this occasion it is being aggressively repeated by a member of the Elliot family, one of the Border families who not only fought their neighbours but were part of the first line of defence against marauding English invaders – and could sometimes defy the Scottish monarch as well!
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Tullykelter-to-America 3/1/2012 Mark Elliott PDF
Die Riding Clans in Ulster von Robert Bell PDF
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Peace On The Border
After the riding we dispersed We drifted home in twos and threes Through cold and rain we spat and cursed This ancient war of families
In Barbados Anglican-Royalist Scot POW from the English Civil War 1650 were indentured to the Barbados Plantation, this a precursor to the African slaves.
В этот бесценный момент во всей истории человечества все люди на этой Земле поистине едины – едины в своей гордости за то, что вы сделали, и едины в своих молитвах о вашем благополучном возвращении на Землю.
АСТРОНАВТ АРМСТРОНГ. Спасибо, господин Президент.
The harp on the royalist flag symbolizes the Gaelic-Irish-Scots. US President Donald Trump’s mother comes from this line, and golf is a Scottish game. The Gaelic-Irish-Scots welcomed us border dwellers after the death of Queen Elizabeth I. Robert Bruce Armstrong published books on the harp and the Scottish-English Border.
Tim Elliott
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Hi Mark
I have a long held interest in European history, particularly Roman history and the “Barbarian” tribes. I have been following the archeological developments that have been sheddling light on these cultures, which were largely villified through history. This is a recurring theme.
When I started digging through the history of the border reivers I felt I recognised this theme. It appears we have had the same treatement. What if I was to assume virtually everything written was history written by the victors? There are little or no records from within the borders during their history. Virtually all of the description is by what was essentially the enemy. To this day, enemies of state are villified, often far beyond reason.
So if you step back and ignore virtually everything in writing, what are you left with? The borders are Viking. Viking is not a people or even a culture, it was way of life. Its a poor term. Norse might be better. The legal system is essentially the same as the Norse system. You even see rare references to “thing”, the term “Danelaw” used instead of border law etc. Light cavalrie that dismounts to fight is the Viking way, the weapons are Norse. Its a long list. Poetry as another example. Warrior poets the archtypal men of Odin. If you compare the border culture to the modern understanding of Old Norse/Germanic culture it is indestinguishable. As these were tribal systems, the adherence to a way of life was the defining characteristic of the people. In reality, this goes back further to the Battle Axe people. The Border Reivers way of life can be traced back a long way. The Tribe/Clan system is completely distinct from the modern Christian world.
So, if you assume as alternative point of view the Clans/Tribes were of the Norse type, how does the story look? Almost everything I have seen tries to tie the DNA to a name, with a lot of speculation around phonetic links to old spellings. But if the clans are not families at all, but the remnants of Norse war bands still clinging to land taken by Halfdan Ragnarsson in the 870s, then you would expect multiple paternal lines and you would expect gene soup, haplogroups from everywhere. Norse tribes practiced adoption, if you could live the tribe/warbands way, you could join. They are not patriarchal like Christian names.
The reason for so much misinformation, much of which borders on the ridiculous comes down to land claims. For any part of Europe there are and always have been multiple claims of ownership. You could argue the Church and Universities have sold historical justifications for these claims and done little else.
The claim by right of conquest of the Northern part of England by the Danes would have had meaning to them. At the time of the colonisation of England, there was a religious war being fought. The Christianisation of Scandinavia was not a gentle processs. The Norse belief system was well entrenched and conversion was by torture. Convert or be blinded, maimed or burned alive. They will still burning Reivers alive as heretics hundreds of years later, wetting the sticks down to slow the burning. I find it unlikely this was due to poor church attendance.
I stumbled accross the story from online in one of the genealogy forums of a story told at a clan conference of the Elliotts and Armstrongs own belief that there was a blood oath between the clans, that they came from a union between a princess and a bear. So I went looking for that story.
This is always passed off as fanciful when I see it. However, from a Norse/Old Germanic perspective a Bear or Spirit bear is a Berserker. A Warrior Shaman of Odin. Its another name for Norse nobility. “Of the line of Odin” was not patriarchal, as they did not keep detailed geneaological records. It was more like a livestock type. Bull of the type Angus, Human of the type bear. Childen of seen to have the right characteristics were inducted into the Cult of Odin through an initiation process. Bjorn is just Bear in Norse. So a princess and a spirit bear is a Princess and a Bear Shaman, who were typically the Norse equivalent of nobility.
This is where looking for the story took me.
There are many versions of this. If you can trace the princess and the bear to Thorkill Sprakaleg (found under dozens of names) then to his two sons. There are many versions of their lineage.
From a Norse perspective as we know it today, none of this is so complicated. Ulf is Wolf in old Norse, Bjorn/Beorn etc is bear. Ursius is Latin for Bear.
So now, from the perspective of the Old Norse, you have a family group or a cluster of war bands, of the Bear/Wolf cult of Odin. It is a subset of the norse peole. These were animistic pagans. Like the North American Indians there were clans within clans. A warband or clan or tribe would contain members who also had affiliations to their totem animal/chosen deity. Bears and Wolves are unique to the cult of Odin and associated with Chiefs. Though this is getting long and I have cattle to shift (We Kiwi Elliotts are still running cattle) the above individuals can be traced to the Jomsvikings and the Varangian Guard. This was essentially the resistance, or the Norse religion in Exile. So a case can be made, by looking at the location and behaviour of the participants, that the Elliotts and Armstrongs form part of the Danish Nobility, Ancient lines of Odin, in exile post the Christianisation of
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A true and exact history of the island of Barbados | Project Gutenberg
Tullykelter-to-America 3/1/2012 Mark Elliott PDF Tim Elliottto me
Hi Mark