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Jo Baran has a question!

8 hours ago

“Maybe this question is a naive one but please tell me, how is it possible for a person who has 100% Western European ancestry and zero Ashkenazy ancestry, to have a genetic matches (estimated as 3rd – 5th cousins) who are 100% Ashkenazim (have zero Western European ancestry)? ”

October 8 @ 2:52pm

You Can Do DNA – Christi Lynn Jacobsen, Dana Leeds, Diahan Southard

Click right to enlarge in new tab. https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Majkut Andrii Lundiak, (Андрій Лундяк) https://ridni.org/karta/%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BA%D1%83%D1%82 Майкут (Maykut as Anna Barna spelled it), is not showing up in the Ukraine. Not showing up in my auto-somal DNA. It is felt there needs to be some sort of correction made at the border which splits today the old region referred to as Galicia.

Mark Elliott

22 hours ago

All you have to do is web search Google or Bing ‘Brigham DNA’, you will find me. Own and operate, and have not kicked myself off of; elwald.com, and gorrenberry.com Don’t forget to check out the images. Bennett Greenspan, who started the firm FTDNA has not kicked me off the site he admins with those dang Ukrainians am trying to get to speak up so I can get my auto-somal into Eastern Galicia, which is now of the Ukraine. A difficult border for this individual with border reiver ancestors to cross. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Dorobratovo,+Zakarpattia+Oblast,+Ukraine,+90113/@48.1640617,23.0555238,8z/ You sure could assist if you could join the FTDNA Greenspan, group. Bennett Greenspan, both retired could use your assistance. Barna-Maikut-Majkut, with autosomal matches on Maikut and Majkut, now Ukrainian name Maykut. Trying to cross auto-somal from west Poland Galicia into east Ukraine Galicia; also as a Greek Catholic, and Jew. https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3674873?dpr=2&fit=max&h=295&w=590 My R-U106 only travels so far towards the east, guess I have to try to hop on that Greenspan J-M267 to get into the Ukraine. Remines me of the border ‘English’, Graham family married into along the English-Scottish Border. https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Armstrong-Graham-Bell-Ellot-Elliot-Scot-Scott-rescue-of-Kinmont-Willie..jpg From; https://gorrenberry.com/freedom-of-speech/ Scottish Middle March Border Reiving Clans (family, the history is genealogy); Armstrong, Elliott, Nixon, and Crozier; (Without the political presidential advertisements.) https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/President-Nixon-speaking-with-astronauts-Armstrong-and-Aldrin-on-the-Moon.mp4?_=28

Ted Gabany

October 8 @ 4:13pm

I agree with David D, by choosing one of the three options, “Post to the group” “Post a pitcher” or “Ask a question”. Other people in the project will be able to add to just one of the options you’ve chosen and it’s a lot easier to follow along. And add information or ask a question to that trend that your interested in. If everyone asks a question and adds a rely to the pinned post, it becomes a garbled mess. Lets say you want to add a bit of information to the first question asked on the pinned post. You’ll have to go all the way to the bottom to add your bit of information from the first question that was asked, hence the starting of a garbled mess. “Everyone please”, pick one of the three options, this will help everyone and make this a lot more effective and helpful project.

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Mark Elliott

October 8 @ 2:08pm

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Y1392andsubclades?iframe=yresults Andrii Lundiak, (Андрій Лундяк) As you pointed out linguistically the Barna/Барна surname crosses over; https://ridni.org/karta/%d0%91%d0%b0%d1%80%d0%bd%d0%b0 Thinking because of the differences in the symbols between the Ukraine, and Poland in the Galicia region, the software did not handle it yet. This border is not a political border but one it seems of language usage, script. If a founder of FTDNA Bennett Greenspan is his family research want to cross this border then the language it is felt needs to be better handled. My DNA should not be stopped on the western side of this border, nor should there be an SNP stack-up here.

Monika Wrzesinska

October 8 @ 3:43pm

The Border as it is shown on this map, has been set in 1945. Before that time, there was no boarder between the countries in that region for centuries but cultural and ethnic differences existed. The map is not very clear so it cannot be stated with certainty but concentration may relate to existence of a large city or major historical event – it is likely showing town of Kowel in northern western Ukraine. If this concentration of DNA relates to 1916 – there was a major battle there between Russians and Austrians and as Poles and Ukrainians were conscripted by both powers; often would end up fighting on the opposite sites so that may be one reason; 1919 – there was also Polish – Ukrainian war so that may explain; after war circa 1924 – it was a major polish army garrison with compulsory conscription; 1942 – genocide – people were fleeing to Kowel. If you have any indication of time, it would help.

Artur Martyka

Admin

January 28 @ 7:06am

Dear Project members. I am sorry for any delays and/or unanswered e-mails but I have many private matters to deal with, above all, and the project itself is also not working as fast as expected. Anyway, I have managed to subgroup prevously ungrouped project members that have done Big Y testing /SNP Packs/single SNPs. I am now slowly subgrouping people that did no further testing aside Y-STR markers. If there is any update on your category needed, please write e-mail and I should deal with it in a matter of week. If I don’t reply – please re-send that. I receive many e-mails daily and I can omit it sometimes. Thank you for your patience. I hope that I will have time to become more involved in the project to your good. Best, AM.

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Joseph Kraipovich

October 7 @ 1:19pm

what part of Lomza

Gail Pelsinski

October 8 @ 9:01am

I am not sure.

Gail Pelsinski

October 8 @ 9:02am

I am not sure.

David Dzivi

October 8 @ 2:28pm

Folks should not add unrelated posts on an Administrative Pinned Post. Please initiate your post by selecting the appropriate option at the top of the page. I’m sure your Admins. will be much appreciative if you would do that.

