Armstrong Fairbairn I-M253 Y-DNA

Lowell,

After answering Rich Rucker question, am probably kicked way out of the FTDNA Armstrong project. Those Armstrong DNA guys likely do not want anything to do with me. Hopefully Fiona will forward.

Both the Armstrong and Elwald would use the Ninian name as a forename, and the pope came back on St Ninian day. There is even a St Ninian tartan which looks something like your Armstrong tartan. St Ninian, converted those Pictish Armstrong to Christianity. Do not know how well it took though. Was told when someone knocked on a door in old Liddesdale and asked if there were in Christians in there, they were told we’s Armstrang and Ellot.

The Little from Liddel, and Armstrong, most from Armystrand (army strand), Armistrang (strong army) along Liddel Water, and that is where the Picts, St Ninian of Whitethorne diocese converted to Christianity, and into northeast Scottland, where the Declaration of Abroath was signed, north of the Scandianavian Scottish Saint Andrews.

Fairbairn, is of the Germanic Bear family, of Burn, Barnes, Borne, Bourne, and many others, but likely of Siward Fairbairn, and the Y-DNA feel he carried was I-M253, because today about three forths of the family of Fairbairn carries this DNA.

Three forths of the family of Gresham, and also for the family of Scarborough carries my first twelve markers.  Likely the quarter which does not match for over a period of eight centuries is because of adoption and Non Parental Events NPE.

Croyland near the Barony of Bourne (the bear). Lincolnshire, County, where it is felt the Danish Bourne family lived, near the family of Elwald of Croyland, with bones of St/King Elwald in Hexam Abbey. There was also a Viking named Ulf and The Horn of Ulf (meaning wolf), is stored in York, and I use it for a background to represent the geological horn of Gorrenberry.

Though it is felt that the Danish Bourne family with offspring, Fairbairn (fair skin Danish male), and Osborne (white shin Danish male), and other bear, Barnes, Burn, and etc. the Fairbairn are the family which is important to the Armstrong because they went north. The Barony of the Bourne, besides lands near the Elwald of Croyland, included land of Gresham near the Elwald of Bec, and Oulton in Norfolk, where my Y-DNA arrived as Anglo-Danes, and N&S Cave-Cottingham, where a William Elwald settled in the region of the Estutville-Wake estates. The land also owned by the Estuteville-Wake family of the land of Nicolas Stuteville Forrest, and The Mote/Moat, where Liddel Strength Castle was built and where latter the Graham family built a peel tower. They also had peels at Kirkandrews but after the church (kirk) of St Andrews of St Ninian’s Whitethorne diocese was abandoned the one which in 1423 a John Elwald which once rector in 1418 St. Andrews University, the first College of Scotland. Also Grahams had a peel at Netherbye (under by), a companion to Canonbye (canopy/upper/over by), which with no peel, likely unlike the peels of the Graham on the English side, Canonbye was considered on the Scottish side.

Clan Fairbairn though today about tenth the numbers of the Armstrong, you will find if you Google “Clan Fairbairn” and go to images one would see the Fairbairn, likely more of Siward Fairbairn DNA seems to support my ideas strongly.

Mark Elliott 5/29/2016

Rich Rucker, Clan Armstrong DNA, Question

I-M253 Distribution;

300px-HG_I1_europa

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/armstrong?iframe=yresults

Armstrong FTDNA I-M253;

(Armstrong, many of Alexandir Armystrang; and army strand of the Liddel Water)

FTDNA Armstrong I-M253

Armstrong GBname distribution 1881;

Armstrong GBname distribution 1881

Armstrong GBname statistics;

Armstrong GBname statistics

Little-Liddell

(Little-Liddel, place name of the Liddel Water)

Little of I-M253 FTDNA

Little GBnames 1881 distribution

Little GBname statistics;

Little surname statistics

Little of I-M253 FTDNA

little-i-m253

Fairbairn of I-M253 FTDNA

Fairbairn GBname distribution 1881;

(Fairbairn; fair bear; likely offspring Dane with fair skin called Bear)

Fairbairn GBname distribution 1881

Fairbairn GBname statistics;

Fairbairn GBname statistics

 Osborn(e)

(Osborn(e) likely and offspring of a white skin Dane named Bear)

(shows I-M253 in Norfolk-Lincolnshire UK region)

Osborn Osborne I-M253 Y-DNA

Osborn FTDNA I-M253

Osborn/Osborne (Danes with white skin, sometimes referred to as a Polar Bear) is felt to mainly enter into Anglia then migrate towards the west-southwest. It is felt that part of the I-M253 migrated north with the people of the Fairbairn (Danes with fair skin, sometimes referred to as a Fairy Bear).