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Mark Elliott

August 30 @ 10:31am

Living DNA feels has a strong UK influence in their divisions, but basically shows Ireland in which mom’s mom a Ryan then mother a Murphy, Irish names then Smith crossing likely from the Irish Gaelic into the English, as crossing from Ireland in descendant into England with the mtDNA of H27a then through East Angia though north Germany, north Poland onto Finland. Mom’s dad a Stephen (Stefan; Polish, Stephanus; Galicia Greek Catholic), but the DNA is showing like I felt the biggest brick wall this Y-DNA descendant of Clementis Hobs ie Clement Crozier’s sister’s son Robert Elliott, has to try to get through ca1540. Though over a half century ago a Nixon talked to and Armstrong on the moon about ‘peace on earth’ . During “The Troubles” in Ireland we moved to Germany; https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3547747?dpr=2&fit=max&h=408&w=590 https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Elliot Have 29th chief in Redheugh of region family of Middle March, Armstrong, Elliott, Nixon, and Crozier are from; https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Reiver-Trail-Magaret-Eliott-chief.mp4 Were on the side of Catholic Queen Marie of Scotland guarding The Hermitage Castle, but exiled to Ireland. Most people silence me but the UK and the EU have a border wrapped around us in County Fermanagh, Ireland. The Presbyterian ‘Mc-‘ fight their old Catholic ‘Mac- ‘ used this region of Irish and Border Exiled as a battle ground. Borders make for battle lines even today. Still trying to exile us as they did in creating the UK flying their flag the Union Jack, similar. James VI of Scotland becoming James I of England took the English army and exiled and killed us of. Hitler lost his war, what would happen if he won it? https://www.historyireland.com/early-modern-history-1500-1700/sheep-stealers-from-the-north-of-england-the-riding-clans-in-ulster-by-robert-bell/ Would have short bits of Jewish history like given which people would refuse to read thinking what Hitler gave them is the truth about the Jews. DON’T GET TO CHOOSE THE ANCESTORS. ARE BORN WITH THEM IN THE DNA.

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Monika Wrzesinska

October 4 @ 5:08pm

They were all greco catholics, who did not subscribe to specific country of origin as they consisted of many – poles, slovaks and ukrainians but bonded by specific language and customs. I hope this makes sense and I hope this may provide some understanding why there is such a confusion trying to find about people from that region and I hope this may confirm or disconfirm some of your hypothesis

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Andrii Lundiak

October 6 @ 1:59pm

Just in case Barna/Барна spread in West of Ukraine: https://ridni.org/karta/%d0%91%d0%b0%d1%80%d0%bd%d0%b0

Mark Elliott

October 8 @ 1:30pm

Andrii Lundiak, (Андрій Лундяк) (Retired but a fellow instructor taught math also at secondary, Gallup High, and University of New Mexico, Gallup, from the Ukraine she is married to someone with my surname of Elliott). Excellent that is just what I have been looking for. It puts the Barna, name into the Ukraine, Eastern Galicia, the Old Western Ukrainian Republic. J-M267 Bennett Grenspan, DNA of the Ukraine; https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Jews-of-Galicia-Poland-Ukraine-Hungry-Slovak.jpg Having Barna name span into the Ukraine, indicative of a misdistribution anomaly at the split of Galicia. Should be showing auto-somal DNA in the Ukraine.

Mark Elliott

October 8 @ 2:23pm

Monika Wrzesinska, Though the spelling for Spis, as Spisz, for Mraz, in Boonton, NJ it is also Mrasz, but have not figure relation to relatives. Found ‘Barna’, also meant ‘children’, and like you said utilized many other places, but in areas where my mother’s maiden name father’s line is of. Thank You for your assistance.

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Joseph Kraipovich has a question!

October 7 @ 1:23pm

“Hi anyone searching the Makowski’s in Lomza? My grandfather was from there his name was Jan Makowski and he was born on 1/10/1890 ”

Mark Elliott

October 5 @ 10:23am

click right to enlarge in new tab https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Kromka https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Mraz The Greco Catholic name Maÿkut became; Maykut, Maikut, and Majkut. https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Maikut https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Majkut https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Elliott (Elliott is not a Polish name but these people may have returned to their homeland) Monika Wrzesinska 17 hours ago “They were all greco catholics, who did not subscribe to specific country of origin as they consisted of many – poles, slovaks and ukrainians but bonded by specific language and customs. I hope this makes sense and I hope this may provide some understanding why there is such a confusion trying to find about people from that region and I hope this may confirm or disconfirm some of your hypothesis” Hope the above helps to clarify my family tree with the use of auto-somal DNA. For mom’s mtDNA and dad’s Y-DNA do go beyond auto-somal DNA and also reach into Poland.

Halina Marciniec

September 21 @ 8:28pm

Hi. Nick here, writing from my mum’s account. I’m trying to find out more about my mum’s dad’s family. My grandfather, Franciszek was born in Rzeszow, Poland in 1916. According to my mum, he was a second lieutenant in the Polish Armed Forces in the West. His brother Janek was a sergeant in Polish Air Force in Great Britain (https://listakrzystka.pl/en/marciniec-jan-wladyslaw/). My grandfather met my grandmother in Scotland during/slightly after WWII. I am wondering where I could find out more – I know from my grandfather’s death certificate that his dad was called Antoni and was a builder’s merchant but that’s about it. Any help would be appreciated.

Thomas Bartold

September 24 @ 3:26am

Is this him? https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVD3-FNVX

Halina Marciniec

September 24 @ 5:14am

Yes, that’s my grandfather. Thanks Thomas. I might check with my mum before ordering the marriage certificate but unfortunately I read that in the UK during that period, these only include the groom’s father’s name. Unfortunately, it’s my grandfather’s mother’s name which I’m missing. I have a feeling there are records in Poland which could help but am not sure if they have been digitised. My mum tells me he was Catholic.

Thomas Bartold

September 25 @ 11:07pm

If you know which parish he was born in, this would be a place to look: https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20&query=%2Bauthor%3AParafja%20%2Bauthor%3Arzesz%C3%B3w There seem to be a lot of Marciniec in Chmielnik: https://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php?op=gt&lang=pol&bdm=B&w=09pk&rid=3558&search_lastname=Marciniec&search_name=&search_lastname2=&search_name2=&from_date=&to_date=&near=1 But you’re right, it’s only digitized before 1900.

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Halina Marciniec

October 4 @ 3:25am

Thanks Thomas. I didn’t realise there were Polish church records on the FamilySearch catalog. Interesting. Admittely, I’d have to refer to indexes since I can’t read Polish and don’t know which parish he was born in. Do you have any experience with a genealogist who might be able to help?

Mark Elliott

September 27 @ 11:40am

Mark Elliott

October 1 @ 1:45pm

Michał Kokowski, Is highly knowledgeable about Galicia. Where his ancestry is from. https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Kokowski Nicolaus Copernicus, Polish: Mikołaj Kopernik; https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Kopernik Polish surname density near Kraków, Poland

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David Dzivi

2 hours ago

Mark, I’m not sure what it is you’re trying to accomplish with all the graphics you post. Perhaps you could explain your goal for those of us who are wondering?

Mark Elliott

29 minutes ago

Y-DNA and mtDNA as opposed to auto-somal DNA reaches down through the generations, beyond that of eight for auto-somal. With the mtDNA H27a, it is most certain it traveled from Finland, to north Poland through Denmark-Germany, onto as East Anglica, as LivingDNA puts at about a quarter of my DNA through Lancashire onto the Dublin region down to Cork, Ireland (family docs) then from mom born in Troy, New York. With FTDNA logic of putting in to a TIP calculator, one sig fig 30 gens/year and coming out with percent to the nearest hundredth this is false science therefore false genetic. The output is not that precise, but is a rough estimate. The above shows that about 28 of the 41 are of Finland, and since only one marker is to the east the migration most likely for mtDNA H27a is westward. It also shows that is crosses path with the Y-DNA of R-U106>…>S163631 downstream point is limited to FTDNA but tested >A6719>A6722 by YSEQ. David Dzivi, am like a kid in a genealogical scientific mathematical genetically applied candy shop, since these pseudo sciences which out sharing searching correcting, and having that of application, and are silencers which neither genealogists or scientists which allows me this numerical candy shop of genealogical genetic application to find family. 28 Mar 1692 many great as verified by the Daniel Elliot cluster testified in defense of Elizabeth Proctor, witnessing a girl accuser say they were doing it out of sport. The Harvard educated silenced people by hanging witches. It took about a decade for these Harvard scientists-judges to realize but not recognized that many great was correct. Figure it will take a decade for these Harvard types of ‘status quo’, ‘superior race’ types to realize that those of a family are correct about their family, and not to distort the science to maintain the ‘status quo’, but to correct the history to match the DNA. Unless one corrects the history to the DNA science, one can expect to live like silencers, anti-freedom of speech people to live in their own created world. The distribution shows that my mtDNA came from Finland to go to Ireland then on to the United States, and it is important knowledge when LivingDNA shows about a quarter of my DNA is of East Anglia. An applied family search candy shop for me. Because my ownership of domains elwald.com and gorrenberry.com, and not going to kick myself off of them, have guaranteed myself ‘freedom of speech’, and if I run the level of accuracy as many great ‘they did it out of sport’, and Harvard runs the accuracy of witch hanging Harvard grads at the time, on the web the ones which want info for their family history who will they go to Harvard or me? The information is there, but is seems like many admins which silence people still carry on the mentality towards science, genetics, genealogy of those Harvard people in 1692 Salem.

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Mark Elliott

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https://www.slideshare.net/FamilyTreeDNA/hammer-ft-dna2016 3 Step Match mtDNA H27a Earliest Known Ancestor: Ksenia Chertovsky, 1850, Velsk, Russia Marker Location: Russian Federation, Province of Arkhangelsk, Velsk https://www.google.com/maps/place/Velsk,+Arkhangelsk+Oblast,+Russia/ Does not that beat all. It looks like previous to Finland, my mtDNA H27a came out of Russia.

Mark Elliott

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Mark Elliott

16 hours ago

Age: 999.3 ± 1,307.8; CI=95% (Behar et al., 2012b) Less than 2,300 years ago. Migration out of Finland to north Poland likely a reduction in age.

László Varsányi

21 hours ago

442 Viking skeletons from outside Scandinavia were sequenced by Eske Willerslev’s lab, producing whole genome sequences for both men and women from sites in Scotland, Ukraine, Poland, Russia, the Baltic, Iceland, Greenland and elsewhere in continental Europe. They were then compared to known Viking samples from Scandinavia. 442 Ancient Viking Skeletons Hold DNA Surprises – Does Your Y or Mitochondrial DNA Match? Daily Updates Here! | DNAeXplained – Genetic Genealogy https://dna-explained.com/2020/09/18/442-ancient-viking-skeletons-hold-dna-surprises-does-your-y-or-mitochondrial-dna-match-daily-updates-here/?fbclid=IwAR3063sPYEKHqlQUULQBy0S8AXZSBJIvYZPJqagLtK3OPGiT9-v2XrKpwq0

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Mark Elliott

16 hours ago

Noted they found a H27f, were my H27a is also found in Sweden, https://www.familytreedna.com/public/mt-dna-haplotree/H;name=H27a Though mainly of Finland. Also found in Poland. The H27f is listed for me as a ‘Murphy’, from Ireland. From Finland to East Anglia, England likely traveled through, north Poland, and Hamburg region of north Germany.