Barony of Bourne the Danish Bear

Osborn GBname statistics Osborn GBnames distribution 1881

Osborne GBname statisticsOsborne GBname distribution 1881

Mark S. Elliott   5/29/2016

Conclusion Given;

Chronicles of the Armstrongs;by ED James Lewis A. MD, 1902

With Fairbairn surname, with about 75% having I-M253, is indicative that the body I-M253 is likely from someone with the name Fairbairn. The surnames Armstrong, which in 1376 was Armystrand, meaning army strand along a bank likely the Scottish side of the Liddel Water in which Armstrong peels were located.

Surname Little is known to be highly related to the Armstrong. and like the name is derived also as much of the Armstrong surname from the Liddel Water.

A group called Fairbairn similar group naming like religious groups, but of Fairbairn family origin. Origin Fairbairn, had an  I-M253 Y-DNA, and likely of the same individual. People of the Fairbairn in high percent of I-M253 would take the Fairbairn surname, but smaller percent of Fairbairn among the Armstrong and Little surnames for obvious reason the surname is not Fairbairn.

Chronicles-of-Armstrong-shields-1

Chronicles of the Armstrongs;by ED James Lewis A. MD, 1902

 

Bear;

Proto-Germanic for Bear

Burns, Byrn, Byrne & Bentley (Bear I-253 DNA);

Byrne-Burns I-M253

Distributions;

Burns distribution 1881

Byrne GBname 1881 distribution

Byrnes distribution 1881

Bentley distribution 1881

Bear I-M253 family;

Burn of;

Burns, Bryne, Brynes, and Bentley; (some I-M253)

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Byrne?iframe=yresults

has off springs Osborn(e), there offspring of likely a single male with I-M253 Y-DNA, of the Fairbairn family pre-surname which settle along the Scot-English border. The people of the Fairbairn, along the Liddel Water became Little and Armstrong, and the ones one the east side of the border, not along the Liddel Water, became Fairbairn, as shown by the high percent of I-M253 Y-DNA. The none I-M253 is felt having to been done by Non-Parental Events NPE such as adoption.

MSE 6/27/2016

For the R-M269 NPE they could be in relation to the Irvine-Elliot and other surnames;

npe-dna

31. Manifestations of NPEs • Egressions from a genetic family (“e-NPEs”): same DNA, but different surname e.g. Irwin DNA, but Elliot surname (possibly an Elliot step-father) • Introgressions into a genetic family (“i-NPEs”): same surname, but different DNA e.g. Elliot DNA, but Irwin surname (possibly an Irwin step-father) “One project’s e-NPE is another project’s i-NPE”. 31
32. Examples of Irwin / Elliot e- NPEs 32 ………..Elliott ………..Elliott ………..Elliott ………..Elliott ………..Irving ………..Erwin ………..Elliott ………..Erwin ………..Nipper ………..Irvine ………..McDonald ………..Armstrong …………Irwin …………Snowdon
33. Examples of Elliot / Irwin i- NPEs 33 ………. Elliott …………Fairbairn …………Fairbairn …………Elliott …………Elliott …………Elliott …………Elliott …………Farms …………Fairbairn …………Fairbairn …………Fairbairn …………Fairbairn …………Fairbairn …………Fairbairn

MSE  12/14/2016

The Carrothers/Carruthers, of Debatable Lands and Fermanagh also carry I-M253

It should be noted that Karruthers in above are of Dumbfrieshire below.

Curruthers, and variants seem to have a dominate I-253 Y-DNA, and West Scottish Border distribution. Border Reiver group has a Scottish bias, but census concentration is of the Debatable Lands region http://named.publicprofiler.org/. It is felt that this I-M253, could be attributed to a single individual, where the non down slope Y-DNA can be attributive to NPE, non parental event. Would like to know if any cross matches with Fairbairn. http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/fairbairn/results FTDNA I1; “M253 subclade SNPs, DF29, CTS6364, L22, Z58, Z63, Z131” I-1suomi “L22 > CTS11603” Curruthers likely derived from Curuthers with a single “r”.

NIXON I-M253;

Fermanagh, Ulster, Ireland;

‘Sheep stealers from the north of England’: the Riding Clans in Ulster by Robert Bell

Fermanagh (muster), c. 1631, copied from MSS. 4770 in the British Museum. The list is set forth by baronies and the names of the … Armstrong (41) ; Biaty (Beatty, Bayty, Baetye, Baiteye) (36) ; Ellot (33) ; Graham (29) ; Little (25) ; Irwin (17) ; Nixon (10) …
Repositories and records – Page 649 Margaret Dickson Falley – 1962 –

RJ Hunter-Ulster c1630 muster

 

Tullykelter Castle

3/24/2017  MSE

 

 

 

 

Share
Posted in Uncategorized

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *

*