Mark Elliott

18 hours ago

click right for enlarged image Balaš https://forebears.io/surnames/bala%C5%A1 Moravian. First wife brought up Moravian, from Winston-Salem, NC. They produce cigarettes there.

Mark Elliott

September 11 @ 1:44pm

Hammer FTDNA 2016 Michael Hammer’s presentation https://www.slideshare.net/FamilyTreeDNA/hammer-ft-dna2016 Cousin Hammer seems to have stopped me in Poland.

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Mark Elliott

19 hours ago

https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/%C5%81o%C5%9B Łoś https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Elliott Figure the ‘moose’ in Polish ‘Łoś’, and Elliott are from nearby Kraków, Poland, with their R1b-U106. Where there are ‘moose’ there are ‘wolfs’. https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Wilk Kraków, Poland seem to have their share of the wolf (wilk). http://www.jewish-guide.pl/images/articles/history_of_galicia_map.jpg https://cdn3.f-cdn.com//files/download/71355133/clade%20central.jpg https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Armstrong-Fairy-Bear-story-11.png https://gorrenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Elliott-Fairbairn-I-M253-Anglo-Danish-match-up.jpg

Jordi Mestres

September 14 @ 7:19am

Hi all, apologies to insist: still very much interested to identify the polish man who ordered a BigY at FTDNA and got his Y-DNA classified as R1a-KMS45.

Mark Elliott

September 14 @ 7:53am

In reference to; FGC10232 and Y5992 parent SNPs. “In addition, even though this is not reflexted in Ytree, I got recently a subclade match (Y5992+) with a sample from Poland and we are now both classified in FamilyTreeDNA as subclade KMS45. So, we have now two samples from Poland and Spain connected under subclade KMS45, providing further evidence for a possible Alan descend.” http://www.rodstvo.ru/forum/lofiversion/index.php?t9458.html From Catalonia, Spain region? ‘Mestres’, Catalan similar to the Spanish ‘maestro’ for teaching. Am a retired math-science (secondary physics/chmistry) -computer (ForTran/BASIC) teacher secondary and professor University of New Mexico, USA – Gallup, with an engineering background. Degree University of Utah, Salt Lake City, Utah, Dec 1972 in mining engineering, where the Family History Library FHL is pre to https://www.familysearch.org/. (correction; BS in mining engineering U of UT Dec 1979, BS in economics U of Wyoming Aug 1972, 9/19/2020) Also have been doing genealogy, my families history for awhile previous to the building of the Family History Library FHL; https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Genealogicall-Library-Mark-S.-Elliott-Dec-1972.jpg Church Office Building 50 E. North Temple Street (1972–1985) then Family History Library 35 N. West Temple Street (1985–Present) Salt Lake City, Utah. Dad, Loren Spencer Elliott after thirty years retired as an engineer. “walk cheerfully over the world, answering that of God in everyone”, George Fox (Quaker), which in Philadelphia, a town founded by Wm Penn and Quakers influenced the framers of the US Constitution, to put ‘freedom of speech and religion’ into it. Resent admins kicking me out of feeds. There is this Polish guy which played with computers and jokes; A Steve Woźniak (Stefana Woźniaka) https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Wo%C5%BAniak At first he did not have a PC so he engineered one. https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Wo%C5%BAniak,1890:Wozniak Name origins may be given it’s Polish distribution pattern; ‘woź niaka’ occupational means ‘janitor’.

Monika Wrzesinska

22 hours ago

Wozniak does not have occupational means “janitor” – if derived from verb – wozic- – driver, carrier; if derived from occupation – usher

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Marc Olivier

Yesterday at 3:09pm

Hello, here is the new distribution map of MtDNA H2a1 (septembre 2020). Archaeogenetics. It is important to better understand the history of Poland. https://www.academia.edu/44110081/MtDNA_H2A1_DISTRIBUTIONS_MAP_ANCIENTS_AND_MODERN_CARRIERS

Sergey Sadowski has a question!

Yesterday at 10:57am

“Dear administrators! Why kit B592117 is ungrouped? ”

László Varsányi

September 17 @ 2:10am

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/703405v1.full I recommend it to everyone. One of the best summaries I’ve ever read. A remarkable study. Interesting research material, for example, mentions buried individuals who were buried 300-400 km apart. Buried siblings have also been identified in England and Denmark, for example. Good source material on population flow. “In fact, we found many Viking Age individuals with high levels of foreign ancestry, both within and outside Scandinavia, suggesting ongoing gene flow with different peoples across Europe. Indeed, it appears that some foreign peoples contributed more genetic ancestry to Scandinavia during this period than the Vikings contributed to them which could partially be due to smaller effective population size of the VA Scandinavians…”

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Mark Elliott

September 14 @ 10:02am

Grandma, Ilah Spencer Elliott, took photo with Kodak Brownie (Barna-ie) Kodak box camera (remember those), of dad Loren, his twin Lois, and younger brother Jack. It had a large negative, with lighting behind it photographed it with smart camera, then used https://www.irfanview.com/ freeware on computers at Family History Library in Salt Lake City, Utah. Use the image negative feature to digitize to a positive, and inserted text to add names. Dad and twin Lois born in 1923.

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Mark Elliott

September 11 @ 12:38pm

Am stuck which being called and elkwald; elk of the forest. Which really in America means moose of the woods, and is based first on the name elk (moose). In Czech; Los, Polish; Łoś, English Elks and German; Elke, in America Moose. It seem Poland likes the surname the best. https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/%C5%81o%C5%9B https://www.kdejsme.cz/prijmeni/Los/hustota/ https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Elke https://named.publicprofiler.org/ Guess man and beast (wolf/wilk) like eating elk (moose), and migrate with it.

Mark Elliott

September 11 @ 12:19pm

One of the earliest base surnames are based on wildlife. The most popular of which is the Czech; Vik, Polish; Wilk, and German Wolf. Hunted for the raising of livestock, sheep and cattle in America, and the UK. Though because of urbanization the wolf, or lobo was re-introduced in America, and the Navajo grandma’s have to shoot them to protect their sheep. Haven’t reintroduced them in Scotland known for their wool tartans. One can see the migration of the Polish surname Wilk becoming the German-English surname Wolf. Since the Y-DNA travels in Anglon-Society, it seems with the Wilk-Wolf surname the Anglo-Saxon, inclusive of my R-U106 travels with this name. https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Wilk https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Wolf,1890:Wilk https://www.kdejsme.cz/prijmeni/Vlk/hustota/ https://named.publicprofiler.org/

Mark Elliott

September 11 @ 10:40am

https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Warych https://www.google.com/maps/place/Zdunek,+Poland/@52.2326073,19.2700577,6.27z/

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Stanley Waryck

May 13 @ 10:21pm

Hi, In another group who no longer has a activity feed I am listed as Z280+ Z92+ cts456+ YP350+ (rule out y42738, y42831, ft196931), my question are there test for those rule out SNPS or is Y700 the only answer at this time?

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Stanley Waryck

September 1 @ 7:58pm

Eugeniusz Wysomlek I took a Y37 originally and then added a Z280 SNP pack.

David Dzivi

September 4 @ 8:51pm

Stanley, one could tap-dance around the question of “what is my terminal SNP” forever unless BigY is completed. Even then as new people test, new subclades are discovered and your placement on the haplotree could change reflecting those new discoveries. Save up for a holiday offering later this year.

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Mark Elliott

September 5 @ 2:16pm

Stanley, sounds Polish like Elliott, may consider; https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Wadrzyk https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Wawrzyk https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Wawryk https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Stanley Family is from Cracow; https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Elliott

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Stanley Waryck

September 8 @ 7:33pm

@Mark Elliot true Stanley seems Polish, family history says that the surname should be spelled Warych and there about a thousand with such surname in Poland. Found some evidence that my ggrandfather came from Zdunek in Masovia. Still trying to determine if that is true, its hard finding information as it appears many of the records from this area were destroyed between the partitions and two world wars.

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Mark Elliott

September 7 @ 7:25pm

T. Steven Monkevich, is this the one you had reference to? “Ok, was Maria not Stephanie born 1895 in Zahoczewie Nowosiolka Poland. Of course the record perhaps reads Bernasiewicz so that may be an issue as well. ” Need all the help I can get. Monkevich, am finding likely is a Belarus name. (Russia, US, then Ukraine). https://forebears.io/surnames/monkevich The ‘Barna’ (Brown) name of Poland, is Hungarian in origins.

T. Steven Monkevich

September 8 @ 5:35am

OK 1896. My mom’s mother was born a Barnasevitch. Was just wondering what you have seen in your studies regarding similar Barna- names in lower Poland and surrounding.

T. Steven Monkevich

September 8 @ 5:50am

Ok, this is the area they generally came from and they meaning Barnasevitch identified as being “Ukrainian”. Our Monkevich came from Lithuania. I have most of those noble records stored. That’s the only record I could find above with similar names, the other dates are not available for the Nowosiolka area. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nowosi%C3%B3%C5%82ki,_Podkarpackie_Voivodeship

Mark Elliott

September 8 @ 8:31am

Have some Hungarian, Barna DNA. ‘Barna’, is ‘Brown’ in Hungarian, and ‘Braun’, in German. Where is that Hungarian, László Varsányi, when you need him? So, Barnasevitch, could reference the color ‘brown’-‘sevitch’. Question is what does ‘sevitch’ mean. Family from Galicia-Spis- Kraków, region, now Poland- some Slovakia. East part Ukraine, west part Poland. Likely if Ukrainian-Polish, of Galicia http://www.jewish-guide.pl/galicia/history-of-galicia

Mark Elliott

September 4 @ 7:31pm

Citation Information Transcript Stephanus born on 29 May 1857 House #42, Birth of Stephanus Barna, son of Michael Barna, son of Thomas Barna, rusticus and Anna Kowalak, rusticus in Czyrcz; and Maria Chomiak, daughter of Elias Chomiak, rusticus from Milik, and Theodosia Pytel from Szczawnik, on 29 May 1857, with baptism on 30 May 1857. Detail Book of Births (1784-1889), Leluchów 1857 (May) #858c Source Information Title St. Joseph’s Church Archives – Muszyna, Poland, Liber Copulatorium (1785-1888); Natorum (1784-1889); et Mortuorium (1784-1875), graeco-catholic unit, Leluchoviensium, T.I Repository Information Detail Source Citation for St. Joseph’s Church Archives – Muszyna, Poland, Liber Copulatorium (1785-1888); Natorum (1784-1889); et Mortuorium (1784-1875), graeco-catholic unit, Leluchoviensium, T.I Other information son of Thomas Barna, rusticus and Anna Kowalak, rusticus in Czyrcz; and Maria Chomiak, daughter of Elias Chomiak, rusticus from Milik, and Theodosia Pytel from Szczawnik, on 29 May 1857, with baptism on 30 May 1857 provided by Sven Pavlik 5th–8th Cousin Shared DNA: 11 cM across 1 segment

Mark Elliott

September 5 @ 3:37pm

“I downloaded every page of the church records of leluchow, and read through every one the best I could, then clipped the images for the people i found on my tree and put them there.. it was tedious!” Svea Pavik link; https://www.szukajwarchiwach.pl

T. Steven Monkevich

September 7 @ 9:26am

Mark I’m looking for a group of records with similar surname Barnasiewicz or similar from area Nowosiolka Poland. My Great Grandfather was John Barnasiewicz. His Father was always listed as Michael or Thomas on Church documents but I have yet to find his actual birth record as those records from the Greek Catholic Church in that area are missing. That land area is pretty close I believe to where you are searching ? I found the birth of one daughter named Stephanie that I can remember of course that was a long time ago. I’ll see if I can find it in my mess. Maybe there is a link to your search but maybe not. He (John) ended up in Beaver Brooke Pennsylvania working in the coal mines. I think he was born in 1882 in Nowosiolka and served in the Austrian Army before coming to the U.S. I’ve unfortunately forgotten how I originally found those records and will have to go backwards in order to remember the general search parameters.

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T. Steven Monkevich

September 7 @ 9:48am

Ok, was Maria not Stephanie born 1895 in Zahoczewie Nowosiolka Poland. Of course the record perhaps reads Bernasiewicz so that may be an issue as well. https://szukajwarchiwach.pl/60/531/0/-/1/str/1/1/15#tabSkany (Image #12)

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Mark Elliott

September 6 @ 2:13pm

Ray Kuta R-FT41761 Look as though you are from my neck of the woods. About 65km (40miles) west of Kraków, and NNE of Nowy Sacz. Looks like Galicia, Poland where great granddad Stephan Barna was born. Looks like that is where in Poland the Kuta are from; https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Kuta https://forebears.io/surnames?q=Kuta https://www.google.com/maps/place/33-100+Tarnow,+Poland/@50.0261227,20.906866,12z/ R1a-Y1392 and subclades – familytreedna.com 177693, Mateusz Janik, b.1655, Poland, R-Y35240, 13, 25, 16, 10, 11-14, 12, 12 … MI49895, Lukyan Veklich, 1903 – 1943, Unknown Origin, R-FT41810, 13, 25 .. Janik likely Polish. https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Janik Veklich likely Ukrainian. https://forebears.io/surnames/veklich Above migration shows likely from Ukraine. Looks like they got caught in the eastern Ukrainian half of Galicia-Austria of the old Hungarian Empire. A major brick wall am trying to cross. All your near downstream SNP seem to be just across the the Polish border in Ukraine. Like to get some response from over there. A past colleague from Ukraine, but they do not seem to do any speaking these days, what I call a brick wall which needs crossing.

Maciej Hryniewicz

September 5 @ 9:39am

Hi My name is Maciej Hryniewicz I have DNA R-1a BY27373 Is there anyone who has the same DNA?

Mark Elliott

September 5 @ 11:13am

370784 Anthony Ritter 1730-1789 R-BY27373 https://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1a-L1280Project?iframe=ycolorized 444803 Mixa Jiri Mixa (Miksa) 1590-1640 Sousedovice, Cz R-BY27373 https://www.familytreedna.com/public/mayflowersociety?iframe=ycolorized https://www.mycuz.us/wiki/Slavic+DNA Kosak R1a-BY33421 (BigY) R1a-BY27373 (yFull) Anton Košak, b1830 Gabrovka, Zagradec, Ivančna Gorica, Slovenia Haplo R1a BY33421 Kosak yFull Apr2018 Feb2018 Z280 -> CTS1211 -> Y35 -> CTS3402 -> Y2613 -> Y2609 -> Y2608 -> BY27373 yFull has not added new terminal BY33421 below branch BY27373 that FTDNA has. yFull entry here here from VCF file submission before BAM available and does not depict BY27373 that the current tree does. Anthony Ritter 1730-1789 Unknown Origin R-BY27373 https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/public/volga-germans/default.aspx?section=yresults https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Ritter https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Ritter https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Hryniewicz https://forebears.io/surnames/hryniewicz https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Ko%C5%82ak https://forebears.io/surnames/Ko%C5%82ak https://www.kdejsme.cz/prijmeni/Mixa/hustota/ https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Mixa https://www.kdejsme.cz/prijmeni/Miksa/hustota/ https://www.kdejsme.cz/prijmeni/Ritter/hustota/ https://s.meyersgaz.org/search?search=Ritter

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Mark Elliott

September 6 @ 8:44am

https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Maciej

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Maciej Hryniewicz

September 6 @ 1:22pm

Thank very much

Ray Kuta

September 6 @ 12:58pm

My yDNA Haplogroup was updated in May to R-FT41761. Besides myself, their is one more person who took the Big-Y and both of us show ancestry in Poland. Was hoping that the other person was on this project. The new SNP age is approximately 250 to 800 yrs old. SNP Tracker shows SNP location in Southeast Poland and my father’s side came from Tarnow, Poland.

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September 6 @ 12:56pm

Mark Elliott

September 6 @ 12:22pm

Wolf (ancestor to dog) migration, besides man they eat elk (moose). https://g8fip1kplyr33r3krz5b97d1-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/German-wolves.gif Wolf is a popular surname; https://forebears.io/surnames/wolf Especially in Germany; https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Wolf And Wolf is used in Poland https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Wolf wolf is Wilk in Polish https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Wilk (note numbers near Krakow) Lets here it for the elk (moose) in Polish Łoś https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/%C5%81o%C5%9B (note numbers near Krakow) Showing migratory evolution of the surname Wilk to Wilken https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Wilk,1890:Wilken In UK Wiken becomes Wilkenson. Some people like the Ewald/Elwald likely like the wolf and some nations of the American Indian hunting buffalo, likely migrated with the food they ate. https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/wild-elks-return-to-germany-a-853581.html https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/wild-elks-return-to-germany-a-853581.html My ancestors may have migrated into the Berlin region from Poland the last time the elk (moose) were in the region, because the likely hunted the elk (moose). The chased down cows on the Scottish-English borders, not likely the wild ones near Chillingham, those like the ones from Angus Scotland would be likely to difficult to heard. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Chillingham,+Alnwick+NE66+5NP,+UK/

Mark Elliott

September 5 @ 12:32pm

https://named.publicprofiler.org/ https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Laren Elizabeth Mclaren August 31 @ 4:48pm “Dude, are you ok? This is very confusing…” Mac ‘son of’, MacLaren, the son of a Polish name Laren. Poland has a lot of Catholic, my Barna line was Greek Catholic, the English; ‘Brown’, is the German; ‘Braun’, is the Hungarian; ‘Barna’. Have auto-somal DNA in Hungaria also. The surname ‘Barna’ was likely adopted when Galicia, now of southeast Poland, and western Ukraine of the Austria-Hungarian nation in the Hungarian Empire of Galicia. The name ‘Mclaren/McLaren is an evolved names, and show not Gaelic origins like Donald Trump’s ‘red-haired’ mother a MacLeod, which was also Scottish Gaelic speaking. Am neither Scotish or English, my many great a Dand (Andrew) Ellot (Elliott) was banished from both kingdoms in 1607. Though I voted McGovern in 1972, the family of border reivers, which lived on the Scottish side of the borders of the Scottish Middle Marches, where we were self-governing where the Armstrong, Nixon, Elliott, and Crozier. The first to step on the moon was an Armstrong, and over a half century ago he spoke from the moon to a Nixon, about peace on the earth. Am of this family but of County Fermanagh where the ‘Mac-‘ Catholic, became ‘Mc-‘ Presbyterian, and came from the cities of (London)Derry, and Belfast, and made a battlefield called ‘The Troubles’ out of a border in Ireland. The border people exiled to Ireland, married the Irish, fought as Hamiltonian Anglican Royalists on the side of the Irish, and as Cromwellian POW ‘slaves’, worked the Plantation, and married into the black population which came from Africa as a replacement. Elliott soldiered the Hermitage Castle, and supported French Catholic Mary Queen of Scots. The Hermitage Castle was the estate of her third husband Boswell. Her son was stolen from her by the Presbyterian Scots, then she was beheaded by Protestant, Queen Elizabeth I (Elizabeth II is now queen). These families of farm people migrated to Germany which no longer has a border, https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3547735?dpr=2&fit=max&h=408&w=590 when they can be safe from the Mc-/Mac- of the nearby cities bringing their battlefield to the County Fermanagh border the EU/Brexit border which now made they say because of Polish migrants in to England. The Poles have been migrating to England since the Anglo-Saxons. Not Scots or English since my mtDNA, Y-DNA, and auto-somal DNA seems to be in Poland. I’m Polish. https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1996:Maguire,1996:Johnston,1996:Armstrong,1996:McManus,1996:Elliott Gorrenberry Mag-Uidhir McGruire Maguire Fermanagh Ulster… https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/3259687?dpr=2&fit=max&h=521&w=590 Note; the MacManus (Catholic Latin ‘manus’; means ‘hands’) of Dublin became McManus of County Fermanagh likely Anglican Hamiltonian Royalists like my Ellot of Tullykelter, County Fermanagh, Ulster, Plantation; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullykelter_Castle Elizabeth Mclaren, Though the DNA Guide Team does not carry the Y-DNA, they are excellent on the types of auto-somal DNA, and make it quite understandable. https://www.rootstech.org/video/you-can-do-dna?lang=eng Though I taught special ed students, math, also taught at Window Rock High School, Fort Defiance, on the Arizona side of the New Mexico, Arizona border, in year 2000, most the class where young ladies, but they where not from an Anglo Y-DNA oriented society, their Navajo Clan-ships went mtDNA. Can unknowingly to some be quite confusing especially to Anglo-ladies supporting the Y-DNA lineage, and the ‘status quo’ through falsified genealogy, and genetics, which is the science of Hitler’s ‘superior race’.

Mark Elliott

September 4 @ 10:16pm

click right to enlarge in new tab Kuklinski (Poland) https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Kukli%C5%84ski Rowedder (Germany) https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Rowedder

Mark Elliott

September 4 @ 3:53pm

https://gorrenberry.com/barton-dna-polish-origins/

Mark Elliott

August 30 @ 9:31am

Elizabeth Mclaren

August 31 @ 4:48pm

Dude, are you ok? This is very confusing…

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Mark Elliott

August 31 @ 10:43am

click right to receive enlarged image in new tab Though traveling back in time from the Four Corners where the states of Arizona, Colorado, Utah, and New Mexico (New Mexico, USA would not allow Texas, ‘a whole other country’ to incorporate them) come together in four corners the Colorado corner is Ute, the others Navajo, to southern Poland. There has most likely been what folks call a mutation of the R-U106. S18632 (U106>Z2265>BY30097>S18632) Mark Stephen Elliott Kit No. 101829 S12025 (U106>Z2265>BY30097>S12025) Those elk (moose) traveling from Poland towards to Berlin ‘Ich bin ein Berliner’, figure for them to go back to the same locality there must be those with ‘Y’ and without ‘Y’, for the bull (headed one) and the cow to produce a calf.

David Dzivi

August 31 @ 2:21pm

What Is it you’re trying to convey? Your posts have been increasingly difficult to comprehend.

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Mark Elliott

August 30 @ 12:42pm

Eugeniusz Wysmołek, Będąc prawdopodobnie z północy Krakowa, naprawdę doceniam twoją odpowiedź. https://forebears.io/surnames/wysmo%C5%82ek https://forebears.io/surnames/(tu nazwisko) https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Wysmo%C5%82ek https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/(tu nazwisko) Mógłbym też mieć w sobie trochę polskiego mtDNA. https://elwald.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Haplogroup-H27a-Nicolaus-Copernicus.jpg Proszę nie mów nikomu. Przykład; https://forebears.io/surnames/Martyka https://nazwiska-polskie.pl/Martyka

Mark Elliott

August 24 @ 9:31am

An example of the use of auto-somal along with documentation DNA.

Mark Elliott

August 28 @ 8:10pm

Though it seems my line of Barna, mom’s maiden name is Polish the name Barna is Hungarian for Brown, and I like brown hats.

Mark Elliott

August 28 @ 7:54pm

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Stanislaw Plewako

August 25 @ 6:37am

I am noticed that some PLE14, persons there are not regrouped under PLE07, especially #B259139, #B300524, #N13230. See https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-PLE07/ and https://www.familytreedna.com/public/y-dna-haplotree/I;name=I-PLE07

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Mark Elliott

August 28 @ 3:14pm

It should be noted, in the software sometimes it is better to be grouped in an upstream SNP these PLE14 should then be able to re cluster themselves when color is utilized within their own grouping.

Mark Elliott

August 28 @ 3:11pm

Was displayed is for his wife Maria. Mechanics. How can the husband by full cousins and the wife half cousins? Are not the children the product of both their mother and father? In the mechanics of doing genealogy, which one is to I go by to find family? Compared another half relation, and guess Ancestry is taking out the (half). So as the genetics is concerned the (half) relation is taken to be the correct one. Łącko, Poland is a place name. https://www.google.com/maps/place/33-390+%C5%81%C4%85cko,+Poland/@49.5240611,20.2959742,10.25z/

Mark Elliott

August 24 @ 12:48pm

https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Ewald click right to enlarge in new tab. With Rb-U106 know that the Ra may be wondering to I belong in group. Well I had this crazy idea, that many years in the past my ancestors along with the wolf ate elk (moose), and were known as elk of the forest. Where the elk (moose) and wolf are returning felt that is where my Y-DNA came from. Later on we instead of elk (moose) we chased down cows in the borderlands between Scotland and England. The elk (moose) are entering Germany from Poland; https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/wild-elks-return-to-germany-a-853581.html Figured there are bull and cow elk (moose) for reproducing, so figured if I trace my R-U106 back in time would likely end up in the region where mom’s dad a Barna came from. This is on the Polish-Slovakian border basically where Galicia of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire once was. Surname distribution which could be a Polish-Slovakian (Loš) name for elk (moose) seems to be from the region. https://forebears.io/surnames/lo%C5%A1 Maybe family relations base on the irrational term of ‘love’ may have some rationality.

Mark Elliott

August 24 @ 9:30am

An example of the use of auto-somal along with documentation DNA.

Jordi Mestres

August 24 @ 9:09am

Dear All, just in case the person in question sees this post in this group, I’m still looking for the man from Poland whose Y-DNA belongs to haplogroup R1a-KMS45, a branch down from Z2123>Y934>Y7094>Y5992. Thanks!

Mark Elliott

August 24 @ 12:46am

An example of the use of auto-somal along with documentation DNA. Record of birth in Poland (Galicia, Austrian-Hungarian) on 29 May 1857, of the birth of great grandfather English; Stephan, Polish; Stefan, and Greek Catholic Latin Stephanus Barna, which passes his name Stephen to son Stephan Peter Barna, of Boonton, Morris County, New Jersey, which passes it to me for my middle name making it, Mark Stephen Elliott.

Mark Elliott

August 23 @ 9:59pm

The auto-somal, and my Y-DNA seems to be of the border region between Poland, and Slovakia. Sort of like the Elliot having been of the border region between Scotland and England. N59802 George Ferleyko (Yurko Ferleijko), 1867-1946 Ukraine R-FGC35805 There was a Galicia, Austria, of the Hungarian empire in the nineteenth century, which is now in southeast Poland, and western Ukraine. When the nation split may be that is when the R-FGC35805 family were split by a border.

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Mark Elliott

August 23 @ 8:43pm

click right to enlarge in new tab. The genealogy is of Anna (Barna) Kromka in 1965 about three years before she died, she was my grandfather’s Peter Stephen Barna of Kežmarok, Slovakia, sister. Would like to know how to obtain this resource in digital image; There is some question on date of birth. Transcript Stephanus (Stephen) Barna b. 29 May 1857 Leluchów, Malopolskie, Poland House #42, Birth of Stephanus Barna, son of Michael Barna, son of Thomas Barna, rusticus and Anna Kowalak, rusticus in Czyrcz; and Maria Chomiak, daughter of Elias Chomiak, rusticus from Milik, and Theodosia Pytel from Szczawnik, on 29 May 1857, with baptism on 30 May 1857. Translation; House # 42, Birth of Stephanus Barna, son of Michael Barna, son of Thomas Barna, rural, and Anna Kowalak, in rural Czyrcz; and Maria Chomiak, daughter of Elias Chomiak, from rural Milik, and Theodosia Pytel from Szczawnik, on May 29, 1857, with baptism on May 30, 1857. Leluchów, Malopolskie, Poland is just on the border but they moved to Slovakia, and came to the US from there.

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